Animal abuse is for shitskins but with the current eating habits in the West with huge amounts of cheap meat for everyone every day animal abuse is inevitable.
>drastically increase animal welfare requirements for farms >perform many surprise visits to farms >put an extra tax on animal products It will be more expensive but if you can't afford meat that wasn't produced with decent conditions for every meal you'll just have to eat less meat and more plant protein. The average person now is no better than the people buying dogs from puppy mills.
Within 10 years we will be able to grow meat without killing animals. I took a bite of an engineered hamburger once, it was delicous, perfect
Robert Wood
I would rather animals suffer than people go hungry. What ever the most efficient way to feed people is, I choose that.
Nothing personal but I have actually gone without and value my life over a million suffering cows. I don't believe they have soles or experience pain or suffering the same way we do. That being said, I wouldn't ever go out of my way to be cruel, I will just go extremely out of my way to feed my family.
Brayden Anderson
Yeah, taxes on meat should be raised, now it is fucking obvious. We need green fields, not greenhouse gas making slaughterhouses. atleast not for poor animals hehe.
Luis Martin
>soles well buddy i have some news for you, you sick bastard....
Evan Gray
>I don't believe they have soles or experience pain or suffering the same way we do However, they are mammals and have mammalian nervous systems. That's why we try to kill humanely.
eating animals is un-Aryan under the circumstances we have nowadays
Carson Carter
animal products are for goyim -err i mean normal people! but whatever you do goy, ignore porphyry, ovid, plato, seneca, aristotle.. DO NOT read about natural law, only care about your life! your pleasure! surely adolf hitler wasn't against animal products, he was an evil monster!
oy vey, whatever you do, DO NOTTTTT think about the suffering of other beings with blood and neurological systems.
Carson Russell
No argument there, as quickly and humanely as possible. They use pneumatic bolt guns at base of the brain stem which is almost instant.
I also would prefer to eat healthy animals which means blood movement(exercise) and proper nutrition. My only real point is that as the population grows, the food supply is going to have to increase drastically with it, and I am a humanist, I don't like the idea of warm and fluffy ideals getting in the way of providing for human comforts. As the top of the food chain, they are here for our consumption.
Zachary Evans
But the animal abuse isn't necessary to feed people, they can just replace most of meat with plant protein. It would even be easier to feed people if more of the crops were eaten by people instead of inefficiently turned into meat.
Jason Green
>I took a bite of an engineered hamburger once Aren't those expensive as fuck? Last time I heard about them they were, anyways. Was quite a while ago.
Carter Harris
We need animals for B12. We are supposed to eat them, although probably not in the ratios we do. I eat a lot of beans, lentils, I don't eat soy, I think it is completely unhealthy to go full vegetarian.
Ethan Ross
what a terribly simplistic graph
Connor King
If we took all the niggers, kebabs and chinks out of the equation this wouldn't be an issue
Robert Hernandez
>ha ha humans are not supposed to eat meat because unlike other predators, they've evolved to use tools and cook their food! Don't tell me people are genuinely this retarded.
Dylan Rogers
Agreed, it also ignores the fact that our possible thumbs allows for us to cut our food externally allowing for our teeth to be used primarily for mastication eliminating the need for sharp incisors.
Josiah Myers
>The average person now is no better than the people buying dogs from puppy mills. Exactly. Don't expect Sup Forums to wrap its head around this one though. For Sup Forums everything has to boil down to race somehow. So chinks are subhumans because they eat dogs. And arabs are subhumans for being afraid of pork because pork is white man's meat lol.
Christopher James
*opposable thumbs
Landon Harris
Yeah I know I've been saying that here. When I say that animal abuse isn't necessary to feed people I mean that people don't need so much, so cheap meat. My suggestions in the op still allow people to eat meat, it will just cause people to eat less of it.
Jonathan Green
people post videos of animal torture mainly from slav countries and japan, though it happens in the west too doing that to an animal just sickens me, theres a man beheading and torturing cats where I live right now
Blake Lewis
luckily, it is very healthy. eating something not so good for b12 is not the best option. usually b12 is added to animal food anyway. why not eat it directly. the real problem is other vitamins or fiber - 98% don't get enough. THAT'S a health problem. but the media tell people to worry about easy to get protein or b12 - sick.
Owen Reyes
>chimpanzees >frugivores
Chimps and Bonobos are the only animals that organize hunting parties to kill lesser monkeys for their meat.
They do this WHENEVER POSSIBLE. They fucking love meat.
They offer meat to females as part of courtship.
