The Akkadian Empire could be considered to be the first powerful and organized nation state. It was established in 2334 BC, over 2,000 years before the Roman or Greek civilizations began to rise.
Interesting how non-Europeans had successfully created civilization before Europeans could.
Depends on what kind of Greeks you are talking about, because there were quite a few prosperous civlizations in Greece during the Bronze age.
Robert Hill
I bet it could have been cozy to live in a village like that, trading dates and pistachios at the market and visiting the Ziggurat.
Jaxon Gonzalez
>the cradle of civilization is the cradle of civilization At least they enslaved niggers right guys
Leo Diaz
Maybe they would have if they had them.
Tyler James
Based in Africa? WUZ THEY KANGS?!
Elijah Morales
Why does everyone keep bringing up Africa?
Ryder Ward
>Interesting how non-Europeans had successfully created civilization before Europeans could. Faggot OP doesn't know which ancient civilizations were white and which weren't.
Hint, the only nonwhite civilization was in China, and it came after all of ours.
Caleb Foster
>Now Middle Easterners are "white" How convenient!
Daniel Lewis
Or is this a we wuz kangs bit of revisionism?
Noah Young
The Minoans (greeks) came around the same time.
Jeremiah Kelly
>ancient civilizations were white they wuzn't white
John Robinson
Yes,obviously the Kangz made everything first and then subKangz whitey just supressed the Kangz
Elijah Foster
Civilization came looking before the written record so arguments like this are largely pointless.
Josiah Butler
>Library of Alexandria >The Vault of Vatican
Ryder Brooks
Because WE
Juan Edwards
At the same time the Olmec civilization was at their peak.
Jason Evans
>we wuz first kangs!
Jordan Sullivan
No one denies that non Europeans have culture, the argument is that our culture is vastly superior. Rule of law, science, literature, arts, human rights, liberty, individuality, freedom of religion etc. Also, the west, Britain in particular, civilized the world. Brought modern medicine, infrastructure, industrial farming, industry and western thought. Look at China for example, they had a great civilization, but it hasn't achieved anything close to ours. ALSO WE WENT TO THE FUCKING MOON MOTHERFUCKER. This and the Mycenaeans
Jack Jackson
They were the real kangz that niggers want to be today.
Logan Murphy
Europe had been colonised for far less time, it also was a frozen shit hole. Of course it was going to take a long time for Europe to flourish. Mesopotamia had a more agreeable climate, fertile lands and loads of natural resources. It was also in an ideal position for trade with three continents.
Blake Wright
7,000 years ago, Varna in Bulgaria was the largest settlement on Earth. google "Old Europe Culture"
Benjamin Anderson
There's one thing i've never understand..
Humans are here in this planet for 300,000 years, and the oldest civilization was only 4000 years old, there's something wrong here.
So we stayed living like niggers for 280000 years?
Mason Walker
No.Humanity got nuked back to the stone age multiple times by aliens.
Matthew Miller
That's the only explanation.
Or we live in an eternal cicle, like mr skeltal coaster...The ride never ends, we stuck here forever. ;_;
Hunter Sanchez
Valid.
Evan Diaz
> It was established in 2334 BC, over 2,000 years before the Roman or Greek civilizations began to rise. >2334 b.c >before Greek civilizations >twf I'm Greek and actually know my history
That's cute, now back to ledddit, faggot.
Jonathan Anderson
fucked up, meant to say: >mfw I'm Greek and actually know my history
Still, get fucked faggot OP.
Juan Myers
WERDEN KÖNIGEN UND SCHEIßE!
Parker Ross
.t turk rape baby
Nolan Phillips
The Aryan originated in the far east and migrated westward. All these ancient ruins were build by aryans and this is evident since the modern people's in these areas are living far beneath the ones who build these ancient structures
Connor Sanchez
There is evidence even on Mars having olmec artefacts and xenon129 in the atmoshpere
Also alot of it is probably under water since most civilizations are created close to water and the water have risen quite a bit
Hunter Howard
hello, mahmut, this is your grand-grand-grand-grand fathers head here
William Rodriguez
wrong, Olmecs were later
Owen Peterson
Lol OP getting btfo and not a rebuttal in sight.
