So can anyone explain to me why former atheist commie countries like China and Russia are becoming more Christian?
Russia is trying to be the Christian Saudi-Arabia and China is set to become the world's largest Christian country by 2030.
What's the deal here?
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Atheism is crap and people have spiritual needs. Europe and the US are also becoming more religious, but not necessarily christian.
You will flock back to Christianity once you see what marxism does to your country. We already went trough that.
Marx criticized organized religion as a method of controlling the masses. Now former marxists are trying to solidify their control over the masses and going: Religious control over the sheeple and every aspect of their miserable lives? I like it!.
Greek: Γαστριμαργία (gastrimargia);
Latin: Gula;
English: Gluttony
They saw what atheistic communism did to themselves, then they looked at the West and saw what cultural marxism did to us, and figured out there must be something beyond materialism
Ironically it's the rootless atheists who are being easily controlled
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Religion is the easiest way to give purpose to someone, which is something we all need and sadly lack nowadays.
I was raised and baptised as a catholic and lost faith as a teenager (marxist education and tv did not help at all). But now I'm slowly restoring my faith again.
Who gives a fuck if you have spiritual needs when all that religious stuff is bullshit? Atheism is the only thing that makes sense.
Because theyre poor and poor people are fucking dumb
if people cared about making sense society would be at a whole different state right now
Good Goy
>Who cares about human nature, ignoring it is what makes sense
Also, denying the existance of God is irrational.
>Muhh Chinese Christianity is growing
Every time. Do all Christcucks get their memes from some sort of newspaper or something? Chinese government sees Christianity as a Western enemy and they've been actively suppressing them and closing down more churches than any other nation.
Wait; what did you say; i was looking at my phone.
Ah? Yeah i agree.
How is that irrational, please explain me
Cracking down on Christianity always results in it becoming insanely popular because you run it underground.
It's a good thing too. Just look at what happened in Europe when they abandoned Christ. Aethism and degeneracy followed and now they are killing themselves.
Civilization needs religion to sustain itself, clearly aethism cannot. Europe was proof of that. And Christianity is the one true religion.
There is probably no country in the world where the Catholic faith is such an intrinsic part of the nations history.
Long live Spain, the King and the Catholic faith.
Yeah, supressing Christianity worked well for the Romans too :^)
wait what? china is christian?
>And Christianity is the one true religion.
Until the next one comes along.
>denying the existence of Russell's teapot is irrational
People are stupid. Marxism was a reaction to the betrayal of the masses by monarch and priest. With Marxism failed, the reaction to Communism is return to monarch and priest.
Humans aren't intelligent. Everything different must be good and so the cycle continues. I'm hoping for war. I don't care about ideology but war is cool and death is deserved. Europe especially is a vat of racial suicide so finish it off along with the Balkans. Islam deserves to rule Europe because Euros deserve to suffer and become extinct. Likewise the US needs civil war. Whoever is stronger will win and should slaughter the weak for their weakness.
Slavs really are worse than Muslims
For some people learning, experiencing and achieving things just doesn't fill the void for some reason, they don't appreciate the more plain yet fine parts of life and think there must be something greater.
People who say communism fucked churches are those self-hating retards who immigrate west, change their names to western variations and shit on their former countries to appease their western bulls.
I.e. cucks.
Communism didn't really screw up the faith. I worked in the socialist party (campaign PR, private) and then in the right wing party. The socialists, half of which were literally in the communist party, a lot in highest posts, were 50 times more religious than the right wing people. They donated money (and they are REALLY greedy) to churches all the time and half of them went to pray in a church during campaign, without photos and shit.
My grandma was a stout communist and she was also religious as fuck.
Look at Putin, dude was KGB, he absolutely adores the church.
Sure, on paper communism promoted atheism, but the reality is that the faith became even more important in communism. When the market and competition was taken away, sports, culture and faith became the most important facets of society.
So yeh, as horrible as communism was (and it was) it is grossly exaggerated, especially in terms of faith.
Because of all the evidence (miracles and such).
Whoa careful with that edge Reddit
You just saved that from sthg didn't you?
Now that it's not illegal, people are identifying a market gap and capitalizing on the opportunity. Turns out "give me 10% of your income monthly or you burn in a lake of fire forever" is a surprisingly effective business model.
