If the Amish can take care of their community without government health care then why can't everyone else?

If the Amish can take care of their community without government health care then why can't everyone else?

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Because the Amish teach their young to be self-reliant.

The Amish are a great counterexample to a lot of lefty talking points desu

>muh healthcare
>muh free money
>muh college
>muh abortions
etc.

They have almost no obesity, cancer, and autism in their society. No government, self reliance, and God makes you a strong person.

Also they have a high gun ownership rate and an almost nonexistent murder rate

City retards have no sense of community or even independence, which is why they want some state to do everything.

Oh, and don't forget:
>literally no blacks

they are jew free

I know Mennonites own guns, but do traditional/hardcore Amish have a high gun ownership rate?

>Where you and I are, perched on the cusp of the 2lst century, Lincoln's independent social reality seems a daydream, yet we need some way to explain the baffling example of the Mondragon Cooperative in the Basque Region of Spain where every one of 120,000 families is indeed an independent producer, which has existed through depressions and recessions for 70 years without a single year of negative growth. And we have to explain away 150,000 Old Order Amish who enjoy nearly universal proprietorship in farms and small enterprises. For both these groups, one American, one Spanish, it is as if giant socialistic governments, giant international corporations and colossal hospitals, social work establishments, colleges and institutional schools have been irrelevant for the entire 20th century. It suggests a third way - which I confess has loomed larger and larger in my own thinking for quite some time now.

>Amish prosperity, strong family, strong faith, strong community, is something I'll speak of in more detail in a little while, but in thinking of it - in contrast to a mudsill society - we need to remember the good things weren't handed to them, but achieved in the face of daunting odds, often against the active enmity of the state and its agencies which have long sought to de-Amish the Amish. The Amish survived and even prevailed against odds. Doesn't that put a base of credibility under Lincoln's or Brownson's assertion that we once operated under a realistic national goal of independence for all. I mean if the Amish have pulled it off when such an aim contradicted the hidden national agenda, surely the rest of us were doing it when it accorded with our national mission.

altruists.org/static/files/Mudsill Theory, The Lancaster Amish & Jaime Escalante (John Taylor Gatto).htm

You are completely right, however there is another issue here the right misses.

Because the Amish benefit from white privilege.

The Amish can never be anything more that small farm communities though. Their luddite ways hold them back from achieving greatness, and the only reason they haven't been conquered and destroyed is because they have Uncle Sam protecting them.

>Jew free
>teach old school traditional Christianity
>Christianity is just Judaism with a book about the son of God added

>talking about something he doesnt know
every time

Haven't seen any numbers but their church does not have any restrictions so its probably in line with other rural communities

amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-guns/

As an Amlet, I agree. Life's pretty based. I am posting this from a clay oven.

Go ahead and explain then turbo autist, or will the Jews manipulate your mind and confuse your message.

Hahaha

>the only reason they haven't been conquered and destroyed is because they have Uncle Sam protecting them.

Protecting them from Canadians?

youtube.com/watch?v=XHR0tsnuUhE
>The Amish can never be anything more that small farm communities though. Their luddite ways hold them back from achieving greatness
Well then it should be even easier for non Amish people to take care of their own
>the only reason they haven't been conquered and destroyed is because they have Uncle Sam protecting them.
Which they pay taxes for
Also the Feds are the greatest threat to your liberty not they protector of it

Do they register their marriages? If no would they count as single-mothers and take a benefits from gov? Turbo-Jews from Brooklyn do so I guess.

Their girls all use pantyhose, skirts and they're submissive.

Literally the perfect society.

>they haven't been conquered and destroyed is because they have Uncle Sam protecting them

I don't know dude, "backwards" mountain people have given significantly larger and better equipped armies lots of problems in the past.

