The real reason why China will rise far beyond?

It's well know that the Communists is an atheist institution that prohibits party members from practicing religion while in office.

Not many other government do the same. Just take a good look at America. We've never had an atheist president. Ever. While we like to claim the separation of church and state, it's really not true.

Why it matters? Well, as an atheist myself I see religion as a detriment to science and technology, to societal progress in general. A good historical example is how theology extended the Dark Ages. Conversely, the Age of Enlightenment spurred growth.

-------> So is it a mere coincidence that ever since the 1950s, when communism started taking over, that within just a few decades, China has escalated and developed exponentially?

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>as an atheist myself I see religion as a detriment to science and technology, to societal progress in general.

haha oh wow, get a load of this goy

In order for China to dominate, it has to reform itself from being a middle income economy and into a high-income economy. This will be extremely difficult, as Deng was a once-in-a-kind of leader who built China up from where it was. Now, Deng's revolutionary model is coming to an end, as new problems are beginning to face China that Deng's reforms cannot specifically solve. If China reforms itself into a new era by building upon something different then the Deng-era reforms, it'll rise above the West and become the center of the world. But that's only if reforms actually happen. Odds are, it won't.

They prohibit their officials from practicing religion and has strict laws on religion to diminish foreign influence.

You must not like atheists?

I recommend you to read about the Age of Enlightenment.

We became the worlds' superpower through innovation in technology and science, not through the bible.

>china has expanded since the 50s
no it didnt tf it was set back centuries until economic liberalization in the 70s

Exactly. This is what America needs. Islam is practically banned in China and heavily monitored. America can use fewer crazy religious cults.

Yes of course, but the point is how much religion or the lack thereof had to do with it?

>You must not like atheists?
no I fucking hate commie kikes like you that think getting rid of religion will stop people from worshiping something else, like the goddamn state. And unlike Christianity, you piss of the state and you get hell in the present and not in the afterlife. You can absolutely still be faithful while pioneering technology and science, the Bible's for morals not a science manual

>I recommend you to read about the Age of Enlightenment.
I recommend you to pull that fedora out of your ass

>We became the worlds' superpower through innovation in technology and science, not through the bible.
we used both you dunce

also, China is absolutely shit-tier example. They're growing more christian and capitalist by the day, it's no fucking coincidence that God provides for his people

I wait eagerly for the day China becomes a Christian nation.

>he still believes the "muh religun created the Dark Ages" mumbo jumbo
Cero introspection and actual research, as expected from an atheist.

We will be at war with within the next 25 years, just give it time.

>'''''''''''''''''Atheist'''''''''''''''''
You don't know China very well. Just because they're not in a church acting like a bunch of monkeys doesn't mean they aren't spiritual.

>afterlife
That's funny. People still believe in paradise.

>Bible's for morals not a science manual
You need a book to tell you not to rape your sister? You need a book to tell you not to kill and murder?

>They're growing more christian and capitalist by the day
Definitely more capitalist, not more Christian.

Well describe what the Age of Enlightenment did for Europe.

Religion did not create the Dark Ages. You misread my post. It extended it and made it even worse.

>Well, as an atheist myself I see religion as a detriment to science and technology, to societal progress in general.

>china is literally a throughput economy with no profit incentive will collapse in a decade
>"religion is dumb lul"
>doesn't realize the judeochristian values consensus is what created the enlightenment and got us to where we are
>I think this therefore I am right, why won't the entire country listen to me?

You are an idiot

have u seen the strongest coutnries in history? Britain ,France, Germany, Spain, and America were all deeply religious nations

>You can absolutely still be faithful while pioneering technology and science

When you still have people assuming the earth is only a few thousands years old, that's a problem.

A true scientist can never be simultaneously religious. The scientific method is fundamentally at odds with religion.

I'm arguing that religion is a roadblock to our true potential.

>with no profit incentive
Lol what?