New Calendar when?
7 days is too much.
Let's just make one big day every weeks:
Megaday.
That picture is so visually pleasing. I'm getting asmr just from looking at all the European culture.
Ya because any Christian Church demands 10% of your income
Don't you have a fedora convention to attend to?
>So can anyone explain to me why former atheist commie countries like China and Russia are becoming more Christian?
Because they tried atheistic socialism and realized it's shit.
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catholics are the ones that are actually jews, that rape babies and molest everyone and worship a man instead of a god.
I can't really tell if you are a troll or what. But, yeah, those miracles totally happened. Because fuck logic and telling everybody "I exist guys, I'm here." and let's do "miracles" that only hardcore believers will see happen.
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yup
Ever increasing taxes and white genocide aren't exactly fulfilling.
But God is not scientiffic. And anyway, most things you belive can not be proven actually. You rely on what others say, you never saw Caesar Augustus with your own eyes for example, you belive that based on faith in what others say. And there's much more evidence for the existance of the supernatural than for that.
Holy shit. I didn't realize I was so starved for European culture. Or maybe my brain is just instinctively drawn to it.
MOAR PLS
No shit.
I am an agnostic and pretty indifferent to religion. Most people aren't and just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean they aren't religious. Have you tried to debate a leftists? Its exactly like debating a bible thumbing young earth creationist christian flat earther.
Do you even know anything about orthodoxy?
I know this because I just dug that out of my old ass Sonic folder and posted it there.
>shitpost about hedgehogs
>get angry about politics
Not only hardocre believers saw miracles, shows how little you know about Christianity.
>those miracles totally happened
You dismiss the evidence they did based on what?
Because it is good for business. China is the most capitslist country in the world, they dont even care about religion
Decades of communism is a harsh, but effective redpill.
Som Phing Wong.
Christianity is the ideological band-aid for the void left by abandoning the communist ideology. It's nor a rise, but a correction to appropriate levels after decades of suppression, it will never get back anywhere near what it was back, neither in scope nor in a zeal. Christianity is used by the government, as it is somewhat compensate for lack of a strong ideological platform, and church is fully controllable.
How do you feel about art? Pic related is by Vasnetsov
>Muh black and white
>Socialism is BAD
>Communism is EVUL
>THE TV TOLD ME SO
It's always fucking annoying when Americans are so sure of themselves on subjects they have no fucking idea about, because some kike made a TV programme telling them so.
Do you even fucking know WHAT socialism and communism in the east was?
Inb4 muh poverty, I mean what the mechanism was, who held the power, how government spending happened, what market regulations there were
Totally burger, us and our morals and values that far predate yours. You should throw us out and replace us with those good ol holy warriors who fanatically follow a creed, where punishment for straying is death by torture and the main creed is to murder you and all your fellow whites and to lie to you.
I mean, look at Europe. Italy and Spain imported Slavs en masse, while England, Germany, Belgium and France took Muslims. And who's more peaceful and calm now, huh?
>church is fully controllable
That's bullshit and you know it. If a patriarch went agains the Orthodox tradition he would no longer be an Orthodox Christian. So how is the church controllable?
Oh please, as if the village priest wasn't as big a figure during communism as he ever has been.
Priest, mayor and the teacher.
It's kind of funny but communism kept eastern Europe more traditional and socially conservative while the west jumped of the cliff of "progressivism"
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I have lots of pictures of painting and beautiful women embracing European heritage. Maybe religious gatherings, I'm not sure what I'm asking for. Something about that OP image just took me back to my days as a child going to mass.
I'll post some of what I have so I don't sound too much like a request fag. Maybe I should just make a European Culture thread.
Yeah they demand money here because the state doesn't fund them
Except progressivism is a derivative of Communism.
no it's not. Progressivism is post-modernism, which developed before communism existed in the real world. It's not an economic philosophy, it's a moral one.
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Western Europe becomes Muslim caliphate.
Russia, China becomes the new guardian of Christendom.
Russia, China launches crusade to retake Western Europe.
Will this timeline ever happen?