I mean the Amish might not have a geographical advantage in the middle of Pennsylvania but the Appalachians aren't too far away

Uncle Sam is protecting Canada too.

you have information everywhere, your statement was a sign you dont know shit and people shouldn't take your opinion seriously

>When arguing the 1972 Supreme Court case that allowed the Amish to leave school after eighth grade, the lawyer William Ball built his argument with testimony from a county welfare agent, a sheriff and a school administrator, asking questions like, “Are any Amish on welfare?” No. “Are any Amish breaking the law?” No. “Are any Amish a problem in school?” No. The point the attorney was making is that we need to assess the success of Amish education from a more holistic vantage point.

washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/21/we-left-upper-class-suburbia-to-become-amish-and-learned-you-can-be-both-socialist-and-capitalist/

how are they taking care of their community?

The issue here is that the government via laws and propaganda has given the medical schools a monopoly. Right now the leading cause of death for Americans under 50 is opiates. Doctors are given special rights and protections by the state and they prevent other professions from healing the diseases the doctors find profitable to treat.

THe belief in the authority of the doctors makes people feel helpless when the doctors fail.

>A radical monopoly goes deeper than that of any one corporation or any one government. It can take many forms. When cities are built around vehicles, they devalue human feet; when schools pre-empt learning, they devalue the autodidact; when hospitals draft all those who are in critical condition, they impose on society a new form of dying. Ordinary monopolies corner the market;9 radical monopolies disable people from doing or making things on their own.10 The commercial monopoly restricts the flow of commodities; the more insidious social monopoly paralyzes the output of nonmarketable use-values.11 Radical monopolies impinge still further on freedom and independence. They impose a society-wide substitution of commodities for use-values by reshaping the milieu and by "appropriating" those of its general characteristics which have enabled people so far to cope on their own. Intensive education turns autodidacts into unemployables, intensive agriculture destroys the subsistence farmer, and the deployment of police undermines the community's self-control. The malignant spread of medicine has comparable results: it turns mutual care and self-medication into misdemeanors or felonies. Just as clinical iatrogenesis becomes medically incurable when it reaches a critical intensity and then can be reversed only by a decline of the enterprise, so can social iatrogenesis be reversed only by political action that retrenches professional dominance.

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they never have to use the emergency room?

>Lets use cultists as the example for how the state should be run

>tfw you will never raise a barn for a neighbor and feel that community love

I've talked to just one of my neighbors maybe 2 times since I moved here like 5 years ago

sauce!!!

thye still send you a bill
everyone used to do the same before the welfare state

>"Children," he said, "were far better off educated by the general pursuits, habits and moral tone of the community"
Welp. That's obsolete.

>one mans interpretation of a ~1700yr old book in a ~2000yr series is absolute
>implying Christians are any better than Jews
>implying any religion is actually trustworthy

Yeah but if we successfully followed the Amish way we wouldn't have Sup Forums to talk about how successful we'd been

>HURR your wrong
Prove it
>HURR you have to prove your right

Wow typical Jew/Christ/Allah fag.

Can Amish read manga?

>>one mans interpretation of a ~1700yr old book in a ~2000yr series is absolute
The bible is pretty clear

youtube.com/watch?v=ncaorJJM2MI
you dont have to follow them on everything
just on mutual aid vs the welfare state

Amish fucking suck, I live near Berne Indiana, and they are obnoxious. They don't bathe, they dont pay taxes, and their horses shit all over the road (for which they also don't pay taxes)
They make fuckloads of money too, but very little of it gets taxed.

how could they not have autism? There woman are popping out babies into their late thirties, early forties, they must be swimming in downies.

They don't need dental, they just rip out the teeth, in many cases for kids already, and replace them with cheap online bought dentures from china.

Answer:
Niggers

They're both Anabaptist and strict pacifists. If they have guns it is because of individual desire and not any community tradition. Most of the guns will be shotguns or rifles used for hunting or killing livestock.

Difference between Mennonite and Amish is technology use. Mennonite use electricity and drive cars, but they are plainly dressed still. I live in and interact with these communities everyday. I used to drive Amish around to work sites. They're pretty good carpenters. Far better than under the table mexicans.

it's proven, that's what i'm saying, if you want to see the truth or not that's your problem

>they dont pay taxes,
citation needed
>, and their horses shit all over the road
they dont need paved roads
>They make fuckloads of money too, but very little of it gets taxed.
I thought they dont pay any taxes
Also why are you so obsessed with the government getting more shekels
Do they do anything good with it now?

