De Facto German colony

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>mfw the Greek bailouts remain politically toxic in Germany, and any agreement involving debt forgiveness would be seen domestically as an admission the rescue effort had failed — and at the German taxpayers’ expense.

>mfw gone are the days when talk of “Grexit” (Brexit’s forgotten sire) triggered a nervous tick across financial traders’ faces.

I am so angry that my country is in this state and is being disrespected by all of you, you just cannot imagine. I do not want to beg for gibs no more, I am sick and tired of all the money-politics games that are being played while my country is being held hostage and made to pay for unending cycles of bailouts. Other EU countries will follow our path soon, it is written.

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Gregorios, if you can't pay denbts just sack some turkish territory

Pay detnbs Papadopoulos, we need to pay Ahmed and Mbumbos benefits

>Borrowing money and thinking you don't have to pay it back
>Letting yourself ever think that Germany had abandoned its goal for Euro domination.

They just had to do it through economic means. Now you're a German colony. Deal with it.

>made to pay for unending cycles of bailouts

Germany will never agree to debt relief because than other countries will ask for the same treatment, like Ireland, Spain and Portugal for instance. Problem is this is actually the right solution instead of austerity but Germany and France will never allow it. Its not a good thing to have a huge trade or government budget surplus either, surplus countries need debtors. If it wasn't for the Greek bail out than Germany's big banks would have collapsed most likely and Germany being the ruler of Europe would never allow that to happen.

It's the sad sad truth but I just can't stand being disrespected. It would have been better to collapse as an economy and get back on our feet after 5-6+ years than this whole thing.

Stephanaculous are fucked, pay up bitchez.

Would be better for all of us, except too-big-too-fail banks.
I'm feeling you greek bro, the German and EU leadership make me want to get out the ol' guillotine.

Muh glorious Mediterraneans

It's not about being disrespected. It's about setting an example as the Eurogroup to the other countries. Namely, change your Economies according to our model meaning getting more productive by lowering wages instead of using inflation as you used to rely on. Greece is doomed for generations. You should have kept Varoufakis in charge.

Good thing us and our glorious ally America have military bases all over Europe. Making sure those Krauts get BTFO instantly should they decide to fuck with us again.

As a greek, what are your thoughts on the Golden Dawn party?

They won't, they're in NATO and have found a better way of putting their will on Europe, economical dominance.

Find your guillotine, I am grabbing my gun.

When Tsipras first got cucked he just kicked Varoufakis out of the equation. That's how cucked my country is right now and it's the fucking worse. Day of resistance when?

Didn't Varoufakis quit on his own terms because the Greeks voted YES for a bailout by the Eurogroup? Or was it because the Greek banks were held hostage?

Too much hassling for nothing, meaning that they make a lot of noise without actually contributing. Almost close to Antifa levels of violence without meaning, it's like they want to trigger the public opinion just for the fuck of it. Although nowadays quite a few people do support them but they hide their true power level.

They are the openly vouching though that they will stop the refugee influx but you know...Tsipras promised that he would get us out of the EU and did nothing. They are even less serious so how can I take them seriously? I believe that if they weren't scaring people away they would have many many more votes generally. They really could

We have bought you honestly.

pay denbts.

>Didn't Varoufakis quit on his own terms because the Greeks voted YES for a bailout by the Eurogroup?

Tsipras actually called him to his office and they had a dispute over how to handle things, Varoufakis wanted to do things differently and further challenge the EU and bargain etc.

Tsipras had already started backing away from challenging anyone anymore, he got scared of the economic consequences of leaving the EU, so word on the street is that he simply kicked Varoufakis out of the party. Of-course the media made it look like he left on his own terms but that wasn't the real case.

Show yourself Europe-fag

I am sad for greece also bro. A once great nation, now reduced to the degeneracy of communistic marxist ideas.

I see alot of vids on greece, and so much 'anarchists' and 'communists' are everywhere running rampant in the streets. It is a fucking shame. Greek bros stand up and start a militia or something.

Surprise.

Greeks voted for Grexit basically. He had to either turn greece into somalia for the next 50 years, or agree despite what the Greeks voted for, which would hurt his reputation. So he quit and blamed Tsipras for pussying out.

A wild ahmed appears.

