Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
It's all fun and games until you got to give your lunch to your classmates.
Luke White
First for fuck Marxist leninists >Having a state Kys
Connor Mitchell
take your dancelessons leftside!
>better dead then red
Jace Jenkins
How's Venezuela doing???
Nathan Flores
Yuri Bezmenov already had Marxism BTFO
get with the times douche
Tyler Jackson
Fuck off lefty pol
Easton Morgan
It's a state meant to gradually self-dissolve dummy.
Asher Howard
At this point you may as well call it shitposting general.
Joshua Myers
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Zachary Green
Why do people keep making these threads? Everyone in them is shitting on communism so it seems counterproductive
Cooper Jones
Proponents of capitalism argue that the real living standards of those on low pay are better raised by allowing the whole economy to grow. As it grows, those at the bottom of the social heap will benefit from wealth that ‘trickles down’ from the top. The falsity of this argument can be seen by looking at the figures. The long term rate of growth of the UK economy is 2.5 percent per annum(1993).
How many years would it take a woman earning the median wage to get up to £300 per week at this growth rate? The answer is 30 years: check it on your calculator. Socialist redistribution could achieve directly what would otherwise take the better part of a working lifetime. With socialism the employee can have her cake and eat it too. She gets a once and for all rise in income through redistribution, but economic growth does not stop, so she will continue to enjoy rising earnings year by year.
Ryder Hall
shariah>communism
Nathan Lopez
Unironically this.
It's actually more efficient than communism.
Jeremiah King
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Zachary Russell
Nobody but ignorant twats argue that money trickles down because there is no such thing as trickle down economics. You have to pay your employees first and hope that you make a profit. If you had even a modicum of business acumen you would know this but seeing as how you're a pathetic commie faggot with no skills and a big ego it doesn't seem to get through. Just kill yourself
Juan Price
Communism was never about succeeding, but about Collapse & Death.
Since communism is normalized in our society it is NOT politically incorrect and has no place being posted in /pol
Ayden Bailey
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Nicholas Kelly
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Sebastian Johnson
Hey cabron, quiere que te prepare el helicóptero?
Noah Price
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Joshua Myers
I am going to take everything you want while you starve, okay? Does that sound good? I am going to be the most corrupt thing that'll ever occur because True Communism will never exist for it goes against the founding principles of communism in of itself. pic related.- Strong government, your false beliefs.
Michael Butler
muchas gracias mi amigo
Isaac Wood
But that's not communism comrade
Grayson Martin
But it is, you'd understand if you stood in line to lick a wooden spoon which was used to make bread once and drink out of a septic tank filled with Kvass while waiting to visit a grave which is thought to benefit the state.
Charles Bailey
>and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need How do you figure out what society needs? How do you figure out who works where?
Grayson Wood
>How do you figure out what society needs? How do you figure out who works where?
With computerized planned economy.
Joshua Bailey
But how does the computer figure out what the people need?
Samuel Wilson
You have absolutely zero idea about the world.
I am from Brazil. Believe me: communism is only good for those who are friends of the powerful. For the middle class and the poor, it's shit.
Grayson Gonzalez
>I am from Brazil. Believe me: communism is only good for those who are friends of the powerful. For the middle class and the poor, it's shit.
what? some social democrat you might know is not communism
Jordan Baker
>How do you figure out what society needs? How do you figure out who works where? people own the means of production. That's how they produce what they know they need
Dominic Campbell
Yes. And how would he determine the prices?
And I won't even mention that the premise itself is very weird. Would you like having a computer determining what you should do? I wouldn't. I'd rather be free, even though that could mean I might end up in the shit someday, than having to obey a computer for some sort of 'common good' which I don't care about.
Michael Nguyen
..teehehee
Landon Wright
Computers unlike humans won't become corrupted selfish bastards that's the point
Owen Roberts
Communism is idealism. It's an utopia and, therefore, is not able to be refuted, just like all other sorts of pseudoscience.
If you want to talk about real stuff, we can talk about how the influence of the state is bad for the country. In real life, so-called communism means big state, even though, in the magical theories of Mr. Marx, it meant something very different. From Lula to Chavez, all of the politicians which were supported by the left tended to love the big state, and turned it into a massive machine which destroyed their countries' economies.
Commies are clueless about the world.
