Even Farage believes a UK EFTA membership is best

Norway style Brexit coming.

Are Brits fine with the UK staying a de facto member of the EU just like Norway?

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As long as I can continue to live anywhere inside the EU I don't care what happens.

No. Whats the point, may aswell stay a member. We'll have to abide by the rules but wont have a say in making them, worst of both worlds.

This is why I voted Remain, as I knew this would happen. At least as a member you have a say in the rules that are imposed on you

Then he's either lying or dumb as fuck.

No benefits, all the pain..

>sources
>anus

>shitpost about leaving EU to drum up support for your political group
>panic when the vote actually succeeds because it'll wreck your shit
>try to backpedal over time as it becomes more and more obvious it's a terrible idea

Did anyone really think leaving the EU would mean that you become a prisoner trapped on the island?

>No. Whats the point, may aswell stay a member.
Well, you get your fishing rights back.

This was possible before we was even in the e.u.

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Grandees at both ends of the political spectrum have spent the weekend dusting down options for how Britain might still leave the European Union but crucially stay within the single market.

The so-called “Norway option” would see Britain remain within the European Economic Area – and therefore maintain full access to the single market – by rejoining the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), along with Norway, Switzerland and others.

Much discussed immediately before and after the referendum, this scenario had dropped out of vogue in Westminster because of the requirement for EFTA members to maintain a degree of free movement of people.

But now it is gaining support in unlikely quarters. “I think we are probably headed towards a Norway-type situation two-and-a-half years down the road,” former Ukip leader Farage told BBC Newsnight on Saturday. “Norway is better than where we are now ... it’s certainly not where I want to finish up [but] I do think now there will be backsliding.”

>This was possible before we was even in the e.u.
No, it really wasn't. Trust me, it wasn't. I myself didn't have any rights in Europe at all.

that was my thinking too (bong in burgerland)

at least before we had a fucking say in things, now we'll get all the same crap, bent over and fucked by every last cunt and can't do shit except pay more taxes

Yes, but it was very difficult.

Look at how difficult it is to emigrate to the US or Brazil.

Reminder that when the EU fails, Germany will be left holding the bag

It will not fall.

>when the EU fails
Throughout the 19th century, all enemies of the USA said that it is just a few more years and the USA will fail.

However, unlike the EU, the USA ACTUALLY failed twice, once in 1837 and once more in 1861.

It is still around doing its evil shit and so will the EU in 2050.

Exactly. For all the posturing, we need the EU for trade, so will have to deal. Free movement will still be here, we'll still have to do what the EU says and we'll have to pay a huge bill for leaving. Madness to give up our seat at the table if we still have to eat there

This unnerving lack of confidence and cuck bullshit is precisely the intention of these wobbles. You fucks have zero backbone for anything.

They must be off their fucking rocker. Why would you vote to leave then 'not leave' with a Brexit-lite?. Before they had seats in the EU parliament and considerable influence in the EU, now they just cucked themselves by becoming followers, not leaders (and those with considerable power to influence policy). Unless they just cut all their ties and start from scratch, they are going to be considerably worse off.

>This unnerving lack of confidence and cuck bullshit is precisely the intention of these wobbles. You fucks have zero backbone for anything.

Calm down. The EU is a trade organization. It is not so bad being part of it, even if you have no say in it. You will actually pay a lot less into the budget as an EFTA member and as said above, you will get back your fishing rights for the most part.

Just because the US has endured doesn't mean that all superstates will.

Look at the Soviet Union.

>The EU is a trade organization
If only it were JUST a trade organisation I don't think anyone would have voted leave

>Look at the Soviet Union.
That had economic problems. Pretty much all superpowers were stopped by economic troubles. The EU isn't crumbling economically. If it were, yes, it would be gone soon.

Fuck off Hans. Why are Germans still so asshurt because we want to leave your suicide pact?

I always felt bad for Germans during the migrant crisis but I'm slowly being brought around to the fact that you're hopeless, controlling, self-hating faggots. I'm finding it difficult to feel any sympathy for anyone who isn't an Anglo.

It is just a trade organization. Yes, some parts of trade have implications of e.g. movement of people and standardization of products.

44% of our trade goes to the EU.

Brexit was sold as us being able to make deals with India and China. Each country has maybe 100,000 wealthy people and a billion dirt poor in shanty towns. What the fuck are we going to sell them, Rolls Royce Jet Engines?

