Most men have absolutely HAD IT with modern women. There are so many men walking around that are MGTOW...

Most men have absolutely HAD IT with modern women. There are so many men walking around that are MGTOW, but have never heard of the term. It's completely unbeknownst to them. Hell, I was a MGTOW, for years, but I never even knew it.

From my perspective, there's no reason to look at (and ogle) them and feed their already artificially inflated egos. I'm sure most men feel the same way.

The vast majority of them are nothing but prissy, entitled, bitchy, narcissistic cunts, as it is. No need to feed that beast their favorite meal, and lifeblood.....ATTENTION.

Approaching women is also pointless. If she's even remotely attractive, then you can rest assured that the bitch has a boyfriend, and his name is Chad Chadley McChaderson III. He usually looks like an effeminate bitch, and couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. I'm sure Chad and his flip flop thong sandals, and nut-hugger boat shorts, are gonna come in real handy when the societal collapse hits.

Even if she doesn't have a Chad, she's gonna make you bust your balls to get anything going with her, simply for her amusement -- just because she can. You gotta play a million different mind games, jump through a million different hoops. Yea, no fucking thanks, sweetie. Those days are OVER. O. V. E. R.

Digits mean absolutely nothing, even if you manage to get them. You're just another dick, in her very long (pun intended) dick line. It's nothing special. It's all just a giant waste of time.

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go out more and have fun
you're probaly not even ready for marriage anyways

Dont forget, MGTOW dont hate women.
We simply just dont go along with gynocentrism. We hate the beta cucks who's only reproductive strategy is pandering to women.

Oh and......SAGE
>Digits mean absolutely nothing, even if you manage to get them.
Obvious bate JIDF thread

>we

There's no "we" in MGTOW. It's not a movement.

mindset of weaklings that are the actual enablers of what you posted.

Women are like animals. You have to tame them and then they will be satisfied and will provide for you.. you have to be strong, independent, confident leader and they will flock to you to serve you..rule of nature

>weak beta-cuck (you) = loud, self-entitled, cheating feminist
>real man (not you) = obedient, caring, feminine woman

Whole MGTOW crap is just institutionalized cuckoldry that is actually proving women right in their actions

Rejecting gynocentrism is a must, though. You cant be worshipping pussy and be red pilled at the same time.

Keked!

there is nothing more repulsive to good women than hiding from your own inadequacy behind the skirts of the minority of women who behave like men. mgtow is nihilistic narcissism wrapped up in a very shiny woe as me. gross. real men are providers, stable in a crisis and never whine.

True.

>You have to tame them and then they will be satisfied and will provide for you.. you have to be strong, independent, confident leader and they will flock to you to serve you..rule of nature

True. That role is filled by the state - the state is their alpha. If you try any of your dominance shit on women, she will call her alpha to the rescue and you will get fucked.

this is true.. you are just like spoiled kids..just giving up instead of being a man who puts woman in line
MGTOW is one of the most pathetic result of feminized society..completely against all traits and archetypes of manhood in this area (leader, provider, and master to woman)

Enjoy your alimony.

My sides Kek

>real men are providers
Jesus! You spout your beta programming with the force of a lion. A true white knight!

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no.. in that case you are just a try-hard who does not know what hes doing. If being alpha male comes naturally to you, than it is irresistible for women.. state with all of todays bullcrap is quite a magnet for women, but only when real man is not around

From my experience from my bros they MGTOW cause they born with small balls and penis. Sucks now they putting stuff in the water that makes the freaking frogs gay also making men not bother with women.

dude what are you trying to prove all the time.. it has been like that since the time we were living in cages.. men ruled and provided, women took care and gave births.

fucking pleb

*caves

You go your own way if you want to.
More women for me.

Yes women are a pain in the arse, but I'm not giving them up because I know that not all women are dickheads.

>200-500 years ago when a man provided for his woman he was a good man
I agree, WE DONT LIVE IN THAT TIME ANYMORE
>Today if a man provides for his woman no matter what she does even if she divorces you you have to provide alimony/childsupport
You know what we call this today? Cuck!

