Protestantism vs Catholicism

Protestantism vs Catholicism

Which is better?

it depends on the protestant church that you follow.

Protestantism was just a way for northern europeans to get off the church's big welfare slave cock and allow pagan traditions in conjunction with jew worship

Evangelical Presbyterian?

Orthodoxy

It's obvious

Protestants are better at actually practicing Christian values but worse at maintaining Christian traditions.

Catholics are better at maintaining Christian traditions but worse at practicing Christian values.

Orthodox Christians are good at both.

>Which is better?

Science.

which one let the jews get away with their schemes instead of being banished?

PROTTIES!

So Protestantism?

Not enough orthodox churches in America

Protestant "sola scriptura" dictates that the bible alone should be fondation of religion.

but "sola scriptura" itself is not in the bible

let's face it: Protestantism just lets Catholics act like Jews.

Roman Catholicism in every case.

Nope

there are literally none in New Zealand

>he thinks science has an explanation for the meta phsyical
There are things beyond mere empirical science, reddit.

>let's face it: Protestantism just lets Catholics act like Jews.

^^^^^^^^^^This

>catholicism
>"catholic without the pope" fake protestants, aka Anglican/Episcopal
one word for them both: pizzagate

That's not right.

Jesus died and the earth trembled and everyone realized they had fucked up.

Romans recreated Christ's story to promote their tradition, became Roman Catholic hq in Italy.

Jews adapted it to maintain Judaism, and became orthodox.

Paul's story is the most accurate format which leads protestantism

>the apostles

I do hope you're not including Paul in there.

Orthodoxy

>talks about pizzagate
>doesn't talk about the records of Podesta talking about his plans to make the catholic church more progressive so it becomes more corrupted
The jew fears traditionalist catholicism.

I agree with you but religion does a shit job at explaining them. Unironically /x/ is even more useful at than christianity.

Protestantism of course.

Catholicism is already corrupted. The church is involved in human trafficking and satanic ritual child sexual abuse. So are the Episcopals.

I'm fedora btw, not Protestant in case that's what you think

>Wow, our arbitrary letter to number conversion system makes these 2,000-year-old titles add up to 666
>DAE catholocism is literally satan???

Look at this instead. :)

Stoicism

It should be Jesus and Apostles → Church → Tradition → Scripture, without parallel lines.

Also, Protestants have pretty much rejected the Apostles, which is an indirect rejection of Christ, and their worship of Scripture should be causing them some cognitive dissonance since they reject the doctrines of those who canonised the Bible.

Paul is shit and should be rejected completely. He fully perverted the original teachings of Christ and set christianity on a path that would lead to warmongering and exclusivity.

Thank the second Vaticanum for that. High ranking progressive heretics would need to be excommunicated in order to restore order.

>: Sup Forums bait.jpg

>trying to use religion to explain materialistic effects
Why don't people in the west no longer understand how religion works?
Why do people think that the conclusion form "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." it follows to become poor in order to do god's will?
The way of Jesus is the way of wisdom, not of truth in a materialistic sense, this is why he left Pilate's question after truth unanswered.

Rational truth

This is simple.
It didn't even take the full lifetime of Father Luther for Protestants to split into opposing camps. There is over thirty thousand known protestant sects according to the World Christian Encyclopedia, 2001 edition.

The Catholic Church remains throughout all heresies, even the current one with a heretical pope.

Unfortunately, this.
As an ex-protestant myself, all it took was the reading of the early Church fathers. Talk about a dose of reality.

This, except anything related to Paul should be rejected.

Gnosticism

Depends on what you mean by "better". You also need to keep in mind that here can be significant variation within denominations. I was raised Catholic. Based on the churches and private schools I attended, I've come to view Catholicism as being "better" than a lot of Protestant denominations that I've encountered.

It's kinda hard to explain, but Catholicism always seemed to me to be more serious than other Christian denominations (at least the ones I've seen). The easiest way to explain it would be to highlight the differences in how Mass is done. At the Catholic churches I've been to there is a sort of heavier atmosphere of respect, reverence, and a sense of duty to behave like upstanding human beings in accordance with the teachings of Christ. On the other hand, I've been to some Christian Masses where they have live bands and everything is lighter and happier and there's more of a "Jesus loves you me and everybody let's all be nice to each other" atmosphere. It also almost seems like sinning is treated more like "oh gosh I did something bad but thankfully God will forgive me yay" as opposed to the more Catholic approach of "I need to acknowledge that I have sinned, thus failing to act in accordance with God's teachings. Thankfully God will forgive me, but I must strive to better myself so as not to sin again".