Jayden Evans
Sure there is a huge difference between being efficient and being careless. My dad was a hunter and would take me out with him when I was young and I learned to have a respect for the food I eat, basically recognize that other creatures need to die in order for me to live. I just have a clear idea of what I think eating a well balanced meal is, and it is something I am not willing to change. I will try alternatives and am pretty adventurous when it comes to food but again, it really comes down to how much sacrifice we are talking about.
Historically, human brain development is attributed to eating cooked food, including meat, you dumb barbarian. You don't need carnivore fangs to eat cooked meat. But you personally are free to switch to fucking veggies and die of malnutrition.
Brody Rogers
That is incorrect. Animals are the only viable sources of B12. It is present in small quantities in green algae but you would need to consume pounds and pounds of it to hit the recommended daily dosage. If you think you are saving animals by using a vitamin supplement, you are not because they took that from an animal. We really are suppose to eat animals.
Grayson Gonzalez
Guys stop replying to le b12 leaf, he shill every meat/vegan threads with nonsense.
every bite of meat you eat increases your sentence in hell
develop a fucking conscience, morans
Elijah Fisher
B12 can be made in a lab, same with bcaas. Completely synthetic and cheap
Nolan Howard
it's produced by bacteria. then it's given to humans and animals.
Nicholas Turner
Jesus ate fish..
Nathan Barnes
> put an extra tax on animal products Here we go. Even if commie vegans try hard to sound reasonable, they cannot hide their deranged agenda. Make food more expensive so that people eat less. Yes, sure, that's the way to go.
Though, there are indeed businesses that profit from higher food prices. Like, fishing industry that hates fish farms and genetically engineered fish to the guts.
Gavin Brown
I 100% agree with you OP. Makes me happy to know there are people like you in this world. Thank you.
Xavier Long
Can someone tell me what the proposed solution is for caring for the hundreds of millions of domesticated animals that we would suddenly not be slaughtering? There isn't enough pastureland for them, and without large populations of their natural predators their numbers would explode even more, assuming we still cared for them as we did when we consumed them. But then the question becomes, why would anyone do so when they would no longer profit off their meat? That would require a massive use of resources just to keep cows and pigs alive that no one has any use for.
Ian Walker
What happened to that poor cow? :(
Daniel Rivera
>relying on corporations and the government to meet your basic dietary needs
Vegans are the best good goys
Brandon Davis
You are a retard, this is my first time posting about this, those posts don't take the same position as me and are months old, and B12 should come up in every vegetarian conversation because it needs to be supplemented or a vegan will become b12 deficient. Now kindly douse yourself in honey and chain yourself to a tree in a bear infested woods.
Tyler Torres
9And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Eat meat. Tastes great, gives you nutrition that is difficult to obtain otherwise, and god ordained it.
Jose Rodriguez
OK, I wasn't aware they could produce it artificially now, but it needs to be made artificially, there is no way you would find that in nature. I'm sure you would agree that we are supposed to eat some meat right ?
Andrew Wilson
in the real world we have meat socialism and everyone is forced to pay subsidies for the meat industry
David Parker
A jew paid a nigger to hit it with a baseball bat
Xavier Parker
A gradual transition? Stop the breeding of cattle and eat the remaining ones.
Jackson Phillips
List missed most important part
Human - can consume and digest delicious meat
Jeremiah Gray
vitamin lozenges will totally make up for the trillions the pharma and meat industry will lose when the meat industry dies
Jordan Gonzalez
How was the fat content? I've heard marbling (incorporating adipocytes into the muscle fiber) has been the most difficult aspect.
I strongly agree, growing meat in a bioreactor like cheese, tofu, or beer is the future.
Adam Mitchell
You didn't even read the thread, retard. Did you think I said we should make meat illegal and everyone should immediately become vegetarian? This will just make the production change in a way that makes the abuse stop. The production will just decrease slowly and in that time they can just breed less.
Noah Nelson
>when the meat industry dies Sweetie, that's never going to happen. Vegans and Peta and never going to "win the war" against the meat industry. In all likelihood it will expand directly as our population, minus India.
Lincoln King
I'm not saying that no one should eat meat, just that the animal abuse that is an inevitable consequence of too much, too cheap meat should stop.
David Thomas
Tell me one other way to do it.
Noah Roberts
This is why fascism is retarded. Every retarded two bit moralizer is going to try to push their personal opinions on the population with the full force of a fascist government behind them. It's as bad as democracy.
Jose Bailey
For all the beef we eat, you don't see that many cows. They have probably been feeding us synthetic beef for decades.
David Rodriguez
Fuck your feelings. t. Farmer
Landon Powell
Animal abuse when it comes to cows isn't really a big thing. There are plenty of agricultural colleges that constantly study this shit, remember that autist temple grandin? Happy cows taste better, so it's in a companies own best interest to make the cows happy if they want to sell high quality meat.
