China, U.S. agree aim of 'complete, irreversible' Korean denuclearisation

I think it's almost over lads

reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKKBN19F06F

Chinks will only do this dirty work for burgers if they guarantee to drop Taiwan and let them have it as their province. But Chinks will fulfill on their words and liberate Norks if burgers are honest to their words.

let's be real here
defending taiwan in case of all out war is completely impossible

we will talk to north korea and try to convince them to blah blah blah, more nuke tests; repeat.

>if they guarantee to drop Taiwan
in what way to what degree is taiwan being held??

can someone send me as a diplomat, this cant be real right, this is theatre? what is going on here... US does not have a good track record with aggressive moves towards other nations in manners militarily and beyond, being the bigger person and not the bigger person, where is the proof that NK will not be messed with by any outside nation, where is the proof, promise, US will not mess with NK? how have other nations warranted NKs trust? that they dont need nuke weapon? do they have nuclear power? are other nations ok with them having it? how can NK be trusted to if gotten nuke to not use it? they have lots of other weapons? how often and when last have they used it on other nations? but once they get the nuke it will be different? then they will start waging war? they are smart right, they would no what would happen, besides noone wanting a nuke to fly.

or we will soon certainly absolutely surely reach a world where no nation will have to worry about warful threats from others, well, still be prepared and all, but can there be absolute certainty, absolute promise and perfect assurance and insurance that nukes will never be used, that missles will never be used, by any person or nation? can there be perfect assured promise that russia and us and china and dprk do not attack each other? and once that is reached, dprk would maybe not need to make a nuke, ok, I trust you guys, we have our other missles and military stuff, you dont bother us, we dont bother you, all is well, they have seen history, they have seen war, they have seen budgets and arms trades and artilery usage, they know nukes are had, they know people are crazy, maybe they know it doesnt matter if they have nukes or not because if they got one actually got one to work, and tried to use it they would be instantly obliterated,

all the missle failures are onpurpose right, its fake right

ok and so also part of it, it is difficult for them to trade with the world, because their money is not backed by anything? and or its not worth them to try to sell their stuff on the big stage and trade their stuff for others money and then try to use that money to buy stuff they need, or that would be worth it but they are hit with sanctions?

they dont want investors being able to own parts of their country, but I am sure it would be nice for even the people, well, maybe... maybe even the government to carefully select, things to buy, certain foods, materials they need?

or they do trade a lot with china/

An offer on unconditional amnesty for NK officials, a guaranteed treaty to remove all US military assets from the peninsula, and a provisional confederation agreement in which the north retains full sovereignty for 20 years during the process of reunification. A truth and reconciliation commission can fully chronicle the northern archives so that no crimes will go unrecorded, but all will be forgiven, no blood for blood, and the Korean people can be one again.

This is how you get Kim in a noose. Demilitarize the entire peninsula and pass a three way treaty banning US and Chinese forces from crossing in ever again. I would also officially reinstate the Emperor to promote national unity--the Juche followers may respond will to it.

COME AND TAKE IT

According to a 2012 report by South Korea-based North Korea Resource Institute (NKRI), North Korea has substantial reserves of iron ore, coal, limestone, and magnesite.[78] In addition, North Korea is thought to have tremendous potential rare metal resources, which have been valued in excess of US$6 trillion"

I guess a hard thing for them being isolationist and what is always said with the food issues, small percentage of arable land, goes to show in that scenario, the difficulty of an ever growing population, which what else is there to do but be fruitful and multiply (besides 1 child rule),

and oil seeming to be one of the main elements of lifeblood of developing/developed nations, but there are obviously many needs, requirements, continous expansion, consumption, construction,

do you know the percentag of NKoreans that if they knew everything about the world, if they knew everything about south korea and their opportunities in it, and with the ways of life and that world, they would choose it over NK? And what percentage of the poor impoverished slaves you may claim NK has would want to leaven NK and go to SK, and what would their job prospects be like there, they would be invited into the society and gurentee better lives?

They are also smart enough to know if 1000000 pour in at the same time, a populist remove nork rapefugee candidate would appear

That's why the DMZ would me maintained initially. They would likely allow small numbers to come and see the south in order to go back and tell everyone the truth. Then would come a decades long education program to teach everyone in the country about the world. It's all feasible, but it has to be done slowly.

What worries me is multinationals and globalists trying weasel in and fuck everything up. Hopefully China's watchful eye will keep that from happening. The Korean people don't deserve any more suffering. They were a non-combatant nation in WWII, and got fucked more than anyone else. Damn anyone country to hell that tries to subvert reunification, and turn Korea into a beachhead for western globalism in East Asia.

It's backup china

of course peasents might want to wish, if they thought they would have better lives, but would better lives be promised to how many of them, in sk?

