I don't see why everyone is so impressed with this guy

I don't see why everyone is so impressed with this guy.
His ideas aren't groundbreaking or controversial in the slightest. He's good at articulating his personal philosophy, but that's about it.
Why do people worship him?

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because he's guiding many lost, adolescent males into adulthood and all in all seems like a genuine and decent person. also he's bringing to light the effects of postmodernism to the masses.

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He's not right about everything though. Judging by what I see here and on the YouTube comments, people seem to hang on his every word.
I guess I just don't get it.

You might not believe it but there's tons of SJW, liberal, democrat, retard professors poisoning minds in college. Not only does he have a based view on reality and common sense but he's going against the PC generation who's too stupid to know that they're stupid.

fanboys are disgusting and inevitable

Weird. Beats me bro.

He's a shrink and has spent a considerable amount of time entrenched in academia so the redpills he's giving are far easier to accept another similar character is the evolutionary psychologist from evergreen university

Clean your room faggot

>anything is simple
listen here bucko

You right he's not saying wanting new.

He's just articulating universal truths.

Tons of polacks were raised by single mothers.

This is pretty accurate. Why all of the hate suddenly? It seems like there's a concerted effort by Marxists to subvert the warm reception of Dr. Peterson on Sup Forums, to try to turn us against him.

you must not be smart enough to see the game thats being played here. Im not either, but im just starting to

This. My dad was always in prison for dealing crack and the dudes my mom was fucking at any given time were no help. They gave me a lot of video games though.

He feels like a father to me.

He's got a system of philosophy that justifies a risk-averse conservatism that addresses a lot of the common critiques, including to some extent dealing with Humes problem of drawing ought's from is's.

To my knowledge no one has done it as well as he has, it's normally just a stating of "the wisdom of the ancients/culture/whatever" whereas peterson expands this a lot in a way that is intellectually appealing.

Also if his ideas aren't controversial, why are you and your buddies shilling so hard against him?

This.
He's honest, he's calling out the bullshit and passing on wisdom.
The right admires good men, there are so few of them.

I was raised by a single mother which has caused me a great deal of hardship and confusion. I have been cynical and depressed for many years and had no idea what being a man meant.

I've been watching Jordan Peterson for about 5 months now, and he has given me the tools to become a man. I have him to thank for making me realize the importance of values and responsibility. His help has let me repair the damage done by my mother.

>b-but a fatass redneck or a meme Yorkshireman are redder pills

GTFO Shilling piece of shit. I hope a btard breaks into your place and makes himself a house in your attic

>tfw you've read all of Dostoevsky and Gulag Archipelago prior to finding out about Pete so you're not amazed but rather pleased by him

No one has articulated what's going on in western culture as well as Dr. Peterson has. You might not agree with his philosophy, which IMO aims to teach people that the truth is not pretty, but it doesn't mean you can't self-actualize or be grateful of being brought up in this society despite it's imperfections. It's a concept that the youth is
not only severely lacking in education, but completely being turned against -- His message and delivery is compelling to a lot of people that need to hear someone to articulate the current madness we're going through.

To me he explained stuff I had thought about before (fleetingly) in a coherent manner beautifully connected together.

Of course he does not have any original ideas there. He's just articulating ideas thought by people hundreds may be thousands of years back. But autists like me despise the humanities. He gives people like me a nice perspective on the humanities.

>another similar character is the evolutionary psychologist from evergreen university

Bret Weinstein isn't similar at all. All they have in common is that they are both white male professors that SJWs have targeted for the smallest microagression against their ideology. That's where the similarity ends.

Bret Weinstein is an ultra leftist cuck. He just had the balls to point out that one race of people saying another race can't come to campus is oppression and he won't stand for it.
>black students and staff normally have a day of absence to prove how crucial they are to the university
>this year they decide its whites who can't come to campus
>Professor Weinstein writes an email saying it is totally different for a group to say another group can't come to campus instead of that group willingly making themselves be absent
>gets called a racist and SJWs go apeshit without even knowing the story

because he's gaining a lot of support and Sup Forums is contrarian

Please don't compare Peterson with leftist shill Weinstein. Weinstein seems to be an attention whore aiming to imitate Peterson's success.
He'll get nowhere with that.

You just said it, he's good at articulating his philosophy.