EU has 500million relatively well off potential customers for our goods and services.

All Brexit will mean is accepting any shit deal America offers us because theyll have us by the balls. And accepting whatever shit deal the EU offers us because theyll also have us by the balls. The Romanians will still be coming here and we'll still have to pay into the EU, dont let the Dad's Army repeats fool you into thinking we're still a global player, the empire died a long time ago, we're not

this just proves that it is impossible to leave

>The EU isn't crumbling economically.
You're overly optimistic.

The EU, while not "crumbling" is in dire straits economically. The eurozone has the slowest growth of ANY economic zone in the world. It's constantly teetering on the brink of recession.

Of course, you don't actually care about Europe, you only care about the German economy.

We wanted that in the first place. As long as we don't pay to be a member.

I can't think of a single trade organisation in the world that requires the free movement of people along with goods and services. Can you?

You and I both know that it's a political union moreso than an economic one.

>as a member you have a say

So it's going to be a 100bn exit fee, probably paying more per year than the membership ever was, keeping EU laws and regulations and having no say at all. Nice work Nigel.

>Trade organisation
Name another trade org that has it's own parliament, national anthem etc

Hard Brexit is the only Brexit

>The eurozone has the slowest growth of ANY economic zone in the world

This is not true. Also we are already incredibly rich, so for us to grow 0.5% per year means a lot more growth than say for Brazil to grow 5% per year.

If I have 1000 bux and grow it by 10% I will have 1100. If I have 10 bux and grow by 50% I will have 15 bux. Basic economics my boy.

They absolutely have no choice if they don't want their economy to hit Wheimer levels

>single trade organisation in the world that requires the free movement of people along with goods and services

NAFTA includes special movement of people provisions, especially for Canadians.

CETA also includes provisions about EU nationals moving to Canada and vice versa.

The EU has gone extreme on these provisions providing a right to people to look for work allowing states to deport EU nationals only after 3 months if they have not found employment or started being self-employed.

>At least as a member you have a say in the rules that are imposed on you
No you don't, Brussels let's you pretend that you do though

Nige literally only created the party to make Brexit happen
It's not "his party"

There won't be an exit fee, and how do you know we'll pay more? And clearly we won't be playing by all of their rules

>The EU, while not "crumbling" is in dire straits economically.

Stop this. the EU (i.e. the EU states) are doing better than the US right now - in terms of GDP growth, in terms of financial stability, in terms of budget deficits and in terms of trade deficits and thus competitiveness.

Don't tell me that the EU, which is the largest trade partner of China, is in dire straits economically. You would need to back that up with numbers.

>I slowly began to hate them
Now I know how Hitler felt.

>44% of our trade goes to the EU.
Actually, you should think about trade in terms of single market trade, or even more inclusive European tariff union trade, which approaches 60% of British trade.

>This is not true
Look it up.

>If I have 1000 bux and grow it by 10% I will have 1100. If I have 10 bux and grow by 50% I will have 15 bux. Basic economics my boy.
Thanks for the lesson in economics professor but the EU is still stagnating compared to other developped economies.

>The EU has gone extreme
Indeed it has. The EU says that if you have an EU passport you can live in any EU country you want.

Normally this wouldn't be a problem except that you guys keep inviting the third world into Europe.

The EU and Germany are not capitalist, when you fall you won't be able to get back up
Our economy is literally built to do exactly that which is why we have yet to fall

This so much. Why are my countrymen spineless faggots who hate themselves? I have to go to fucking America to talk to someone resembling an Anglo with balls. What the fuck made Britain so unconfident?

>the EU (i.e. the EU states) are doing better than the US right now
I'm going to need proof of this. That goes against everything I've read.

The EU was created to bring stability and prosperity to the continent. Can you honestly tell me that Europe today is safe and prosperous? Fucking France has over 10% unemployment! France! Don't even get me started on the mediterranean countries or the terrorist threat...

>Look it up.
I have. See pic related. The CIS countries are performing infinitely worse than the EU.

>Thanks for the lesson in economics professor but the EU is still stagnating compared to other developped economies.
Will you back this up with facts or just spew memes? Also you couldn't even spell developed right.

Yes it is, massively
The only reason it looks like it isn't is because you offshore all debt accumulated by the union to smaller union states to keep your books clean and make you look like you're above water
The EU has been hemmoraging since 2006 and it hasn't stooped

>how do you know we'll pay more?