Luis Morales
this is a post I would expect from a nigger
Jason Thompson
technically its still 1000-800 years older than mycenean civilization
Grayson Adams
The problem today seems to be more about Muslims actively trying to take over than the arguments that arise over this or that historical cleverness having existed on some particular timeline any particular person can claim to be heir to.
Grayson Clark
>what is cycladic civilization that was also sea-faring >what is minoan civilization that was sea-faring also >implying there weren't anyone on the mainland by that time Come on, burgers. Pic related mycaenean warriors that could impale the mesopotamian ones like Vlad.
Ayden Cox
Nice Sweden.
Andrew Howard
Didn't Egypt and India already have civilizations by this point?
Cooper Rivera
They were Semites, yes. Basically pagan Jews.
Sebastian Russell
The Holocene is generally considered to only have been the last 10,000 ~ 20,000 years. This being the age of modern humans. There are significant differences between modern humans and humans from only a few tens of thousands of years ago. Because "society" in terms of informational constructs like language, art, technical knowledge, and so on exist on an independent timeline it is not surprising that people lived essentially like niggers until only a few tens of thousands of years ago.
This is the story that the existing evidence tells, and does not seem to be in conflict with what we observe about people and animals.
Consider that most of the world is shit. Most people are shitty. Perhaps high civilization is a rare occurrence to begin with, and perhaps its continued existence is always in jeopardy of losing its spark and being wiped out.
If we look at the European example, if the Europeans do not eventually resist the current influx of migrant people, some consequential number of whom have an intent to eventually take over, and also resist the current political trends that make people tend to vote for policies that digest rather than grow their society and power -- European culture will become a victim of its own success and become yet another historical anomaly.
This is very likely a process that has caused the demise of many other civilizations. The only two I am familiar with in terms of documented study and evaluation are Roman Empire ending and the Ming era in China. But we have other parallels, such as the Soviet Union (despite its inner brutality, they achieved quite a lot -- but "burned the candle at both ends" and poof!), Carthagenians and the Ottoman Turks.
Parker Nelson
Minoan civilization on the islands of Crete, Corfu, and Santorini (especially) was established in 2600 BC and was probably single handedly the most advanced civilization to date. It's sad that volcano erupted or else I'm 100% confident it would completely shadow over mainland Greece during the Archaic and Early Classical eras.
Asher Morales
ITT: insecure faggots getting triggered by a simple historical fact civilization started with non-whites
The existance of a culture (pottery, simple shrines, buildings) doesn't imply the existance of a civilization. A civilization requires a higher degree of complexity.
Wyatt Powell
There were about four or five successive waves of peoples we refer to as the Greeks Dorians, Ionians, Achaeans, etc.
Jackson Price
>Humans are here in this planet for 300,000 years, and the oldest civilization was only 4000 years old, there's something wrong here. That's not true. It's only been very recently that archaeologists have been willing to accept that human civilizations go back further than that. This view that human civilization is only 4000ish years old comes from traditional views - to a large degree based on the bible, not the evidence.
Zachary Perry
Indeed. The initial post was rather unhelpful, but I assume that was the point.
Also, how do people define "white" vs "non-white". There is a lot of trickiness in the middle there.
Levi Murphy
>a simple historical fact civilization started with non-whites If we're talking the modern conception of 'white' than you're right and there is literally no need to argue with this because it's already been proved that proto-civilizations were entirely neolithic. It's not up for debate.
Gabriel Rivera
Yeah but i'm sure we'll find even older finds. There probably have been several civilization ending events like the Bronze Age collapse.
The Greek literally became completely illiterate for several hundred years after the Bronze age collapse. Similar type events must have happened and probably even worse ones.
Nathaniel Foster
Largely based on cultures fighting for "im the oldest" title.Not evidence.Evidence is actively supressed to hide that civilization is going way-way back in to the millions.
Lincoln White
Civilization takes a long time to ramp up. It requires not only a certain population density but the ability to produce large amounts of food for a sedentary population aka agriculture. It's entirely reasonable to think that we've spent the majority of our existence as small tribes of hunters-gatherers and the idea that this way of life is somehow inferior or less fulfilling than "civilized" life is foolish.
Justin Bennett
>The Greek literally became completely illiterate for several hundred years after the Bronze age collapse. You don't know that. It's speculation.