>put an extra tax on animal products t. liberal hippy faggot.
William Campbell
maybe you cunts with mad cow disease
Andrew Cox
Grass, water, properly wormed, fly control, and a scoop of grain a day 3 months out from slaughter is a happy cow. This is not complicated.
Parker Wright
You get your beef from the US. As does largely everyone else for the most part. We are god damned good at it too.
David King
It would be cheaper for your dumb greedy ass to eat vegan, but noo you have to have your daily dose of meat glue and cow labias sold as steaks in the 1$ store
Aiden Cruz
no they don't you dumb cunt
Charles Cook
I hardly condamn violence aganist people
But man often feel so shit because I buy things prolly were not so well produced thus accepting hurt animals. But I can't off that beef'n bacon
I'm a piece of shit because of that and I'm sorry but I can't go vegan just like that. That's the only thing I regret in life and wont change probably. I'd accept rules by state forbidding meat though.
Parker Hughes
this chart indicates you are a faggot.
Henry Carter
Do you mean that the state shouldn't take any measures against animal abuse? Should it all be fully legal then? That's just wrong.
Carter Myers
i only feel bad that we treat niggers and shitskins better by not killing them. Should just mulch them and use them to catch fish or feed pigs
Tyler Reyes
>Chimps and Bonobos are the only animals that organize hunting parties to kill lesser monkeys for their meat.
Wrong, Brazilians do that too.
Joseph Martin
It is more complicated in large scale operations.
Michael Harris
I'm not telling you to go vegan, just suggesting things that would change the industry so you can eat the tasty stuff without contributing to the abuse. I eat meat too and have no intention of becoming vegan.
Justin Bennett
Who told you Chimpanzees aren't Omnivores? Most herbivores like cows do not see the full color-scale. The jaw stuff is completely incoherent. What exactly is the difference between an embedded lower jaw and and a sitting upper jaw? Also carnivores absolutely need fiber, even dogs eat grass sometimes for their regularity. It's completely false that humans can't metabolize cholesterol from meat. I'm pretty sure the tongue, teeth, and chewing differences are due to a lack of opposable thumbs. I would blame the urine differences on the need for marking territory and water scarcity before diet.
Parker Sanders
>Should mulch them
lmao Mulch is in germany stinky brownish covermaterial a bit like a fertilizer
Jonathan Peterson
If you eat fresh unwashed kale from your garden there should be enough aphids and aphid feces to supplement b12. wish I was kidding.
>in b4 insects not vegan. what are you gonna do fucking shake every leaf?
Xavier Perry
Slant-eyed subhuman.
Jack Jenkins
>rather animals suffer than people go hungry
Most agreeable thing Ive ever seen a leaf say.
Ethan Phillips
could use them to grow some nice vegetables
James Russell
It's also an expensive cow and very much meat isn't premium meat. I know there's a lot of meat being produced with decent conditions but people aren't eating high quality steaks for lunch and dinner every day. The cheap stuff at the store or fast food is pretty huge and there they can't have high production costs and all have the low price for the consumer.
Michael Parker
Animal products are major causes of diseases in humans, incredible unjustifiable suffering for animals and insane profits for mega corporations that don't give a fuck about anything except their bank accounts. Humane meat doesn't exist. Dairy is rape. Organic meat is bullshit. Free range meat is bullshit. Quit being selfish weaklings, take back your health and go vegan.
John Foster
>It's also an expensive cow Steak is supposed to be expensive.
Dylan Jenkins
also I know what mulch is, it's left over matter used to (((enrich))) soil
Ryan Hill
When i was 15-19 i tried to only eat game meat. like wild boar deer and rabbit but its expensive and not always available. I'd support anything protecting animals but i fear that only FORCING me would help. E.g forbid meat thats cheap thus badly/harmfully produced
but anyway i know im a bigoted dude who will never get off torture-meat because he buys cheap meat when he can :(
Joseph Lewis
I'd rather just feed serious animal abusers to lions.
Matthew Smith
Listen, I'm not worried about cows, you fucking moron. There are enough real problems to deal with.
Ian Howard
by buying mass produced cheap meat we are no better than them.
who is worse? Dracula or the Gypsy dude who helps him run his shit for some coins?
Kevin Campbell
if you are eating game meat you should be hunting it you stupid cunt
Dylan Powell
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
careful with degeneracy
Luke Taylor
Dracula, obviously.
Evil men take advantage of weak men, but don't confuse weakness with evil. All men have weaknesses. Not all men are evil.
The point of the state is to be strong for those who are not strong.
