What does Sup Forums think of tradesmen and trades school?

What does Sup Forums think of tradesmen and trades school?

Is it a good alternative to a Liberal Arts degree?

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it's ok, depends on you

t. tradesman

What do you do specifically?

Also how much do you make?

That's a fucking nice wall.

worth it just to not be surrounded by millennial faggots and HR roasties all day

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Dude. Not getting a liberal arts degree is better than getting a liberal arts degree. If you're gonna end up making food at McDonald's you might as well start 3 years earlier and without 50k+ debt.

That being said trade schools are way superior to useless collage degrees. If you want to go to colage get a degree in something that will allow you to get a job in that field (STEM and such).

Shit I left sage from an earier reply.

No worries

That's the shittiest wall I've ever seen. It has a giant fucking hole in it.

Depends on you.

Most people who do degrees have a hard time getting a job out of college, but settle into something marginally related. For instance engineering students becoming industrial designers or working making concrete blocks, accounting students becoming managers and office admins, computer science students becoming graphic designers and maintenance technicians.

The same thing applies in the trades I assume. For instance being an electrician is a good starting point for working with CCTV, at least around here.

Basically education is in general good, so long as it's practical, and you don't drop out.

Plumbing, hvac and electrician are god tier for easy money.

All the young people I know who are doing alright either have a job which didn't require a degree or started with the military. Everyone else is choking on debt and working shit jobs.

College is nice if you actually need to learn something for the career you want to pursue, but it's pretty worthless otherwise to get a degree. Take a few classes to learn the stuff you need to learn, then get the hell out of there.

>tfw do elevator repairs

set to make $60 an hour with lots of OT available once I complete my apprenticeship.

>hvac
>god-tier money
Please user.

I'm a welder. I got my certification in about 9 months. I'm currently making 22$ an hour as an ironworker. Honestly it's dangerous work and rough on your body. But I have coworkers making 35$ an hour. Plus overtime as well. But I like welding a lot. I have welders at home as well. The trades are good to get into, but don't be an auto mechanic, they make shitty pay. Diesel mechanic pays good though.

>good alternative to a Liberal Arts degree
literally anything is better...
staying in your room fapping to porn & playing vidya games all day is better
kys is better

it's called an embrasure.

If you enjoy it, most trades are good bets. You have to find the right one for you though. I tried out electrician work for a while, and it was interesting but I hated the construction lifestyle (lots of travel). I'm now a machinist and I'm learning about the machines, programming, quality control, etc.

OR you can have free college, not have to work shit jobs to pay debt.

Basically have a job in mind, and don't expect to be able to jump around jobs

I was on an electricians crew a decade ago. 18 hour days in the Texas heat surrounded by non-whites.

Plumbing actually sounds fun. How long does it take to get into? Can I work for myself and under the table?

Can someone redpill me even how to start? I mean there isn't a college for this stuff right?

>CS degree
>trouble finding a job
The only way you're going to be a "graphic designer" or "maintenance technician" is if you're an absolute fucking idiot.

>trade: contributes and develops to society
>liberal arts: fucking nothing
Only a leaf would ask this

If you're not doing STEM, accounting or medicine, stay the fuck out of college and get into a trade.
For good advice on this subject check out this channel: youtube.com/user/AaronClarey

Go to a trade school.

A liberal arts degree is useless for employment though, either get a trade or go for a real degree

I make lower six figures working HVAC.

You know Sage goes in the options field and not name, right?

UK / US sparkys

I'm a UK Sparky looking to move to the states. I'm sick of this shit hole. Anything I need to know? Do I need to retrain?

>go into welding
>enjoy scuba diving
>spend a couple hrs getting certified for scuba
>work in tropical cruise-ship ports doing bomb-detections for Norwegian cruise lines
>start out at 127kUS

________________________

>suck at school
>go to community college
>learn golf course management by learning excel spreadsheets and chem 097
>find out there's a YUGE deficit and they need positions filled
>live in Japan
>live in hawaii
>live in florida
Make six figures

BOOM

Both 2 yr trade degrees. Both need positions filled. Both easy as fuck. Both have real-life advantages.

Put me in your will when you die happy with wiggle-hipped expats grinding your dick.

fuck off Mr. fancy word man

sage goes in all fields m8.

Tradie college is a great education, when choosing electives make sure to go for the essentials

>wife beating
>pitbull husbandry
>drink driving

I work for a self employed plumber in Mass - he makes $250k/yr.
Spends most of it on pills tho..!

>a liberal arts degree
is not a real thing. There are liberal arts schools that give degrees just like any other college, but they are usually smaller in size than the average college.

In Chicago you will have to test. Electricians make about 50/hr working for a contractor in the city. Chicago regulations are very strict, since the fire.

HVAC user here, money is good and you'll never be out of work.....but it ain't easy.

