Communism

Guys, I need reasons why MARXIST communism wont work in the US.

My retard friend is ranting about the revolution, and i need valid reasons. Also post your own political ideologies

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Large Nigger and Spic population

Thats what she said lol

Because communism and socialism don't work anywhere, you fucking idiot.

It has been tried numerous times and failed every single one of those. Government cannot effectively direct an economy, it leads to inefficiencies and outright mistakes, and this cannot lead to prosperity. Furthermore, when government does this, it restricts individual freedoms and liberties. When communism/socialism fail, as the inevitably will, government must restrict more freedoms and direct more things, until eventually it collapses, once you run out of other people's money.

It is a shit idea and your friend is a fucking moron.

Read anything from the Austrian School of economics, or just have a quick look at REALITY.

Bad argument, no system can work with niggers and spics

Your friend is a complete moron who does not know shit about anything.

Also, you guys really think a cuck like him will be spared in a communist revolution? He'll be the first useful idiot to hang, get raped and get his property taken for the greater good.

Every business and person who could afford a plane ticket would leave. It would be biggest braindrain ever seen.

Communism rejects our inherently incentive-driven rewards system that keeps us going. Its equality of outcome provides no means of improving one's life except for corruption and working up the ranks in the Communist party. It is unfit for humans.

Ask him why he doesn't just move to a communist country. I hear Venezuela is lovely this time of year.

This is my fetish, btw.

Little Jamie The Cuck starts a communist revolution to empower trannies and stop fat shaming. Suddenly Tyrone "Che Que Vara!", a 300 pounds wild sudanese wonder comes to seize Jamie's means of production. First Jamie The Cuck calls him a comrade and rallies him with a hug to the cause of diversity and war against micro-aggressions and Nazi-Trumpers.

>my thoughts and prayers were always with the oppressed black community~~

Tyrone smiles ear to ear. He grabs the cuck by the throat and bashes him against a wall as Jamie moans and cries in pain as his white privilege drips down his pants. Tyrone steals Jamie bit by bit: first his iPhone, then his 200 dollars ecological clothes and finally Jamie's pride.

Tyrone pulls his ziper down and his large weapon of the revolution sprouts harder than a Battleship Oktuburskaya Revolutzi.

>the means of production are mine now

Says Tyrone as he impales Jamie The Cuck with his chode as tears of class warfare rain down his ears. Jamie's tranny friends watch envious of his privilege as Tyrone tears Jamie into half and divides him equally to his fellow proletarians to use.

The revolution never ends.

>reason
Try every other example. But then NeoMarxism isn't kindled by reason(s).

Also, didn't the actual workers in America vote Trump?

Does your friend really think the blue-collar working class likes cucks, trannies, vegans, gun control and other abominations?

No social cohesion, decades of anti-communist condition and uh yeah commies are gay

Many reasons but to make a long story short:

The founding principles of this nation are at odd with communism's founding principles. You can't have both coexisting.

>install communist government
>political elite becomes the new bourgeoisie

Soviet Union
China
Cambodia
Peru
Yugoslavia
Venezuela

6 reasons right there why communism is and always has been a stupid idea. If you're rich, you'll be pissed and take your business elsewhere. Niggers can't leech anymore, leading to more borrowing from capitalist neighbors, leading to irredeemable debt until you privatize businesses. Tell your friend to kill himself for being so stupid

The beginning of my red-pilling re feminism was when I told a liberal acquaintance I agreed with feminists and that stopping rape should be a priority. She answered that as man I was a latent rapist and that all male-female sex was rape.

It still took me years to really get that leftism is a reactional mental disorder with no end.

Your friends will learn on their own about communists. And at their own pace.

>not real marxism
OP is no better than an ideologue. If you need someone to give you arguments so you can argue with someone thats pretty fucking weak and he won't be able to counter the counter-arguments. What's he gonna say ?
>y-yes it was!
>No, it wasn't.
>o-okey ..
Yeah, don't think so. Go read a book about it OP.

if you can't argue against communism idk what even to tell you.

besides you should hang your friend.

