The end of 'bake my cake'?

>The Supreme Court said Monday that it would hear a major religious liberties case that could grant new freedoms to businesses to discriminate against gays and lesbians — and potentially others — based on the faith of the owners.

>The high-profile dispute pits the rights of religious individuals against gay rights, two issues that have been at the forefront of several recent Supreme Court decisions. Both are high priorities for Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, whose vote in this matter will probably be key.

>In the past, Kennedy has been both a strong supporter of gay rights and a defender of religious liberty.

>But Justice Kennedy, who wrote the court’s opinion upholding same-sex marriages, has also joined the court’s conservatives in upholding religious exemptions. He joined the 5-4 majority in the Hobby Lobby case, which said the Christian family who owned a chain of craft stores could refuse to provide their employees the full range of contraceptives called for by the federal healthcare law.

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Christians do not somehow have the "right" to inflict harm upon sexual minorities.

As quoted in the OP, Kennedy has shown over and over again he supports religious exemptions. May go either way with him, but your end zone dancing is definitely premature.

Also, homosexuals have no federal protections under the Civil Rights Act, which says absolutely nothing about sexual orientation. 21 states have laws giving homosexuals public accommodation protections, but 29 states do not.

>sexual minorities

Kek, can't wait until we gas you all.

Colorado has a state law prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. This isn't a Civil Rights Act case.

How do you feel about a gay mechanic refusing to fix the car of a Christian?

Big if true.

I can't speak for all Christians but I wouldn't want a fag touching my car at all.

So pretty good :thumb:

>sexual minorities
When the day of the rope comes, you'll be sexual extinctinorities.

Christians fix their own cars.

>gay mechanic
Yeah okay buddy, even if he was gay he'd definitely not be a giant faggot.

I don't know, does the Christian demand this mechanic come to his church to fix it, like homosexuals do their gay weddings? Does the Christian tell the mechanic to fix the car in some Christian way, the way the homosexual tells the baker that they're gay and want a rainbow-colored gay pride cake?

Let me just get my tool. It's in my pants.

I see looks like your full of HOT OIL. Just gonna need to use my hand to help ejaculate some of that oil.

Oh yes! I see it's coming out of your exhaust pipe now. