Carl Senna wrote in a book in the 70s about the fallacy of IQ testing.
True enough, proof exists that a man made intelligence test fails to truly quantify the ingenuity and intelligence of mankind
Here are 3 examples regarding the inadequacies of man made test of intelligence amongst peoples said to be less intelligent than the norm
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How can a test truly measure the true intelligence of mankind?
Everything man puts his hands on is skewed. Can't hate on us for trying. I'd say, measure the average impact of man and use that as the standard. The only thing is, the bar is low and the children will complain
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Intelligent comment.
Hope you have influence amongst your community
IQ tests primarily are about testing pattern recognition and problemsolving capabilities. If an entire group of people on avg. sucks at those basic skills, and in some cases are even outsmarted by Gorillas on avg. then they have no place among a group who doesn't.
IQ is a great way of determining averages, but averages don't determine an individual. That's why we can say that white and east asian majority societies are the most intelligent on average and therefore work the best, but concerning individuals it's all a guess as to their "true quantity of ingenuity and intelligence"
Mr off topic
Economy is not the topic
I was asking if it was possible that measure of intelligence is based on factors that have not been envisioned as a sign of intelligence
You missed the target
IQ testing is not perfect but still extremely reliable compared to any other measure
don't think Senna knows what "fallacy" means
Of course economy is a good indicator of intelligence. Are you even listening to what you're typing, or are you just here to bait?
Iq tests are mostly to spot people to send to "special" education.
Anything between one standard of deviation and you're good.
IQ tests don't "truly" measure the intelligence of mankind - they're not perfect - just statistically sound and a good predictor of success or otherwise in various fields of endeavour.
Hunters of deer know to use salt licks and the hormones in female deer piss to get sucess in hunting.
Have you ever seen a test take this into account when measuring intelligence?
The idea here is not about measuring gorillas vs humans but to ask if human intelligence tests can grasp or even take into account clever usage of instinct and primitive knowledge or primal connections as a compass for measuring intelligence
the answer is NO, as demonstrated in the book I referenced
>Have you ever seen a test take this into account when measuring intelligence?
An IQ test measures how perceptive you are, so yes a hunter with higher IQ was the one that probably figured that out.
Isn't that the point, as illustrated in Carl Senna's book? That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?
For example, logic is measured in IQ tests based on logic tests that have been set up to measure nothing more than problem solving that is related nothing more to problem solving outside the functional world?
Example: logic with chocolate bars and apples or patterns but never in a real world setting
No IQ test measures hunting skill logic but takes into consideration purchase based logic or benefits or mathematical equation solving. Something that our brain does during hunting without the need for a formula
Who is smarter in the Dolphin fishing situation, man or animal
Replace IQ testing with the BITCH-100. Far more useful.
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What do you say to visual reaction speed tests that correlate to g? Surely the speed of your nervous system and visual processing centers isn't culturally conditioned, or test-biased.
Not that any of our babbling matters anyway when all of this is going to be settled by a full genetic science within the next couple of decades. I suspect western countries will simply outlaw the research, burn the books, and electro-magnetize the computer databases. East Asian universities will accelerate the research at that point.
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Why do I have the feeling that this is going into the "my group sucks at this game, therefore the game is shit" direction.
Economics is based on knowledge that is very recent. It does not take into account barter or even trade benefits betweem man and nature
What is smarter...human markets or trade (economics) that benefit man and nature?
How does one measure in an ecologically detrimental system where only man benefits vs the benefits of all, including ecosystem that benefits all?
>IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge
IQ tests are more about pattern recognition.
>my group sucks at this game, therefore the game is shit
Is what the salty 85IQ Brazilian who started this thread thinks.
>That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?
yet the two most highly intelligent populations (whites and east asians) have had the most progress. Is that just a coincidence?
So Mexicans are intelligent?
Relative to Brazilians? Evidently.
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Per capita, you fuck. Raw GDP is bullshit. Anyway, they still are smarter than niggers and most of the middle east.
but no human test of IQ can acurately take into account the use of Dogs, dolphins or other animals in the acquisition of basic ressources
According to Senna, IQ test measure only egoistical competence and therefore are detrimental the higher human scores go
Should IQ test not measure intelligence based on the survival of mankind and the world around them rather than praise self worth and survival?
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>That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?
He just called pattern recognition and problem solving capabilities "arbitrary knowledge", so the answer is yes I suppose.