>I am sad for greece also bro. A once great nation, now reduced to the degeneracy of communistic marxist ideas.
People get desperate in desperate times you know. I can't blame them for hoping for a better future even if the one they believe isn't the right one.

>I see alot of vids on greece, and so much 'anarchists' and 'communists' are everywhere running ramant in the streets

These people know they have no future whatsoever in current day Greece and will not have one for the next 30 years at least. Again they get so desperate even anarchism looks better than the current situation.

*Sorbian

My people have lived longer in Germany than Germans.

dooooooooooooooooooooo ittttttttttttttttttt

Wew lad

left ideolgy is what put them in that situation in the first place. calling for more left ideology is just making things worse. Literally, left ideology is the shared misery of the people equally.

nationalism is the only cure for such things. whatever happend to golden dawn?

You mentioned that many are now supporting the party, could you see them being a serious contender in you next national elections?

While it's true what you are writing, Germany didn't create this situation on purpose, but was sorta dragged into it.

What are you talking about? EU just confirmed another € 8,5 billion for Greece

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Bassically Greece gets free money from the EU so it can continue making payments to the EU

Germany knew damn well that that Greece wasn't going to be able to pay it back themselves before the bailout plan. The biggest creditors of Greece are both Germany and France and they are the ones that refuse debt relief because it would affect them negatively even though they know that debt relief is the only solution for the Greece problem. The debt to GDP ratio just keeps on rising and rising, foreign investment in Greece is nothing and is decreasing every day because there is no trust in a better future.

>He had to either turn greece into somalia for the next 50 years

Leaving the Eurozone would drastically lower your purchasing power ... but so did staying in the Eurozone. It's a desperate situation.

It's not free. It's still a loan. It's a loan that will be used to repay other loans.

Not yet leaf-bro, not yet. As I mentioned above, they are gaining momentum since they have something to build upon and argue since the refugee influx happened.
Now since leftist ideology is still quite ingrained in a large number of Greeks I do not believe that they could be a serious contender yet.You will be branded and pointed out if you mention that you support GD out in the open by other Greeks

BRAAAAP

But Germany is a de facto globalist colony, so you are actually under globalist NWO rule.

Nationalism isn't an economic model, retard. What you probably mean is fascism, state-management of the economy, which is, actually, more of a left wing idea, and it offers no solution whatsoever to Greece's problem or any country because everywhere is locked into global markets.

At the point we knew that Greece needs a bailout, our government started acting immorally, that's true.
What I meant is that we couldn't foresee how Southern Europe would trap itself in a debt spiral.

It's true what you're saying. But that doesn't make it right to punish Greece for your bad judgement on a bad investment namely Greece or southern European countries. The banks in Germany get bailed out for having made bad decisions while Greece stays bleeding on the ground.

>how Southern Europe would trap itself in a debt spiral
Should have never been let in and things might be way less of a mess for everyone.

Greece is slowly dying out and this is happening to the whole Balkan with each passing year and we are next.
Touche.

It's free

De eurogroep keurde de nieuwe uitbetaling goed nadat de baas van het Internationaal Monetair Fonds (IMF), Christine Lagarde, deelname van het IMF aan het Griekse steunprogramma had beloofd, onder voorwaarde van -> toekomstige schuldverlichting

Portraying it as if we were the only creditors is wrong, as well. We're only one of several main creditors in Greece and Ireland and actually play a very minor role in the Italian or Spanish bond markets.
I would also argue that both credits and debtors made bad decisions. Like, no one forced the Greeks to take so many loans.

> while my country is being held hostage and made to pay for unending cycles of bailouts.

wwwwait wait wait. See whos failt is it, that u greeks threw your money out with open arms and ran into dept like idiots ?
Germay's or Greeks ? The answer is Greek(s politicias ).
Aktually it's pretty kind of whoever, if they lend u money ( and stupid, since : see what u did before ).

nevertheless, stop poiting fiders at EU's or Germans or whoever people.
Point it at the real source of the problem : politicians. It's not the people; not your's, not other coutries.
the problem is AAAAALLLLLWWWAAAYS the same : politicians.

( and just fyi : i hate and spit o EU, Merkel,... and ALL politicians; THEY steal and waste OUR money.
So pls ret the problem right. So u will also get the soolutio right )).