Forget about your dreams which will never be accomplished and focus on things that actually exist.
One of the biggesst hipocrisies of the commie is to talk about his ideology in terms of utopian communism whilst ignoring the evils of real-world communism, and talking shit about real-world capitalism while not even considering that the capitalist systems we have today are very different from utopian capitalism.
Ryan Anderson
>commissary privilege >party member privilege >utter silence and disappearance of dissenters >falsified crimes for GULag slave labor I hate responded but this is for the lurkers. >irony >in Capitalist societies, you can be a marxist >in (((Communist))) countries, any "Counter-Revolutionary" thought is met with execution Kek
Nicholas Baker
And why should I wish to obey a computer?
And who would be the humans that would program the computer?
Suppose the computer chooses what's better for me. What if I don't want it? What if I want McDonald's instead of vegetables? Then you would have to take into account personal preferences two, and now we have two different criterias: that which is objectively the best, and that which is personally the best. How is the computer going to be able to gather data about the second bit? And, by the way, how is it going to gather data about the first one anyways? Do you intend to make some sort of mega, ultra-personal census?
And what if there are more moral criteria? Who is going to select them? Who will be the programmers, what will be the philosophy of the programmers, and why should I wish to accept it?
Stop with this utopian thinking. This is childish stuff. The real world is different.
Grayson Walker
This is now my thread
Jaxon Young
At the individual level, individuals know what they need and how to prioritize those needs because they know everything about themselves. They have all the information, which allows them to make these decisions. However when you move up to the society scale, society doesn't know what it wants because society isn't hive mind. It has no way of gathering all the relevant information.
At the individual level, a family can accurately estimate how many cars it needs. Without profit, how does society determine how resources should be diverted to make a sufficient amount of Boeing 747s?
Easton Sanders
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Jayden Gray
>workers deserve returns from the investment they never made >profitable investments should be outlawed >free enterprises who employ people should be outlawed >wtf, how come everything went to shit?! Commie suicide commies.
Cooper Clark
Utopias are achievable. Humans can make great stuff working together.
Easton Ramirez
Reminder: communism is a mental illness, it's not something you can reasonably argue against. Trust me, I have been trying to reach commies for a solid decade. Jordan Peterson understands and explains this with extreme detail: youtu.be/aDRgMUoEvcg?t=30m20s
There's no debate to have with commies on the economics academia, because they don't even have a ground to stand on, this is all purely philosophical and psychological dementia. Look at how young trannies and porn addicts are over represented among them.
Cooper Powell
Damn son, why is it ALWAYS that these marx/lenin/comm/whatever they call themselves is always a fucking student or works in service jobs or shit. Lord, in all my experience working in agriculture and transportation & logistics, I have never seen these types at all. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH 17 STATES! If Reddit or IRL protest by "revolutionaries", from Trump's Inaugruration to recent rallies are any indicators that these are them? Then they ain't shit! (Note, I despised those LARPing "Right-Wing" youngins too, utter cringe). Fucking boys.
Daniel Howard
Well you live in the most classcucked country on the planet, people unaware that they are having their labor exploited and collaborating with imperialists spreading misery around the world.
Ian Turner
>Humans can make great stuff working together. Too bad they cant work together.
Nathaniel Cook
Daily reminder that there has never been a successful socialist society.
Luke Price
why not?
Jonathan Thompson
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Kevin Scott
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Zachary Howard
Nose ring ruins the look honestly.
Luke Campbell
Because people work best when their work is directly associated with the reward they receive, and any system that fucks with that work/reward relationship in an unnatural way is bound to fail.
Michael Hill
KEK. >Say state is bad >make totalitarian super state >"It's actually meant to self dissolve dummy" >USSR dissolves >"The USSR would have been better than any first world country if it hadn't dissolved!! It's almost as if commies have no consistent beliefs whatsoever. Will we have a libertarian free country where people can associate themselves as they wish, or will we have a totalitarian super-state that monopolizes all resources which throws degenerates like you in labor camps where they labor to death?
Wyatt Bell
weak argument
Nathan Brooks
>"It's actually meant to self dissolve dummy" >USSR dissolves >"The USSR would have been better than any first world country if it hadn't dissolved!! I can't believe I went all this time without noticing that.
