Sup Forums, I like aspects of fascism. the discipline, the return of order, the unity, etc. however...

Sup Forums, I like aspects of fascism. the discipline, the return of order, the unity, etc. however, central planning is disastrous for most economies. i now petition for hiroshimoot to add a national capitalist flag; the nation together as one entity, with people encouraged to start businesses and compete as well as cooperate with each other. capitalism can provide for some societal issues, but the state can provide for others. unrestrained capitalism is good only for shekelsteins. big businesses and corporations are too powerful and should be kept on a leash. government should run its own corporations to compete with private enterprise as well.

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is natcap race realist?

Are you for real? Of course it is, nigga!

Obviously, what do you think we are? Jews? Free-Market Fascism is the TRUE redpill t b h, but I still respect other forms of fascism. The right must be unified in these trying times.

>nigga
Really?

yep. the true redpill is acknowledging that all races are useful at something and despite their differences can work together and as such can advance the wealth of a nation; you must look at the strengths of a race after picking apart its weaknesses. only after realizing this can the system work.

if this gets any traction would you rock a NatCap flag? i sure as hell would

I think the best system would be government sponsored nationalised universities/labs that research and develop products, then patent in the national interest and allow the private sector to bring these new technologies to the market.

No real innovation will occur when the only motive is profit, you need state funded R and D.

I'd rock the NatCap flag all fucking day. It sure as hell beats out the faggy ass AnCap flag.

precisely, businesses should operate under the motive that "hey, my product is improving my country and my people" before "my product is making my wallets fatter". natsoc has good principles but it is the centrally planned economy that I cannot reconcile; it is too rigid and always decays after a while. your system is exactly how I would describe it though, I'm making a national capitalist infographic and i'm gonna use this post as one of the ideological examples

>the nation together as one entity, with people encouraged to start businesses and compete as well as cooperate with each other.

That IS fascism.

I vote that we table this debate until AFTER Day of the rope.
>Instead of Democrat/Republican we can have Nat Cap Party & Nat Soc Party

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it is very similar, but i cannot get along with a centrally planned economy. the markets should have the government as a guiding hand, not an iron fist. trading between nations should also be a thing albeit with controls and restrictions, most fascist ideologies don't agree with that.

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but OP's flag is kinda cool tho

a centered version for you

I believe in anarcho-capitalism and the nation-state
Gas the globalists voluntary monarch now

Capitalism is the cause of everything currently wrong with the world.
What makes you think you're any better than soulless communists?
You destroy the earth, promote this cancerous modern way of living, destroy tradition because its "economically inefficient", Jews are at the forefront of everything.
Fuck your kike ideology.
I want National Socialism. Tribalism. Traditionalism. Not money.

OP is JIDF.

>destroy the earth
looks in-tact to me. what are you talking about?
>promote this cancerous modern way of living
go live in the woods? what's stopping you?
>destroy tradition
traditions have been evolving, beginning and ending since the dawn of man for a variety of reasons. it's as though you've read no history.
>jews are at the forefront of everything
and they are doing it right. I wish I was in their position and I strive to be.

>central planning is disastrous for most economies
Strong economies are overrated. Read Industrial Society And Its Future. High levels of prosperity lead to people becoming depressed from lacking any real foals in life, and are forced to turn to surrogate activities.

>thinking i'm for jewishness and big corporations

eat shit petrol sniffer, it has been proven that free enterprise is the greatest way to create wealth. i am simply a believer that your nation should be placed above your wealth, and that your wealth should go to the welfare of the nation if need be. central planning of the economy never works, it brings about more suffering than it does joy. tradition makes capitalism more efficient; you work easier when you're used to your surroundings.

tl;dr you are incorrect about my intentions nigger

Everytime I come across an economically illiterate ancap faggot, I always ask the same question and ALWAYS get tangents or I get completely ignored:

What would stop rich, coin shaving Kikes from building nuclear silos in their back yard, nuking sensitive locations and dominating the planet?

You are half way there, op. Central planning kills economies, just like fascism kills societies. get well soon

ancaps are kike puppet faggots. you know what would stop these hypothetical nuclear shlomos? the state. as it would stop most immoral capitalist activity.

National capitalism is fucking gay. Social republican Fascism is the way to go.

t. neoliberal

i fucking hate neoliberals. they do not see the nation, they see labor pools. they see profit. i despise people like you.

