Jordan Peterson

>the negative and positive female and male
>there are forces within us
>life is suffering, just suffer goyim!
>young people are shit, fuck you
>don't watch porn people! i-i mean men!
>people NEED to listen to me

why people take this man seriously?

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Clean your synagogue.

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don't you see that this man is a government shill trying to shackle men to mortgages and marriage without questioning the structure of society?

>people NEED to listen to me

no proof = kike trickery

But Peterson does want you to question the structure of society. The sooner you do so, the sooner you come around to his perspective.

I'm not sold on everything he says, but I have to admit that this man managed to drastically influence my life and not for the worse.
I have no clue how he does it, but his way of thinking is truly refreshing. Maybe because I'm a nihilist and was looking for quite some time for someone who can challenge that philosophical dead end.

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Your country will be glass in time.

he doesn't question the institution of marriage which is completely corrupt
most of his messages are conformal as it gets. most of the stuff he is saying is what parents has been saying forever. he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable

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Being a voice of common sense is good enough in times like these though.

I'm a Jew and to see other Jews disparaging marriage makes me sick

Your post probably speaks for the vast majority of Sup Forums. Peterson himself talks about how his audience are 90% male.

he is a persuasive speaker

His shit is full on retarded though but it's the same with any cult leader. He talks like he knows some spiritual secret to life so people want and like that. Humans have been attracted to "easy outs" like spiritualism and religion throughout our history.

i said its corrupt, didn't you hear me?
this is true. i do support traditionalist values. but we cannot have a traditionalist society with high divorce rates. fix what is needed to be fixed first

You Jews have internalized your desire to destroy civilization so much you don't even realize when you're actively doing it anymore.

kys Jew

In recent American history there was still family units, conservatism etc. It didn't stop the country from turning into degenerate shit. The idea that a degenerate country with genocidal leaders like USA will somehow go all "good" because men shackle themselves to being normie divorce-threatened fathers is bullshit.

Anyone buying into the normie taxpayer family shit is buying into garbage.

He explicitly states that there is no easy way out. You have to work and you have to sacrifice. You are a lazy piece of shit and/or a shit.

SEE: A Jordan cultist. Religions and spirituality always use the word hard shit dumbfuck. I'm talking a bout the realization there is no afterlife or God.

Nihilism is contradictory
It's a non argument

Sometimes I really think he might be the father figure I was missing my whole life.

I think you are correct in some superficial way, however that maybe is just what we needed to hear. It's certainly good to question things when you are young, but one day you need to grow up and accept the common values of your society or you will be lost. Peterson has a really good way to explain how those cultural values came to be and why they resonate with us, even though we might intellectually reject them.

I guess it's kinda the same, like with those feminists who embrace islam. On one hand they claim, that they are against male dominance, but in reality deep down they cannot wait to be raped and force married by muslim migrants. It could be considered our duty to dominate those women our self, so that they don't need to invite foreign barbarians.

you are confusing cause with effect
you are not happy to see me, okay
i don't care about what the jews did, im talking my own behalf

>why people take this man seriously?
desperation

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Well he seems to acknowledge that regular guys - not the driven, disagreeable, neurotic ones obsessed with climbing dominance hierarchies - are seriously getting the short end of the stick, and always have.

I would like to see him add some nuance to his prescription to simply swallow one's resentment, buck up and try harder. It does nothing to address the source of the resentment, which is something like the average guy's reaction to his own assessment of the crookedness and corruption of the machinery of the dominance hierarchy itself. There is truth in that assessment and it needs airing in detail.

It also does nothing to address the fact that bucking up and taking on your part in what is increasingly amounting to a scam ends up contributing to it.

I know JBP wants to avoid senseless suffering, and he also seems very aware that resentment is building organically.

I would implore him to speak more of the whole truth. There are stark omissions from his ouevre. I trust he is being circumspect for good reason.

How does that change the nature of existence as being that of suffering and struggle? You're coddled if you think otherwise.

Follow his advice and you will absolutely improve your life. Simple as that

>anyone who isn't an basement dwelling edgelord NEET like me is buying into garbage
Most likely you just don't want to face the reality that you've failed to become the best person you could be for no reason other than your own laziness and apathy.

>implying people being too stupid to care about their families isn't half the problem in the first place

this is so beta

There are millions of "good dad" types who worked hard and payed taxes. Those people had even higher percentages of the population 40 years ago when good middle class jobs existed. It didn't save society or stop it from degenerating.

