Why is it that alcohol essentially gets a free pass compared to other drugs? Possession is enough to put you in jail for certain drugs yet as long as you don't drive drunk we're completely fine with alcohol. At least 10% of Americans are addicted to alcohol yet people don't really care.
Alcohol is extremely similar to benzodiazepines as it's a GABA-alpha agonist, yet ethanol is OTC while benzos and barbiturates are schedule III or I. This is similar enough to the point that you will die during withdrawal if you are dependent enough on Alcohol or benzodiazepines due to seizure. If the effects are so similar, why don't they share similar legality?
Honestly I don't care whether alcohol is legal or illegal anymore, just that we have some standard for what recreational drugs are OTC and we are consistent with it. There are too many arguments for drug legalizing that start with "But alcohol..." and the counters to that are weak. Either start prohibition again or legalize benzos.
What is a good standard for deciding what recreational drugs are legal or not?
Because it's ingrained in human history. We literally have gene mutations and shit that adapt to booze lol.
Landon Roberts
It is easy cashcow for governments.
James Jones
I can see that as we metabolize ethanol into acetaldehyde, though that causes hangovers. I've tried another alcohol where that doesn't happen (2M2B), but the effects last magnitudes longer than ethanol. Either way how is legalizing alcohol consistent with our drug laws today?
We didn't have a real drug law until the 60s (before that drugs required an amendment to regulate). Why is it that the DEA can control any chemical it wants right now, yet federal drug laws required amendments back then?
What i dont understand is why alcohol is regulated differebt from other foodstuffs. Other stuff has to have a list of ingredients and how much sugar and calories and stuff is in it but so why doesn't booze?
Camden Gonzalez
Holy shit this. I thought it'd be different in America but I'm pretty sure they aren't legally required to tell you the ABV. I think total volume is still required to print but I'd love to know why alcohol is treated even more leniently that foodstuffs (and even legal supplements).
Levi Carter
alcohol makes you stupid and easier to control and the government knows humans are need to get off legally
Jonathan Cook
Its not a drug, its a drink
William Turner
While Ethanol makes you complacent, it can make you violent and are a huge contributer to traffic accidents. If all about making you complacent then why not legalize weed?
Benjamin Mitchell
Alcohol is harmless in moderation. Weed can cause schizophrenia, even in moderation.
Dylan Butler
>wanting the jews to ruin weed too
Aiden Peterson
weed expands your mind and gets you thinking things sheep ain't outta be thinking
Ayden Gutierrez
Not an argument. Psychedelics are far more ingrained in human history, yet remain schedule I drugs, which is worse thqn cocaine or meth.
Carter Thomas
first of all > DUDE WEED LAMAO
in cultures that used Psychadelics, its use was restricted to a priestly class and for religious ceremony-- not a recreational drug.
Also we're talking here about WESTERN (i.e. non nigger) civilization. The Greatest Civilization. And in the West, only Alcohol is socially acceptable. It also has large detrimental effects which discourage its constant use.
Do your hippie jewing somewhere else
Brody Gray
I've never heard anyone able to make a decent argument why alcohol should be legal and marijuana illegal.
I think you can maybe argue that they should both be illegal, or even that weed should be legal and alcohol illegal, but the current laws are asinine.
Christian Adams
Cocaine is schedule I. Meth and Amphetamine are still schedule II and are prescribed to over 10% of boys. They're a performance enhancer we give to those who are underperforming and those who rise who rise among the crust find a way to get it.
>in cultures that used Psychadelics, its use was restricted to a priestly class and for religious ceremony-- not a recreational drug. In Christianity alcohol was the same thing (drinking the blood of Christ). So we can still keep alcohol legal if it is used in religious practices.
Eli Myers
You're a close minded idiot. And you have no idea what you are talking about. They weren't restricted, they were used for a purpose.
And the modern, globalist Jews deciding they are going to use America to police the globe and create a permanent underclass of people evenlower than welfare parasites is not the same as drugs not being a part of or culture. I sure have heard average people joke about needing Valium or Xanax or Prosac or Vicodin for the last 30 years. You are a fucking moron.
Sears used to market heroin to housewives as a better alternative to alcohol for their husbands, and it isn't hard to see why. Drunks are some of the worst, most annoying people on the planet. I've never heard a girl say,"My dad would take heroin and then rape me," but I sure have heard that and worse from alcohol.
Jace Diaz
But Cocaine is also used pharmaceutically.
Elijah Gray
Yes, I know it's used as a local anesthesia. Is that US only, because other countries give it a higher schedule? Mostly Nitrous Oxide is used or a small prescription of opiods.
Samuel Butler
I really don't know. I've only been a drug addict here. But it seems completely unnecessary.
Colton Brown
Because after the Second Opium War in China, the illegal opium trade was ended by us Anglos, and the massive profits that came from that trade vanished, [and China began to get some control over opium use after the illegal trade was ended]....sixty years later drug prohibition was reintroduced into first the USA, then made a condition for all nations signing the Versailles treaty in 1919 & turned into a truly global system by the UN in the 1960's.