>but no human test of IQ can acurately take into account the use of Dogs, dolphins or other animals in the acquisition of basic ressources
It does, the humans had to me intelligent enough to understand what was going on and coordinate with the animals
Please go ahead and enjoy role playing the noble savage. Meanwhile the people over a standard deviation above you will continue working towards giving you the ability to LARP about it on the internet.
The idea is that by attempting to quantify intelligence based on obscure tests, one should accept that all civilizations are beneficial in some respects to the greater achievement of man
Learn from all and spread knowledge for the improvement of mankind
Killer Whales are super smart.
>egoistical competence
Sounds like relativism of success. What is that smell. It smells red. Could it be marxism?
>Should IQ test not measure intelligence based on the survival of mankind and the world around them rather than praise self worth and survival?
Without our stuff most of Africa would commit self-genocide in a matter of weeks...
>obscure tests
muh evil sounding adjectives
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so op, a nigger and einstein have the same potential mentally? fuck off.
>one should accept that all civilizations are beneficial in some respects to the greater achievement of man
Do you have any evidence to support that?
It's the abstraction argument.
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I see what you're doing. You're talking about 2nd and 3rd order effects of individual and group actions. The ability to project forward in time, and to modify one's actions accordingly is related to time preference, which is also negatively correlated to intelligence. Smarter people on average will be able to reason based on a longer time horizon than less intelligent people. Whether their choices actually result in positive outcomes has nothing to do with the fact that they were at least able to ATTEMPT to reason with a longer time horizon. Negative externalities of group behavior are separate issues from pure processing power.
A billion hz computer is still able to perform more calculations per second than a 10 hz computer, even if the billion hz computer spawns a genocide machine race that destroys the human race. The information processing abilities of human neurological systems are no less objective.
You want to argue that intelligence does not always come with WISDOM, and that's a fair point. However, you are reaching too far by attempting to mix definitions in order to invalidate the concept of intelligence. It suggests that you have some personal ax to grind--perhaps you're worried that objectively speaking, you're relatively low intelligence, or that your line may be genetically predisposed to be so.
Too bad. Your rhetoric won't change material reality.
Excuse me are you in South America talking about the failure of capitalism?
And your solution is a barter economy?
Patterns are but one measure on a scale of so many abstract talents that have become the toolset of humankind
hate the assholes of a given race but understand that hatred for native peoples as savages is wrong because even the most sophisticated science still tries to learn and steal what the fuck the native people have as medicine in our modern world.
People shit on Brazil and its peoples. So why is the jew pharma elite coming into the jungle to steal from them what the fuck they have been using for 10,000 years?
No native brazilian will ever call you a cracker or a nigger...they will cure you for free if you bring them a gift from your people.
That upsets big pharma cause they come into the amazon and try to pervert the very medicine that has kept mankind disease free and striving for 10,000 years.
If primitive people were such shit, why does big pharma go into rainforests in an attempt to steal mankind's free treasures of cures and treatment they would never deny you for a minute if you take the time to contact them?
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I want for people of all nations to spread their knowledge without being called names
Divide and conquer and insults are not the key to advancement of human beings
Sure. We can all learn from Zimbabwe.
>That IQ tests are made to rank population intelligence based on arbitrary knowledge that seldom would lead to advancement or survivial?
That must be why high-IQ western countries are shitholes and african chimp countries are so advanced.
Fuck off huehue, this is piss poor bait.
Maybe you should work on developing a sober, sophisticated, and compassionate response to the reality of human biological inequality, rather than trying to use rhetoric to trick people into thinking intelligence is a vacuous neurological metric. Lying to yourself and others isn't the answer.
Are IQ tests obscure?
Have you taken one?
There are certain categories that are much more difficult than others but........ The vast majority of the tests involve no words, can be taken using physical objects, and have a very simple set of instructions (which object fits into which, what comes next in the pattern, which is bigger, etc)
Just....
Carl Senna really mean, because the white, non Jews didn't come in last, the test must be invalid.
He would not have cared if the people he hated didn't keep winning so much of the time.
He knows in his heart that niggers are the lowest form of human and he must discourage any investigation into race and intelligence to save not just their feelings but his own. He is afraid to find something about himself that is deficient and unchangeable, thus no one must try to test intelligence.
Welcome to the new dark ages.
So why do white people and asian people seek to steal and patent the secrets of the amazon savages to cure modern ailments.
If you come to Brazil. no native community will ever bankrupt you like pharma to cure you or your loved ones
Think about how much they spend to rob and cheat the brazilian natives out of medicines these people believe we all should have for free
Big pharma spends billions to learn the secrets of the savages to cure you when no native of brazil asks for a dime
yet history books make fun of natives that would sell everything for a piece of mirror when the fact is that they have no idea what the fuck private ownership was all about
They still believe. even if you visit here that a firm handshake and a smile is worth them curing you and your loved ones of a disease
the only people who whine about IQ are retards with retard IQ.