I understand the hatedom even less, /lit/ hates him but that makes sense considering that half the board are open Marxists. /his/ at least is only a third card carrying Marxists who think the statists did nothing wrong.

he does have original ideas though. plenty of them.

literally every jpeterson post i see here makes me wonder if i stumbled onto r9k

>errr durr i can't clean my room he helped me

seriously? this is windowlicker tier

It's because he's an obfuscating disinfo agent. Check his statements on jews. What makes him really dangerous is his knowledge of psychology. He's basically coopting the pendulum swing to the right and bringing gullible young adults back into the judaic fold.

Please elaborate. He usually attributes the ideas he articulates to Nietzsche, Freud, Jung, Piaget, Buddha...

This.

I don't see what's wrong with him.

He isn't just some no name like Sargon (who I sorta like, but just saying), he actually is a professor of clinical psychiatry. He doesn't fuck around advocating extreme things.

The biggest criticism I have of him (and gad saad and the rest of the anti-sjw professor brigade) is that he doesn't know enough about postmodernism, like he just took heinlein's razor to the entire movement. Which is justified, but not very persuasive.

I wish guys like that weren't so stubbornly anti-philosophy. I remember when Gad Saad had Dan Dennet on, (who is actually a philosopher and into philosophy so he has even less excuse), and he went on and on with his quite correct refutation of the anti free will guys without once mentioning quietism or pragmatism and just generally being inconcise.

I wish those guys would read some Susan Haack and spend more time thinking about epistemology.

Because academia is "their realm" and he's not toeing the line. Marxists don't take kindly to diversity of thought. Also his defense of Christianity triggers fedora atheists, which most of those boards are, im sure. The "SCIENCE!" meme is real in those circles

You don't expect a mainstream professor to be a holocaust denier do you?

It depends on what he's talking about. I haven't watched too many of his psychology or personality videos so I wouldn't be able to comment on those. But when it comes to mythology or postmodernism he has many. Just his take on Christianity. Or evil. Or How easy it is to become a left or right wing authoritarian

Reminder.

No, but I expect him to at least SAY THE TRUTH, which is apparently very important to him. Funny how he doesn't follow his own philosophy. Really makes me think.

We have reached the phase in jordan peterson being popular enough for contrarians to have someone to shit on. give it 6 months the board will be filled with posts like OPs

It's an entire generation without fathers, what do you think.
It must have been hard for him to realize he'd been chosen as a surrogate father for a hundred thousand young people. The pressure.

All I've heard him say is he doesn't like anti-semitism. He recognizes the Jewish over representation in the upper echelons of society and said in one interview that he was still collecting is thoughts on their role in Soviet communism

You need to get a better understanding of what he is about. No one is an iconoclast for everything and he's stated multiple times that he isn't interested in politics and is about people sorting out their own lives so that a better society can spring from the work of good individuals.

You can 100% be a fan of peterson and be a 14/88 gas the jews nat soc guy if you want, he promotes the hell out of respecting your past, the community around you and decries rampant individualism. There isn't a contradiction here other than you taking responsibility for as much of your life as possible (which means you can't blame anyone else). Deciding how much is your responsibility and how much is the result of outside forces is up to you.

People can be good and do good without agreeing with and promoting every single fucking thing you are obsessed with.

>random losers think they are smarter than Jordan Peterson

It's cringe worthy to see fabricated hate against him, he does good and has shown nuance towards the JQ but stepped away from it for obvious reasons of outreach. You play the system by it's rules to subvert it, if you expect him to go full 1488 mode you're a retard and a useful pawn.

maximum contrarian

Most people have never gone beyond 101 level knowledge in psychology. So whenever they hear someone sane speak and make decent sounding arguments they are impressed

I like Peterson, it takes balls to throw yourself out there, at the same time, it somewhat shows that he doesnt have much to lose.

I do have ground breaking and controversial ideas, but im not gonna be talking publicly about them until im in my late 70's because neuroscience is full of touchy sjws infiltrating

more like maximum /lit/

>Saad, Harris, Dawkins, Shapiro
>pseudointellectual

For anybody not previously well acquainted with Jung, Peterson's ideas will be wildly new and interesting. The personality research he does has serious implications too. Anyone pushing the literature he pushes is doing the world a favor, especially right now.

His take on postmodernism I like a lot. It is not Sam Harris type 'muh science' memes. He concedes that post-modernism does make some good points wrt judging cultures of people living in distant lands that we know nothing about. But that it went much too far in that regard.
I would have thought a lot of people would have thought that though. (I did think of a version of it with zero formal training in philosophy, and I'm sure many others (outside academia) would have as well.)

yes?