Providing used to be honorable, now women can just cuck the fuck out of you and if you keep "providing" youre a cuck.

That's why I give it to them up the arse

>You have to tame them and then they will be satisfied and will provide for you.. you have to be strong, independent, confident leader and they will flock to you to serve you..rule of nature
This is the most destructive meme the feminist enables can propagate.
You don't have to do any of that. The whole point of civilization was that you don't have to waste your energy over any of that. You (used to) get a wife, get a family and all your energy goes towards working and providing, creating wealth for your family (and being taxed on the way).
If you accept the midset that you MUST participate in the mating dance like some animal, you might as well paint your hair green and go to protest at some slut walk because you've already drank the feminist kool-aid.
>It's the natural thing
Civilization is NOT natural. Civilization is all about forcibly adapting nature to what serves us best. Civilization is literally anti-natural.

I have polish wife... She respects me and listen when I say STFU she know I m serious also she know that I M the fucking alpha in the family not her not our dog...she knows that I will do everything to keep her safe and she trusts me and I can trust her. she is perfect for me and beats finnish womans 100/0 in everyway.

Keep telling yourself that and eventually you'll get burned.

there is some true in this, but your outcomes are completely bad. we have to take rule over women back, not accepting our fate and abandon women for our comfort.. thats submissive approach

>MGTOW = nihilism, giving-up, abandoning of whts left of mens position in society

I've thought a lot about MGTOW, and I have to give them some credit. They really missed the mark, thought. It seems like they think all women, everywhere, are pretty much the exact same. It's the worst sort of reasoning; anecdotal evidence then taken to an nth degree of inductive arguments.

I find it odd, too, that they seem to play this really weird blame game, where all women are this, and all women are that. It's half of the story. Maybe less depending on the lens. Yeah, culture around dating has caused it, but guess who enabled it? Oh yeah, that's right.

I rather like the fact that MGTOW has brought some awareness to the sorts of issues men really do face; women who aren't anywhere near as industrious wanting the bar lowered; aspects of dating/hookup/fling culture that really are regressive as hell; and issues of entitlement amongst some women. But, to say that all women are like this is a joke. And no, not because I'm some white knight splerge, but because it doesn't account for these man refusing to take some damn responsibility. There's too much resentment and blaming, like some feminists do, that is pretty much suicide for the movement.

>Civilization is NOT natural. Civilization is all about forcibly adapting nature to what serves us best. Civilization is literally anti-natural.
Unsure of that one. Seems like we evolved in such a way, if you prescribe to evolutionary trade-off theory, that we made some concessions. We were, 350 million years ago, pretty much a species in some weird simple form that just killed whatever got in the way. We evolved in such a way that, if you can contribute to the group and that the group has an environment conducive to allow for it it's acceptable. Civilization is natural, at least in that it isn't divine intervention.

>Even if she doesn't have a Chad, she's gonna make you bust your balls to get anything going with her, simply for her amusement -- just because she can. You gotta play a million different mind games, jump through a million different hoops.
the way to win the game is to not play.

>Approaching women is also pointless
hehehe maybe the way u do it

>If you accept the midset that you MUST participate in the mating dance like some animal
dating is hard for everyone, men and women. men use and throw women away all the time, it's not only the opposite of that.

my friend is 5'8, not particularly attractive, and yet every time we go on a city break he's hooking up with multiple women. in croatia he banged 2 women in a night. in toronto he met someone and banged on the first night despite the jetlag. in portgual it was 2 girls over the course of 5 nights but we were mainly there for a music festival.

he didn't pay a penny for the privilege. it's honestly pretty easy.

>Most men have absolutely HAD IT with modern women.
Most "men" have absolutely HAD IT with modern women.
FTFY

Tell shallow hotties to go fuck themselves and find yourself a normal, average looking, respectable girl instead of blaming women for your bad choices.

MGTOW is not 1 movement. Everyone just goes his own way.
Some of us dont want to get married, some of us get married but use the red pill information to protect themselves with pre-nup and stuff.
Some of us even go have a wife in a foreign country.
Men cant win in a political way. Women and beta cucks are 80% of the electorate and the laws are fucked. MGTOW=reject gynocentrism+go your own way whatever that means for you

she's a whore

>Whole MGTOW crap is just institutionalized cuckoldry that is actually proving women right in their actions
This is correct I failed with women until I realised you need to take away reason and accountability from them. They are children / teenagers at best never fully adult.