>cites social custom made universal through adherence to book as justification for why the book is not needed
lol
In an age of birth-control, abortions on demand, soothing ointment, and psychiatric drugs, the Godless cannot provide a single justification as to why raping your sister is wrong that is not either an emotional argument or citing the book they claim not to need.
>inbreeding is not a valid argument as birth-control and abortion prevent the birth of an inbred child
>physical harm is not a valid argument as rape seldom causes harm that can't be resolved through the application of an ointment to ease soreness
>emotional harm is not a valid argument as we have psychiatric drugs to numb the pain
Just rape the bitch, heathen she'll get over the minor inconvenience and there's no God to prove me wrong when you fail to do so.

Lol get a load of this goy.
Theres a famoues quote that goes some thing along the lines of " with science theres no need for religion, but there comes a point where it all points to a supreme being"
Put that in your pipe

Religion isn't a roadblock, it is THE ROAD.

Think about where innovation has existed. Quick answer, in only one place. The west. The same west that is christian and jewish. Was there innovation and growth in other places? Of course! They just had to kill about 70-100 million people to get their "great leap forward"

>You need a book to tell you not to rape your sister? You need a book to tell you not to kill and murder?
no, but other people do like (You). In much more complex moral issues, the Bible becomes much more handy rather than "just use common sense bro and let relativist degeneracy run rampant"

>Definitely more capitalist, not more Christian.
>t. never did missions to China or looked at religion trends

>Religion did not create the Dark Ages.
>the Dark Ages
>assuming there were no progress whatsoever and that the CHURCH didn't preserve a lot of teaching and works via monks, making it more just a natural medieval period between the fall of Western Rome and Renaissance instead of literally nothing
next you're gonna tell me that mudslimes preserved knowledge, which were, uh, religious. kill yourself

>It extended it and made it even worse.
nice speculation fagtron, if not for Christianity you'd see more pagan bullshit instead.

>When you still have people assuming the earth is only a few thousands years old, that's a problem.
are they geologists where that makes an impact on their profession and work output? no? then they're free to believe whatever the fuck they want to. Yeah, they could be wrong, but little trivial details like that are simply irrelevant in their everyday life when they could be focused on their actual job, raising kids, doing business, and paying taxes

>A true scientist can never be simultaneously religious.
>I have never read any famous scientist's biography: the post
tons of them were religious kid, they just didn't let it influence their work because it had no need to

>The scientific method is fundamentally at odds with religion.
that's a method for scientific discovery, not morals. You still need morals, and you still need the Bible

its not so much that china will rise and topple america as it is america will fail to grow enough

i will put it this way. china can take out a loan from other countries. the united states and europe cannot. the imf is just the bank of london and has given out bullshit downgrades to credit ratings when no debt was incurred by non western nations and upgraded credit ratings when western nations acquired debt

at this point the west cant lie its way through this and the western banking sector is on the ropes. without the banking sector being strong enough cash flow is weak. not just loans but also the markets. thats why its been on rails aka rigged with QE that wasnt taken out phase after phase. when liberals talk about market volume they leave out the fact the fed put trillions of dollars into wallstreet and never took it out. this december they start bleeding it according to the fed

Some time in history sure, religion used to hold science development back. But nowadays religion has little effect on a country's economy.

You find developed nations that have big number of religious people and developed nations that have many atheists. It doesn't matter that much in modern days.

What really matters are the economic policies.

>the Godless cannot provide a single justification as to why raping your sister is wrong
KEK. I'm sorry but I don't even know how to respond to that.

Well, I've never come to a point where I need to justify the presence of a supreme being.

>They just had to kill about 70-100 million people to get their "great leap forward"
You don't recall the Great Crusade. Or the hundreds of wars fought over religion?

Chinese communism ended by 1976.
After that, it's capitalism by bureaucrat-dominated politics.
Bureaucratic government hates religion.

China is going to implode in the next 10 years.
Watch.
The CCCP imploded and so will the CCP.
All of their economic data is totally cooked. In reality they are facing problems (environmental, water, housing, economic) that they will fall from.