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Why is your federal/state government funding any religious organisation? It's supposed to be unconstitutional and for a good reason. Separation of the Church and State is one of the fundamental principles of liberal society!
No bible thumbers making policy decisions about let's say whether its moral to both restrict abortions all while cutting welfare and social services insuring maximized suffering and growth of criminality.
And on the other hand leftists can't force churches to perform gay weddings against their religious creed. Like here in Finland.
We just assume that government isn't pants on head retarded and won't insist on obviously going against Orthodox tradition. Govt and church is in support of each other on most cases, bar few transgression that usually are hushed up.
>if the village priest wasn't as big a figure during communism as he ever has been.
No he was not, at all, period. Also dead, imprisoned, church remodeled for utility building and shitter placed in place of altar room.
Often people don't learn to do good by mimicking good people but by doing the opposite of what bad people do, and so there are totally alienated masses of people in both Russia and China who very recently lived through a communistic atheist hell, and they want to distance themselves from it by doing the total opposite, by doing what they perceive to be the opposite of what the "evil" people wanted.
It's kind of similar to what happens here, we live in totally decadent and nihilistic western societies devoid of any kind of meaning, and so we see that the supporters of the status quo hate Hitler and Nazism more than anything, so we cling to that as a sort of beacon of "goodness" because the evil people hate it.
It's a kind of dialectic, the swinging pendulum which will eventually find an equilibrium somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, in this case the extremes of total atheist nihilism versus total spiritual devotion (evident in many "traditionalist" political and religious movements right now, neopaganism, "rad trad" catholicism, the hard-line protestantism of the tea party movements etc...)
I'm Catholic but I love that Orthodox art style.
tfw you want to go to mass but you there are just going to be a bunch of illegals there and father will probably talk about some cuck save the refugees shit
>We just assume that government isn't pants on head retarded and won't insist on obviously going against Orthodox tradition. Govt and church is in support of each other on most cases, bar few transgression that usually are hushed up.
You write a lot but say nothing of essence. Give me one example where the Orthodox Church in Russia was manipulated by the state to go against Orthodox teachings and preach something heretical.
Because communism sucks so much people want Jesus in their life by when they're done with It.
All according to keikaku.
The are surely some orthodox churches around. I think I heard it's the fastest growind denomination in the US.
What is this?
>hurr fedora
Nice argument
Where the fuck did i say that separation of church and state is not a thing in Russia?
Where did i say that govt pushes church to go against it's teachings?
Are you retarded or what?
Church either approves or stay silent on majority of govt policies, and government supports, protects and endows the church (see: recent hate speech cases, returning the lands and building to the curch, etc). Church will never openly full on go into opposition against the government on it's policies, and ostracizes (No, i don't mean literally drive out) anyone of it's members who will, that the point.
You have a different id but I'm assuming you'r the same guy as before.
>Where the fuck did i say that separation of church and state is not a thing in Russia?
>Where did i say that govt pushes church to go against it's teachings?
Here:
>church is fully controllable
>We just assume that government isn't pants on head retarded and won't insist on obviously going against Orthodox tradition.
Do you have alzheimer of something?
> Church will never openly full on go into opposition against the government on it's policies
Good, it shouldn't be involved in politics.
>and ostracizes (No, i don't mean literally drive out) anyone of it's members who will, that the point.
So what do you mean, some priests will say bad things about some opposition politicians? That's bad but so what? Some people can't stay out of politics but it's not a big deal. Or do you mean anti Putin priests won't be allowed in the clergy? Good, they'r not supposed to get involved.
>Russia is trying to be the Christian Saudi-Arabia
Nonsense
Russia isn't even a religious country.
Re read my post. The state doesn't fund them so they demand money to be a part of the church.
>Russia are becoming more Christian
What do you mean by that? We are not becoming more Christian. Putin supports all major religions because he sees an easy way to make them into an ideological tool. People support them because they believe and it is their tradition... I guess? Pretty obivous.
That's due to the rapid days station of communist countries after Marxist takeover. Russia tried going full atheism and progressive orgies and such, but that backfired so hard that, even after reintroducing faith, they couldn't break the shackles of nihilism. Even to this day the Russians are so fucked because of that surge of atheism and the forced push for progressive ideals.