The exit fee won't go away and I assume EFTA fees are calculated pretty much the same as membership and there will be no rebate any more. And don't be silly about playing by the rules.

>The EU says that if you have an EU passport you can live in any EU country you want.
I personally am against that. I think the right should be limited to having a job above a certain threshold (let us say 25k a year or so) or having enough money to live on for 12 months at least.

>Normally this wouldn't be a problem except that you guys keep inviting the third world into Europe.
Sorry, but that is NOT a problem for you. There are literally no non-whites coming to the UK from the EU under freedom of movement laws. Simply because non-whites are not EU nationals and even those who are, they are not moving to the UK. 99% of EU immigration to the UK is white and most of them are Christian. Look it up.

>The EU and Germany are not capitalist
Then wtf are they ?

>Our economy is literally built to do exactly that which is why we have yet to fall
Last you went bankrupt in the early 1970s during the Nixon shock. Your currency crashed, you essentially paid 20 cents on the dollar on your debt, which in anyone's book is a bankruptcy scenario... followed by a decade of stagflation.

And the end of Bretton woods is still making your country shit, just look it up.

Redpill me on efta
>sound shitty
>follow all their rules, take fugees, pay up, only thing you get is select industry and trade autonomy

Socialist cockups that started falling apart so capitalism was wleded into it's bloated corpse to keep it afloat
IE: A mixed market economy
Also the very thing the leftists and globalists want us to do except in reverse and out of virtue signaling not necessity

You're right. I stand corrected.

Antarctica does have worse growth than the EU.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/29/the-only-continent-with-weaker-economic-growth-than-europe-is-an/

>I personally am against that. I think the right should be limited to having a job above a certain threshold (let us say 25k a year or so) or having enough money to live on for 12 months at least.
Okay but you're not in charge of the EU are you?

>There are literally no non-whites coming to the UK from the EU under freedom of movement laws.
I live in London and I can assure you this couldn't be further from the truth.

Not that I care about them being white or not but I'm tired of being told by German politicians that we need to do more to help the refugees that they welcomed with open arms. You made your own bed.

>I'm going to need proof of this. That goes against everything I've read.
See pic related. The EU has done better than the US economically lately.

And it is not just Germany, actually countries such as Spain and even Greece are now growing faster than the US and the UK.

>slavs
>white

I lived among these creatures for quite a while. They are not like us at all.

>You've had market problems before
>You're still here and the world's super power but you fell
That isn't how it works Heinrich, when you fall you become what Nazi Germany is(non-existent)

>start of a year

This happens every year

Europe was always capitalist, socialism isn't an economic system

>I live in London and I can assure you this couldn't be further from the truth.

The non-whites of London were all let in by the UK under UK legal immigration laws, they do not come from the EU. You know that, right?

ITT: How stupid can you be.

>when you fall you become what Nazi Germany is(non-existent)

There was never such a thing as "Nazi Germany". Germany was Germany before 1933, it was Germany from 1933 to 1945 and it was Germany thereafter. It still exists as Germany.

I bump into stuff being divided into "For UK/EU citizens" and "Others" all the time whenever I'm in the UK, starting with the airport.

The guy is literally braindead. Best to just ignore him.

There is only one kind of Brexit, The Brexit we voted for which is to leave the single market

>>start of a year
>This happens every year
No, it doesn't. Growth in the EU is quite significant these days.

Do you think that you can tell someone's race by their nationality?

I've met dozens and dozens of non-white French, Spanish, Italians, etc... Who've come to London to look for work.

But as I said, I'm not a stormfriend. I don't care about race. I do care about national sovereignty and democracy.

If we decide to let in immigrants that's one thing, being forced to accept immigrants by the German chancellor or EU leaders is another.

>socialism isn't an economic system

Are you seriously suggesting the reason why 80% of Pakis and Indians and 75% of Nigerians and Somalis and 85% of Bangladeshis in the EU all live in the UK is because of EU freedom of movement??

I got a nice poo in the loo to sell you then.

>Being this autistic
Why

EU growth is at +0.6% in Q1 2017. And that's the best it's done since the start of 2015.

The anglosphere always underperforms on Q1, Hans
Thanks to holidays, tendency to travel, no holiday puchases etc

>The Brexit we voted for which is to leave the single market
Wasn't on the ballot.

