You have 10 seconds to explain why universal healthcare is bad

You have 10 seconds to explain why universal healthcare is bad.
>muh niggers benefit from it
You would rather screw yourself over just to screw some nigger over?

you have to explain first why you think handouts should become "Rights"

>mfw conservadumbs are too stupid that is actually cheaper to provide poorfags with free preventative insurance and care than to provide no care and pay for emergency stays in the hospital

Why should free speech be a right?
Why should existing be a right?
Why should having a lawyer be a right?
Why should freedom be a right?
Why should private ownership be a right?

From what I understand, healthcare costs in the US are high because part of the bill goes to paying for the ER care of the uninsured.

Why don't hospitals just turn away those uninsured people?

Rights aren't the same as free shit, or do you think food should be handed out to people for free because "existing is a right"?

We are talking about healthcare.
Your health is priceless. To your loved ones, at least.

that's not an explanation. Those questions have very a very different set of answers than mine.
And I don't believe you can provide an answer

Citation missing.

Virtue signaling

What do handouts have to do with healthcare?

It is illegal if the hospital is subsidized with taxes, and almost all hospitals are.

>muh virtue signaling

universal healthcare is a handout.
Now compare that to the classic concept of rights. Rights protect you from the government, they limit what the government can, especially here in America.
No other "right" requires the government to give out services.

Because single payer health care is peasant tier and doesn't work.

I'm from Ireland, have lived in France and currently live in the UK. In all three countries the state run health service is a shambles and I've always needed private health insurance to ensure that should the worst happen and I get cancer or something, that I won't be waiting for for several months just to be seen to by a consultant let alone have treatment provided within the first year.

Rights are LIMITS on government granted to us BY GOD. The opposite makes no sense and can't be a right. God sure as hell can't give us free healthcare.

I guess you have to pay the police.

Because none of these infringe upon the rights of others.

I don't want to subsidize some faggot who is too lazy to work
I'm a average healthy male, I probably won't need heath insurance until I'm old and have cancer or something

>You have 10 seconds to explain why universal healthcare is bad.
Because I literally don't give a shit about probably 75% of this country

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When you say healthcare is a right, you are forcing someone to provide a service against their will.

the police are not a right guaranteed by a constitution

>To your loved ones, at least.
then let them pay for it

So if someone is dying from pneumonia, it's ok to steal from someone in order to treat them, but if someone is starving to death on the side of the road, then it's suddenly a problem?

>You have 10 seconds to explain why universal healthcare is bad.
It isn't. Every citizen should have free access to quality healthcare.

Who gets to have the right to be a citizen, however...

Maybe the lawyer won't want to publically defend you.
Or the policeman.
Or the fireman.

Is it your right to murder a doctor if he doesn't do a surgery for you? If not, then universal health care isn't a right

>Or the fireman.
plenty of this country has volunteer firefighters

Because I don't support slavery.

There is a huge difference between a right and a service and until you understand that, your argument has no ground and you will lose every single time.

>Is it your right to murder a doctor if he doesn't do a surgery for you?
Not in a civilized country. But it's his oat to treat you and if he leaves you for dead he might get prosecuted.

oath*

>But it's his oat to treat you and if he leaves you for dead he might get prosecuted
No he wont

If it's a right then you pay my medical bills.

Are those goalposts heavy?

why the fuck would anyone become a doctor then

The doctor has to get paid. If universal memecare were a right, why would anyone pay the doctors salary because its their right to get care? And why would anyone become a doctor since they would literally be slaves

You're acting as if you're as rich as Donald Trump. We are talking about the ordinary man.
If you need a super expensive treatment and you can't pay for it, what are you gonna do? Maybe the fact that you don't contribute for somebody else will cure you?

why did you stop responding to me?
will you admit defeat?

Your sophistry is not an argument.

I don't give a shit about your health. Take care of your own body.

There is no right to there are only rights from. If you make healthcare a "right" you need to infringe upon other peoples rights to provide you with care. The government does not pay for your healthcare bill because the government has no money. Other people do.
The economic problem with being entitled to healthcare comes because you don´t have to pay for it. When you aren´t paying for it why do you care how much it costs. The cost are covert by the insurance and they get their money back from the government who has no incentive to keep costs down.

all three of those have a combined cost of 1 penny compared to healthcare
also, there are ways to pay for all three of those services without taxes.
name a universal healthcare scheme that does not involve the state or taxes

Yes, he will.
Happy?

>If you need a super expensive treatment and you can't pay for it, what are you gonna do? Maybe the fact that you don't contribute for somebody else will cure you?
How are the Amish able to take care of their community without government healthcare?

It's not a right.
It's *literally* not a right.

What makes it a "right" and from where did you get this "right" to essentially steal the expertise and labor from people who were self motivated enough to put themselves through the hellish task of medical school. They essentially spent an extra 12 years in school and have to maintain their education level their entire lives and are also essentially never off duty from the time they swear their oath. They deserve to run their own business, keep records how they want to keep them and not have the government tell them who and who not to see. It's an absolute abomination of the American dream to treat them like hostages and turn the 7th largest economy into the DMV just so your poor ass can eek out a few more years. Fuck off.
Plan your life around getting good insurance if that's your prerogative. Your lack of planning/foresight/motivation is what is making healthcare inaccessible to you and that's YOUR problem not their problem. You have no right to cutting edge science that keeps you alive. Nobody does.

No, I want you to provide a counter argument to the ideas that challenge you, or to admit defeat.
I know you fucking slimy leftists do this on purpose, but I won't allow it.

Are the taxes your problem? If you already pay taxes, what do you pay them for? Don't you feel screwed over?

>You have 10 seconds to explain why universal healthcare is bad.
Because it infringes on my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It's my right to take care of my self in a healthy fashion, it's my liberty to be free from government mandates and it doesn't make me very happy to be forced to pay into a heathcare system burdened by tobacco users, alcoholics and land whales.

keeping fat people from dying is inhumane

>You have 10 seconds to explain why universal healthcare is bad.
doctors and nurses don't work for free

I have the right to have a gun, can I walk into a gun store and demand a free gun?

>what do you pay them for?
So the government can import useless 3rd worlders

Are you amish?

>a heathcare system burdened by tobacco users, alcoholics and land whales.

Illnesses related to these should be excluded.

just because you have a right to healthcare does not mean I have an obligation to supplement it for you, or that you have an obligation to get healthcare. Otherwise, we need to stop regulating arms and go for universal arms ownership, and the government needs to provide arms to all citizens who cannot afford them. After all, bearing arms is a human right, explained in the 2nd amendment, ordained by God.

>Because it infringes on my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
>"I need a surgery"
>"lol, fuck off John, you don't have the money"

Because government fucks up almost everything it touches.

>If you already pay taxes, what do you pay them for?
national defense, borders, roads, firefighters, cops
I specifically do not wish to contribute to anything outside of that and consider all social programs direct theft from my family to supplement other families. it's immoral and I hope you all fucking die from your shit-tier free "health care"

You end up paying less in a universal system because in an insurance based system each individual insurance company needs to hedge themselves against those conditions, raising insurance costs for every layer, but since each pool is split up between all the companies, it's more expensive overall.

you're retarded if you thought this was an argument.

You still haven't answered yet.

I'm genuinely curious to hear your opinion here.

Maybe those taxes can be redirected to a universal healthcare for you instead of Daddy Donald's plantation workers?

To be fair, you have the right to an attorney. Of you can not afford one, one will be appointed to you.

Don't lawyers provide a service? Sure, that free one probably just passed the BAR last week, but the service is still provided even of you can not otherwise afford it.

>roads, firefighters, cops
these are services taken care of locally, not federally protected rights.

its a right because it protects you from the tyrany of the state.

you didn't answer the question

No such think as a human right.

Water is a right, unless you are in a desert without water... that 'right' suddenly becomes abstract and that won't quench your thirst.

A right is only what your society can provide you though it's institutions and it economy.

This is just a typical BS thread to provoke Burgers.

The reason why developed countries national health services are so bad is because they end up overrun with gypsy muslim scum like yourself.

>To be fair, you have the right to an attorney. Of you can not afford one, one will be appointed to you.
the reason you have the right, the reason we supply the attorney, is to stabilize the social contract. the social contract is you giving up a tiny bit of your NATURAL RIGHTS to live in this society.

the commie losers and eastern ideologies have no way to even wrap their brains around this concept, probably from too much cultural enrichment constantly eroding all progress

Why not just give the back to me and let me pay for my own healthcare if I want it

Maybe those that are starving on the side of the road couldn't pay their student loan because Daddy Donald has to make more shekels?