Wasn't until I started being a dom with the ladies I started dating and explained it was my way or the highway that my relationships went well. Invest in some rope and do some kink with her and she will submit and want the submission and even crave it, mgtow is useful to help you find the best deal.

Sounds like defeatist faggot bullshit to me. You have to have bad experiences to know what a good ones. I've had four long term serious relationships in my time, been engaged twice. I have a daughter with a woman I was engaged to for ten years. She's the most precious thing in my World. I'm in a relationship with a traditional woman who is red pilled as fuck. It takes time and experience. Don't fucking cry like a girl's blouse, man the fuck up and start dating.

>some of us get married but use the red pill information to protect themselves with pre-nup and stuff.
pre-nups are almost universally useless. they usually expire after about 5 years.
>[...] beta cucks are 80% of the electorate
>Some of us even go have a wife in a foreign country.
the irony is a fucking feast

plenty of people don't get married. that's not uncommon. the fact that you glom onto a tag like "MGTOW" goes quite a way in showing the extent to which what you're describing is really just sour grapes

I can see where your thoughts are coming for but you are the one in delusion.

there is no MUST.. that is an essence of manhood. It is printed into our psyche not BY or FOR women/feminists, but by our archetypal being. We provide so woman can give us our sons (thats pretty much their only purpose).. it is animalistic concept that has nothing to do with anyone forcing us to do it..

times got ugly (we fucked up our society by giving women higher status) and you are trying to solve it by running away from what is natural.

when we were in caves there was no civilization..just primitive instincts same to those animals bear

>man the fuck up and start dating.

you sound like a cuck who wasted way too much money and time on women.

Did you take the Peterson pill too my guy? I'll be thinking of you at the lecture tonight.

Normal, "average" looking women would rather all share Chad with the shallow hotties than settle for a normal, average looking man. After all, these women have lifted up their statuses in the past half century from entering the workplace, and we all know that most women are not willing to settle for a man across or down from them on the scale.

Cuck lol aye lad okay. I'm actively helping the white race. I have a child. Not sitting in my Mum's house banging my cock over porn you little tit.

YES!
Women are like emotional kids who needs to be led, taught what to do (and they actually wants that!). They are pretty good in one thing.. they can sense mens weakness from miles away (and thats when they get ugly and cheat/leave you).. its completely natural

I was married, have had several long-term girlfriends. Its fun while it lasts, but too expensive and they are too entitled. I love the single life and you can enjoy dating and hookups any time.

MGTOW is a valid choice. Remember, there's no "I" in Team, but there is a "U" in Fuck you

MGTOW is taking the Jews propaganda and instead of fighting it, you jump right to their ultimate conclusion. Being willingly barren is worse than race mixing with a nigger. 0 whites is worse than 1/2

You would risk a civil war but you wouldn't risk marriage? It's the only good way to raise multiple kids. Right now even if we won every political fight on our door step we do not have enough young whites to sustain our numbers. We would still be half as strong in just 30 years.

"Oh no but she fucked some other guys before, or a nigger, or is left leaning, or isn't redpilled."

Even with that kind of history you still have like a 50% chance to have a long term marriage. If you are educated, well off, or have no criminal history, that chance increases. Of marriages that don't work out, only a very few of them end really badly for the guy. You defeat the left by just having a successful life and raising a few normal kids, which the odds are still greatly in your favor to do. You don't have to do anything, don't need to fight antifa, etc.

The left has to fight and advance to win because things like LBGT, SJWs, and cucks inherently do not reproduce. They are not normal, they are not successful. They cannot afford 4 kids even when they try.

We just have to stay steady and keep our birth rate up. That is the #1 priority of anyone that cares about our people.

MGTOW inherently denies reproduction. It's almost a crutch for losers to pretend they aren't losers. Like, "You can't reject me if I never ask you out." It's a disguise for an evolutionary dead end of beta males that don't have what it takes to be fathers.