I am going to be laughing my ass off when it happens. You can laugh all you want right now, but I have insider information that allows me to know the certainty of this. It is why all the princelings are running to Seattle and other places in the US en masse.

Remember I said this when it happens. Communism, in all its vile forms, will always fail and destroy the host nation in the process.

Screencap this and wait.

>religion is a roadblock
The strongest countries in the world were all deeply religious. As atheism increases in the west we are faced with the evident decay of western society.

>In much more complex moral issue
Mind expanding on that point?


>never did missions to China
Oh wow we have a die hard missionary here. Just imagine if we had kikes running door to door spreading communism. They probably get shot.

>You still need morals, and you still need the Bible

You're telling me before the Bible, people had no morals? All atheists have no morals?

>implying the kikes will let the chinks become more powerful than them
Top lel.

>capitalist China fails
>somehow the fault of communism

>Some time in history sure, religion used to hold science development back. But nowadays religion has little effect on a country's economy.

This is probably the most reasonable conclusion. I agree.

>I don't even know how to respond to that.
because when you have no god, you literally can't. Once you throw God out the window, you can morally justify anything. You become lost in your own narcissistic interpretation of what's moral or not

>I've never come to a point where I need to justify the presence of a supreme being.
then don't. It's your loss. Militant atheism though, when you try to shove your bullshit the same way a militant bible-thumper annoys people instead of leaving them alone or sticking to those who are somewhat interested, that's a problem

>You don't recall the Great Crusade. Or the hundreds of wars fought over religion?
>implying it was strictly about religion and not territory, control, resources, economics, politics, power
you really gotta stay in school, you know absolutely nothing of the world dynamics at play. Religion does not exist as an optional void in people's lives or in isolation, it's a powerful driving force that can be used for good and bad. The idea is to bring as much people to good, rather than evils or just eliminating it altogether (which in itself, is an evil).

>Mind expanding on that point?
I hinted degeneracy numbnuts, use your head. Connect the dots. Aren't you enlightened atheist?

>Just imagine if we had kikes running door to door spreading communism. They probably get shot
you don't get guns in communism, kid. only the state does.

>You're telling me before the Bible, people had no morals?
Yes, you fucking cannibal savage. Go enslave people somewhere else

>All atheists have no morals?
They can have a sense of it, typically based on *gasp* Christian values, but they have no real means of justifying morals other than feelings and the state, meaning the law's word is now their new god's word

They are ruled by communists. There is no free market, just backstabbing and horseshit product.

this is obvs bait but i actually agree

Then show me where in the world a free market exists.

Because what you just said sounds suspiciously like "not real capitalism".

A monopoly of every sector of economics (the result of unchecked capitalism) is called COMMUNISM you unbelievably ignorant nincompoop.

What the fuck are you even trying to say lmao

>ID is literally "ape"

can't make this shit up

In before Chinese scientists killing kids with truck at 10 miles per hour.

Euphoric m8

Monopoly is total control over a sector of the economy. Centralized planning creates a monopoly of all sectors of the economy. Crony capitalism (the seamless merger of government with corporations) if left unchecked, creates monopolies of all sectors. The end result is the exact same as communism.

The problem of a huge, overreaching government cannot, ever, be solved by a larger overreaching government. You cannot dig yourself out of a hole. You cannot fuck your way out of having AIDS. But you seem to thing so.

This is, in reality, econ 101 that you never learned at your Marxist infiltrated American school.

>Monopoly is total control over a sector of the economy. Centralized planning creates a monopoly of all sectors of the economy
Monopolization is a natural occurance of capitalism due to the accumulation of capital. "Crony capitalism" is a meaningless term because capitalism which wasn't interlodged with the state never existed, in fact capitalism and the nation state aren't a dichotomy but symbiotic. Now, in Chinas case you are correct that Dengs reforms transformed government institutions into actors under private law with the government being the main shareholder. But that it is in now way socialism. Socialism isn't "when the government does things" or when there is "less market".