Now, are you amish?

You have 10 seconds to explain why we should take a Bulgarian seriously.

It is a privilege, that you believe is a right, just like education. The second amendment offers though the ability to arm yourself, but doesn't demand others provide the means for you to get one.

why not make taxes 100 percent?

Because the system is not optimal. The benefit of socialized medicine is that premiums can be lowered through insurance companies hedging risk through the entire population. The down side to this is that insurance is pretty much a scam. Over half of the people will lose money, and under half will gain money. Generally significant health problems occur when you are older, therefore, it would be a riskier, but still a legitimate choice to invest the money in a safe indexing fund that returns 7% each year to pay for your medical expenses when you are older.
>But insurance in this system would still be expensive user.
Yes, but only if it remains illegal to turn away a patient from a hospital receiving tax dollars.
>But user, it will cost more because the insurance companies will not be able to hedge risk
That is true, but "union" like structures could be formed to help hedge the risk. It is also very possible to hedge the risk of a person over their life time; meaning young people buying insurance pay a low rate, old people who lack foresight pay significantly more.
>But user what happens if an insurance company goes bankrupt?
Have the government sell insurance to the health insurance companies in the event that they fail.

I don't understand the thought process of some of you retards.

FREE HEALTHCARE DOESN"T MEAN THE DOCTORS WON"T GET PAID YOU FUCKING REDNECK, IT MEANS THE GOVERNMENT WILL PAY ENTIRELY FROM ITS BUDGET.

Now unlike you, I'm not as ignorant as you, and know that in order to provide "free" healthcare in a country like the US will be more difficult compared to all the other places that have it. But that doesn't mean they won't get paid you fucking idiot.

And if you think they deserve the right to huge salaries and choosing their patients, fine, sure. But that's what the PRIVATE sector is for. The best of the best, if they feel they are worth it, are going to go to PRIVATE clinics and charge a shitton and treat whomever they want. For the rest, there will be the "free" PUBLIC sectors. Where they get paid enough but have to deal with everyone. And fuck your 12 year bullshit. You are just like those guys that say "OH MY GOOD POOR SOLDIERS IN IRAQ RISK THEIR LIVES YOU IGNORANT FUCK!!". Like someone fucking forced them to choose that career path. No, they did. And so did doctors. And if they do choose medicine they will either be the best to work for PRIVATE clinics or join the rest at PUBLIC ones. You fucking idiotic, tunnel vision, ignorant and uneducated piece of shit.

Bulgarbro pls, you see what gypsies are doing here. In 15 years we will be a minority.

The common failure with the argument that you have no right to healthcare is that we already have a system by which the hospital cannot refuse your care. The difference is that then you must pay, even if you can't afford it.

The current system has shown to be a failure because costs continue to inflate. That is because insurance regarding health is a captive environment where you must absolutely get insurance if you wish to stay afloat financially. There is not competition on the level of other industries. In many places, only a handful of insurance companies offer coverage. It is akin to how internet providers are often anticompetitive and charge ridiculously high prices for service.

Insurance inflates healthcare costs because hospitals know the insurance companies will negotiate the cost down. This is a problem for uninsured or bad plans. Before health insurance was a thing, it was cheap for people to pay doctors for home visits and things like that. Insurance ruined that and made bloated costs become the norm.

>Daddy Donald has to make more shekels
>Daddy Donald's plantation workers
You keep outing yourself

Human rights do not exist.

You have been utterly beat the fuck out in your own thread in less than two pages. You SUCK at this.

Healthcare is open to all. If it's a priority in your life, then get a job that pays well enough to have premium insurance. That's your "right". You can pursue that if it's something you want.
Keeping the dregs of society alive on my dime isn't something I'm going to facilitate. We already have too many dimwits and abominations running around as it is.
Who's stopping you from figuring out your own cure to your own problems? Read some books. Every iota of information a doctor has you also have on the internet. Set up a lab in your house and get to work you freeloading scum.