>central planning kills economies
>lets go NatCap

The doctrine of fascism is shit, in NatSoc Germany they understood that central planning was only necessary to keep things from going under completely. They were heading towards more privatization before the war anyways.

Filthy fucking kikes, you'll be next after the Marxists.
Your corporate banker American disease will be cleansed from this earth and Europe will be saved.

Exactly. I'm all for liberty, but there is a fine line between liberty and deliberate conspiracy. AssCaps condone degeneracy through silence on matters regarding resulting degeneracy in a lawless society.

>the true redpill is acknowledging that all races are useful at something and despite their differences can work together and as such can advance the wealth of a nation; you must look at the strengths of a race after picking apart its weaknesses. only after realizing this can the system work.

Legit, finally someone with reason here

>all races are useful at something and despite their differences can work together and as such can advance the wealth of a nation
so your a civic nationalist?

You're fucking retarded, tell me what strengths diversity brings then?

>all races are useful at something
Blacks are good at stealing & killing people I guess, doesn't mean we should let them stay in our country.

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I agree, but your NatCap flag is gay. I have a few better ones

nevermind I only have the one.

couldn't define it better. I wonder what will be the new distraction after "social" media.

not necessarily. i am meritocratic and if someone is good at something i will respect that. it is a crying shame that niggers in this country went completely off the deep end in the 70s; martin luther king and malcolm x dying were the biggest mistakes anyone could have made.

i wish it wasn't like this. to have national unity is absolutely paramount. as of right now race is an issue that must be approached with impunity.

virtual/augmented reality

What you're advocating for is just civic nationalism you stupid neger. Something between Franco and Pinochet, basically authoritarian conservatism.

I used to think like this but realized that with the advent of technology, there's no way to escape degeneracy and the corrosion of traditional values. Capitalism is a great way to maintain hierarchies

thanks emu man, saved

if someone cleaned that up and did it a bit more formally it would look awesome, got a kek out of me though

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Fascism does not implies central planning.
Just slight control to keep capitalism in line with state interests

This literally can't work though. More often than not, Capitalism goes against national interests.

For example, how would you regulate the media? If you want to have Nationalistic system, you'd have to impose restrictions ( censorship ). But you definitely won't have freedom of the press, and that industry will end up being completely controlled by the government.

When you put NatCap into practice, you'll either end up with what we've got now but with a bit more racist/xenophobic populace, and you'll still have international corporation calling the shots, or you'll restrict enterprises to the point where you have good ol' fascism.

Please go more in depth about how do you see this working out.

I like it.

That weird-ass dollar sign faggotry is fucking shite.

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Rather than government controlled businesses.

Why don't we have Local Enterprise Funds (which would focus as local investment banks (sell globally, reinvest profits locally)?

They could be funded by taxes. But instead of your tax money going into the government ether a piece would buy you shares in your Local Enterprise Fund.

So now people are invested.

I would focus the LEF's around 6 keys areas. Resource security. Innovation is the key (Read Zero to One by Peter Thiel if you haven't already, it's short).

- Food
- Water
- Energy
- Healthcare
- Education
- Housing

Imagine your LEF starts off owning 49% of every business it funds. The entrepreneur (s) get 51%. If the business succeeds and becomes large and profitable the LEF agrees to give 29% of their stake over time to the most valuable/mission orientated employees.

Imagine your LEF after a decade or so has managed to knock out a couple of multi billion businesses and is getting a dividend of 20% of them. So it could become self-suffiencient over time and you reduce to need to spend taxes.

It's meritocratic. Wealth inequality would be reduced. Innovation would catalysed. Local leadership means local accountability.

Let's not grow the government. Let's just change the newest sector of the private sector to actually work in our interest.