This. It's literally the easiest thing to tear apart. Marx was a fucking retard.

Read the Gulag Archipelago

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>being a class cuck for the jewish bankers and ceos

>B-but user kun, those aren't examples of real™ communism

Won't work in the US cuz it doesn't work anywhere else.

Marxism a critique of capitalistic systems. Its a tool for learning like a Platonic dialogue is in teaching. It conquers through reason and thats what makes it dangerous.

You keep the capitalistic system intact but temper its excesses through democratic socialism

But it works! (In an imaginary system with infallible leaders who don't go totally corrupt without competition from the private sector)

>believing in classes divided by unprovable surplus "theft"
>not believing in classes of provable racial genetic differences
how many more years commies?

nonsense. you either believe in surplus theft or you believe in consent

>Guys, I need reasons why MARXIST communism wont work in the US.
He's subscribing to an antiquated understanding of Marxism. Revolution is doubtful. Tell him to read Adorno, Levinas, or some other neo-Marxist thinkers to understand what keeps class consciousness from ever being achieved and the indefinite duration of capitalism.

Volition.

If you need to force people to adopt a system by force it's usually because they can recognize something fundamentally wrong with it. Communism and socialism punish the most productive while rewarding the least productive. Everyone then works equally hard, because everyone know theirs no point doing more than the the bare minimum, if anyone finds a way to get ahead they're usually punished by the authorities for being a capitalist, so innovation is stifled as well. Because there's no incentive to do things well, quality drops, maintenance is shoddy, problems accumulate that no-one is encouraged to solve, these eventually send the society backwards in terms of tech and leads to starvation as the most productive farmers are punished.

Ask your friend this:
If communism is such an awesome system, why doesn't he just start producing things for free?
That's the end goal isn't it? Everyone works for the benefit of everyone else, he provides free goods and services and people reciprocate this out of the goodness of their hearts. That's the expectation of the future society, he should demonstrate how awesome it is by doing it himself.
If he refuses, ask why he's so selfish as to expect payment? Isn't that why he hates capitalists?

No communist will ever practice what the preach, they'll demand society changes before they do because at heart their driven by the same self interest that drives the free market.

Cute fiction novel you have there, it was written by universally discredited russophobe

“In her 1974 memoir, Sanya: My Life with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn”…, she wrote that she was ”perplexed” that the West had accepted ”The Gulag Archipelago” as ”the solemn, ultimate truth,” saying its significance had been ”overestimated and wrongly appraised.”

Pointing out that the book’s subtitle is ”An Experiment in Literary Investigation,” she said that her husband did not regard the work as ”historical research, or scientific research.” She contended that it was, rather, a collection of ”camp folklore,” containing ”raw material” which her husband was planning to use in his future productions.”
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This is scarily vivid.

Let's archive it
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>conquers through reason
Which is why Marxist every revolution has the intelligentsia shot and criminalizes dissent.

Trying to implement communism is going to piss off all of the people with guns in this country, and we'll put their little revolution 6' under. Plus, here's a copypasta that explains a bit more about why it won't work in general:

When you see a rich guy driving around in a Bugatti, do you know what that is? It's the exact same fucking thing as a peacock showing off its plumage. It is a statement of "See! I can gather more resources than that other guy, so you should breed with me!" Chicks go for the guys who can provide the extra resources, because that is ultimately beneficial for child rearing. This has been bred into us via millions of years of evolution. It's in our DNA. Commie faggots always ignore this aspect of biology because it's inconvenient for their ideology. There is no reason to excel when I can't make myself look better than the next guy and pull a hotter chick. Humans are still animals largely driven by the need to pass our genes on.

It's also why people don't like it when you come to take our shit, and you will have to take people's shit to institute communism. Come for mine, and I'll get real salty and start flinging lead. You'll have to form hierarchies to organize enough people to deal with myself and people like me. The only people who want communism are beta cucks who can't hack it otherwise, useful idiots, and power hungry monsters who want to take advantage of those useful idiots to form an authoritarian shithole state apparatus like all other commie shitholes have been.