It's a complete lie to presume that returning to 40 years ago socially will somehow fix things. That set of variables existed to get to today's degenerate society. Jordan's philosophy is cucked and stupid. He is using a tried and true easy out method of influence. Ask some 45 year old dude with a divorced wife and 3 kids he hardly sees how that ends up in modern society.

op you are dishonest and you frame peterson in a dishonest way because you're a loser.

then let's purify it again, dolt. If fags, feminists changed it, we can too. Stop being defeatist.

So tell me. If every white person or good person in the west just works hard at their shitty jobs will that save the West? It's a bullshit lie from peterson.

I challenge anyone here to summarize his core thesis
*protip, you can't*
Why can't you sum up his beliefs? Because they are an incoherent tangle of banal platitudes, quotes from movies, and ridiculous analogies about lobsters and dragons.
Jordan Peterson is a nutcase that belongs in a mental institution.

>he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable
Because he's not a Jew. Only in the twisted minds of your people and those under their rhetorical influence is it necessary to make the unaccptable acceptable and vice versa

Good points.

>nature of existence
Yes, the underlying pattern to existing is to not die, which means you have to survive. This spiritualism extrapolated from it is retarded.

Yes he does retard.

>It's a complete lie to presume that returning to 40 years ago socially will somehow fix things.

why not?
he has good intentions, im not saying he scams anyone. he is extremely smart, much more than i am. but he is missing some points.
im not an advocate of critical theory. i just want to explain how things that used to work can't work again because of new barriers

>Failed to become the best person you could be
This is such self-help mumbo jumbo. Why do you think I want or desire any of those things?

>guy looks at social decline
>decides to try and convince people to be more conscientious and dependable instead of sitting around whining and inhaling sugar like a bunch of adult babies
>"huurrr this motherfucker juz wants me to get a jawb nigga I ain't doin' that illuminati wage slave sheeeit"

literally the mentality of an edgy 13-year old boy

It simply won't work. Even keeping nationalism alive is on the edge of falling apart. Western nations are being destroyed worse than even WW2 or WW1 right now.

He presents archtypes, which weak people fear because they don't measure up and don't have the stones to do self-work.
Now go clean your room.

Maybe you're just retarded. There's nothing spiritual about what he's talking about. It's mostly just common sense.
His references to Christianity mostly have to do with tradition, family and community, and how secularism as an ideology has failed to fill the void.

i wonder who could be oh wait

Yes and through shared values and community, people establish a system that improves the lot of the whole and on enough through subsequent generations. Then overeducated intellectuals divorced entirely from the state of nature show up and ruin it all.

you and everyone else can throw all the shit in the world at him and not a single atom will stick. but keep trying, bucko

>hurr society is declining in every meaningful way and degenerated.
>your nations are spending more energy and resources replacing you
>media and culture is turning against white people

Just work harder shitters. Anyone buying this is a retard.

He is disguising the degeneration/destruction of western society with some moral shit of the plebes. The plebes had no control of what is happening unless they actually got pissed and rebelled hard enough. Being a good normie is not that.

He's a Canadian you schmuck. Not even a remotely credible jewish lie.

Are you that much of a drone that you can't see how being responsible in general has uses other than your job? You're literally arguing in favour of being a bitter lazy piece of shit.

people elected trump based on a culture shift. you wouldn't elect a business shark if he didn't present new ideas and approaches

>It's a complete lie to presume that returning to 40 years ago socially will somehow fix things.
It's not about returning to 40 years ago. It's about returning to the standards that have been practised throughout most of history.

Fuck you you snarky piece of shit. Commie kikes are the fucking worst, you are the plague killing this world, and while I don't hate jews in general, I'd gladly gas every single one of you. Altho religious kikes also suck because they enable you.
As that other fag said, you've internalized the commiekike agenda so much you don't realise what you're doing.

>he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable

You gave yourself away there. Fuck you and fuck your kind. At some point, god, karma or nature will get you.

> the institution of marriage which is completely corrupt
You won't be getting anywhere here whore, may every woman you meet abort your offspring and give you disease in return.

I don't want to debate over the exact definition of the word, because there are different interpretations of it and I don't really care.

I personally stopped believing in gods or any kind of magic at around 12. At the beginning, like many atheist, I claimed that "being good" doesn't need a god and that our values are simply part of humanity (basically what humanism claims). However when I grew older I started to think that it's all basically meaningless. To some extend we behave, because there are laws and other people who would kill you if you acted all out, but if there are no universal rules, basically anything could be considered acceptable.