>This is, in reality, econ 101 that you never learned at your Marxist infiltrated American school
I'm not a burger. And it's funny since I can't even work for my faculty since I'm member of a communist party. Some marxist infiltration that is.

You science gods are now pushing race and sex as a purely social construct. You were polpot, Mao, stalin

You are all naive arrogant idiots.

china used communism as a method to overthrow the western puppets installed by the west and also purge the stagnant elements from their society. after they purged them all they went capitalist/fascist and will dominate the entire world.

chinese philosophy is superior to western philosophy.

it's called fascism you fucking retard. china is totalitarian but have a state run capitalist economy. it's just like what hitler had minus the socialism because they don't believe in human rights.

china is hitler's economy without socialism or what we call fascist. it's not about equality at all or destroying hierarchy which is the core of communism.

will it happen before or after the collapse of the west and their economic ponzi scheme along with the hordes of 50 iq subhumans they're inviting into their countries?

The reason everyone is China's bitch is because they literally hacked every country's government and has dirt on everyone.

Your entire explanation is meaningless. When all capital is in the hands of the state, and the state is run by people, the same result of crony capitalism will occur. It didn't start in the US until the "trust busting" laws with Rockafeller. In reality, those laws only hid his wealth.

You do realize that the US Constitution has a beautiful clause in it that only allowed a corporate charter to be renewed IF the corporation showed a public benefit every ten years. It was why the US became so dominant in a world of mediocrity during it's initial century. Only through the corruption of politicians and a complacent public, was this system undermined. The Constitution remains, the perfect model so far in history. When the country deviates from it, it falters. It falters in the same way with Communism, but the corruption (theft) is complete and all encompassing from the start, not at the end. The US Constitution is a guard against theft from the people's property. You can have equality of opportunity, or equality of material resources, but not both. I would far rather have the evils of capitalism with a strong US Constitution than the complete theft of all personal property under Communism. The legacy of every communist regime is written in history with blood and destruction. It will NEVER be a system unless human will changes. You may have your system in the end, but it will not be ruling free humanity - it will be ruling a fucking shell of what we were. Even worse, it will destroy the potential of what we could have been.

>I'm not a burger. And it's funny since I can't even work for my faculty since I'm member of a communist party. Some marxist infiltration that is.

That's good. Perhaps the tide is turning in the US and they will round up and summarily execute all of you civilization-destroyers soon.

You cannot escape the Hegelian dialectic. Socialism is socialism. Marx and Hitler both realized they were inescapably tied to this dialectic of total governmental control.

The answer is not more government. The answer is a government that is the right size - small.

A fire (government) is a good thing if it is in your firre-place. When it spreads to your floor and roof and bed, it should be stomped out with all of humanities might, lest all be consumed. Quit being so historically niavete. Communism has ALWAYS failed. It will never be, and eventually you civilization-destroyers will be exterminated by a public has awoken.

likely before by 20 or so years.

Capitalism isn't equality of opportunity, it's the opposite. Socialism is also not "everybody earns the same". Get that out of your head. It's hard to take you seriously when you are trying to argue that the property rights of shareholders of corporations are some "the people's property". You also conflate private property with personal property. A company is not your personal property. You don't really make an argument in your post, you know. You fail to realize that capitalism has inherent contradictions, and that private property rights are in now way "natural" - they have been violently enforced on people during the encloser of commons.

>Even worse, it will destroy the potential of what we could have been
Russia is surely better off under capitalism than under socialism...

One very good advantage China has from being an atheist country is that they will be more open towards genetic engineering. This will have big implications for HDB and the future.

HBD i meant.

>Science and religion are mutually exclusive
>You cannot be religious and and put faith in science at the same time
>Being religious inherintly makes you underperform compared to an aethiest
>Being this retarded

I hope you deepthroat a hand-cannon for being so stupid.

Also:
>Guy who proposed Big Bang Theory was a Catholic
>At a Catholic University
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

Choke on your own fedora. The only tail you've had in life was on the way out your mother's cavernous cunt.