Brayden Collins
How about this: "Removing profits and incentives for investments, employment, and economic growth, would destroy society." How about this for an argument? Or perhaps: "Why would workers deserve the returns from the investments they never made?" Is this a good argument? Maybe I could go with : "After over 50 years of undisputed leadership, no self proclaimed socialist nation ever managed to abolish money." Is this a weak argument?
Anthony Moore
You gotta be a numbnut or lack any sort of discipline if you don't have $100k by 25. >but muh kids Why did you have them without being financially secured? >but muh student debt Who said a degree without researching it's prospects will automatically give you a salary? >but muh capitalist bouriegeous? No one is literally stopping you from getting a $45k a year job right now? Ya might need to uproot current location though. >but muh expenses hella high N sheeeiit Fucking reduce them and rent a garage converted room, apply for a "co-op" living center or be well equiped to be homeless a few months to a year while drastically saving. Nobody owes you shit for your fuck ups boy. t.32y.o. former herder and current Trucker/Cannabis grower, working since 16 and really... REALLY financially secured with only $167 in debt that will be balanced in a week.
Jace Moore
Change the output going into the state and being used up by the elite and you got it
Connor Edwards
My god, *sniff* pure ideology! How can you simply ignore the work of Lacan and the Frankfurter schule and so on and so on? *sniff* '
Lincoln Sanchez
That wouldn't be communism.
Jacob Turner
"Not real communism" strikes again!
Nathan King
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Jaxon Rodriguez
Din't mind me, just casually bumping this because I want the guy with the Gommunusim copy pasta to see it so I can steal his rare Benis.
Angel Sanders
post the spurdo version
William Torres
You don't like facts?
Kevin Lewis
State sponsored eugenics is better. Start weeding out undesired traits (low IQ, illness susceptibilities, other complex traits), and all this bullshit about inequality and wealth redistribution go away. In a handful of generations, we'd have the first society to think rationally, act non-violently, and truly live in a free-market.
Done.
Justin Allen
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Thomas Adams
>Basing society on the market
Jaxon Martin
Like the fact that there's never been a successful Communist society?
I'm going to ask you guys a question. As an actual worker, someone who busts their ass and gets dirty for my paycheck, why would I follow you guys. Why would the people I work with follow you guys. Most of you guys that I see spouting off this communist shit are fucking nerds that never worked a day in your life. I don't mean bagging groceries or working at a warehouse, I mean actual fucking work. You know, like what your symbol implies.
See, you guys aren't workers, and you don't intend to work after your little revolution. You're college kids from suburban neighborhoods who want to tell workers what to do. That's why you like this idea so much, you think you'll be one of the decision makers. You don't appeal to me at all, you appeal to faggots and furries though, for some reason. You will never have your revolution because you're all weak faggots.
Zachary Hughes
When socialism takes over USA it will be a good opportunity to establish a socialist state , then in the near or far future society will gradually reach the communist society.
Owen Morales
Just start by reading Marx it won't hurt.
James Robinson
Nobody will accept communism
Liam Sanchez
And it will work this time unlike all the other times because?
Grayson Green
How about an actual fucking answer instead of a cop out appeal to authority?
Parker Jenkins
>And it will work this time unlike all the other times because?
Material conditions are better than in Russia 100 years ago, we have computers, robots, etc, perfect for automatizing production like never before.
Logan Adams
>>Basing society on the market
Yep, glad to do it, too. Weak ppl using the state to level the playing field has been tried, with countless millions of dead in exchange.
Once we have full and complete control of the genes correlated with IQ (that is not science fiction, but will be reality in 3-5 yrs), low IQ populations will become things of the past. We won't need crazy political ideologies to cull and control people. Intelligence and rational thought will be the order of the day, and free market principles will be the only paradigm these (near) future cultures will accept.
Ian Ward
Computers and automation didn't stop the Soviet Union or Communist China from failing.
Carson Foster
Is not to appeal authority , is not about taking the word of Marx like a religion but a lot of what he says makes a lot of sense, just read the manifesto it is easy to understand and makes a lot of sense even today then make up your own conclusions with what else you know.
Jacob Perez
Then why hasn't China improved?
Jackson Morris
Computer automatization of the state was never implemented in the soviet union, it was rejected by silly politicians.
Anthony Hall
>don't worry, this isn't the other communism >this communism has robots and sheeeeit