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see what i mean?
>tfw literal super genius IQ
Who is smarter, the people making millions off of medicine, wherever it may come from, or people living in the jungle eating monkey meat and wearing loin cloths.
They have plant knowledge that they want to share but big pharma makes you believe you can only buy from them
They will cure you and not get a dime if you show you are a good person
No shaman ever called me a cracker, nigger or asked me for a dime
Why are you praising people for knowing their surrounding area after living there for ages? That is the minimum standard for survival.
Why does big pharma spend billions reverse engineering amazon medicine if they are so worthless???
you would think science would not need them anymore but they still seek to acquire the knowledge of the savages
yes but modern intelligence tests do not taken in native knowledge of plants,. interactions with animals or their true symbiosis with nature
>Hunters of deer know to use salt licks and the hormones in female deer piss to get sucess in hunting.
They know this because of their pattern recognition and problem solving capabilities.
Despite being asked repeatedly in this thread, at no point do you address the fact that low-IQ subhumans have shitty societies and high IQ people don't. You live in a shithole because you'r full of niggers and weird amazonians. They might have adapted over hundreds or thousands of years to find a plant that helps against malaria, but they have no idea why it works, and not the slightest inclination to find out, to isolate the active ingredient, or to synthesize cognate compounds which might work better. They would rather roll around in shit, fuck a bit, hit other people over the head with sticks, and thankfully die. Utter waste of fucking space. So stick with your amazing ability to chew a bit of fucking bark, and leave us to reach mars.
Like a soccer commentator once said of the USA. We didn't say the USA could not play the game at all. We said they could not play the game well. (He's right. The USA has some big issues with team work and sticking with a formation.)
Primitive humans are not incapable of logic, they are just not very good at it. Taking resources is also called conquest or exploitation. You may think that only whites or Jews do this but every group of humans does this to some degree. Some groups of humans do it vastly much better than others.
>worthless
They are perfectly suited to live as they want to/as is natural for them in their environment. How does that make them wothless and who said that except you? Stop building strawmen.
What is wrong with you? Stop comparing yourself to people who have a higher IQ and focus on improving yourself as much as possible. Do you see us Europeans moaning about how shitty complex East Asian social structure is because being butthurt that they have a higher IQ? No ffs. Stop being angry children.
Pattern recognition is not all of what makes an individual or a society successful, but it has a lot to do with general intelligence, which is why non-verbal IQ tests are fairly useful in predicting such success.
>why is the jew pharma elite coming into the jungle to steal from them what the fuck they have been using for 10,000 years?
Different peoples developed in different parts of the world. Things that grow in jungles are relatively foreign to Europeans, so those things are being investigated now in their jungles instead of two thousand years ago in Europe.
Indios are perfectly fine in their own realm but they do not perform up to spec in white societies, and, more importantly, they are not us. Racism is good and healthy for any ethnic group and should be reinforced.
Why does modern science attempt to discover savage medicine and spent billions in reverse pharmacology if these people are useless???
Big pharma tricks you into thinking these people are savages but they keep the secrets of medicine from you because you cannot come to brazil and get treatment for free from people who do not care for money
Bring a polish sausage to brazil and a shaman will be happy to give you medicine
Who do you think gives knowledge to modern medicine? Identifies plants for them to study?
Why does pharma study the plants they use as tradition to make medicine that costs you a fortune when they use the medicine for 10.000 years for free with no side effects?
Fluid intelligence
Crystalline intelligence
Fluid intelligence would be the raw processing power, measurable in IQ tests that are at least somewhat accurate.
Crystalline intelligence would be the knowledge and wisdom you've gained over time. The stored lessons.
Fluid intelligence is important because it is how fast, efficient, and thorough your building of crystalline intelligence is.
Once you've learned how to complete a task (built crystalline intelligence of it), you're typically going to be able to complete the task into perpetuity.
And what about the thousands of other snake oil remedies that DON'T work that are still used by traditional witchdoctors? Any idiot can spend a hundred generations testing every plant and venom in the Amazon on dumb villagers, killing most of them, until they find something that actually works, and then continue to use it. You want to make it look like these savages are doing double blind studies of rats and baboons, studying quantitative data, and then easing people into safe medical trials in order to invent cures that western big pharma is too "unintelligent" to find.
