1984

Why do lefties think 1984 has more to do with Trump than themselves? Are they accidentally red pilling themselves?

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yeah, It's like they think 1 plus 1 is three.

Knowing these kikes they probably changed the message of the book to be le fuck drumpf. Only reason they'd do it in the first place.

>getting arrested

This makes me feel good

Criminal scum level cos of feels.

ENCORE!

>1984
>lefties having any clue what it actually tries to convey

Like "the left can't meme", the left is also entirely incapable of reasonable and structured thought, critical theory and other marxist nonsense will do that to your brain.

They simply will not recognize what the actual message was, and instead they'll take away "torture bad, government trump bad, love trumps hate, le drumpf" and other superficial nonsense.

its quite ironic that the dont realize that 1948 was about the dangers of an out of control socialist goverment much in the same as orwels animal farm. and that the dont seem to be realzing that there inplementing the exact same policies like "hatespeech"

>1948
i made a typo i meant 1984

but youre wrong, re-read the book

Less about hatespeech more about government decided permissible speech.

The irony is actually astounding.

It pertains to all forms of authoritarianism that takes hold of every aspect of life. Including language, which they would love to regulate.

the main message of the book was that you must always think critically

Also currently reading more, and I feel that Brave New World applies to us more

Animal farm was more about how the struggles of power in the post-revolution bolshevik party ruined what could have (in Orwells opinion) emerged as a good communist republic.

1984 is more about how unchecked totalitarian ideologies end up dominating every aspect of life, both fascist and socialist. Orwell himself was a leftist but more of a libertarian leftist if there is such a thing. He was against gun control, very much pro free speech and the rights of the individual. But that requires something almost non existant to work, an informed population.

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Yes, brave new world is indeed more applicable than 1984 if you want to draw parallells with todays society. But I think that is down to PC liberalism dominating since the second world war ended, had the US not emerged as the actual super power, running eights around the soviet union in terms of economy, I'm sure 1984 would be closer.

>Fainting
>Vomiting
I have seen this before

But "hatespeech" is a prime example of what Orwell warned about, though. Its just another form of thoughtcrime.

Also I feel that Brave New World applies to us more. Please no spoilers for anyone that's read it. I'm only a quarter of the way through.

So far it's
>Corporations use gimmicks to force spread of consumerism. Useless gadgets for everything
>Information is widely available, however people are too indoctrinated to properly interpret any of it
>Bluepilled society wastes time with entertainment beyond anything else
>Promiscuity and destruction of the family
>Secularist society where government is God
>World controllers scheming everything
>Use drugs and hormones to subdue and sedate the population to prevent revolt

Obviously 1984 has applications such as war perpetuating itself for business purposes. Government surveillance, drones included etc.

Wtf am I reading?

"""Alternative facts"""

Jeez, I wonder why Trump is associated with 1984.

The fuck outta here CNN

Which in todays context in the west is hatespeech. "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows" applies to saying "muslim immigrants are a 5th column" in the West as much as it applies to saying "Kim Jong Un is a dictator" in the People's Republic of North Korea.

Absolutely. 1984 is when the people know the government has power. Brave New World is when the people think they have power, when really the government has the power. It's all really if you want to control the people directly or indirectly. In the case of the west we are as a whole slaves to our own greed

It's not like the last president actually blocked certain news organizations entirely that he didn't like from press meetings *cough cough Fox cough cough Obama*

Trump has not restricted anyones free speech or access. He has merely disputed their almost unchecked bullshit

considering that dems/progressives and their pr arm the media provably lies in one hour much much more than trump did in his entire primary and now term should tell you something, but considering that you are a dem i probably cant tell you anything cause you have the iq of public toilet.

Brave New World is more apt to describe current events, absolutely. Kinda surprising in how much it's forgotten about.
Orwell was worried government would use force to subordinate everyone.
Huxley was worried government would use pleasure to subordinate everyone.

this, we live in Brave New World, I give it decade or two and it will become 1984

the part about 1984 that seems to apply to the USA is that we always have an enemy that justifies our enormous military budget. When the USSR broke up, pretty soon Islamic terrorism filled the void. And now it seems that Russia and NK might be looming as major threats.

I'd love to go back to 1950 and have the USA mind its own business. How many European, Middle Eastern, Asian, and African wars would have occurred, with what outcome. In spite of our efforts, there has been war after war anyway, and everyone hates us, and we can't afford things like health care.