These arguments have been heard many times, yet communists always persist in their goals. The unfortunate thing is that the communists are usually arguing and advocating for something that in their minds are entirely different and so these points about stealing from the rich or big government have no effect on their understanding of socialism, which is the worker ownership of the means of production.

Because the idea of private property rights is too deeply ingrained in American culture and society for a communist movement to succeed. 62.3% of Americans own their own homes, and won;t be willing to turn their homes over to the state.

OP look back to the origins. The Transcendentalist in Massachusetts who were some of the inspiration for Hagel and marx. They MA guys disagreed that there was an absolute need for a revolution. They abandoned socialist thoughts before it even took off.
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But the irony is the workers already do, the most productive workers rise to the top of the hierarchy.
As strange as it may sound, CEOs don't just bum around all day being rich fat asses, they have to manage the company and increase its profitability. This doesn't involve manual labor, but it does require intelligence, personal skills, an 80+ hour work week and the drive to be better than every other fucker in the business.
Most communists don't know what a productive worker looks like, they just assume everyone at the bottom is "the worker" and everyone else just sits above them and collects money.

economic calculation problem

>But the irony is the workers already do
This is manifestly wrong. Go to work on Monday and hold a vote among your fellow coworkers to fire your boss. We see then who owns the company.

>As strange as it may sound, CEOs don't just bum around all day being rich fat asses, they have to manage the company and increase its profitability. This doesn't involve manual labor, but it does require intelligence, personal skills, an 80+ hour work week and the drive to be better than every other fucker in the business.

Management is useful. No one has a problem with the idea of management in itself.

>Most communists don't know what a productive worker looks like, they just assume everyone at the bottom is "the worker" and everyone else just sits above them and collects money.


The unfortunate thing is that the communists are usually arguing and advocating for something that in their minds are entirely different

>>Management is useful. No one has a problem with the idea of management in itself.

Actually, another thing I thought. It would be pretty strange to think that the Leninists have a problem with management when their trademark idea is a vanguard class

Because it isn't bad enough yet for a revolution to occur. Communists spent the entire 19th and 20th centuries waiting for a revolution that never came, since the proletariat had a high standard of living. You should be rightly terrified of communism in a decade or two if real wages haven't increased and there isn't a basic universal income to offset the jobs destroyed by automation.

Revolution in the west, I meant

Too many niggers. Anything will work in a white ethno state.
Doesn't apply to late stage communism and the fact that the soviet union collapsed due to extra-economic issues is evidence that this problem ins't absolute. Meanwhile, The Czech Socialists, Hungary, and Yugoslavia were more or less thriving, eliminating poverty, unemployment, and the need for private property. Mises had some good points however worshiping him won't get anywhere. Use his work to make specific arguments, don't just hold it up like it's a cross.

Enter capitalism, the system that thrives on an unemployed class of unconscious morons to be prayed upon at will.

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I never said it was democratic, that'd be a retarded way of running a business.
The boss works, he is the worker and owns the means of production. If he's shit the business folds, if it's successful the workers get paid and the useful ones get promoted.
Don't like it? Quit and start your own business or find a new employer, you have the choice to do so, it's only a bad choice if your asshole of a boss is providing the best deal you can find.

>Enter socialism, the system that thrives on an unemployed class of unconscious morons to be preyed upon at will.

Fixed. Can't have a welfare state without a shit ton of unemployment.

Reminder: You are a 18 little cuck who can't even clean up your own room.
You think you figured out the entire economy, the most complex structure in mankind, the thing that keeps human civilization afloat; except you barely have competence to control your own room.

You entire perception of reality is broken, possibly beyond repair, meaning the rest of your life will be more painful thanks to the destructive dogmatic religion you adopted in your teenage years. You are more likely to become a drug addict, or a tranny, or a porn addict, a nobody.