I definitely feel that the Catholic church has been in a state of decline in recent years, so much so that even I have become rather disillusioned.

Same here to an extent. I love Catholic mass, because of the meditative and serious atmosphere. I don't agree with all the doctrines however, and I don't know if that should be a reason not to be considered Catholic.

My biggest reserves are: I feel that I should only pray to God, and that I don't need to confess my sins, especially to a priest. God and I both know I sinned and that I should improve myself and be a better person.

This, read the works of Luther and Calvin. Don't give into the inbred retardation of newer Protestant branches
Presbyterian is near the top of my list for best churches.

Sad because none of protestantism is found in the early church fathers

More accurate version

Ask yourself why did the early christians need the apostles to tell them what to do

From the Catechism:

>During his public life Jesus not only forgave sins, but also made plain the effect of this forgiveness: he reintegrated forgiven sinners into the community of the People of God from which sin had alienated or even excluded them. A remarkable sign of this is the fact that Jesus receives sinners at his table, a gesture that expresses in an astonishing way both God's forgiveness and the return to the bosom of the People of God.44

>In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church. This ecclesial dimension of their task is expressed most notably in Christ's solemn words to Simon Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."45 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of the apostles united to its head."46

>The words bind and loose mean: whomever you exclude from your communion, will be excluded from communion with God; whomever you receive anew into your communion, God will welcome back into his. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.

....that's an excellent point. Priests would have more dedication to the study of Christianity and a connection to God. It wouldn't mean I couldn't have my own interpretations on issues that differ from doctrine, but that I should ultimately seek the counsel of and work through priests when available.

Look at Clement's epistle also and see how there was already a notion of the authority of the clergy and even their roles being different from laity

I vaguely remember learning about how there was a type of confession that involved "perfect contrition" or something where you technically don't need to go through a priest, but that's more of an extreme circumstances thing iirc. I think there was some reasoning based on a couple passages in one of the gospels (maybe James?), that provides reasoning for why the church encourages confessing through a priest. My memory is getting hazy on this stuff desu.

But yeah I'm with you on that. I feel that if we need to confess a sin, we confess to those involved. If you've wronged somebody besides God, you should confess to all involved parties. Which typically isn't the priest. I also don't agree with a few doctrines and practices, particularly circumcision, and I'm uncomfortable with the more lackadaisical approach to sin that seems to be creeping into the Church. It seems more and more that we're encouraged to tolerate and forgive and accept sin without ever putting our foot down and declaring that it's wrong. I also think that both Pope Benedict and Pope Francis were/are incredible disappointments as popes.

I dunno man, it all just feels so tiresome. I'm falling away from the church and I feel as if there's something I should be doing, something I could be doing to fix this, but I just don't know what it is. All I can do is keep praying.

t.lazy defeatist tard

>Getting Jewed into lined by the Serpent of Rome and his hellish band

No thanks, I don't want Pope Fuckass tell me what to think

Sure m8, science will find the answer for what reason we live for or what comes after death. I'm a defeatist for doubting that empirical research has boundaries. Fucking hell you fedoras are naive.

>Gematria is arbitrary

he doesn't know about the fingerprints of God. everyone point and laugh.

this is so much heresy. that its Idol worship.

>There is over thirty thousand known protestant sects
The catholic church deemed Arian Christianity to be heretics, meaning Constantine is a heretic by their own logic, there's a reason Rome was sacked in 410.

all these 30k sects still read the same bible, pray to Jesus Christ, and

>tfw paul is an apostle who is given direction by jesus christ himself in the gnostic gospels

feels good to be extra heretical.

I think non-denominational is the way to go, we're one in christ anyway.

>christian traditions
‘These people honor Me with their lips,

but their hearts are far from Me.

7They worship Me in vain;

they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’b

8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.”c

the traditions of men are vain, and of a falsehood

Protestantism doesn't line up with biblical scholarship and what we know about the church fathers and early christians

Is this idol worship?