And as for Brave New World, the government doesn't really encourage any sort of drug to dull us into obedience, and the mass media that we love is pretty much what we want. The "joos" don't actually force us to like crap; we gobble it up because we love it.

The books a re synonymous with Brave NEw World definately being the reality.

1984 has to do with surveillance, therefore normies can handle it mentally, Brave new world is for non retards

Bretty much the only based Anglo

Brave New World is about conditioning people from birth to accept their station, 1984 is about a goverment maintaining power for the sake of power. Brave New World looks closer to the modern world than 1984, because we're basically at the stage of a lot of the population taking half-gramme holidays already, but the language policing is far closer to 1984 "badwords are censored so much with the aim that opposing views can no longer be expressed because there's no language left to express them" than BNW's "most people don't want to speak out because they've been taught from birth to accept their station and are happy with it, but if you speak out too much you'll get exiled to the islands where science and shit still goes on".

obamas patriot act(with digital varient) was the most orwellian thing to happen

the things he let the deep state and alphabet agencies get away with is astonishing

the laws enacted to prevent privacy and security

the laws enacted to silence our speech and prevent a podium for our opinion

>It's not like the last president actually blocked certain news organizations entirely that he didn't like from press meetings *cough cough Fox cough cough Obama*

Obama never blocked Fox. Nice alternative fact, though.

>Brave New World
The novel opens in London in AF 632 (AD 2540 in the Gregorian calendar). The society is illuminated by the activities of the novel's central characters, Lenina Crowne and Bernard Marx, and others. Lenina, a hatchery worker, is socially accepted and contented, but Bernard, a psychologist in the Directorate of Hatcheries and Conditioning, is not. He is shorter in stature than the average of his Alpha caste—a quality shared by the lower castes, which gives him an inferiority complex. His intelligence and his work with hypnopaedia allow him to understand, and disapprove of, the methods by which society is sustained. Courting disaster, he is vocal and arrogant about his differences. Bernard is mocked by other Alphas because of his stature, as well as for his individualistic tendencies, and is threatened with exile to Iceland because of his nonconformity. His only friend is Helmholtz Watson, a lecturer at the College of Emotional Engineering. The friendship is based on their feelings of being misfits (in the context of the World State), but unlike Bernard, Watson's sense of alienation stems from being exceptionally gifted, intelligent, handsome, and physically strong. Helmholtz is drawn to Bernard as a confidant.

eat cock

>Are they accidentally red pilling themselves?

No. Lefties never engage politics on a logical level, which would be required for them to understand the irony.

They engage it exclusively on an emotional level, where they don't question if things make sense but only if they feel right.

Fahrenheit 451 fits pretty fucking well, too. You could actually just cut it down to Beatty's monologue when he visits Guy, the rest of the book is mostly padding.

>1950
>U.S. "minding its own business"

Guess you forgot about the Korean War, huh? Or do they not teach that shit in high school anymore? By the end of WW II, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were in the midst of a Cold War that would last until 1991. After that, the U.S., having won the Cold War, would embark on a series of misadventures in the name of "democratizing" the Third World and the former Soviet Bloc. It has not stopped since. This is coming from an American patriot and military veteran who *hates* our foreign policy and wishes we'd stop playing World Police and get our own shit in order.

I would think a person would like Lord Byron too, and the fact that the empire, together with Russia, assisted your fight for independence.

If only Robert A. Taft had become president, so much shit would have been prevented.

While I dont prescribe to the jewish stuff here, I think you're wrong about our culture being a consumerist hedonistic society because we like it. Temperateness used to be a virtue, and I think the death of christianity in Europe is what has caused this.

I didn't even know about this until I passed the theater and was like wtf is this shit 1984 on Broadway and then was like oh let me guess because of Trump. I made a scowl as I passed the theater.

>tfw in obamas term you could be thrown into gitmo without a hearing or jury

>tfw you could have been labeled a terrorist without evidence or the person a chance to defend themselves in a court of law

>tfw people like manning had just that happen

>tfw people in gitmo were raped and tortured

>tfw this went on obamas whole term

>tfw obama let the cia torture innocent people in the middle east

>tfw obama let them drone civillians by the 100s (lots of leaks of video)

>tfw isis was a response to this

>tfw if trump every created a law like the patriot act it would of started a civil war

>tfw lefties are worse than boot lickers

they are cock suckers

When Bush II passed the Patriot Act, the left correctly read him the riot act. When Obama doubled down on it and extended executive orders and power, the left was silent. Now that Trump is in office, the left is even more shrill than they were with Bush. It's partisanship all the way down.