Drug prohibition has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting people or public health, and everything to do with shadowy elites having access to an unlimited revenue stream without any oversight. It is the most corrupt racket in existence in the world today, that makes drug use far more appealing as forbidden fruit, far more dangerous through zero quality control & by replacing relatively less harmful drugs like coca leaf and opium with crack and heroin, and is literally a generator of crime and addiction.
The only people benefiting from drug prohibition are corrupt cops, the privatised prison industry and organised crime. It's a total racket from top to bottom. >One guess who the big players in the China opium game were.
Matthew Long
From what I've heard, it's likely been cracked down upon like desoxyn or oxycontin.
We wouldn't need doctors to watch out for drug seekers if drugs were legal. Doctors could go on prescribing patients with what they deemed necessary. A huge problem is that we see doctors as gatekeepers to the treatment that we deem necessary rather than expert consultants to our health.
Jordan Walker
Meth is the big drug right now because everyone's too busy trying to curb the pill popping
Cameron Evans
AFAIK, it is only used in house as a local.
Doctors sure don't watch out for all drug seekers though, do they? Only the ones who might be buying or selling on the street. "Ask your doctor about Abilify. Side effects may include, but are not limited to: More common: Difficulty with speaking drooling loss of balance control muscle trembling, jerking, or stiffness restlessness shuffling walk stiffness of the limbs twisting movements of the body uncontrolled movements, especially of the face, neck, and back Less common: Blurred vision dizziness headache inability to move the eyes increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid nervousness pounding in the ears slow or fast heartbeat sticking out the tongue trouble with breathing or swallowing unusual facial expressions Rare Convulsions fast heartbeat high fever high or low blood pressure increased sweating lip smacking or puckering loss of bladder control muscle spasm or jerking of all extremities puffing of the cheeks rapid or worm-like movements of the tongue severe muscle stiffness sudden loss of consciousness tiredness uncontrolled chewing movements uncontrolled movements of the arms and legs unusually pale skin Incidence not known: Hives or welts, itching, or skin rash itching, puffiness, or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs redness of the skin tightness in the chest unusual tiredness or weakness"
Wow, doesn't that look safer than heroin? Heroin side effects: Constipation, hard stool, increased tolerance.
Michael Young
This is a big problem I have with prescription drugs being legal to advertise. Prescription drug advertisements give you a 101 class on how to drug seek. "Just tell your doctor about these symptoms and even ask him directly and he will prescribe you the product on screen". It only gives the impression that doctors are the gatekeepers for the products you want and pharmacists know the advertisements work.
You're supposed to go to your doctor, tell him your ailments, and he prescribes you something he's sure to work. Yet these advertisements show that you have as much power in negotiating what you get prescribed as your doctor does.
Chase Smith
yeah all those local mushroom pubs across europe
Dylan Murphy
Actually, that's not exactly correct. You are supposed to go to your PCP, tell him your symptoms, and for anything beyond the most basic physical ailments, he should send you to a specialist. GP's have NO business writing out scripts of psych drugs from asingle description of behavior, yet they do it all the time, especially to children (boys).
Aaron Ross
Some Muslim countries ban it. America tried to ban it once (read up on Prohibition Era) but it didn't work out for a slew of reasons.
Levi Cook
You're thinking wrong. Think more of the fundamental basis of spirituality and religion, and it is almost certain that they had a role in the development of many, until spirituality was stripped from religion in the middle ages and replaced with literalness and materialism.
Austin Clark
because it kills people on a daily basis. cant be bad
Nathan Gonzalez
We do exactly that here in Germany, especially for beer.
Andrew Powell
I know that, yet we do the same for other drugs. It seems like the only reason Alcohol isn't illegal is because we couldn't make it illegal. Also alcohol had a huge decrease in consumption once prohibition started, then rose during prohibition, then once prohibition ended there was a quick increase in usage until it reached pre-prohibition usage.
I think that shows that if you want to go full authoritarian, go after the user instead of ONLY the dealer if you want to decrease use. I guess it's our Christian values that we see users as merely being corrupted by dealers, rather than everyone involved having a role in the drug trade. Do more to decrease demand, rather than going after the supply and expecting the demand to decrease accordingly.
Luke Powell
Can we make any drug illegal? I have seen people with IQ's of 80 cook meth everyday for years. People will get what they want. I almost did a year for "attempted possession" as did my GF who has no record. We both work and otherwise don't leave our home. Would you feel safer with us in jail for a year? Ans really, it could have been 1-5.
Let me put it another way. If you could take every murderer and violent rapist and armed robber off the street, you would, right? Are you going to take everyone who uses or sells a drug off the street? Where in the fuck are you going to put them all? And all the teenagers and senior citizens?