10./10 dis

whjere u live?

I thought they did pay taxes at least

He misses the part about the amish being fucking retarded, most of the boys have a sixth grade education. They keep them stupid so that they can maximize there labor when young, and too eliminate any chance of them leaving the amish for work in the "english" world. The amish system is not a viable real world education system, unless we want to regress to a purely agrarian society and get wiped out by the next streen of super influenza.

>bible is pretty clear
So I guess the walking on water, virgin birth, surviving digestion in a whale, curing at the time incurable diseases, turning water to wine, making 400 loaves from one, rising 3 days after death, and so forth are pretty clear then.

Face it. It is part of a 2000 year old book series that was written by goat herders that recorded everything that happened within 10 miles of their home as the entirety of the world.

The Amish will not mix with Jews or blacks under any circumstance. That Jew who just got arrested in PA for impregnating the teenager who was traded to him by the Amish family. He had a business relationship with the Amish family prior to the exchange of the daughters, which got the family excommunicated from the community b/c he was Jewish. They do not trust Jews under any circumstance b/c they know the real history of Jews in Europe. They haven't been conditioned to place Jews on the pedestal.

The old right didn't miss it, but the new right (liberalism in slower motion) never addresses it for (((obvious reasons))).

Confederated systems in the hands of good people are always more resilient than centralized systems in those same hands, but they're inferior systems for the exploitation of the middle by the high and the low acting in concert.

The predatory behavior of the high/low coalition is the reason that such confederations are either small enough to be largely ignored or large enough to be targeted and destroyed. Preventing the latter is the great struggle of the post-liberal western man.

As the high's birthrates plummet and the lows spiral out of control, it will be up to the stalwart middle to carve out these third-position enclaves and economies in the resulting fallout and engineer them such that a new high/low doesn't immediately rebound to overtake them once more.

The common denominator in each case is a like-minded tribe. New tribes are being born as we speak. Hopefully some of them are of sufficiently capable European stock.

Most US jews are basically atheists and lean left.


Most us christians are the opposite.\


orthodox are obviously not like reformed but are a small minority in the west it seems

>tfw blacks are the new Germans

>tfw the German race will only live on through pacifist Amish....

We will never get another Hitler

It is ancient wisdom collected over thousands of years of trial and error. It doesn't matter what it was called along the way. Stop reading the book literally and realize it is like fairy tales. Wisdom wrapped in entertaining stories. Disregard it at your own peril.

>So I guess the walking on water, virgin birth, surviving digestion in a whale, curing at the time incurable diseases, turning water to wine, making 400 loaves from one, rising 3 days after death, and so forth are pretty clear then.
yes

>Face it. It is part of a 2000 year old book series that was written by goat herders that recorded everything that happened within 10 miles of their home as the entirety of the world.
Who just by chance predicted satanic "Jews" would be the ones destroying modern society

>he thinks goat herders knew how to write and read

Amish run Parvo filled puppy mills and blatantly rip off the non Amish with their muh woodworking.

>its proven

>doesn't proved evidence
>doesn't point out what was even wrong
>no sources

Wanna keep denying you just wanna pander to religious dogma with no grasp of its meaning.

Did you ever think they might not care to use the paved roads but its the only way these days of getting from place to place?

But at the end of the day, thay are happy and don't need us.

Same life expectancy as the average US citizen too. This is with little reliance on modern medicine.

My buddy had a house built by a crew with a bunch of Amish on it. They charged very little and did great work from what I understand. I'm looking into it when I decide to own my own place.

Amish own guns and hunt, kill predators harassing their stock, etc. They just don't shoot people because they're pacifists.

Puppy mills is correct, but they're not overcharging customers b/c of non-amish status. They're doing business, offering their handiwork for a price and you can walk away if you want.

What is the difference if Tommy Hilfiger uses the brand to earn more profit or the Amish using their reputation. BTW find handmade furniture in the US. The Amish isn't charging anymore than anyone else.

I understand the book is just one giant allegory. I'm calling out retards who are taking the words of a 2000 year old book literally because a few lines say "fuck Jews k?"