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Don't forget Hillary was advising Obama to do all this. It's got her fingerprints all over it. Sure Obama didn't have to listen to her but she can blackmail like nobody's business.

If you cross your eyes on that image to line them up, it's 3D!

i dont get it
what is it about 1984 that triggers them and makes them do crime?

the UK snoopers charter is actually worse. also don't forget he Trump administration is taking surveillance even further than Obama. this is happening across the world simultaneously though. the truly scary thing is how little the public opposes it

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016#Authorities_allowed_to_access_Internet_connection_records

He was a socialist at one point but after the crimes of communism were revealed he gave up the ideology entirely but Wikipedia won't tell you that.

One is a what, 30 year old woman who is contesting against some of the fittest women on the planet, the other was compared to mostly aged old men who has done no actual work their entire life. False equivalence if i ever saw it.

I had to read BNW in school, but, either I had a different copy than you or our English teacher totally "conditioned" us to understand the book in a totally different way (we were concentrating on the drugs an environment the whole time...) cause I've never looked at it this way.... Fucking schools

As a foreigner living in London, I am absolutely AMAZED at how much londoners trust government and trust that CCTV will keep them safe. Actually all it does it allow the government to put up creepy big brother sees you signs everywhere. They do no good otherwise, they can't unstab or unrape you, or even make sounds when they catch something going on.

>Guess you forgot about the Korean War, huh?

You are a special kind of stupid.

I can't tell whether or not the rest of your post agrees with mine or not.

Have a nice day.

Fascinating.

The same shit that happened that happened when the Exorcist. It was claimed people having heart attacks and whatnot from the movie.

1984's case I think it's just the use of excessive violence and lots of blood.

They can't handle finding out the social policies they want to implement are used by people with authoritarian ambitions and they literally in there own 1984 while viewing this film.

You've never read the book have you

same thing is happening everywhere, it's just more difficult in the US because of its size and constitution. but there's ways around it. here's an interesting article on the subject.

foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/16/the-rules-of-the-brave-new-cyberworld/

Lefty here, it's because they identify the tendency toward autocratic policies and the willingness of his supporters to back what, for all intents and purposes, appears to be a personality cult around the man.

Of course, 1984 had more to do with the political sanitization of language being used to control the people, which the left is currently much more guilty of despite a strong showing of effort from the right.

They read it for their English class in school, they were dumb kids (they're still dumb) so all they remember is that it was about a government that isn't sunshine and rainbows, so they post "LUMPF = 1984" on twitter to look smart

Ironically, something closer to 1984 would be the UK arresting people for not liking muslims

"A strong effort by the right" by who Laura loomer? I think the alt right is too pro free speech for it's own good.

My beliefs are close to Orwell's own
I still the best kind of country was Sweden up until a decade or two ago

I am such a special kind of stupid that I have totally missed how you've disproved what I said. You originally implied that the U.S. was "minding its own business" in 1950, and, furthermore, that there was a culture of isolationism in the U.S. at the time. That is clearly not the case, and the Korean War is a perfect example (the U.S. did the heavy lifting in that war, as it *usually* does).

notice how they put 'anonymous' in the same category as ISIS

"While the Islamic State conducts most of its operations in the physical realm, hacking networks like Anonymous rely predominantly on digital capabilities. Despite Anonymous having little, if any, centralized command structure, the group (or individuals claiming to be affiliated with the group) has successfully attacked government agencies, major international corporations, and political figures.

Anonymous and the Islamic State both demonstrate a central feature of the digital age: Even decentralized non-state actors can wield considerable power through the acquisition and deployment of cybercapacity. We should expect this trend to intensify quickly."

George Orwell on liberal intellectuals

From a letter to Noel Willmett written in 1944:

'Most of them are perfectly ready for dictatorial methods, secret police, systematic falsification of history etc. so long as they feel that it is on ‘our’ side.'

nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?mcubz=2

>The first real shot from the White House, however, came when aides excluded “Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace” — which they had previously treated as distinct from the network — from a round of presidential interviews with Sunday morning news programs in mid-September.

>In a sign of discomfort with the White House stance, Fox’s television news competitors refused to go along with a Treasury Department effort on Thursday to exclude Fox from a round of interviews with the executive-pay czar Kenneth R. Feinberg that was to be conducted with a “pool” camera crew shared by all the networks.
>a Treasury Department effort on Thursday to exclude Fox from a round of interviews

Both controlled opposition so they can take away our individual liberties as well as anything nationalistic.

Straight to archive
archive.is/kRSod

saw the movie, it wasn't a big deal.