Lemaitre derived the theory from publications on general relativity not from the Pope

so you don't control the discourse. there's a difference which is greater than any of the stupid shit you're talking about.

communism and socialism are about spreading equality through social programs. china is collectivist, but so what? individuals always collapse in front of the strength of unity. the army isn't a free wheeling place where anybody can do whatever the fuck they want.

>Communism has ALWAYS failed
good thing china isn't communist and is instead state run capitalism which has proven to be the most successful economic model in the human history. it transformed a third world country into the superpower of the world in 30 years while the dominant powers tried to handicap them.

>total governmental control.
you're stupid as shit. freedom has only given america a bunch of shitskin subhumans flooding their borders and raping and destroying their civilization.

capitalism is good since there's not a better method to distribute goods and regulate prices. it's not good because it's magical you fucking retard. the good of the whole is more important than the good of the individual. your freedumb isn't trump the benefits of the whole. the west will collapse from all the shitskin subhumans, feminism, and kikes before china does. and china won't collapse either btw. china is why the west didn't collapse completely last time the bubble burst

>Russia is surely better off under capitalism than under socialism...

They are. Krasnoyarsk (Siberia) is one of the only productive cities in the nation. Moscow is a hell hole of decay. All the disillusioned KGB operatives have formed the FSB and have seized the nation under a new paradigm but only AFTER communism murdered everyone with a morsel of ingenuity. Those rebel remnants are in SIBERIA, the only productive place in the nation. Communism genetically cleanses the population of all the creative minds. The capitalism in Russia is floundering because of the hold over of Communist moral decay and weeding out of the strong genetics.

>communism murdered everyone

no a bunch of angry eurasian peasants murdered everyone, just like capitalism didn't murder the native americans

Explain to me how socialism cleansed the population of creative minds. Go ahead.

>moral decay
>muh genetics
Unfiltered, naive idealism

As far as Fascism is a (dare I say necessary) reactionary government against communism, I condemn its shortcomings far less than Communism.

In fact, I don't know how to deal with the communists better than how they were dealt with under that banner in the past.

I also agree that multiculturalism is poison. The society should be homogeneous. White genocide is real.

>you can't be Christain and still be a scientist
>oh wait he didn't talk to the pope about it it doesn't count
Stop moving the goalposts you retard. You were wrong so shut up.

the scientist Lemaitre did the work, not the Catholic Lemaitre

if Lemaitre wasn't a scientist he wouldn't have figured it out, if he wasn't a Catholic and he had done the work he still would have figured it out

>Never had an atheist president
C'mon, you really think they're not just pandering to the largest voter base? I don't think for a second that Trump or even Obama gave one shit about what the Bible says.

There's no way he'd have the idea about creation without being guided by an old man wearing a dress and sitting in a throne in Rome inspired by the words of a dead kike on a stick.

I would assume you are a troll, but you wrote so much... Tell me why the greatest scientific achievements were made in Christian countries? Or why the father of physics, Newton, was a devout Christian? I'm not even a Christian but I hate people like you.

>why the greatest scientific achievements were made in Christian countries

the greeks were pagan, a disproportionate number of productive physicists of the early 20th century were Jewish, christian countries destabilized the rest of the world through colonization, where in places like mesoamerica (also pagan) they destroyed hundreds of years worth of scientific and philosophic texts whose only survivors showed that they had an advanced understanding of hydrodynamics and stress-based structural engineering before Newtonian physics were developed

You gotta give it to the Chinese. They're not obsessed with trannies and shitskins like the west is. They don't allow foreigners to come to their country and spit on them like pathetic European countries. I bet Chinese leadership laughs whenever one of these western countries gives probation to some shitskin rapist.

i'm starting to think the whole multiparty democracy thing is jew made - you're fighting each other and giving the government a free pass
while in a one-party state, the people fight the government

Those Chinese still live in a shithole. They can have fun getting cancer from the air

The real reason China may rise has nothing to do with that and everything to do with the fact that they will start genetic engineering ubermensch while everyone else is stuck in a moral quandary about it