That doesn't answer the question. Regardless of the circumstances, would you steal someone's wallet to save that person? And what would you do for him next, would you steal to buy that person a house, heating/cooling, and drinkable water?

How can you justify stealing in order to keep someone alive in one scenario, but not another? This is why healthcare is no more a right than food, water, or housing.

Also, I'm not the same user as , learn how ID's work before you come here to shill.

>some romanian gypsy nigger thinks he knows how American healthcare works

LMAO

make me a bracelet pussy

If healthcare is a universal right then it is also a universal obligation. Are you prepared to do your part in providing it to others? This will take the form of taxes and fees and may also require you to volunteer your time for work appropriate to your skill level. If training is necessary it will be provided to you free of cost. And then you will provide it to others free of cost.

Would you rather wait 6 months for an MRI and pay through taxes or wait 2 weeks and pay $500 cash?

This argument is a failure. Right to an attorney is a a written right, but I don't have to train to become one and do it for free. Your argument is a total non sequitur.

Nice argument. Is this what you do in your free time while the lady is getting BLACKED? :^)

Because the quality is poor. I live in the UK and I have the NHS and it's dying on it's arse because there are too many people with their hands out and not enough to to give. The Capitalist system meanwhile can provide and product the best quality possible because it's a merit based. Do well, get paid well. Doctors in the NHS are worked to death and have no free time of their own.

You think that it can't work? Look at Laser eye sugary and how that used to cost like three grand an eye, now it's only three hundred an eye. You need competition to drive the best deals for the consumer. You stupid fucks.

>IT MEANS THE GOVERNMENT WILL PAY ENTIRELY FROM ITS BUDGET.


Gee that worked so well in Venezuela. OH, THAT'S RIGHT YOU GIMMIEDAT NIGGER, SOCIALISM RUINED THE COUNTRY!

RAPE YOURSELF WITH A KNIFE FOR TRYING TO DESTROY YOUR COUNTRY, CUNT!

"Daddy Donald" is a shortcut for the capitalist lords that you worship for some unknown reason even though they are probably laughing at you.

>capitalist lords
You just did it again

Oh, now you totally showed why universal healthcare is bad for people.

I dont worship them
I am just not obsessed with their shekels

In an insurance based system I have the option of not having insurance and risking having to pay out of pocket for healthcare services I may need. I'm a healthy individual that actively takes care of myself and will likely only ever need emergency healthcare needs. Or elderly care that will be covered by existing programs like Medicare/caid.

In a universal system, I'm forced to pay for healthcare services I may not need but other people do need.

One of these infringes on my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Guess which one.

tell me about bohemian grove

Insults are not so impressive when they're coming from a gimmiedat white slave living in a bundle of twigs.

No reply to ?
Are shills this easy to BTFO?

Do you suck cock for pleasure or just as a hobby?

What if the government takes money from something else, say welfare (though I'm sure the niggers need some extra cash cause BLACKED doesn't earn them enough) or NASA (cause it's doing so much shit lately) or the military (cause it really needs all those trillions ot the dime); AND YOU WILL STILL PAY THE SAME TAXES YOU FUCKING FAGGOT?

That is, if you work, cause you sound like a leech that lives of neetbux.

Well now that we've established that you're retarded, lets get into this. NOBODY will join the "public sector" if there is a choice.
2: since when does the government stop encroaching on a business that is taken over by the government?
It's not JUST about pay.
It's everything.
It's the whole apparatus.
Some of our best doctors are going into early retirement and selling their private clinic so they don't have the burden of a million dollar, broken, electronic records mandate in the growing onus of an increasingly meddling state.
You CLEARLY have no idea what you're talking about. You've CLEARLY never talked to anyone in the healthcare field and again it's really simple: Healthcare is not a right. End of discussion.

You get out there and become Dr. Doofus or whatever you think you should do, but fuck off with your mental-deficiency and leave the place that people come to for world-class care alone. You want shitty healthcare? You go to any country that has "Universal" healthcare while it's still around because unless something has changed in the last few days since I looked at the numbers, it won't be around in the UK or Canada in a few more decades.
Stop coming to America and making everything worse with these tired ideas of gibs. Most of us are here because you make your own way, and you pay your own way. It's *literally* the appeal of the U.S. for many. Again, and with gusto: Fuck off.