Or Germany arrested 36 people for 'hate speech' on Twitter

Stupid people never connect the dots though, and the lefty is both unintelligent and brainwashed. I have never met a genuinely intelligent individual who is left wing. If they are supposedly smart but are unable to use basic logic, they are little more than autism machines - useful in useless theoretical fields because they can spew numbers quickly

That's right, an "effort". They didn't actually get banned though, unlike what happened with the Trump administration.

>when aides excluded “Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace”

Slander(which I don't believe should exist)is a real thing my friend. You can't say the president had hookers piss on a bed as he watched and laughed while saying racist shit.

>too pro free speech
too pro free speech
>too pro free speech
too pro free speech

communist faggot

Brave New World is what applies to America
1984 is what applies to UK and Germany

A single interviewer, from a single round of interviews. You seriously think that's comparable to blocking an entire news network?

It's combination of both.

The jungle kid fucks Bernard's waifu and commits suicide

>alternative facts
being an alternative to lies is virtuous
youtube.com/watch?v=jTWY14eyMFg

>blocking an entire news network
Proofs?

>implying there should be limits on speech
>ever
get out you commie scum

>they are cock suckers

I don't think they mind that label.

>Too pro free speech for it's own good.
Well that's kind of a shitty attitude to have. But no, I was talking about shit like this:
miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article12983720.html
Or alternatively the Shakespeare in the Park debacle.

That much is obvious
Liberal intellectuals want to guide humanity
I'm sure they are smart, maybe even very smart, but they cannot for the life of them understand that not everyone is that smart
They believe people are simply uneducated, and educating them will make everyone smarter and better
So they see themselves as parents, they do things the "children" don't want, but they're just children they can't understand yet, they'll see reason when they grow up

What are they fainting, vomiting, and getting arrested over?

all these "hurf durf lefties dum xDDD" talk

go ask the next guy you see wearing a maga hat what he thinks of 1984

$10 bucks says he'd answer with "i wasnt born yet"

Just poz my memory hole up faam

>trump isnt also part of a corporate-fascist totalitarian movemeny with any regard for human dignity
/Po/l has turned into a bunch redditard faggots with zero critical thinking skills.

>personality cult
As a non-American, to me it seems that leftists are much more preoccupied with Trump than right wingers are.

Myself and my stuffed animals prefer Animal Farm. Pic related.

>wtf is this shit 1984 on Broadway
You should it, along with Orwells other books you fucking pleb.

Leftists always project, they always blame other people for what they are really doing

How old are you?

the redpill is a tough pill to swallow.

I fucking hate these people. They flat out lie while going on about muh 1984 as if they've ever read it.
Trump never called her miss Piggy or mocked her for being fat. He saved her career, mocked himself and the reporters. It wasn't Trump that thought she was fat, it was the reporters, so he came out saying that we're all a bit fat pointing to himself and saying that some of the reporters in the room aren't that fit either.
He told them to chill out and got a personal trainer to work with Alicia Machado.

The ''miss Piggy'' thing is completely made up. There is no recording of Trump ever calling her that. There is no evidence the two of them have ever been alone together in the same room.
These people either lie or they can't be bothered to check the facts, then they go on about muh 1984 and bringing up ''alternative facts''.

Is she naked on stage like they were in the movie?

nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/trump-russia-meeting-american-reporters-blocked.html

They believe Trump will usher in a 'Dark Era' just like in 1984. I read the book a couple years back, and studied it in high shcool.

They don't want to admit that THEY are the ones pushing for more government, they are the ones who created wrongthink, and thought crimes, yet THEY complain about how ''Trump is LITERALLY BIG BROTHER''.

And the weak leftist audience faints and vomits ? Holy shit, These are the people who want you to obey or dfie, people who can't stand A FUCKING PLAY.

Plays about right-wing death squads when ?

>Like "the left can't meme",

All the Trumpers pointing to 1984 and saying it's an indictment of leftist government. The irony is palpable.
1984 is a condemnation of people entrusting autocratic governments and allowing their freedom to be taken in return for "safety." He originally wrote it to condemn those of his fellow naive socialists who saw promise in the soviet union and communism after just defeating fascism in the second world war.

Autocracy in all forms is a cucked ideology. You're handing your power over to a daddy dom. Or a "God Emporer." And they will turn on you.

>I don't have a source so I'll say what I like and claim people won't tell you it.

>reporters should be allowed in private meetings.

you are trying to imply some sort of preferential treatment.

this is not evidence of that.