The problem with this kind of thinking is, that even though it might be true on a outsider (outside humanity) perspective, it certainly isn't true for humanity itself. Our values probably really emerged together with our culture and are to some degree hard coded inside of us. Peterson didn't invent these ideas himself, he is highly influenced by people like Jung, dostoevsky, Nietsche and others. These aren't religious people and neither is Peterson. I highly doubt that he is even partaking in any religious rituals. He basically uses god as some kind of metaphor for the truth inside us and I kinda like that way of thinking.

You are way to fixated on the marriage thing. I won't marry myself, hell I can't even imagine having a girlfriend. But this doesn't mean that we can't improve ourself and start rebuilding our fucking culture, which truly is a fucking privilege to have. If we don't stop with our hedonistic way, we will destroy it all for good and have a very shitty rest of our lifes.

>You won't be getting anywhere here
i know that. because its your best interest not to piss off your precious white woman and their sacred alter of divorce and abortion

He's preaching old-school, conservative values that used to be universal on both sides of the political spectrum a generation or two ago, something a lot of young men really need to hear in this day and age. I grew up in a traditional family and my childhood could have been right out of an American 1950s ad, but there are a lot of young men who didn't have that luxury.

No I'm not. I'm arguing that saying go be normies is not viable. People have to be politically involved and the reality of what is going on has to be spread.

Let's take it through a simple logical example. 50%+ of jobs will be replaced by AI in the next say 30 years. Globalism wants American people to be the same as African people in wealth and in general society is turning anti-white.

so tell me exactly what does middle class existence trajectory lead to? Sometime soon a machine will replace you and you are left with UBI or some similar thing. Which will be globalized. So all your work turns into what?

It's similar to Americans or say Germans who worked hard to build up a society or for society and some muslim shits who hate them get free housing and welfare.

I see zero point to invest into a society that essentially is going no where and not going to reward or even care about citizenship vs non citizenship. Hence I'll work an easy, high $ / low time job and focus on other things than materials.

This society from all my intuition is not going to reward it's citizens for work and with the coming insane era of AI there is basically no point unless you are going to become a millionaire / billionaire to expect anything other than the same as niggers who sit in ghettos acting like animals.

Because it wont induce men into an institution where they will be motivated to increase their income, therefore won't be contributing to the tax based that your fellow kike brothers feed off of?

Stop watching porn

>how secularism as an ideology has failed to fill the void.

This right here. It's foolhardy to think that society can survive without a replacement for Christianity.

No one should watch porn, but at the same time he's not wrong when he says that only men are people. The rest are degenerates that have to be led by men, else society falls ill.

absolutely this

Your last point there about automation gets at what I'm saying- what Peterson's saying isn't just 'be dilligent in your toll booth attendance', it's that you just need to be responsible to be in any way useful, the same could apply to being politically engaged like you say- an activist ir whatever who works hard and knows what he's talking about is worth any number of sign-waving SJW dupes just taking the easy road. And what about when nobody works like you say? Do we just sit down and shit ourselves forever or deal with it and find something else to live for?

it's too vague.

>be useful
no duh. but what super-organism are you being useful for? If you hate globalism and the current direction of society why would you essentially toil to become a "good tax paying" citizen in it?

Globalism is mass genocide of culture and an abandonment of any reward for work. Tell me why a German citizen would want to pay taxes when the money is going to someone who would happily murder them?

The good thing is that his ideology breeds conservative women which see their job in breeding the next and capable generation.

This is the foundation of the right steps towards the future.

Africa/Population
1.216 billion

Asia/population
4.436 billion

European/population
743.1 million

good luck with incrementalism, 3 generations from now it's going to be like 30% white in Europe.

The problem is Christianity is pretty much done for. It's too fucking weird and doesn't make sense anymore. We need to invent some kind of new cyber religion. Maybe Kekism is the first step, but I'm certain the hivemind can come up with something even more sophisticated. Maybe it is time to start at the beginning again and have something similar to Shinto, with many cool gods to choose from and if you are not happy with them you can make up your own and present them to others in nice festivals with booze and sweets.

>he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable
could you BE any more jewish

I'm just repeating myself but you don't have to be a 'good tax-paying citizen', even if you decide to become a masked anticapitalist bomber you still have to have your shit together to get anywhere. 'Useful' doesn't mean 'useful working for the post office', it means 'useful because you can actually carry out your intent instead of sitting around feeling hard done by'. And yeah that is vague as fuck but I'm only shitposting, I'm not Nietzsche

>No one should watch porn
okay lets assume i agree.
now, what is your point against masturbation or porn? is it superficial? yes. is it degenerate? yes. but nofap is means to a no end. what are you accomplishing with nofap? and futhur more how can you convince incels with no gf to stop watching porn and pump iron (which in return will give them blue balls and make them even more depressed)

This. The work to be done is not just in a single sphere. Whether it's in the political, academic, or economic realms, western men have to put in the effort. Peterson knows where his battle lies and is just asking for help.