This is the same feeling I always had the few times I've been exposed to protestantism. Lots of "Jesus loves you lets all have prayer circles and give each other hugs while listening to Christian rock" but very little spiritual substance. The most clarifying moment for me was when a friend of mine who converted to "non-denominational" mega-church protestantism said his main reason for leaving was because his new church was more fun. It's like he completely missed the point of religion and sadly most modern protestants are that way.

>130476315
this is. never giving you a (you) again ackmed.

Stay ASSMAD histoey denies you

>Protestantism doesn't line up with biblical scholarship and what we know about the church fathers and early christians
Are you retarded? Because what you said is true, however it's also true of EVERY SINGLE KIND of post-Nicene Christianity. I

>he doesn't know that science is a dirty jew lie

>130476795
its too bad the bible doesn't deny me.

I don't think I can ever fully buy into Catholic doctrine though. It is formulated by the clergy, which are still human and subject to error/bias. Not saying I'm any better of course, but I feel like its something I need to study and pray to understand for myself.

Ultimately though the church is a place to gather with other Christians and pray. Our relationship with God, which we carry every day, goes beyond the church on Sunday and its agendas like with the new pope.

I'm definitely looking for feedback on what I'm writing.

None is further from them than the proddied

You are spouting shit

I don't get it, can you explain?

Just protestants BEINg protestants

While supporting Israel

the bible and generally ALL theology supports geocentric astronomy. heliocentric cosmology is generally a dirty jew lie

that's like asking who is more real, santa or the easter bunny

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

t. buttmad polack

This is most real

White men get ugly asian

I think that a desire to think over the doctrine for yourself instead of just blindly accepting everything is a good thing.

Meanwhile.....


No doubt they were contrary to Jewish expectations with regard to the Davidic Messiah (even if we make allowance for the great diversity in the Messianic expectations of the period). And Jewish expectations were based on current and widely accepted interpretations of the biblical texts understood to refer to the Messiah(s). The discrepancy between this biblically based picture of the career of the Messiah, and the actual career of Jesus, created the need for innovative interpretation of traditional Messianic proof-texts, but also innovative selection of new texts which had formerly not been taken to refer to the Messiah. In Luke’s gospel, this novelty of the Christian scriptural ‘proof’ of the Messiah’s career is most vividly brought out on the journey to Emmaus in Luke 24: the risen Christ ‘opened’ the scriptures so that the disciples could see things in them they had never seen before. [The risen Jesus] opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and said to them, ‘Thus it is written, • that the Messiah should suffer • and on the third day rise from the dead, • and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.’ (Luke 24:45–7)

The early Christian world of 665

And no this is not Catholic answer and was in fact written by a LutheranThis

The Church ... has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: (1) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth ... (2) and in one Christ Jesus the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; (3) and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God and the advents [of the Messiah]: • the birth from a virgin; • and the passion; • and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven ... of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, • and his [second] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ... to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race ... (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.10.1) As the excerpt from Irenaeus makes evident, the development of a Christological ‘proof from prophecy’ is intimately linked with the crystallization of a Christological ‘rule of truth’ or ‘rule of faith’, which some decades later was incorporated in the second article of the Old Roman creed.15 Much more is at stake here than a mere parallel development of two parts of the Christian tradition. The ‘rule of faith’ serves as the basic exegetical criterion for the development of the biblical ‘proof from prophecy’. This is probably indicated already in a famous saying by Ignatius of Antioch at around 110 ce:

Pg 666

Do you even need to ask?

"Remember, when I'm gone you'll only follow the Bible, your only authority"
- Jesus what the fuck is a bible?


"There is no salvation outside the Church" - /our guy/

I heard some men saying, ‘if I find it not in the charters, I do not believe in the gospel.’ And when I said to them that it is in the scriptures, they answered me, ‘that is exactly the question.’ But to me the charters are Jesus Christ, the inviolable charter is his cross, and death, and resurrection, and the faith which is through him. (Ignatius, to the Philadelphians 8.2) It would seem that Ignatius’ opponents required a full proof from prophecy for every point in his gospel proclamation. When he says that to him the ‘archives’ are Jesus Christ, his cross and resurrection, this does probably not mean that for Ignatius the Christological creed replaces the scriptures, but rather that the Christological rule of faith contains the hermeneutical canon according to which the scriptures should be interpreted.

Where is sola scripture?

...