Our race is now on the shoulders of those of us with the fortitude to take those risks. What's truly amazing is MGTOW doesn't even try to put money into white families with kids. You just give up and selfishly spend it on yourself. You're the right wing version of catladies and I despise you. Even white Antifa that have kids are more helpful to us.

man this viewpoint is so detached from reality i really have to question how experienced you are in the real world.

>Normal, "average" looking women would rather all share Chad with the shallow hotties than settle for a normal, average looking man.
boo hoo women only date the bad boys they'll never go for a nice guy like mee~
it's just beyond pathetic at this point. and it's not even true. like i said earlier in this thread, my friend who is most successful with women is about the furthest thing from a chad you can imagine. He's:

>5'8
>average looking
>total music/football nerd, but not in an athletic way
>doesn't work out
>unbelievably stingy (he calls it "fair") with his money
>terrible temper

but he cleans up all over the world. if you don't know how people like him do this, you have no business posting in this thread.

could you be a more bitter virgin?

t. chad

Being incel doesn't make you a MGTOW, it just makes you an autismal dicklet

>dating is hard for everyone, men and women.
Dating is already part of the feminist dogma, my friend. This is the problem with conservatives, they don't know where does it come what they are consevating. Change the meaning of a conservative accepted term and now you have a pack of guard dogs defending your liberal ideology.
Dating, before feminists hijacked the term, refered to a couple or so of encounters (most of them chaperoned by their parents) between two individuals of marrigeable age, for the exclusive purpose of knowing each other before getting married. Not any of these night out binge drinking and fucking in a bathroom stall.
>Unsure of that one. Seems like we evolved in such a way, if you prescribe to evolutionary trade-off theory, that we made some concessions.
There are many parts of civilization advncement, that go against our natural insticts. Like sex,for example. Men are polygamous and women are hypergamous.However it's impossible to build a cvilization on anything other than monogamy.
We haven't evolved to fit organically into our civilization, that's why I say it's anti-natural, but it doesn't mean that being unnatural is bad.

>MGTOW is taking the Jews propaganda and instead of fighting it, you jump right to their ultimate conclusion

>MGTOW inherently denies reproduction. It's almost a crutch for losers to pretend they aren't losers. Like, "You can't reject me if I never ask you out." It's a disguise for an evolutionary dead end of beta males that don't have what it takes to be fathers.

AMEN

This

I'm a nerd and I got a gf after I started working out and sorting my personality out.

I think both of those reasons can explain why so many men haven't been able to get a girl.

>this delusion

Mate, she'll cuck you at some point. She's still a woman.

>thats submissive approach

:D

Oh wow one anecdote, you really showed me.

>Nigel actually believes that women gauge men in the same way that men gauge women in terms of terms valuability

Fucking bang on the money mate.

>conservatives
>consevating
my sides

>Dating, before feminists hijacked the term, refered to a couple or so of encounters (most of them chaperoned by their parents) between two individuals of marrigeable age
yeah you're right. people used to meet someone twice and then spend 50 years being a total mismatch and hating each other's guts and then dying.
i'd take fucking in a bathroom stall over that any day.

>However it's impossible to build a cvilization on anything other than monogamy.
tell that to the greeks, persians, ottomans, etc. -- monogamy is much more recent a phenomenon than you seem to think it is.

Men commit adultery more. The n1 divorce reason is husband's cheating.

Again, not all women are completely fucked up daddy's spoiled little princesses. The fact that feminists and "feminists" are really loud and obnoxious does not mean that all women are like that. Trust me. I was a kid in puberty once, I liked regularly changing shallow cunts and getting my dick wet wherever possible. Guess what? I grew the fuck up and there's nothing preventing you from doing that too. You need to work on yourself a bit and all will improve. You don't need gay pride abs or a 7 figure income to attract a decent woman, just don't be a complete slob and/or a completely irresponsible manchild.

The problem here is, that one thing doesn't imply the other. It's absolutely OK to be as manly as you want to be. But as soon as you condition family building to a level of manliness, then you're already supporting the feminist cause, and getting away from what made possible civilization in the first place.