I appreciate the fact that christianity has some core values which are good. But christianity by no means has a monopoly on those values, and there are plenty of things chrisitians believe in which are demonstrably false such as creationism, the flood etc.

However I do admit that atheism does seem to create a meaningless life for a lot of people. Those people might benefit from some sense of purpose and higher meaning. I think that is what a lot of people get out religion, a sense of meaning. If people need fairy tales for grownups in order to not blow their brains out then more power to them.

But personally I am an atheist and I think the fact that I'm a self aware cluster of molecules is amazing. The probability that I was even born is so amazingly small it makes me feel lucky to even be alive at all.

Yeah, he also said that people hate jews because of envy.

It's really funny how he read Solzhenitsyn, Nietzsche and Jung, and how he criticizes Marx and Derrida, yet "is still collecting his thoughts" on the jews.

>People can be good and do good without agreeing with and promoting every single fucking thing you are obsessed with.
No, you fucking idiot, that's not the problem. The problem is that he is actively promoting jews, while coopting national socialist ideals. It's the oldest fucking trick in the book.

He's friends with Saad for fuck's sake, who once said that it's preposterous to think that jews are behind ISIS.

Him and his ilk are grooming the goyim for the next phase of the jewish plan by pacifying them, first with ideology, and then with prosperity. Soon enough, all of the mass immigration will be accepted, because their fattening up the goyim and brainwashing them with kosher philosophy.

Gaad Saad is a much better comparison to Peterson.

>slagging Yuri
That's like slagging Enoch, fucking hell /lit/ you absolute shithole

>Yuri Bezmenov
>pseudo intellectual

it will be too late by then.

he was promoting the same shit that he preached against

he was a limited hangout

Harris, Dawkins, Shapiro, Saad (outside his area of Evolutionary psychology) are all pseudointellectuals.

Solzhenitsyn's book on the Jews, I can't remember the name, hasn't been translated yet

Nietzsche critiqued antisemitism

>while coopting national socialist ideals

When.

He's an anti-authoritarian.

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I sincerely hope you don't think this resulted in a dead end

It goes without saying that their comparisons only go as far as their mainstream appeal and people being more receptive to them because that's the fucking topic in the OP. Work on reading comprehension please. Comparison was perfectly acceptable in this context.

>Why do people worship him?

He uses big words that are hard to understand for the everyday pleb, this is why he attracts the normies.

If you have the opportunity you should watch some talks of his about it. He's no creationist and he gives sound arguments for religions purpose and what it actually means.

This interview does a good job of summing up a lot of his beliefs
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200 years, I think. It was not translated fully.

Source me on that. From what I remember he was very good at pointing out the jew and his main poisons: humanism and christianity.

I wasn't referring to political ideals.

What do you mean?

> But christianity by no means has a monopoly on those values
Peterson concedes that.
> Those people might benefit from some sense of purpose and higher meaning. I think that is what a lot of people get out religion, a sense of meaning. If people need fairy tales for grownups in order to not blow their brains out then more power to them.
Not just meaning but a manual a to how to live life. The good and the bad practices. Each religion is basically ancient men encoding their practice to the next generation. Peterson is clear about that as well.

I am an atheist but I do see how important religion is to people. Especially to young people. So that they do not fuck up their lives and become degenerates before they have the maturity to understand degeneracy.

>I wasn't referring to political ideals.

What ideals do you mean then? It's a political system.

>le peterson isn't any good meme

lowest energy path to yous, sad, many such cases

The best he's ever had.

Sadly, we dont have Sup Forums for science, and even if I wanted to push it, id need a decade before im even in a position to ask for funding for them.

But oh well, I might die tomorrow, so heres a sneak pic

Using selectively bred plants as psionic detectors/emitters

I know about selective breeding, but in rats, still need some plant bros to help, but the experiments are easy and cheap.

a lot of shilling against him lately.

i can´t see why people dislike him so much, most of what he says is shit that you see posted here regulary, so why attacking him?

Regardless of his personal conclusions, Peterson's ideas are extremely useful to the right. The Pagan right can make hay out of archetypal stories and the embodiment of heros.

Yes that's it

>Hitchens, Buckley, Chomsky
>.......Laci Green

wut?

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You should stop posting until you understand Peterson a bit more.

Watch some more videos, the one posted here is a good start.

He is not an original thinker, true, and I also think the cult that has formed around him is dumb but as said he is a great educator.
I found out about him just as I was pondering about many of the topics he addresses so I was instantly hooked. I have immense respect for him and can safely say he has been one of the best teachers I've ever had.