Gavin Torres
Alcohol can be pretty regulated in some areas, just not in ways most people instantly think of. My town has lost the chance to get many big restaurants that were seeking to move in but we refused to give the proper licenses to serve booze. Hell, it was illegal for you to sell anything less than a 12 pack until last January. Not to mention our liquor and wine store is government run. You'd be surprised at the legal hoops companies jump through to sell booze. Grocery stores using a restraunt license and having a biergarten or restraunts next to hotels using a hospitality license.
Then there is the whole three tiered system that I have to deal with daily (I work at a beer store). Our store is tied to certain beer distributors who get the beer whole sale from breweries and sell it to us. Problem is, we don't get to choose our distributors, they are assigned, so if one of our assigned distributors is out of something we cannot get it, even if another distributor close by does have it. Can't get it from them. The distributor issue also makes it harder for smaller breweries to get their beer out there, part of the reason why AB InBev controls something like 90% of the market.
As for those asking why we don't treat it like food and other drugs, with labeling of ingredients and other info, that is handle by the FDA, whereas booze is handled by the ATF, who aare busy with shooting people and I don't know what else really.
Cooper Cooper
Any home brewers? Just brewed some using a kit. I'm hoping that after a few brews, I'll be able to develop my own recipe.
Kevin Gonzalez
Because politicians drink it too.
If 98% of politicians smoked weed or did LSD you can bet they'd be legal too.
Justin Long
I guess it goes by the Islamic saying, "if you cut off a few thieves' hands, then less will even attempt to steal". If we make it a felony to fail a drug test then everyone who has failed will have the same prospects as a felon at getting a job.
Though as a capitalist I side with the supply rather than the demand. The supply was only supplying the market with what the demand wanted, and drug users should only be exploited for all they're worth.
>As for those asking why we don't treat it like food and other drugs, with labeling of ingredients and other info, that is handle by the FDA, whereas booze is handled by the ATF, who aare busy with shooting people and I don't know what else really. Thanks for this. Holy shit that's a huge loophole as all I see on beer bottles are ABV and a surgeon general's warning. How would you compare this to tobacco, if you sell it?
Dylan Hughes
That's a really false anolgy, as stealing from someone is not the same as me growing mushrooms in my closet and eating them.
You also avoided my questions.
Thomas Nelson
What type of beer are you aiming for? And it'll probably take more than a just few brews before you get anything decent. But it is fun none the less, and a lot of it is a mistake you made that somehow works and you go from there. I was trying to make a sour for a while, but it slowly evolved into a flemmish red.
Tobacco works the same way with a three tiered system and also only contains a surgeon generals warning. And there are some beers out there which give you more info on the bottle (mainly craft type shit), but that is by their own volition, mainly to get you interested in their "red beat oatmeal stout made with chocolate matl etc.".
Camden Kelly
Making an amber ale right now. A fair amount of the wort seemed to boil off so I didn't put as much water in the bucket as they recommend (5 gallons but I filled it to 4.5).
Dylan Kelly
I'm sorry, I'm a libertarian who wants all drugs to be legal and at best I'm only playing devil's advocate.
The "supplier is worse than the user, if not the only reason we even have users" thing only perpetuates the drug trade, and if we cracked down on users more we'd have less of it.
Connor Harris
> so I didn't put as much water in the bucket as they recommend (5 gallons but I filled it to 4.5) Stuff like that is what it's all about really. There are a lot of guides out there, but it is almost impossible to truly follow them to the letter. It's a lot like growing a plant, you just need to be able to identify what it needs/doesn't need and adapt. That's where all the practice makes perfect aspects come in to play. An amber ale shouldn't be too difficult if you're just starting out.
Ryan Howard
Thanks for the encouragement. Can't wait to see how it tastes.
Henry Allen
unfortunately the regulation of drugs depends entirely on which drugs are already legal.
take prohibition of alcohol in america; it failed completely because the demand was obviously still present and the only supply required criminal activity which either was or became organized.
sadly, the same has become true of marijuana. it has been defacto legal in the west or at the least enforced so weakly that a criminal body has embedded itself in its distribution.
although I believe that alcohol and tobacco should remain legal and are a part of human culture, it is an unprincipled position. arguably, marijuana does far more damage to the average person than alcohol and tobacco...opiates are certainly hazardous, without question; but the simple fact is this:
when any substance that can be abused becomes ubiquitous or unregulated, the ability for a state to ban the market for any such substance becomes impossible without extreme violence or willing segregation.
why is alcohol regulated so differently? because we as a species (myself for about a decade) have been abusing it for thousands of years.
if you want to ban any substance, it cannot be done effectively once it is abused throughout your society and the abuse maintained within said society, illegally or otherwise.
cheers.
Ryder Bennett
Comes down to money. Alcohol business, that's been largely established since laws existed, doesn't want to compete with other business. Same reason weed is largely illegal due to timber industry didn't want the competition and stopped the business before it could grow.