From what fucking planet, or age, or i don't even know what, you have to be to assume that being controllable means nonexistence of separation of church and state, which is by the way written in the constitution, ffs. Seriously, you have only yourself to blame for such a wild misunderstanding, please don't smear that on me.
Degeneration* not days station
I hate phone posting
>Russia tried going full atheism and progressive orgies and such
Wow, USSR sure sounds fun.
They grow because of persecution.
persecution = grace = more conversions
At least China... Russia is because of the promise at Fatima.
it will be soon
I never actually said there is no separation of church and state, you'r the only one who said that.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Seems to me like you'r trying to avoid a real conversation and hide the fact that there's no manipulation of the church by the state, or at least you ca't give an example.
The orgy part was only for party officials ofcourse. It's not like everybody gets equal part in the fun.
Nothing in modern science or philosophy disproves the existence of God or an afterlife, but many things actually suggest it.
>The universe, including time and space, came from nothing.
How did something come from nothing?
>All human beings are conscious and moral; they are able to choose between right or wrong; the presence of morality and consciousness is therefore the presence of freewill because these imply a choice-making ability
How did supposedly material beings like Humans derive free will and consciousness?
>Evolution requires pre-existing natural conditions on Earth, as well as the presence of self-replicating cells.
How did life arise on earth if self-replicating cells did not exist to begin the evolutionary process?
>The universe is fine-tuned for Human life; the cosmological constant (the energy density of empty space) must be accurate to 120 decimal places (Weinberg) to account for our existence after the Big Bang; if the rate of expansion one second after the Big Bang was smaller by just one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size (Hawking).
How can one reasonably explain these extraordinary unlikely and precise physical rules that are responsible for our existence, as well as the universe's?
Le Athiests can't use their (((science))) to answer or refute these basic questions, yet they smugly dismiss religion and the concept of God.
Yowkay, keep being a good goy.
>I never actually said there is no separation of church and state,
you just clearly showed that being controllable in your mind means no separation of church and state here:
>Give me one example where the Orthodox Church in Russia was manipulated by the state to go against Orthodox teachings and preach something heretical.
And were trying to stick your basic misunderstanding to me.
What i'm trying to tell you, is that whatever government policy on a particular subject is, church is either approves or stays silent. Now, how about YOU give me an example where church universally rallied against something govt did?
Because it sure seems to me like you pooped yourself and now trying to sophistry your way out of embarrassment.
Regardless of whether its bullshit or not, our brains are hardwired for spirituality you fucking autist.
When was Russia not Christian? Difference is that during Soviet Union the churches were taxed and controlled by Stalin and he was better than Jesus. There was no need for too many churches and those who stood were taxed, so country had more money and didn't flush the money down the Israel/Vatican toilet. Do you realize that if you taxed churches now, you would get rid of any crisis, even 20 trillion American debt.
because anglos just want dildos
Because the west has undergone the 68' revolution which was against all tradition and even against the old communist elite. In countries like Russia, Vietnam, China, even Poland communism met overly traditional and conservative still pre- or early-industrial societies.
It's interesting how many similarities Soviet Russia bore to the tsarist predecessor. This is something stronger, deeply rooted even in the corrupted minds of the ideologues, like a genetic memory. Promiscuity was persecuted as a plague to the morale of a glorified working class. In Russia, the collectivisation was nothing abnormal, since the obshchinas in Russian Empire.
In Poland communism was widely rejected as a forced ideology, so in state propaganda that word was rarely brought up instead of socialism. After the WW II when we estabilished our authority over the western territories, the propaganda was depicting it as a return to our Piast roots and old territories.
>Give me one example where the Orthodox Church in Russia was manipulated by the state to go against Orthodox teachings and preach something heretical.
That's what it means to be controllable though, wich you claimed the Church to be.
>What i'm trying to tell you, is that whatever government policy on a particular subject is, church is either approves or stays silent.
So?
>Now, how about YOU give me an example where church universally rallied against something govt did?
They could rally against abortion and such, sure. But in the end that's not the purpose of the Church, it's not to get involved in politics. And when it comes to actual Church matters I never heard about them preaching heresies.
When it comes to politics you need to fix your own problems. Do you want the Church to come and whipe your ass for you as well? Pretty fucking pathetic when people expect priests to lead them in a political struggle.
