>1984: getting stomped on the face forever is bad >BNW: sex drugs and rock n roll is bad One is a moral that literally everyone agrees with, the other is a moral that is mocked more and more every generation. 1984 is about the Soviet Union and Communism, And while Communism can bring some truly horrible times we know that in the long run it doesn't last and most Post-Communist countries are nationalistic and conservative. BNW is about America and Capitalism, Capitalism gives you bread and circuses but the long term damage it's done will never be fixed, partially because most people have been turned into such degenerates that they revel in the destruction.
Is it any wonder that Western Media puts so much focus on 1984 while ignoring Brave New World?
Huxley was MKULTRA doctor with Gordon Wasson this book wasn't a fucking warning it was a blueprint. Orwell was a fabian socialist too.
Jace Walker
For the love of God, Give me some Soma!!!
Nicholas Gomez
What's your point?
Thomas Lopez
I read BNW right after I read 1984 so I was able very accurately compare the two, I feel like BNW is slightly less praised than 1984 because 1984 felt more surreal and dystopian to people
Christian Scott
>Sex drugs and rock n roll is bad
Always felt like Huxley was writing about the world he would like to live in.
Owen Wilson
lets have a conversation
do you think BNW was an utopia or dystopia? state your reasoning
Blake Anderson
1984 is basically a history book of the Soviet Union with some of the names changed. Meanwhile when BNW came out G. K. Chesterton among others mocked it as pure fantasy. So I'm kinda having trouble believing people thought 1984 was more surreal.
Justin Allen
>Always felt Maybe if you actually used your brain and read some of the stuff Huxley wrote you'd know things instead of feeling them.
Austin Long
I want to read 1984 and BNW. Is it worth it? Can I have the quick rundown before I buy?
Jacob Lewis
If you really wanted to read them, you wouldn't be asking for cheatcodes.
Jonathan Rodriguez
He's right though. Huxley was a massive degenerate.
Josiah Foster
What do you have to lose by reading classics? Go to the library asap
Nolan Perry
Oh cmon now, just give some idea what to expect.
Brayden Murphy
They need to be read. I read both in my teens. Cannot explain, must be experienced.
Sebastian Reed
1984 was the future, BNW is the future.
Jeremiah Evans
>What is spark notes 1984 I thought was a decent read. Never read BNW. Time. I read Atlas Shrugged and wanted to claw my eyes out. So fucking boring. Same with Stoker's Dracula.
Adam Scott
Definitely a utopia. Anyone who thinks otherwise forgets humans are just biological machines
Neurosis is non existant. No depression or anxiety
No murders, no pain, no suffering, no crying out to god asking for help that will never come
Everyone is born with an actual definable purpose in life and your brain is wired from birth to enjoy your existence
You can literally fuck any beautiful girl you want just by asking.
Everyone is ceremonially executed at age 60 in a massive happy drug overdose. There is no pain and no dealing with the senile
Ryder Brown
I kinda agree. But it depends on one's thoughts about the reality. "Is perception reality?" If the answer is yes, indeed it's a utopia. If the answer is no, it's not.
If I was a citizen in BNW, I won't deny I would be happy as fuck, live a happy life and stop existing. But if someone outside of BNW universe observed the planet, he might have considered the entire planet as a soulless dystopia.
Also I believe sadness births happiness and hope. Can someone be truly happy without experiencing sadness(the sole reason of art)? If it's programmable in some degree, I'm ok with that.
Jacob Williams
No wonder to me, they are using it. But the thing is that the societal breakdown is a combination of both. On one hand we have the BNW conclusion of that which you love kills you, and then the whole control over thought, and accepted speech, and behavior. The media is indoctrinating people into both system simultaneously, more so in recent times. So in conclusion we are in a BNW84.
Michael Russell
calicuck here: both books were went into high school ban back in ~2007
Ryan Walker
I read BNW when I was 17 or so, and I have always maintained that it is FAR more important than 1984, because it FAR more accurately describes the world we're living in.
But the reason it's not more popular with plebs is because BNW indicts THEM. It is telling them that they are lazy pieces of shit who indulge themselves with movies, masturbation, pornography, and other mindless pursuits.
1984 allows them to blame "DA GUBBERMINT" for all their problems.
That's why 1984 is more popular.
Jace Gomez
Here's a great passage from Neil Postman, an American author and critic, on the two books. It sums them up perfectly really.
>What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. >Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumble puppy. >As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists, who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny, “failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.” >In 1984, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that our desire will ruin us. From this book: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death
Postman, like me, thought that "the contemporary world was better reflected by Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, whose public was oppressed by their addiction to amusement, than by Orwell's work, where they were oppressed by state control." (quote from that Wikipedia link).
Of course he's absolutely right. Indulgence is what enslaves and pacifies the population today.
Josiah Jenkins
I wanted to live there. Bernard was a cuck and should've given Lenina the dick. I didn't like how it ended
Alexander Morris
No it's no wonder. Anclaps need to be shot into space on Elon Musks defective McRockets. And if you don't post with your country flag you have been dazzled by kike mods to abandon your roots.
William Lewis
don't forget to read brave new world REVISTED once you are finished
Jeremiah Green
>Bernard was a cuck and should've given Lenina the dick. I didn't like how it ended
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Brandon Rivera
1984: population controlled by thought police and war footing BNW: population controlled by desire for sex, drugs, entertainment, vacations