When it comes down having kids, it takes a village. How likely is it that you could raise a son who becomes a man in the traditional sense, and doesn't turn into a hipster faggot? No matter how hard you try, you are simply outmatched by Hollywood, the school system, advertisements, and the influence of other kids that he will become friends with, and their parents. How likely is it that you could raise a daughter worthy of marriage according to, say, Sup Forums's standards? I'm sure that, minor quibbles aside, most of us will agree that those standards are quite reasonable, but at the same time, quite difficult to find these days. With how outmatched we are, can we really pull that off? Aren't the odds so ridiculously stacked against us that we're leaving the realm of masculine risk taking for the sake of the greater good, and entering the territory of reckless endangerment? At the risk of sounding naive, perhaps if good men and would-be fathers start opting out of marriage (as many already are), then society will sooner or later have a wake up call and start moving in a better direction.

The D-Day Normandy beach invasion was risky and deadly, but ultimately worth it. The men who sacrificed their lives that day did not die in vain. The general who ordered the take over of the Ant Hill, however, in Paths of Glory, was a coward and an idiot, not the men who were unjustly tried and executed for "cowardice." I know it's a fictional story loosely based on a true story, but as a work of art it's close enough to reality that I'll use it as an example, which is that those men did die in vain. That's the difference between calculated risk and necessary sacrifice, vs. reckless self-endangerment and the need of a tactical retreat.

Dead on.

MGTOW regards females a equals and hates them as they just believe them to be shitty individuals.

A real alpha regards them as a creature deserving of protection and respect, but ultimately something to be controlled and dominated.

Also:

>Even with that kind of history you still have like a 50% chance to have a long term marriage

What kind of marriage, though? Dead bedroom, separate beds, separate bedrooms?

Yes goyim, give your shekels to the vaginal jew...

We're totally going to show those women how tough we are by fucking off to a corner and jerking it because a corrupt international system of ethnocide decided to genocide the fuck out of us by making it as difficult as possible to procreate and hold a family together. What's that? You want me to fight this system that has disenfranchised me from my rightful inheritance? Fuck that sounds tough and dangerous I'll just go my own way. I'm aplha as fuck.

Loving you
Isn't the right thing to do
How can I ever change things that I feel?

If I could
Baby I'd give you my world
How can I
When you won't take it from me?

You can go your own way
Go your own way
You can call it another lonely day
You can go your own way
Go your own way

Tell me why
Everything turned around
Packing up
Shacking up's all you wanna do

If I could
Baby I'd give you my world
Open up
Everything's waiting for you

You can go your own way
Go your own way
You can call it another lonely day
You can go your own way
Go your own way

>yeah you're right. people used to meet someone twice and then spend 50 years being a total mismatch and hating each other's guts and then dying.
>i'd take fucking in a bathroom stall over that any day.
And right here is why the feminists are winning.
You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to bang sluts left and right, and then at the snap of your fingers have a virgin ethnonationalist qt3.14 who blushes at handholding.

>Nigel actually believes that women gauge men in the same way that men gauge women in terms of terms valuability
i don't. women are waaaay less picky than men in the looks department. if you have an honest connection with a woman she'll almost certainly sleep with you based on that alone. AS LONG AS YOU ARE REASONABLY WELL DRESSED AND CLEAN. those are the two big ones. here's another anecdote

>be me, 5'6, unfit, average-looking, on holiday in Toronto
>meet a girl (5'9, attractive) and get talking
>she mentions her favourite band is neutral milk hotel
>i say "yeah i saw them in poland last year, they were so great live"
>she buys us a round of beers for that fact
>we get in a taxi
>i say "so where to next? you're the local i'm trusting you to show me around"
>she says "let's just go back to mine and fuck" and kisses me
>can't believe my luck

that was it. i just happened to have seen a band she liked and immediately in her mind i'm a cultured globe-trotting playboy.
I understand not wanting to get married. I'm probably not going to get married. But writing off dating just seems insane.