Landon Hill
>Not evidence.Evidence is actively supressed to hide that civilization is going way-way back in to the millions. Oh it absolutely is. There are human remains in the Americas so old that carbon dating won't even work on them. Anthropologists just ignore them. They know they exist. They just can't explain them so they totally ignore them.
Dominic Ramirez
>american education
Isaiah Diaz
No one knows anything that far back but its well founded theory
Jayden Gonzalez
They were Aryan.
Camden Ortiz
You would not believe how much part the my culture is the oldest part play.Just look up how triggered the egyptian guy got by Hancock telling they didnt built the Sphinx
Camden Thompson
Then say "theres a theory about x" not literally.
>Oh it absolutely is. There are human remains in the Americas so old that carbon dating won't even work on them. Anthropologists just ignore them. They know they exist. They just can't explain them so they totally ignore them. This. It's obviously something they are told to do, anyone ttrying to explain anything is ridiculed or is out of job.
Eli Harris
That was just writing tho, Greeks ended up adopting the Phoenician alphabet in 800BC
Alexander Reed
>This. It's obviously something they are told to do, anyone ttrying to explain anything is ridiculed or is out of job. It's not like it's a conspiracy or anything. It's just cancerous traditionalism. "Well I was taught X so that's how it's going to fucking be until my generation fucking dies. Deal with it." All fields are like this, unfortunately. Archaeology is by far one of the worst though.
Cooper Long
this.
Camden Gutierrez
Akkad, a descendant of Adam, thus Adamic. Not Kenite(nachash) and not Khazar. Akkad(the person) is listed in the genealogies in the Old Testament.
Jacob Mitchell
>Greeks ended up adopting the Phoenician alphabet in 800BC This is actually a theory too, it's not based on facts, since, and not only because of this, there are also some symbols used in the greek alphabet, that predate the phoenician civilization, check Dispilio tablet, archeological agency also took almost a century to make it public. Theres also a theory that the phoenician civilization been influenced by the Mycaeneans. History we know is actually pretty false.
Mason Jones
Sumerians would have only been a tiny weeny bit Aryan in the same way Armenians are a bit Aryan - they'd mostly have been brown.
Elijah Brown
>Then say "theres a theory about x" not literally. lel fuck you yeah that is a pretty big deal if an entire civilization loses its ability to write things down, it was a major fucking collapse. other such collapses probably happened before that.
I think they will find new and much more ancient civilizations, if you would have said not too long ago that the BIGGEST bronze age battle ever uncovered would be found in fucking Northern Germany people would laugh at you >sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle >3200 years ago >thousands of warriors fighting each other nothing like this have ever been found, even in the Near East.
Christian Gomez
Why'd the portray themselves as having white features? They were probabaly brown, but not Arab level.
Tyler Thomas
Because germans were savages and didnt bury the dead.Thats not civilization,on any level.
Oliver Green
Eurofags were too busy LARPing in the woods.
Carson Diaz
"Semites" are descendants of Noahs' son "Shem". They were TRUE Adamic not Kenite(nachash). The Kenites and Khazars LARPing as Israelites are not neceesarily "Shemitic". Noah also had two other sons, Japheth and Ham. Search the Old Testament to discover and be redpilled on which nations and peoples sprang from the loins of Shem, Japheth, and Ham. The Kenite Khazar Talmud worshipers have tried to fool and deceive the world that they are...Of course the truth is much different.
Joseph Nelson
>Interesting how non-Europeans had successfully created civilization they were white
Matthew Williams
You're welcome to find an older post-battle burial site.
But I bet you think people transported home their dead after a great battle instead of burying their dead at the site, so i guess that wont ever be possible
Matthew Brooks
>It was established in 2334 BC en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza "Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10 to 20-year period concluding around BC.
Evan Sanchez
Archaeology is scarily political thing. It's very discouraging to hear rumors about things like the Jordan lead codices being so hotly contested by an archaeological society they illegally arrest a british team and were desperate to gain physical possession of the artifact after it was tested in the UK. The Jordan Department of Antiquities are very aggressive in their dismissal of the codices authenticity and their attacks on the character of the man who discovered them David Elkington.