Greetings

We wouldn't even need those bases tbqh
Hold them off for 48 hours so the US fleet could mobilize and we win

Wat is die Geert ook eigenlijk echt een onbenul op het gebied van economische zaken zeg.

germany is a colony of the usa.

Italy was a founding member and Greece one of the early members of the EU as well.
What you mean is probably the Eurozone, though. Whoever enters the EU is also guided to enter the Eurozone as well.

I agree with you, I have no faith in politicians whatsoever. I loathing the whole political scene but I keep coming back to it. More people need to be awakened.

>the Eurozone
yep that's I meant.
How do you see the chances of European countries returning to their old currencies in the future?

Probably the Euro crashing one day...

>My people have lived longer in Germany than Germans.

Did they thaw out of the glaciers after the ice age?

I wish my country can collapse so we can finally get a chance to get on our feet and along with everyone else to give them a huge middle finger, you are welcome to join us. I would be glad

Your literal only option is to go full Hitler. Not gas Jews necessarily, but cut yourself off from the global economy, make the necessary domestic changes to provide for your own food, clothing, and construction, then use a new currency backed by not much besides nationalism and cultural celebration to create a modern industry that makes money and train your work force.

Put on a facade of Helenistic traditionalism or whatever instead of fascism.

This is going to happen before or after we get invaded by every other country surrounding us?
Burger please....

Extremely low. This would require:
1. Around five years (optimistic estimate) of law and digital infrastructure adjustments, since the ECB is deeply ingrained in every monetary operation, which is mostly digital. It took us years to adopt this currency, and it will take years to drop it.
2. MASSIVE, UNIMAGINABLE capital flight into the remaining strong Euro countries, like Germany and the Netherlands. Since absolutely no investor wants his lifetime savings to be converted into Drachma or Lira, which will devalue into oblivion the first day they're announced.
3. Bankruptcy. With a currency that's weak and constantly dropping against the Euro, it'll be (even more) impossible to repay the debt denominated in Euros. Bankruptcy means you won't get any foreign currency as a loan or exchange anytime soon, since your obligations are worth nothing.
4. This, in turn, means that the bankrupt state won't be able to buy anything to abroad. The end for the Italian industry, which imports most of its energy and raw materials. Catastrophic for Greece, which imports almost anything necessary for survival.

This is what Tsipras feared, ultimately. It would turn Greece into Albania.

Yes, well I mean National Socialism to be honest.

Germany was in the shit after ww1, look at what Hitler did for the people there.

The reason you don't get a cut is because the market would shit itself like back in 2008... muuuh our ritch vulture fond which bought this bond at 5% will never buy European bonds again.... Portugal and Spain would once again get butt fucked with ridiculous interest..

So please Greece... just suffer a little more so the rest of the west can pretend everything is fine for some moments more....

LoL ask your finance minister he's even more rabid about this issue than schäuble.

he is talking shit

while it is true that Sorbs live for a very long time in Germany they actuall came with the slavic migration phase which started in the 6th century

meanwhile the germanic migration in modern Germany started probably around 1000 BC

dont destroy my truth

If you love Europe,you hate EU.
Period.
Bankers and politicinans knew this would have happened,they made greece enter EU with tricks.
fuck the eu

Germany eternally BTFO, U.S. & U.K. bases all over your country!!!! wewewewewlad!

I don't agree with Dijsselbloem either if you are saying that.

>look at what Hitler did for the people there.
Got them killed?

Hitler was the Man Against Time. Expecting or even wanting a repetition of that mad, crazy, impossible dream is retarded. The US is a military-state serving the interests of its multinational corporations, and the EU is diplomatically the same thing. The reason Hitler is impressive is because he almost accomplished a miracle by defying finance and bankers, so to say Greece should do the same you might as well recommend they use alchemy to turn their debt into bars of gold.

Based Italy, well spoken and checked

Greece entered with falsified numbers and an artificially lower debt created by Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs actually bought Greek bonds knowing they were crap and insured against them at AIG making huge profits. Goldman Sachs is not the one to blame for this crisis, but definitely one who extended it for an unnecessary amount of time.

I just don't like it how other northern Europeans hide behind us even though their stance on Greece is the same or worse.

checked

Germans wanted to prolong the alignment phase for Greece... because of their structural deficits.... Great Britain, France and the Us pushed for fast tracking the process..