For plebs that dropped out of school

>when your life can be summed up in a meme
>feelsbadman

Trades can be a great alternative to traditional schooling and careers.

Some pros:
>Don't need to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars to get a degree
>Almost guaranteed to have work if youre smart and get into a trade your area needs
>Good profit margins if your not a dog fucker

Cons:
>Long hours
>Mostly hard manual labour
>Old guys always bullshitting and pretending they know how to do something but in reality they are drunk or stoned and are more likely to fuck shit up
>Shitty OHS workers constantly making life hard
>can be seasonal based

Things to avoid at all costs:
>Unions
>unpaid apprenticeships

t.general contractor

I'll always be glad their are uninformed yuppie faggots like you who think all trade jobs are low earning. It keeps the competition away.

Nigger I've made 3k in my time off.

ex-neet trade school success story reporting

Trades are a great alternative to the countless worthless degrees you could get. If you're not going STEM or business I'd say go for a trade, just make sure you look into the path to get certified at higher levels, because that's where the money comes in.

>Be me
>low voltage electrician
>easy job 90% of the time
>make $35 an hour
>regularly get prevailing wage @ $65
>end up making about 90-100k a year.
>only requires a two year apprenticeship

I'd say it is pretty sweet. No PC culture. I can swear and call people faggots when they are being faggots. All men in the trade. Mostly conservative if you avoid unions.

current project

I just started my apprenticeship, dads company and we have great connections to the local union so I was born into great privilege.
>21
>living in cuckifrornia
>making more that 40k per year that is only going to keep going up
>vacation fund and 401k
All the liberal fags going to college and living below poverty. Meanwhile Me and my wife have our own place living the American dream.

God I imagine the autism needed in order to cut those rocks to make em stack so tightyly

Also they give me a van and pay my gas and buy all my tools. If you don't have a degree and you aren't in a trade you are probably not making as much as you could be.

>tradesmen and trades school?
A great option for people who are too poor, stupid, or fucked up to get an actual career in society.

We would be BFFL easily.

It's a joke nigger, I used to work in the lift trade before I got my comfy creative media work.

Memes aside, learning a solid trade to a high standard is a one of the best life choices you can make. Lift engineering was my Plan B.

Honest work, good pay, steady income. Often you make more than an office job that requires a 4 year degree. Perfectly respectable in my book.

>A great option for people who are too poor, stupid, or fucked up to get an actual career in society
This is what idiots believe

how about a quick rundown on what you do

As if it isn't an actual career. Who the fuck do you think builds all those places you work at? I make six figures most years. Don't have student debts. They pay my family's medical care in full. Free life insurance for two years salary. Three weeks of paid vacation. I am always off work before 1pm. I wonder how well you are doing in the job market, being that you are retarded and all.

If you want to work really hard. Also fuck trades school. I'm a drywaller and every once in a while i'll see someone on a boarding crew or a taping crew get hired and fired in the same day.. It's unrealistic to work under building codes to the extent that schools would teach you

t. neet

Trades are one of the best things you can ever do in life. Even if after a year you decide you hate it, you gain a lot of handy skills to have.

>britbong complaining about Americans using fancy words

Truly a strange timeline we are in.

Unless your name is achmed, in which case, why aren't you driving a truck right now?

tradesmen, whilst noble, are on the verge of being wiped out by robots. at least liberal arts have a few years before the same happens to them.

jej

Best part is, chicago has shittons of kurwas

That is an excellent idea user. I met a Ferrari mechanic that makes $350/hour plus shop time.

Trade school was good here in Alberta until the recession now the graduates have arts degree tier job prospects

At least with a university degree you can move to another city, with a trade school diploma people think you're some community college DeVry retard

what do you think a door is

Mechanical engineer here. Basically trade and engineers with STEM degrees are the only ways you will make any money from a school program these days. Paid off my debt from college in 11 months. Life is comfy af

Why are you a drywaller? That is the shortest trade there is. I thought only beaners did drywall. Be an electrician. Or a welder. Or a sprinkler tech. They all make about six figures once the year is all said and done.

>Is it a good alternative to a Liberal Arts degree?
No. Since when is getting a job and being productive an alternative to being a useless shitstain faggot who's locked into slave-debt for the rest of your life?

That's great and all, I mean, my brother is a tradesman with his own outfit and has a family etc... I don't want to work 60 hours a week busting my ass off though, so I'm a web dev.

I realize if society collapses I'm fucked, but for now I'm comfy and make a killing doing barely anything. I did concrete and tile/wood flooring in the past so I respect tradesman a lot. They are typically cool dudes with a good sense of humor and a red pilled political outlook. I feel kinda bad since my dad and brother were tradesman.. I'm basically an artfag who opted out of it though.