The lead is confirmed 2000 years old by UK scientists but is in firm possession of the DoA in Jordan who firmly attest they're forgeries. And for extra Sup Forums intrigue so does Israel.
Why the fuck can't I find any good information about this shit beyond fucking coast to coast am?
Dylan Torres
>2560 BC
Eli Gonzalez
>It's just cancerous traditionalism. It's also political, very very political. I would also go that far as say conspiracy, too, since this bias is coming through certain circles and societies.
Ethan Rodriguez
Dang thats only 1000 and some years after the Creation...
Alexander Richardson
>Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu By the way, this is literally hoax graffiti. Egyptologists WANT to believe it, so they do.
Jonathan Ward
>It's also political, very very political It is, but I'm out. This has been a problem for decades because humans are cancerous plebs and it's never going to change.
Colton Perez
>ITT: insecure faggots getting triggered by a simple historical fact civilization started with non-whites I have no problem with it. It makes little difference because evolution works fast so whoever was on top 4000 years ago makes no difference. However.
Jason Davis
>Turkish Weasel word. They mean Anatolian.
Gabriel Myers
The nose on that head is clearly knocked off you twit.
Robert Miller
The Ice age would have ground any kind of civilizations in Europe into dust so we will never know.
Sebastian Hernandez
Yeah but really Turks are mongrels upon mongrels upon mongrels. Even Bedouins. So many ethnicities of the areas were subverted and mongrelized. Hittites, Assyrians, Mitanni and Kassites. The chief thing to take from the article though is: >the ancient Egyptians showed almost no sub-Saharan African ancestry and high affinity to ancient Near Eastern and European populations.
William Parker
The Ice age would have ground any kind of civilizations in Europe into dust so we will never know.
Oliver Hughes
LARPing in the snow, casting "ice balls" at each other.
William Edwards
Oh look, another spic who says Europeans never invented anything because he's mad his own people never invented anything.
Noah Nguyen
LMAO you idiots actually believe in all of these lies about ancient times? Listen up, bucko, cos it's gonna be a long ride: >Welsh of modern-day Wales and England united >began to establish colonies across Europe, stretching from Scandinavia to the Middle East >all of the modern-day Mediterraneans are descended from the Welsh settlers >Empire gradually began to fracture, the Trojan Wars being the catalyst for this >the Trojan Wars were just infighting between Welsh lords >it is believed that the name "Achilles" actually comes from the Welsh name "Achilliaethgwrodgarwionbrydd" >many such cases >empire fractures completely >the Welsh who settled Rome begin to reconquer the old borders of the Empire >but wait >Jews >the Jews sign a deal with the Nordics, Slavs, Africans and Persians, who were still angry about the Welsh cucking them >lash out against the empire in a long series of wars (beginning from the sack of Rome and the Germanic settlements and ending at around the fall of Byzantium) >Nordics, Slavs and Persians agree to brainwash the Welsh race into believing in false identities like "Italian" and "Greek" >bastardise historic Welsh names like Julius Caesar (originally Iwlion Caeswr) and Justinian the Great (originally Iestyn Mawr) >divide_and_conquer.jpg >the Welsh race is systematically oppressed, which is why Wales, Italy, Spain and Greece are all complete and utter shitholes Don't believe me? Look up the Black Book of Carmarthen. Our time will come, Nordics. Our time will come.
Daniel Gutierrez
So why did Africans not have a super civilization The middle east at the time was the best place for a civilization to flourish.To bad they made up Islam and then went on a inbreeding spree.
Connor Foster
Mexicans invented the internet and television, try harder.
Colton Howard
Creation of what?
Colton Fisher
>Africans made up Islam
Julian Powell
Even though he is half white....but still trys to distance himself from the part of his ancestry that was more advancedÉÉé
Sebastian Hughes
Civilizations existed thousands of years before Islam. I do not know what you are implying Justin.
Zachary Martin
Yeah what the fuck happened?
How you gonna get such a headstart then not accomplish anything?
Explain yourself Africa.
Xavier Young
Reminds me of the finnish Khanate, what were the relations between welsh and finnish?
Ian Morgan
Mohammad hated niggers, are you talking about the white north africansÉ
Cooper Anderson
it's called the cradle of civilization you cuck, Greece and Rome were way more prosperous