Greece is actually a lost cause.

There are of course good, intelligent , hard working Greeks but most of them move out of this shithole because it is not worth it.

My half-greek uncle started a business there and failed because he often did never see the money from greek clients. He later moved to Germany and opened up another store, this time a tattoo shop and he is flourishing. He said it would have never worked that way in Greece.In Germany people pay in advance if you know that you are good, in Greece you can be glad if you get paid at all.

It is filled with corruption and nepotism and the majority of peoples there lived for decades under the illusion that having huge private debts will have no consequences in the future. I was there many times before the real crisis started, lots of people bought brandnew german cars like they think they could afford it and mimic richer western countries.

Now that the crisis hits them hard, many act like it is Germanys fault for all the misery while the nucleus of the problem was greek actually.

Once again, I feel bad for the righteous, hardworking Greeks but I feel not too much pity for those who contributed to this mess.

Had it not been for war they would have been great. I am talking pre ww2. Hitler made the economy amazing. The people had a purpose in life. Everyone was happy and reclaimed themselves after the treaty of versaille and the treatment of germans in general after ww1.

NatSoc doesn't have to involve war, remember. It was France and England who declared war on Germany. It was self defense facist bro.

The 'invasion' of austria and western poland was only to reclaim the ethnic germans, austria complied and endorsed Hitler, it was not an invasion. As for Poland, the polish government was persecuting and killing ethnic germans because of ww1. Hitler told them to stop, or give them back their ethnic Germans. Poland did not stop, and continued persecuting them.

The war was in self defense.

Wow...ok. So in other words they got themselves trapped real good. It's either slow death or instant total crash.

It's a crash for any could try daring to leave the EU or Eurozone. The only reason why the UK takes so long to leave the EU and why they got that fine is to set an example for other countries of what happens when you leave the European Union.

It's not. There just is no easy solution.

That's a silly line of thought. Should we simply give up on the world because it's unfixable and let everybody live in Germany?

Ecb baught many Greek bonds... they could void them. This would still lead to moral hazard and is technically illegal.

should have said for short term

so at least for the next 10-20 years will be very hard for Greece

Heads up. Devils aiming at the sky.

Rolling

But the thing is is that that's the only thing that will create more trust in Greece as an economy for foreign investors. The only solution will be debt relief and everyone knows it. It's already not able to pay back the debt currently and the debt keeps on rising. Within 5 years the debt to GDP ratio will be 200%

He said hard-working greeks. Don't see why anyone would want to live in a country where everyone's trying to fuck you over.

You know what's good for a shitty economy

War

Start a war with a shitty country like Albania or Malta or something and watch those dollars flow in

Make Greece Great Again

We have hopped on the train and the next station is the EU, unfortunately. I just hope we won't do the same mistakes you did aswell. You Greeks really need to upstart something, I hate to see you slowly bleed out.

This is not true. The only profitable war is one you fight not on your own territory or close to it.

Albania,if they attack malta we have to intervene.
i don't want to attack greece (last time retarded decision were taken)

French banks had the biggest exposure to Greek bonds followed by Italy.... However the crater PNB parisbas would have created would have fucked European banking for good...

the rescue measures where forced not asked by greecs nor their goverment.
Germany literally fucked you in the ass to rescue their banks.

Obviously. But again, German and French banks were already showing signs of moral hazard by lending Greece so much money even though they knew Greece wasn't able to pay them back. If Europe came together and bailed Greece out, France and Germany would have been saved, but Greece wouldn't have gotten any further. Just debts going from one place to another but the end situation remains the same. But yet no one is punishing BNP Paribas or Deutsche Bank for these malpractices.

I was just hoping that an agreement would not be met during the referendum days and we would have to leave on our own, or get kicked out. Whatever worked best, did not happen in the end

When is the Eurozone bound to crush considering more Brazil-tier economy tier countries will join?

There are other solutions... we could just throw money at them.their econ is smaller than that of the federal state Saarland.... but their has to be some restructuring of the EU and greece..

you and whole southern and Eastern Europe are german slaves

I'm spending 3 weeks in Greece in August, how many women could I buy for 100 euro in cash money

>pirate
are you british?