It really is painful watching stupid people make arguments. Whether it's black Pharaohs, cosmic melanin, or ancient Indian magic, it's all painfully dimwitted. The Chinese are going to kill all of you one day.
people 'round here ever heard of neuroplasticity?
you are not comfortable with the fact that some people are seen as "less intelligent" and are trying to define intelligence in a way that doesn't make sense.
>People shit on Brazil and its peoples. So why is the jew pharma elite coming into the jungle to steal from them what the fuck they have been using for 10,000 years?
See this illustrates perfectly.
Btw Brazil is not shit because it's people are less intelligent, it's shit because of corruption and "jeitinho" culture which makes it so people are always taking small shortcuts for self-benefit at the expense of everyone else.
Redefining intelligence btw will not do you any good, people will just come with another term that replaces and means exactly what it meant before.
>No native brazilian will ever call you a cracker or a nigger...they will cure you for free if you bring them a gift from your people.
Do you mean the natives? Maybe, but that doesn't make them intelligent, it makes them kind maybe, and there's nothing wrong with being kind btw!
Why does the western world study savage medicine?
Because no native brazilian would see you the medicine, they would give it to you for free
Pharma will reverse engineer free medicine and sell it to you for profit
my score was 138 and I was adult tested by a psychologist (had to take it for college)
IQ is not a proper method of testing total intelligence. The methods used test mental capability in standard situations and the main goal of an IQ test is to demonstrate an individual's capability for learning. This is why IQ tests are sometimes called inadequate for testing adults, but the test score is useful since adults learn in a more applied way which incorporates some parts of the test.
This is the point we need to pound home. Why is it necessary that I have a positive opinion on one group that you arbitrarily belong to? If you're a black man you belong to many different groups, not just black. You belong to men, to straight men, to straight people, to Americans, to westerners, and so on. Studying IQ only helps us make rational decisions and view reality correctly. It prevents us from devising racist plans to fix what has been falsely called an inequity.
>Crystalline intelligence
You mean 'knowledge'? Okay. I'm not sure why you feel the need to invent a new adjective/noun combination when a perfectly good work already exists in English. Are you making of terms to suit yourself?
Knowledge and intelligence are different things, which is why we use different words to describe them. Part of intelligence is the ability to assimilate knowledge in the first place. The lower one's intelligence, the more difficult it is to assimilate knowledge, or "crystalline intelligence" as you arbitrarily call it.
Despite whatever flaws there are in IQ testing, no matter how much you hand-wave, it isn't going to change the fact that a properly tested 70 IQ person is stupid compared to a 140 IQ person.
It doesn't matter if you can practice for IQ tests, or being hungover will negatively affect your performance, or one person is stronger or runs faster than the other, or if the dumb person isn't "acculterated" like the smart person. The 70 IQ person will be a moron no matter how much education you try to stuff down their throat or make them practice for the test.
Bottom line, the reason that especially leftists hate IQ testing is because blacks consistently do poorly on them.
The idea is that Amazonian natives don't ask for money to cure you
Rich Pharma takes their free medicine and makes a version that costs you money + causes side effects
why do pharma spend BILLIONS to know what the natives have known for 10,000 years?
because what they have is free, what they sell costs you your soul
That knowledge was developed through zetetic experiment... "Bokula has puss coming from her eye, let's try rubbing these leaves on it, it worked! Tell people about this for hundreds of years now"
That's your evidence for an intelligent people? Rainforest peoples have access to many many ecological resources. Unlimited zetetic experimentation has resulted in many discoveries. We're so proud. We're all just so proud.
why does big pharma spend billions in the amazon to find out what the savages offer for free?
Cause they make their own poison versions you could get for free, tested for 10,000 years by giving a good person a handshake
kek better the work explotation of the cap system
Why do the amazon savages have access to medicine that pharma spends billions to find out about and then sell to you for your fortune when you can buy at a market here in brazil for pennies?
Iboga, a plant from Africa can save the US from heroin addiction; You can get for 5$ in Africa but is illegal in the US
Or Ayahusca that can do the same, you can get for free but you will trust big pharma to help you when they have been behind the od epidemic in the us
It's a good indicator
The amazon, big pharma and their need to come to the savages to find medicine that has been part of humankind for 10,000+ years for free but you will soon have to purchase, although if you come down to Brazil you can buy the original safe version for nothing
>why do pharma spend BILLIONS to know what the natives have known for 10,000 years?
Appearently because they have been living there and it is more efficient to simply ask them instead of doing extensive research on their own.
>zetetic experimentation has resulted in many discoveries
The only drawback is it also results in untold numbers of deaths for the unfortunates who pick the wrong leaf so to speak.