> virgin ethnonationalist qt3.14 who blushes at handholding.
i don't want this at all. i don't think i'd sleep with a virgin now, it wouldn't seem right, i'm 26. i'm way more into women who know what they want.

Enjoy your alimony then.
There's a reason all civilizations have had to guarantee a woman's virginity before marriage.

You are such a faggot.

"The enemy is strong so why even fight? Lets just all stop reproducing guys, It's better this way. Oy VEy. Even if you get married and make it last then it's not going to be sexy" that's what you sound like.

I've been married for a few years, things are great. We don't have sex as much as when we were younger but who cares? You live for bigger things than just the next time you can get off. And how exactly would MGTOW be an improvement? I get to fuck a real girl a few times a week as compared to always with my hand. Separate bedrooms is for if you have to get up at different times because you both are responsible adults with jobs and need sleep. You still fuck. I wouldn't expect a neet to understand.

The propaganda has been going a long time. Most of our boomer parents sat on ass our entire lives watching TV. They even get mad when we try to talk to them, even as successful adults their goddamn TV is more precious to them.

I did not have a village, I went to school with everybody else and researched shit our teachers told us and we had discussions about which books did Hitler burn and why. Upon finding surviving copies it was monstrous anti white propaganda, it deserved to be destroyed. A lot of us have been redpilled for over 20 years about this stuff and we figured it out more less on our own by not being retarded.

I have no Antena, no Cable, and I block specific YouTube URL's and various bad sites on my proxy. My kids are pretty well shielded here. I just buy DVD's that I approve of and sometimes it's popular shows so they can know what their peers know, but I interact with my kids like 100x more than my father interacted with me and I'm fine. I think my kids are gonna be great. The problem is I can only afford like 2-3 kids and still reasonably expect to be able to put them through college.

I need other whites doing this. We beat the Jew by just living good lives.

Can someone red pill me in this please? I don't know what MGTOW is but it sounds very cuckish/sour grapes given the context.

>Arguing with tradcucks

Why do you bother? All they do is make emotional appeals and insult. Half of them are just undercover roasties pretending to be beta providers pretending to be alpha males.

Meanwhile, the marriage rate continues to plummet. Stay toasty, roasties.

If the issue is with the chick, then where would you find the right chick? Seems you are looking for love in the proverbial dive bar user, or just straw manning women into a monolith of a group.

That's up to you to never allow the fire to die. But that'd recquire some effort from mgtow unresponsible fagot.

literally just said i don't want to get married.
>There's a reason all civilizations have had to guarantee a woman's virginity before marriage.
>all civilizations
haha what read a book. literally any book, from a book that would tell you that nowhere near "all" civilisations did this, to a book that would tell you about the difficulty of guaranteeing virginity, to a book about ancient relationships. some books might even have theories that jesus christ may have married mary magdalene. even if it didn't happen, it wasn't outside the realm of possibility.

if you want an in-depth elaborate explanation and refutation of the sort of shaming towards mgtow being practiced, this is long but very thorough and good.
>youtube.com/watch?v=faeT4fIFAcg

In short, MGTOW is a social phenomena of the contract of marriage no longer being perceived as worth it to modern men, who rather than signing their shit away and getting married, opt out and abstain from long term relationships, marriage and children, some of the more extreme mgtow abstain from short term relationships and casual sex as well. This is due to the inherent legal and economic risk involved with interaction with women nowadays.
>false rape accusations
>spermjacking
>divorce rape
>etc.

it's literally Sour Grapes: The "Not A Movement" Movement.

>I hate what I can't have.

It is pretty sour grapes, but they also have good points sometimes. The thing is, in actuality, theyre not even against feminism in theory, as feminism claims to be egalitarian. In reality though, women have been freed of their traditional gender roles and expectations while men have not. As much as you'll see articles or whatever saying that men need to be more sensitive and less masculine or whatever, the simple truth is that generally women instinctively want mates that are stronger and more responsible than they are. They want a leader to look up to, not a partner. Too many men bought into this promise of partnership that feminism and the left in general have pushed for the past 20 or so years, and as a result of seeing the reality, there are a lot of very bitter young men.

t. Someone who hasnt learned how to play roasties

Most men? Cool stats cuck. Get turned down alot?