What? An ethno-religious-homogenous group can take care of their own?!!?!?


Remove the niggers and the spics and the pakis and we'll have our way.

If you literally believe the book word for word, sorry to say kiddo, but you deserve to be killed by these "super evil sneaky jooz".

Because they have healthy diets and levels of physical activity. Universal healthcare will never ever work with the current state of diet/exercise in the majority of the US

just google what you want to discuss, read what you get and we talk about it?

>supporting the jews
man

>He misses the part about the amish being fucking retarded,
>most of the boys have a sixth grade education.
Does not follow. Drop outs like Bill Gates etc are not stupid.

They are happy, successful, wealthy, healthy and their communities are growing and thriving. They are doing so well precisely because they won't allow government to crush their children's spirit.

youtube.com/watch?v=eeEWPbTad_Q

>Our form of compulsory schooling is an invention of the state of Massachusetts around 1850. It was resisted - sometimes with guns - by an estimated eighty per cent of the Massachusetts population, the last outpost in Barnstable on Cape Cod not surrendering its children until the 1880's when the area was seized by militia and children marched to school under guard.

>Now here is a curious idea to ponder. Senator Ted Kennedy's office released a paper not too long ago claiming that prior to compulsory education the state literacy rate was 98% and after it the figure never again reached above 91% where it stands in 1990. I hope that interests you.

naturalchild.org/guest/john_gatto.html

prove the bible is not true

they dont, as soon as they get sick they go to a regular hospital

They can build you a house without a single nail and it will hold together longer than some of these modern houses using screws and nails.

This.

The only time I have seen "overpriced" Amish furniture was when some douche bought the patio/porch rockers and then sold them from his home.

Would you Sup Forums?

>they dont pay taxes,
>citation needed
They don't pay taxes for the roads I should say. They work a lot of construction jobs in the area, building pretty good barns specifically, but go out of there way to divy up the payment to avoid taxes in such a way that no normal company could compete with them. They have modern equipment and vehicles but hold them in jewy corporations to avoid taxes, and then hire illegal mexicans to drive them. they don't pay social security, or the gas taxes that fund our roads (other than there construction vehicles which aren't used much) They are in general a net drain on the economy, if they where replaced with normal farmers the local economies would be better off.
>they dont need paved roads
lol, our roads is all they drive on. They happily plug along at seven miles an hour forming car lines behind them on 2 lane highways. There's shit all over the place, which often gets sprayed onto your car if you're not careful.
>Also why are you so obsessed with the government getting more shekels
How would you like to have a large religious community in your area who believe you are going to hell and treat you like it in public, who take more out of the local economy than they put in, and literally cover the highways in shit?
They also will send boats of boys out on the local lakes in the fall to catch as much fish as they can, regardless of size limits because the DNR can't be bothered.

They do pay taxes. Only exception is social security tax, which they can't collect from.

Newsflash, Jews can be far more zealous and naive when it comes to their own religion. Thousands if not millions of Jews take the words in their holy book seriously about them being above everyone else and we're just basically cattle.

Cucktianity is not Judaism because its moral while Judaism is evil.

they are mooching off the US army and the police and fire depts and ALL the judeo fascist religious cults are baby crazy because they live off welfare gibsmedats

>most of the boys have a sixth grade education.
>Does not follow. Drop outs like Bill Gates etc are not stupid.
>relies on a unicorn to make his point
They aren't dropping out to build computers in their home garages, they drop out because they are cheap labor for the farm and they have no use for any sort of advanced education because the only book they will ever read is the bible. These aren't intelligent people, the most complicated thing they will do in there entire lives is build a barn, and that all relies on 1 guy in charge, the rest are just dumb laborers.

there is a consistent theme throughout the whole book which is pretty impressive considering it has over 40 authors and covers a span of nearly 4000 years.
once the main narrative settles in, youll find the miracles not only possible but incredibly easy to believe. lsd has already proven the human mind has the capacity for visions

Isn't abuse pretty rife in those communities though? I wouldn't call it a perfect society if you got alot of bad shit going on behind doors.