What percentage of the population would you say is living unjust lives? what levels of poverty, proof of hard slave labor camps etc.? how much worse than the average sweatshop etc?

The only way NK is dropping its nuclear ambitions is if they're absolutely forced to.

Without ability to wipe out a couple million innocent civillians at the push of a button, NK have nothing to stave off the threat of invasion.

>will only do this dirty work for burgers if they guarantee to drop Taiwan and let them have it as their province. =


is Taiwan not chinas province?

so any intelligence knowing this in good conscience, which all with the power to act should know, can not in good conscience ask, demand, threaten them to stop? as there is much evidence of such a pattern occurring in the past, for explicitly stated reasons,

Oh FUCK yes. Trade Taiwan for the chance to bomb Korea. Fuck Taiwan, as long as we get to shut man babies nukes down.

obviously, conscience is no factor on large scale actions on the world stage, at times, but should it be, should the most powerful entities have to follow the laws, should nations be able to lie to natons and mess them over, should the most powerful nations be able to invade a smaller nation, or severely attempt to and then trick them? its happened before, is it just, whats the deal, so much of the world is so messed up and crazy and chaotic that hehe anything goes, there is so much historybooked history written everyday that is glossed over, so much happens and then is forgotten, as time always marches on, it all comes down to the belief of being able to get away with it, andor the belief of the lack of wrong doing to begin with, which cannot actually be the case in some of these cases,

About 1 million people died of starvation in the 90's when Kim Sr. decided to deny shipments of food aid. Then he told his people that it was the US that was keeping the food out. It's not a meme. Life in the North is horrible, but not because there is anything wrong with the land itself. If NKoreans had basic food and medicine, they would be fine. Also, I suspect the South will pump money into Pyongyang in hopes that NKoreans start building their own economy. Remember, these are the exact same gene pool as SKorea--they're perfectly capable or building the country as long as they have some support from the South, and the west keeps its Jew hands out of the picture.

The Chinks are going to back the Norks in a surprise land offensive against Worst Korea.

To be clear, everyone is suffering MATERIALLY besides the high rankers will high status with the party, and who are allowed to live in Pyongyang. Also, the party elite are not just a few dozen people. There are hundreds of thousands of ranking bureaucrats and their families who are part of the inner party. That's pretty much the entire population of Pyongyang. Everyone else is at a different tier. If you're a peasant, unless you join the military, your low on the list for food and other resources.

the 90s were a while ago (and that was sr), and many nations have had major tragedies throughout history such as that, any statistics more lately?

south would pump money in meaning?? nk would begin to be in debt to them? or sk would be buying goods and services? you basically dont like how it seems like individuals dont really have full autonomy, to do what?

well for starters leave the country, open their own buisness and sell abroad?/ebay/ those are the main things you wish they had? How many people in their lifetime in any nation (what percentage of people) leave their country?

>To be clear, everyone is suffering MATERIALLY besides the high rankers will high status with the party, and who are allowed to live in Pyongyang. Also, the party elite are not just a few dozen people. There are hundreds of thousands of ranking bureaucrats and their families who are part of the inner party. That's pretty much the entire population of Pyongyang. Everyone else is at a different tier. If you're a peasant, unless you join the military, your low on the list for food and other resources.

so relatively generally similar to most nations with class systems, most nations ?

theres talk of china having a lot of peasents too, india too, maybe russia too, some people in america complain about their material positions, big armies too

>deep concerns

Do something, or shut up.

>them

The idea is Korea is one nation. The South AND the North both believe this. Koreans are one people. The goal isn't to in-debt half of the nation to itself. That's what Jews want. NK can simply be made another Asian Tiger like SK was. It's literally the SAME exact people.

No. Stop being obtuse. The NK population has ZERO personal liberty. They can't leave their village without say so from Pyongyang. If no food shipment arrives from the central authority, then they starve. If they try save a few seeds to plant a subsistence garden to help their family survive, they're arrested and gulaged, along with their extended relatives--where everyone starves. There are no authorities to call for help, because petitions of any kind are the equivalent of complaints and questioning of the regime.

The North is not some heroic bulwark against western imperialism--though you could argue that's at least been ONE positive consequence of the regime, but it has been at the expense of 20 million innocent civilians. The choice isn't between Kim and western globalists. The fight is for a unified, sovereign, Korean nation that decides its own destiny. It is only divided now because it was split as a war prize between the US and the USSR BEFORE the Korean war was ever fought. They treated Korea like a combatant nation simply because it was an imperial holding of Japan. Meanwhile, Japan got to stay unified, and was boosted into the #2 economy in the world. Koreans, North and South, are rightfully pissed. Both sides want a unified country, but obviously the governmental visions are different. The key in the North is getting the military and the bureaucrats on board, and easing their fear about reprisals in the future.