This is my plan anyway. Not all LEF's have to be state funded. Private ones could probably push things further. Local Enterprise Fund could probably considered a synonym for 'How to Build a Sustainable Local Oligarchy'.

you want the press under control in a NatCap system and still have a press? make it very clear that certain places are rags and have the government dismantle them if libel is being published. if say CNN in a NatCap america published an unverified story about Trump pissing on hookers and his reputation is hurt by it due to people believing it, the government has the authority to confiscate assets and shut it down. news should remain that, news. entertainment is another thing entirely and should be labeled as such. opinion pieces shouldn't even be allowed on major media, most people take subjectivity as objectivity. the government should have its own news wing that provides absolutely objective facts (think a mixture of NPR with no bias in terms of coverage and CSPAN in terms of material). this ties into my idea of government enterprise competing with private enterprise.

it usually isn't implied, but most fascists are like this. see mosley for example.

desu fleshing this out would be a good idea, i certainly could see something like this having a place in NatCap. thanks for your input limey

Some kind of combo with these.

>No Bias
>Just news
There is literally no such thing. Sorry OP, you're talking nonsense. Just go off and be Libertarian or go full NatSoc/Fascist.

This is interesting, but sounds more Libertarian than anything.
>They could be funded by taxes
Why?

i'm sorry you don't see it the same as myself, what do you identify as politically if I can ask?

Fascist. I do like a lot of what Libertarians are saying and this thread sounds like you, like myself in a way, are trying to synthesize the two.

i am doing exactly that. it will take time to flesh this out but i think i can get people on my side. i want to write a mini goddamn manifesto with all my ideas, see them on paper. make an infographic to post on Sup Forums. libertarianism does not work anymore, we lost that opportunity in 1914. after that it all went to hell. we lost true fascism in 1945. a blend, a symbioticism of sorts is what i see to be the solution.

>i now petition for hiroshimoot to add a national capitalist flag

You do not want that. It's basically what we're doing now. Big, big mistake.

Why?

Good point. I'm scrapping that part.

Personally my plan was to do it in the private sector, validate the model and then use the power of gibs to get it implemented at a nation wide scale.

I will flesh this out at a bit more.

Agreed. Some degree of government is a necessity for a society to function, though the government must be bound by controls.
"If laws are required by the fact that men are not angels, controls on the government are required by the fact that angels do not govern men."

it's very good my man, i'm gonna start one of these threads in the next few days with more fleshed out ideas. post it in the replies, this is very interesting.

I think that Libertarianism can only work in the US, and I don't think Fascism is what Europe needs. I am putting this very crudely, because even in the Balkans we have very different peoples with very different cultures and heritage.

If you're trying to come up with a universal system, you will ultimately fail. That's what (((they))) tried with communism and now with regressive liberalism/neoliberalism.

Think about your own country and what would work for it. I think that a fascist structure would work well for mine, that's why I identify as such.

NatCap sounds amazing but you will always end up with major contradictions (see NatBol).

>I don't think Fascism is what Europe needs.
I do think Fascism is what Europe needs*

i don't believe the system is universal. those who would line their coffers at the expense of the people are halted. you can make money and become rich, i am not opposed. i am opposed to getting rich immorally instead of by hard work and dedication. hell i see natcap as more american than this current neoliberal bullshit we live under. thanks for the dialogue, this was quite the interesting thread.

>all races are useful at something and despite their differences can work together
Good, good. I will exploit those divisions and inflame racial tensions and rally the underclasses and I will turn your order inside out and upside down. Don't blame me - you left the door open.

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Any figures or authors which could be described as natcap? I feel an ideology like this is probably pretty close to my own ideas.

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here is the audio book

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You have to realize that wealth is defined in a specific way and has nothing to do with human fulfilment. Central planning worked in every fascist regime. Also china.

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> unrestrained capitalism is good only for shekelsteins

unrestrained government is good only for shekelsteins

limit the power of government

Most fascist economic systems aren't "centrally planned" as in trying to determine the value of goods and services and trying to make x factory produce y number of z. A fascist economy is free in every way that isn't deemed detrimental to the state. In other words, they don't tell you what to do, just what not to do. That's true of any mixed economy in a liberal democracy, but a fascist economy would have more controls, particularly on loans, speculation, "toxic" industries like pornography and fast food, etc. . Basically, whatever a good parent wouldn't let their child do would be restricted in a fascist economy. I support that.

Also, a strong economy is an economy that exports a lot. This is because they produce more than they consume and are obsessed with consumption and production. This leads to raping the environment, guzzling the qualtiy resources and . More importantly than all that, it leads to wars over money.

Look at what America did to the Middle East over oil bullshit. America had the choice to stamp out urban sprawl and encourage mass transit. We have not created a country for our children but merely consume and fought like wild apes.