Jayden Lee
Haven't you been reading my posts? My suggestions means that it will be illegal to make meat with too bad conditions. It will only be possible to buy meat that's made with decent conditions.
Wyatt Clark
>be german >be 23 poor law student >trying to get a rifle/gun/hunting license >pay 1000s of € for it >needing to be in a hunting club costing monthly fees in order to be allowed to keep rifle+hunting license
Dude this isnt the outback. We cant just run around and kill beasts like you do, Roadhog
Parker Smith
I feel like that gypsy though and it feels like an excuse. I want dracula dead too, but also because if he doesn't die i wont stop helping him
you catch my drive?
Nathan Rodriguez
I KNEW somebody was gonna respond with that miserable piece of idiocy. I should have done an inb4. What makes this garbage statement true, the fact that you heard another mouth-breather saying it?? The greatest nations and empires in the history of the earth were downright barbaric to animals (even including animal sacrifice).
You should hang your head in shame for even repeating that piece of tripe.
Evan Diaz
I'd vote for you then. The green party here advocates this but u need to buy their entire bullshitpacket if u want the animal abuse to be controlled more.
Jeremiah Scott
you don't need a gun to kill animals. fuck I used to go out to my mates farm as a teenager with a spot light and get a bunch of rabbit by spotting them and then breaking their necks
Jose Cook
To do what? Enforce veganism?
To the agriculture and food industry in general, so that local farmers and producers can compete with imported food. This in turn helps to keep food quality up, because the farmers are both subsidized and are required to meet the standards.
Liam Davis
Show me where this happens and give us details ffs. A lot of places do have high standards. Where is the content to your thread?
Jacob Thomas
>making sure your food is treated well I don't give a fuck what they do to cows and chickens they are food. Give me all the cheap meat all the time.
Tyler Cox
It happens Islamic countries
Nathan Martinez
>i should an inb4 whet? an hero u mean?
>the greatest nations and empires in the history of the earth were downright barbaric to animals
>the greatest nations, downright barbaric to animals
that's like, uh, ur opinion man. I think its detestable. Nothing is great with torturing stupid animals.
>You should hang your head in shame for even repeating that piece of tripe.
I should but because i cater to torturous food producing. It makes me the lowest in my opinion. Gotta live with being trash
Jonathan Ross
I had a discussion the other day with my family (we meet for a big meal every month) about meat being too cheap. Nobody understand what I meant and were moaning that 1kg of chicken had gone up 20p in the supermarket.
I don't mind meat eating but it's become far too industrialised and the demand is too high for welfare standards to be met. People wouldn't be happy if they saw the whole process of rearing and slaughtering of their cheap imported meats.
You don't need to eat meat with every meal like people do. Hell, people struggle to even think what to cook if they don't have meat available.
Justin Morris
>breaking their necks
dude what the fuck...If it came to this i wouldnt even eat meat. Which might be the solution? Meat only for those who kill it
Ayden Hughes
So, to summarize... you've created a personal and subjective definition of the word "greatness" by which the quote should be understood?
Got it. Your argument is just as stupid as I thougt.
John Johnson
It's because you're weak. So am I. We're all weak.
If you're always doing the right thing by your own philosophy that sounds conspicuously like your philosophy has been tailored to always excuse you. The hallmark of a smart man is one who can believe in a philosophy that he knows is right even though he does wrong by it. It means you are acknowledging your flaws. Only when you acknowledge your flaws can you circumvent them.
>but we should overcome them We don't overcome our flaws. Maybe some people do, but most people don't. What's the point of you, through great struggle, becoming a perfect person? Is your example going to inspire everyone to do the same?
No. Harness the force of the state to be strong for the weak. Work with flaws and find ways around them - don't reject them.
So your concern is that you eat meat, which puts money into the hands of animal abusers. You could, personally, become a vegetarian. Congratulations, you have accomplished nothing. Or, you could work to fix the regulatory system so that animals are not abused in the production of meat.
>why not both? Because the latter makes the former unnecessary. And also because the former is not just an inferior option - it is a pointless option. It is literally an empty gesture. Not doing it has the exact same moral value as doing it because it accomplishes literally nothing.
And here's a tippy top secret: You could always do neither. What's that? Be aware of a moral wrong and do nothing to fix it? Why yes, my fellow German. Because even the latter option I suggest will amount to nothing. You have no power as an individual and in a lifetime of campaigning you will likely accrue no more. Your place is this world is appointed, either by God or by chance, to be a mook. Accept your place, accept your flaw, accept your weakness, and be carried on the eddies of time.
So you fix this evil?
There's a million others that /you don't even know about/ happening right now.
It is what it is.
Easton Hernandez
Chicken that you eat is produced in the UK though.