>Crystalline intelligence would be the knowledge
Yes, crystalline intelligence is knowledge and wisdom. But it's not just that x=11 but also how to find for x...
I didn't invent these terms, these are terms used by people specialized in the field.
People have explained why in this thread, and you're too stupid to process the information.
Well, it might be true. People succeed in different kind of things and a person with higher IQ than some other will not beat him in every problem solving situation.
If all primitive peoples where so retarded why does big pharma have a need to learn from the rainforest savages?
AND spend billions to modify said natural remedies which you can get for free so they can charge you a large sum of money although you will get anal leakage?
In the Amazon, you have markets and nice people that will talk to you and give you what you need. medicine as god intended and not charge you more than a smile and a firm handshake
The rainforest has ecological resources not available elsewhere... That would likely be why...
Thousands of years of discoveries by people with access to these materials is being catalogued, dissected, and surpassed in a matter of decades...
No
What I am saying is that the medicine that big pharma wants to acquire, reverse engineer and sell you for a fortune is available at markets in the amazon for next to nothing
God provides medicine and food for these people, they are not part of bullshit , just nice people that will help other nice people because they teach to others the medicine that was given to us all by god
Native Brazilian people don't care how much money you have, what religion or political group you are from; They care for your respect, firm handshake and kindness
This has been covered in the thread already.
The native people of Zimbabwe were invaded for ressources and medicine.
Make no mistake, their native knowledge of natural medicine is as much of value as the gold in their dirt
The Amazon and other rain forests are our medincine cabinets. The native people have the knowledge and don't want money. They look for respect, nothing more. Especially here in Brazil at native markets and fairs.
Big pharma convinces you that jungle people are stupid and worthless but spend billions to reverse engineer and sell to you for a profit what these people would give to you and your loved ones for free
how do you explain correlation between IQ (as presently measured) and income, lack of criminality, empathy etc.
If they are so retarded, why do they spend billions to unlock the secrets of the medicine these people would offer you for free if you asked
When was the last time big pharma gave you anything without a profit?
The native peoples have no stock options or board members but I assure you that you could get a cure by sharing a beer and a warm hug just as I would in an English pub if you came down an interacted with a you know nothing of
The greatest trick big pharma even pulled is to convince you that their reversed engineered meds are better than the free and tried and tested medicine your brazilian brothers would give you for free
No shaman ever called me a nigger or you a prat, nor would they charge you a dime to save a person you loved
Their knowledge is for all, not just for them
This Brazilnigger being physically incapable of understanding the idea of measurable intelligence is ironically a demonstration of the explanatory power of IQ
I live in Brazil, close to the Amazon.
The natives are protected by law cause big pharma comes in, offeres them some T-Shirts and then takes a remedy to cure cancer, locks them away like the diamond industry does rough stones and then cuts them (reverse engineer) packed with side effects and sells them to you for your soul
If these people were so fucking retarded, why would big pharma and NGOs spend billions to learn their potions and then sell knock-offs at insane prices?
You can't sell for profit a natural and tried & tested formula for peanuts or a handshake or a simple gift like they do at native medicine markets in brazil.
No. They charge you profit for something Native Brazilians believe you should get for fucking free
Sure, I went to College in the USA and in Canada.
I was tested for book smarts but they never asked me to play piano or even cared about the fact that I can hunt, track game or speak 3 languages or strum a clit to climax
You clearly did not read his book
So, you've never taken an IQ test...
So why does big pharma want to know the secrets of savages that rate as retarded on the IQ test?
Why is native knowledge worth billions if these people are so fucking stupid they can't pass basic chem?
haHAHAAHAH
Cause no native Brazilian would sell you a cure;;;;big pharma banks on the fact you are naive
The point is that these people believe, like Nicola Tesla, linux, that human knowledge should be free and benefit all mankind
not just the asshole that can purchase a patent
Sure, there may be more to intelligence than just IQ. But there is zero reason to think that jungle monkeys have some kind of hidden wisdom. Inferior races perform exactly as shitty as their low IQs predict
I praise all people that believe their knowledge should be used for all mankind
Like Nicola Tesla, Linux and the native people of rainforests that want us all to be better
So how did the native peoples of the Amazon know that B. Caapi alone was not psychoactive when the panther gets high off of it like catnip.
The use an MAIO inhibitor was needed for humans to trip on the same plant the panther does alone
>dolphins smarter then japs
>chinks using beasts of burden to fish
>niggers stealing from lions
ow my god! IQ is a lie