Most ex-commie countries are becoming less and less religious though.
Don't know how about Russia but their religiousness is strongly tied to their national pride so there's always that upholding the faith.
As for Poland, the Church was the stronghold of opposition during commie times so that gave religion a huge boost.
Now more and more people are turning away from the church thanks to the cuck pope.
Soviet Union didn't totally change Polish laws, it only nationalized the property and gave the keys of controlling companies to workers, instead of bosses. How you managed that was up to you and you sold it all after Socialism and you are now completely under American control, with lower standard than during Socialism, even when you are in EU and getting all the gibsmedats. Soviet Union wasn't United States, you didn't had equality, you had laws specific to culture and country.
>How did something come from nothing?
We don't know yet, but suggesting that a being of self awareness and intelligence, as well as infinite power, came into being some time before time and THEN decided to create the universe is more logical and reasonable than the universe just coming into existence without the middle man is simply idiocy.
>How did supposedly material beings like Humans derive free will and consciousness?
Through a 1 in a million process that, while a rare occurrence, does not prove the existence of a god, much less your particular interpretation of such a thing. In addition, the existence of "free will" and "consciousness" are merely highly advanced processes in the brain, not some sign of divine intervention. You see this the best when the brain is inhibited either by a severe injury or alcohol.
>How did life arise on earth if self replicating cells did not exist to begin the evolutionary process.
Though we cannot say for sure, several scientific studies have shown it to be possible under the right conditions. Conditions shown to be the most probable to have existed on Earth in it's formative years.
>How can one explain these extraordinary unlikely and precise physical rules that are responsible for our existence, as well as the universe's?
Pure chance, and also not proof of a god, much less your god. Since it seems to fly right over your head, allow me to explain it to you. Just because something is said to be unlikely and it had happened isn't proof of it being false. Secondly, the laws of the universe were what lead to our current situation as living breathing creatures. If the laws of the universe were different, then life would have either emerged in a different way or not at all. However, as it has, arguing these points accomplishes nothing to either prove a god, and thus is only used by Creationists with nothing better to do in order to make the opposing side, in this case the atheist, look ignorant.
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>That's what it means to be controllable though
Again, that's your misunderstanding, feel free to stick with it, i don't care.
>They could rally
And get popular support, and draw attention, and get more worshipers, all those good things, but they don't... Very convenient for a govt surprisingly, isn't it? Almost as if they don't want to lose all the sweet gibs govt gives them or something.
Such is a classic tactic favored by Jews, Marxists, and admittedly some atheists. This makes it's usage by hardcore Christians all the more incriminating, putting them on the same level of the men they seek to fight and disprove.
>Le Athiests can't use their (((science))) to answer or refute these basic questions
They can, they have, you just don't want to listen to them because, by admitting your religion has faults in it, you're worldview would lose much of it's power. Please note this is not an insult, but rather an explanation of your thought process on the matter.
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>controllable has this very narrow deffinition that only I use.
Ok buddy, I guess it's my fault for missunderstanding.
>And get popular support, and draw attention, and get more worshipers, all those good things, but they don't... Very convenient for a govt surprisingly, isn't it? Almost as if they don't want to lose all the sweet gibs govt gives them or something.
Ordinary people could also rally, this only shows the moral apathy of the nation, not just of the Church.
As for the Church they are not a political party so you shouldn't expect them to be the driving force for political change, especially since they should stay away from politics anyway. The job they actually have they are doing well as far as I can tell.
>Very convenient for a govt surprisingly, isn't it?
Yah I bet the governent benefits a lot from allowing abortions.
Why are you guys so obsessed with the growing influence of Christian in China? Christian has no influence in China, even in Hong Kong, especially the local internet. In Hong Kong's internet, people even make fun of those people who trust Christian.
Russia never really stopped being Christian.
Some hardline commies tried to suppress it for a little while in the beginning but realized that it just doesnt work and is bound to just piss people off. It was out of the media and government but otherwise a lot of people were still religious.
>trying to be like Christian Saudi Arabia
Not really because Russia has regions with Islam and Buddhism as official religions. Dont think that would fly in Saudi Arabia