He's no Jung or anything. He's honestly a mediocre psychologist and an annoying lolbertarian. He's just the only academic with the balls to speak out.

Haven't browsed in a while but there seems to be an upswing in anti-Peterson threads.

It's the low life liberal who are throwing childish temper tantrums because Peterson speaks the truth and it hurts the liberal's little feelings.

I say we should just gas all the liberals. They truly are the cancer to a civilized society.

likely because hes in a university and has personally assblasted so many sjw's

part trolling, part D&C efforts, part gaytheists, part good old fashion Sup Forums contrarianism

because most of the WJW's (white justice warriors) who frequent Sup Forums are illiterate fucks who are easily impressed by someone who clearly articulates what they are thinking.

You're correct and I agree that this is where his strength lies. I support him and think he's great in this capacity. I think when you're beyond certain levels, you naturally wonder why basics capture people. I've just learned to let it go. If someone is helping people get to the next level, more power to them.

That being said, for people beyond this level, if you pay attention, you'll notice that he declares anything that gets complicated or beyond the basics as being : Evil. I watched two of his videos and picked up on it relatively quickly. He knows his audience and he's careful not to let them stray into unknowns w/o the basics. What he declares isn't evil. It's just that next level of reality.

People beyond this probably have already delved into more advanced material and well-spoken stewards of such material.

He was exposed as an intellectual fraud by sam harris in a debate on "truth"

That was my first run in with peterson. I couldn't help but "laughinggirls.jpg"

Since thet, ive became familiar with his inspiration talks. He comes off as a down to earth GOOD guy. I get a sense of genuine caring from him. Im a fake myself and i can easily sniff out fakes. He isn't one. Hes a good guy and im happy for whatever fortune comes his way. Well deserved.

I like him for that

Thats all you need, also, he does the best he can with the shitty toolbox he has. Gosh, this will never happen in hard neurosciences, people cant argue against biological facts

> WJW's (white justice warriors)
You must return.

Autism translated it.
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>He's good at articulating his personal philosophy, but that's about it.

you're right user, I wasn't going to agree with your post, but since you gave him one compliment, you changed my mind.

>lucky to even be alive
That's a very materialist way to view the world. Why don't you try opening up to a more duelist view? Consciousness and physical matter/brain structure aren't 100% linearly connected. I'd suggest looking into qualia and the more mathematically supported parts of synchronicity theory.

Because he's doing something out there faggot, and he's not some Sup Forums retard sperging out chanting heil hitler. He's out there changing people's minds and not like you jerking off in your mom's basement thinking he's doing so well fighting the marxists and progressives for posting in Sup Forums

Peterson is a good man who is trying to help society. This enough makes him worthy of admiration.

That he's good at articulating his perspective is just the catalyst that allows us to notice him in the first place.

>He was exposed as an intellectual fraud by sam harris in a debate on "truth"
I don't think you realise which direction the expose was on. Harris was exposed as a low IQ idiot to many there.

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Peterson's take on religion is a little silly.
Read Schopenhauer's dialogues on religion. Once religion is interpreted as allegory, its functionality is destroyed. You can recognise its utility as an atheist, but you will never be under its spell. Religion requires real metaphysical belief. Religion may work for secular society as a whole, but its only meaningful and fruitful and beautiful for the individual if they believe in it.

Nietzsche recognised German antisemitism as stemming from envy and resentment - maladaptive attitudes. He admired the Jews for their success.
I don't know what source to provide but just look up "nietzsche jews" or "nietzsche anti-semitism"

>You have committed one of the greatest stupidities — for yourself and for me! Your association with an anti-Semitic chief expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me again and again with ire or melancholy. … It is a matter of honor with me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal in relation to anti-Semitism, namely, opposed to it, as I am in my writings.

I agree with this quote in particular though.
>Unpleasant, even dangerous, qualities can be found in every nation and every individual: it is cruel to demand that the Jew be an exception. In him, these qualities may even be dangerous and revolting to an unusual degree; and perhaps the young stock-exchange Jew is altogether the most disgusting invention of mankind.
We can critique every people and nation for their own problems, but as soon as we even suggest a problem endemic to Jewish people it is "anti-semitism". Sad.

you obviously haven't listened to his arguments on religion. Myth is only one aspect of its importance. His stance on truth, which you may or may not agree with, shouldn't be ignored