Godspeed and good luck to all you tradies. We need more of you.

Look op. I started sub contractoon at 18yo. At 26 i started a small concrete construction company and started contracting commercial flat roofing job's.

I just bought my 2nd house. 400k. Put 250k down on fenton lake in michigan.

All it takes hard work ethic and decent math skills. I did get my construction eng certificates at kalamazoo valley community college. i would at least learn blue print reading, and an up to date code book.

i do diagnostic work on things other shops gave up on, and work on various odd and exotic motors

i bet nobody here can name this engine
i wouldn't doubt it

T. Someone that has never made six figures in a year as a tradesman.

You're fucking retarded if you think "robots" are about to be remodeling houses and fixing your toilet. For fuck sake you must be 14 years old to be this dense.

40 year old welder here
Ever notice there aren't any old welders?
Ever notice the oldest welders don't bend at the knee?
Welding is deeply poisonous in more than just the fumes.
A word to the wise, be a real dick about health & safety every day. Also, move around a bit & try to get a bit of fabrication/plating in.
Practically all platers can weld, so the dedicated weld lads are the first out of the door at the first sign of a squeeze in the order book

In 2009 My pay went from £40k to about £15k, courtesy of Poland doing it for free. Things are improving with brexit though.
Volatile industry m8

I just kinda fell into it. Started off working really hard and made a fortune, then I realized the only real perk of being a contractor is that you're not a wage slave, so I started working really hard and fast and got used to working like 3 hours a day for my living. The pay took a bit of a hike down in the past couple years where I live because of poos moving in and being really cheap, but it's still pretty decent, and the potential is there for you to make 6 figures if you're good and you wanna put in 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but that aint my cup of tea

what trade? what's the best trade? how much is trade school?

I am a fire alarm tech. No robot is drilling concrete and running pipe and building circuits and programming panels and getting on ladders and lifts. The amount of robots needed for different things would be ridiculous. I always hear this and know for certain whoever said it has never been to a job site.

Learn to do something people need and you will be safe and stable for life. Learn to complain that people should give you free shit and you will be unhappy and poor for life.

tell me about electricians

I feel like for every person that did great on a career path, another person has gotten fucked over by circumstance.

Also probably worth mentioning, but you pick up ceiling repair jobs once in a while, where they want you to retexture their kitchen ceiling or w/e. You spend an hour there for 2 days and they pay you like $1000. Ceiling repairs are a glorious ripoff

Fucking gorgeous, excluding the apex seals of course.

A fucking plumber is getting $250 PER HOUR in Minnesota. Let that sink in.

>sink in
>sink

Lel

I spent 2 years in trade school then 2 years looking for work with no luck now I'm going to university for a CS degree fuck this trades meme

I have like 5 years experience as a labourer, including on industrial sites like oil refineries, have a bunch of safety tickets, I thought that might count for something but nope you basically need connections to get in or hope the economy is really strong at the moment, right now I know journeymen out of work so what hope do I have?

...

The main benefit is being able to go and work for yourself. It makes it worth while.

Where you livin? With all that schooling, experience, and tickets it kinda sounds like you've shaped yourself to go work out in fort st john. All that stuff doesn't mean shit in the normal cities lol

LMAO!!! That was a good one!!

I'm a stagehand, and make 140-150k/year with no debt. I also work 75 hours a week and have a banged up body. The trades have their good points and bad points.

see you in 5 years boys

you're in a for a rude awakening

Absolutely. Skilled tradesmen are a necessity and in short supply. College has been memed into overimportance by (((them))) because it costs more.

Not only have they never been to a job site they've never worked a day in their lives. Maybe in 250 years we will have fully articulated androids doing some hole digging, maybe.

It comes down to the type of people you like working around.

I don't like bullshit PC stuff, and I don't watch sports - so working in the social sciences or trades, and possibly even medicine is not for me. So no SJW roasties who want to talk about the latest social outrage or emergig virtues or tradies with rocks in their head that want to talk about sports. Don't get me wrong, I can get along with both of these types of people, but from experience I can't work with them. I've always felt weird about workplaces get togethers and pep talks - this is why.

That leaves STE from stem. I'm a nerd, not a reddit comicon attending "nerd XD", and I like being around nerds and other socially awkward people. I went into computer science and never looked back (the first couple of years of engineering is usually filled with jocks anyway). All we talk about is videogames, memes, filthy jokes and the latest computer shit.

Some people say go where the money is, others say go where your people are.

For instance, If you love music become a musician or work at a rock venue or a music instrument store.

I've had 17 different jobs in my life and it's taken me awhile to figure this out.

my 0.02

Holy fuck this.

4cyl engine and carbon fibre body, probably not many cars like that
Probably some form of off road rally or road rally car

trades men are look down on for their entire lives unless they are good enough to actually own their business