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>It does nothing to address the source of the resentment...

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about. You DON'T address the resentment. Not at all. Rather, you work to further it.

Alinsky said it best that you have to "rub the resentment raw."

Instituting National Socialism isn't going to happen if we make things BETTER. You need to work to make people MORE resentful, not LESS RESENTFUL.

I love when shills of all flavor say they hate a guy because he doesn't tackle their pet issue. Like every useful idea has to solve this one problem you see.

No. He's not out to fix marriage. He's not out to fix gender relations.

His goal, as far as i can see, is to re-orient the young men of our generation towards building a positive image for themselves, and therefore a positive society.
He's promoting the primary virtues that civilization is based on. Of course this is good. Of course we should promote him.

To some degree. There is also the aspect of perception. I'm not pessimistic, depressed, or unhappy. The point simply is that "blue pilled" acceptance of things is the absolute worst state of being. You become the plebe toiling in the field.

>His goal, as far as i can see, is to re-orient the young men of our generation towards building a positive image for themselves, and therefore a positive society.

Here's how you do that...

>youtube.com/watch?v=LEFfnZUq3io

Why don't you join a local militia or care for your elderly or whatever. We can't set your goals for yourself. If you reflect for yourself you will certainly find something where you can be useful. If you are unhappy with the current society, why not try to change it. If you really don't find anything at all and feel completely powerless, why don't you start by cleaning up your fucking room. Then start working out, eating healthy. Make friends and maybe even get a gf. If you hate your job, maybe try something new or start your own business. It's really not that hard and I guarantee that it at least somewhat improves your life.

ITT people that don't get "worker culture" is just a way to keep people enslaved.

young men have nothing to do with society. matter of fact your government maliciously do things to hurt your citizens like mass immigration and destructive policies.

if swedan is so informed about migrants now. why the fuck didn't the swedish government sent all the skinshits their way home on boats? government is not "people's people"

abdul gets it

Yeah, no disagreement there. I still believe in doing a good job or not doing it at all, but that's just my perspective. I'm not going to debase myself doing a half-arsed job cleaning toilets like 'nyeeeh that's show em I put the roll on the wrong way round', I'd rather just quit and be poor. If I don't mind doing something to begin with I might as well do it properly rather than being lazy and resentful.

>the jew will never be content, he has the impulse to subvert everything that is giving a positive reinforcement to the goyim

i despise people who say jews were just a scapegoat. you deserved everything, OP.

>Here's how you do that...
Well that wouldn't work in the modern age. You need a message that is independent of race as such.
And look: he's talking about it when he says to revere your father. He's not being specific to whites or Europeans.... He's appealing to something more basic.

this

Lol, yeah man, why would you wanna be anything other than a loser?
Fucking pathetic.

Today's young men are tomorrows politicians. Society's biggest problem today is a lack of moral character. A lack of a unifying ethic. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground level.

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Yes. Hunters and gatherers 15,000 ago were just doing the bidding of the international banking cartel of the time.

Things that used to work still work. We just won't implement them because we aren't at a point yet where people get tired of "challenging accepted norms" and seeing the disasterous results to rediscover those accepted norms. We're just at the beginning of the descent into a dark age.

t. communist faggot.

>muh fatcats
>muh class warfare

divide and conquer bullshit.

Not really my point. You either aim for upper class or easiest possible job. I'm talking about "hard good workers".

Because you've over simplified his points and now I'm going to double down on understanding his life philosophy.
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>I see zero point to invest into a society that essentially is going no where and not going to reward or even care about citizenship vs non citizenship. Hence I'll work an easy, high $ / low time job and focus on other things than materials.

This is something that most people don't factor into their equations. Many people need to have a society worth investing in before they'll even invest in themselves.

What Peterson does is try to call forward some sort of superhuman who can make up his own values and meta-narrative, but that is dogshit. It doesn't work.

What? Messages based on race seem pretty effective imo.

>Messages based on race seem pretty effective imo.


They are. He just wants you to hate others and yourself for being white.

the migrant crisis happened nearly a decade ago. where are all the young parties? oldest millennials are fucking 30 now
the government shouldn't do such things without consensus. there was no consensus with the migrant issue, ever. people agreed to help migrants but the government siphoned people from Africa and put them in big cities everywhere

fpbp

Because he just wants people to take control of their own lives. Lead by action instead of this I'm a victim so listen to me garbage. His view is one that is greatly lacking in society, that's why people are listening to him