Actually, I would argue that logic dictates that you stay in the single market. 48% voted for staying members of the EU. I seriously doubt that of 52% who voted to leave the EU, every single one also wanted to leave the single market. You just need 4% of those 52% (Equalling 2pp) to also have been for staying in the single market but leaving the EU. And in that case, you would clearly have voted to leave the EU, but stay in the single market.

I think that is more likely than 95% of the 52% wanting to leave the EU and leave the single market.

All these things are adjusted, mate.

>evil
Whatever you say Mohammed.

>EU growth is at +0.6% in Q1 2017. And that's the best it's done since the start of 2015.
Which is 2.5% annualized. Quite a lot really.

If we don't leave the single market, what's point of leaving at all?

>Whatever you say Mohammed.
Are you suggesting the USA is not an evil empire? How many innocent civilians have you killed again in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.? How many dictators have you installed? How many democratic governments have you toppled?

If the US isn't evil, who is?

I don't mean you. I mean the other brit spewing brexit propaganda with zero original thinking of his own. Literally everything he says has been parroted for months over here.

>If we don't leave the single market, what's point of leaving at all?

You are not in the EU any more. that is the point. If Norway or Iceland wanted to join the EU, they would. But they don't. So they stay in the single market but do not join the EU.

There is quite a difference here, especially when talking about budget contributions.

>krauts unironically believe that the US is evil

Only assuming that it's going to repeat that performance for the rest of the year. Given that that's the best it's done in two years I'm assuming not. We're all also due another recession, and all the warning signs are present that it's imminent.

The blood of two world wars is on your hands you know.

>Only assuming that it's going to repeat that performance for the rest of the year. Given that that's the best it's done in two years I'm assuming not. We're all also due another recession, and all the warning signs are present that it's imminent.
On a US style basis, in Q1 2017, you had 2.1% annualized growth in the EU, which is quite good and it is projected to be more than that in the full year 2017.

We are not Norway or Iceland.

People voted to leave the EU due, in large part, to end the freedom of movement.

Single market membership is contingent upon freedom of movement. If we don't leave the single market we will be arguably even worse off since we will no longer even have a chair at the table.

The US is still an evil empire. Why are you even doubting that? Any empire which installs dictators, topples legitimate governments, funds terror organizations and kills millions of civilians is. There is just no way around it.

>there is someone on pol that believes the usa is a benevolent empire
Please leave

>People voted to leave the EU due, in large part, to end the freedom of movement.
Says who?

Again, 48% voted for staying in the EU. Are you seriously suggesting that more than 95% of the 52% were categorically against freedom of movement?

Fact is, we do not know if there is a majority for or against staying in the single market. Most likely there is a majority for it, as you just need 2pp from the 52%.

> 5 euro für kevin aus Berlin

It's forecast at 1.6% for 2017. While obviously this isn't bad when the next recession comes, it's just going to sink again.

We don't have a say anyway, that's why being totally out is the only means of having some legislative control back in our own country.

Okay Mehmet. The rest of ISIS agrees with you.

Did I say they were benevolent?

Would you rather have the Russians or the Chinese in charge perhaps? Who do you think would be worse?

>Says who?
Pretty much anyone who voted leave.

>Are you seriously suggesting that more than 95% of the 52% were categorically against freedom of movement?
Yes.

Why on earth would you vote to leave if you were in favour of the freedom of movement? If you like free movement you voted remain.

I'd wager that even amongst the 48% there were those who would like to see changes to freedom of movement laws.

>Swiss flag
>Switzerland de facto member of the single market with all 4 freedoms

Fez, don't throw any stones if you sit in a glass house. You voted against freedom of movement and your government just ignored your vote. How does this feel?

> socialism isn't an economic system
youre clinically retarded arent you?
all of marxism is a worthless economic system based on flawed assumptions and the delusions of rich bearded plutocrats in the coffeehouses of vienna london munich and paris

arguing that marxism is NOT an economic system is simply delusional

1.6% is the too optimistic UK growth forecast. It is 1.9% for the Eurozone right now and that is probably too conservative given the recent growth path.

>Says who?
A great deal of the debate surrounding brexit revolved around immigration policy and market access. Your argument about dividing the vote with a different scenario falls flat because these issues were hashed out as the consequences of the decision prior to the vote.

>Okay Mehmet. The rest of ISIS agrees with you.

Actually, ISIS believes the evil of the US is justified under their religion. This is why ISIS never criticized the atrocities that the US has committed in places such as Vietnam.
>>Says who?
>Pretty much anyone who voted leave.
Source.