They are usually ethnic based but in my area I know a few that's not and truthfully I've seen a few non Greeks at my Greek Orthodox Church and no one says shit I find it surprising a bit tho they always want Greek priests they didn't like the head priest at my church too much bc he was American born and his Greek sucked

All religion is a joke. Look at it objectively (even though you can't, or won't, whatever, either).

>believe in ghosts
>live life by a fictional book of stories from thousands of years ago
>attend a church where anyone with authority uses it to get rich and fuck children

Go ahead and reply with your gay little fedora memes, that's the only "argument" you brain dead lunatics can ever muster.

>live life by a fictional book of stories from thousands of years ago
>people didn't smile, laugh, cry, or feel virtuous, shameful, defeated, victorious thousands of years ago, people didn't steal, murder, and deal justice, wage war, have politics, and believe in right, and wrong conduct thousands of years ago and these are things invented in the past 200 years by science

Protestant countries have the highest amount of imported shitskins.

>inb4 france, italy, spain.

France is basically atheist, Italy and Spain are just on the way to reach the cuck protestant states of the UK, Sweden and Germany.

Its still just fanfiction.

If anybody would write a my little pony bible it would be rediculed, but if its a kike on a stick its suddenly the son of an omnipotent being that lived in the past.

This; Basically all Americans should all convert to orthodoxy and we make an American Patriarch

Fair enough, I might be.

>tfw protestant countries and muslim singapore are more developed than catholic ones
>tfw israel more developped than rome
pretty funny stuff.

>let's face it: Protestantism just lets Catholics act like Jews.


This. "faith alone" = I can be a greedy capitalist kike and still get into heaven.

>Development is more important than keeping your country homologous
I think this is the problem here.

To some extent, this.

Anyone knows a good book that sums up orthodox christianity well?

Roma was never taken by the Arabs. All the patriarchies of orthodoxy were conquered by Arabs. The Church is the Vatican.
Catholicism has shaped the world you live in and without it everything would suck.
Who retook land taken by Arabs? The Orthodox?
No it was the Catholic Spanish who kicked the Moors out of Iberia.

I can rape and murder 1000 times a day and as long as I say the magic words I've done no wrong.

Too bad divine inspired laws exist and you will be burned at the stake for testing the Lord.
You fucking protestant scum.

Daily reminder. Catholics were the only ones to wage a crusade against the Muslim scum. While fedoras were busy jerking off to their ankle magazines and telling everyone being gay is ok, we were purging the Muslims

>big bang theory was created by a catholic

k

norway, denmark, netherlands, ireland, iceland, newzealand, are all protestant countries that aren't taking refugees in massive numbers.

the argument was fallacious in the first place.

all the porn in germany is owned by the vatican, and Rome's catholic church generally invented Islam anyway. so they are getting hit the hardest by roman jewish conspiracy.

italy, spain, portugal are muslim rape baby countires in the first place. and second of all most the countries in the EU are taking in massive amounts of refugees.

>the word of God shouldn't be the foundation of understanding God

????
CATHOLICS EVERYONE

>laws are real until we go super small and then we really dont understand anything but we understand the entire universe because we dont understand everything
science yeah.
Im also glad you admitted science is a religion and not a way to understand the the physical world. Spirituality is beyond scientific reasoning.

>italy
>muslim rape babies
>muslims never even sieged roma
>all of greece taken over
also
>the word of God shouldn't be the foundation of understanding God
You fucking protestants have translated the bible about a thousand times what the fuck do you even know about the word of god honestly?

Both are good and allies. Quit trying to divide us

SAGE

sage all divide threads.

That's the laziest strawman I've ever seen.

Neither.

circumcision isn't christian

have you read Galatians

>You fucking protestants have translated the bible about a thousand times what the fuck do you even know about the word of god honestly?

well, i know how to demonstrate that it has supernatural origins outside of space-time. and I know the roman catholic church has a nasty habbit of burning bibles, and setting people on fire for reading the bible because it was "heresy" to do so for hundreds of years.

and I'm not protestant. I'm just a simple christian scholar. Martin Luther also attacked personal study of the bible so I don't really agree with, nor care for him, and theres about a dozen reformers that came before Martin Luther in the first place, Jan Hus, JOhn Wycliffe, Jerome of Prague Erasmus of Rotterdam and his textus receptus.

most bibles are translate directly from hebrew and greek, the same hebrew and greek that has endless mathematical properties in its gematria to it.

you have a really fallacious argument bro.