>The amish system is not a viable real world education system, unless we want to regress to a purely agrarian society and get wiped out by the next streen of super influenza.
I'm going to address this now.

Chomsky, once the leading academic in linguistic did not benefit from public education. His ideas were great advancements and used widely in thinks like AI. Nassim Taleb, brilliant self made multimillionare and a thinker was never interested in school. Steve Jobs dropped out, and the only course he talked about later was calligraphy. Einstein was not exceptional student, Tesla and Edison were mostly self taught.

>Thomas Edison was described by educators as “addled,” and spent only a few months in a formal classroom before being taken out of school and educated by his mother.

The modern world has been disproportionately built by people who either did not go to school or were not very good at it.

highly skilled craftsmen. i've seen their stuff and it's cool.

>They aren't dropping out to build computers in their home garages, they drop out because they are cheap labor for the farm and they have no use for any sort of advanced education because the only book they will ever read is the bible. These aren't intelligent people, the most complicated thing they will do in there entire lives is build a barn, and that all relies on 1 guy in charge, the rest are just dumb laborers.
As opposed to the burger flippers with Masters in Gender Studies? Most people going to unis are not exactly brilliant.

>flag
>cuckistani

They dont have any genetic diversity either. Look at the photo.

But do they succ benis

Yes yes, 6 pints, no, no

You do not know what you are talking about. Lets see you run a 200 acre farm profitably without a drop of gasoline.

Ok.
>virgin birth
An extremely rare occurrence in some species requiring genetic mutation, but as of yet has been found to be impossible in human beings.
>walk on water
Surface tension of water is not strong enough to hold an averge weight male, let's say for the time period being 165lbs, from submerging.
>healing incurable disease and ailments
Without modern medicine and surgery methods, restoring lost function of limbs and organs like the eyes is impossible. Not until the last 60 or so years has the idea of ocular implants and donations even been possible without maiming and killing the patient.
>rising from the dead after 3 days
If your dead, your dead. Even with modern medicine it is not possible to resuscitate an individual who has had zero brain function for more than a few hours. If done soon enough post death an individual can be resuscitated, but will require complex machinery to maintain remaking brain function if any form of brain death has occurred.

You getting the picture yet.

that's retarded logic. I would rather not have to use the public roads as well, but I have too, so I pay for their use. If they didn't want to come into contact with roads or the "english" world they could do that, build there farms deeper in the country and avoid the towns. But they do the opposite, they go to fucking wal mart for fucks sake! They love to use our roads, and probably laugh everytime they see a car get shit on it, just like I laugh everytime I see one of their families get plastered by a semi on the highway.

No one who has to live with these fucks actually likes them, and here you all are jerking off on their amish beards despite never having encountered them in your life.

I attend farm auctions often seeing if I can grab any ag land on the cheap. The amish show up and pay cash. Literally millions of dollars in cash without a loan.

I live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish around here are nice people.

tfw no qtpie amish gf to push my brown cock into

Most famers can't do it even with gasoline, and they often hate their jobs. Of course, they can't think coherently thanks to 12+ years of public schooling destroying their minds.

Every religion has a consistent theme. Does that mean Christians are wrong and Ra is who we should worship?

>As an Amlet, I agree. Life's pretty based. I am posting this from a clay oven.
DUDE. YOU HAVE NO IDEA!

My wife used to work as a publisher/transcriber for a company that worked on a weekly publication for the Amish. At the time we lived near "Their" country. This publication was literally their version of Sup Forums. It was nothing but public posts talking about how certain villages are or what ever the local scribe was putting out there. There were some where they were bitching about how in their society the more plain and humble you are is IDENTICAL to how slutty and trashy you are in ours.....They would bitch about this woman's dress being more plain than hers in the stitching....

It was very educational for me, having grown up with them as common sights on the highways and cornerstores in the am. They are really based people, and I trust amish before any mennonite. Mennonites are the jews of the "Plain People". Around Mennonites, never relax.

Uni: 50% of graduates become retarded burger flippers (thats not anywhere near accurate, but just to be kind to your dumb argument)
Amish: 100% becomes retarded cow patty flippers.

Looks like the universities won this round.