It's essentially, "Oh no, I'm a kissless virgin approaching 30, better pretend like I planned this: the movement."

I like to call it blood coated gilded shackles.

Beta submissive cuckcrybaby spotted.
Go die in a corner in silence.

>actually believing in the kikes meme
im natsoc and even i am mgtow, it has nothing to do with the jews, if anything the liberal jews got manipulated by their sluty women just like the rest of the west

My biggest problem with anti-MGTOW people is their fallback on shaming tactics. MGTOW isn't a phenomenon that would exist in a vacuum, it goes against men's inherent biological programming. It is a reaction to the legal/economic unfairness of family courts and the legal system as well as the modern superculture of feminism and gynocentrism.

Most men go their own way after years of being shamed and see all shaming on par with shaming from women, so trying to shame them some more into producing white children is unproductive and a waste of time. The more appropriate response to MGTOW is attacking what it is reacting to and would not exist without.

Another reason is because many men analyzed the cost/risk/benefit analysis of marriage and relationships with women, and relationships didn't come out as worth it in the equation. If you want to fight the MGTOW crowd, you have to use this in your arguments and try to re-balance the scales.

THIS
Seriously, is any of you autists who want a chick without any of the effort to get a chick should just fuck off. Chicks are not as shallow as the lot of you think, they look for dedication to self-betterment, which comes with working out, educating yourself, sorting yourself out, and all of the things that make you more valuable. Thankfully, MGTOW isn't saying "Make society conform to you!" like some of the feminist groups here in the states, but it is dishonest to claim that women are a monolith of uptight bitches and all men can find happiness without a woman, and that long term relationships with women are impossible. Seriously, if the lot of you worked to better yourself while at the same time perused what you want, Sup Forums MGTOW would be pulling chicks like a fucking magnet: effortlessly and in mass.

>producing white children is unproductive and a waste of time.
Never fails.

>females are gatekeepers of sex
Wrong mindset. Females are not giving sex as a treat to man.. only thing they really want in their lives is sex (they are the one chasing for it) with the right man..they want to reproduce into oblivion when having right conditions (again when with the right man). Female physique and psychic is programmed utterly for one purpose. SEX = breeding..
our society gave women status and flipped it around

You know mgtow retards are on to something,when shills dissect every thread about them making useful discussion nonexistent.

> many men analyzed the cost/risk/benefit analysis
> relationships didn't come out as worth it in the equation
human beings aren't rational. no-one's mind works this way when actually confronted by real love. this is why people laugh at MGTOWs.

there's this great part in the documentary about Robert Crumb (it's called "Crumb", definitely check it out, he's great) where he's talking about how when he was a teenager he was saying "i don't need women, i'm not going to get married, women only date the bad boys", etc. and he recalls his father saying to him "Ha. You'll marry the first one who comes along."

And then he married the first one who came along.

This is what MGTOWs forget. The "rational" MGTOW mindset tricks people. When a MGTOW finally does meet a woman and falls in love, they'll still believe that they're a rational MGTOW and the woman they've met just happens to be the best woman alive on planet earth, and they'll fall even harder into the thing their whole worldview is about avoiding.

it's like pottey.

kikes lose lots of money if men stop taking skanks out on friday night

It's possible to be MGTOW and have a gf. You have to be willing to not take their shit and call them out whenever they get entitled.

go home alex you're drunk

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>Dont forget, MGTOW dont hate women.
>We simply just dont go along with gynocentrism. We hate the beta cucks who's only reproductive strategy is pandering to women.

Why do you need a reproductive strategy?

It sounds like you feel entitled to reproduce just because you are alive.

the patrice o neal philosophy

pretty much this
MGTOW has some good points but unironically NAWALT

That's the best way desu. We need more anal only women.

Fuck that, aim for a hottie then tame her.
>women are all whores and can't be tamed
Fuck off.

Mgtow is giving up and if you go mgtow solely because you think like op you are a pussy.

Don't care what it is, if the "movement'' rejects women it's a good thing. It should still be a movement in the way that you need to educate other men about the toxic nature of women.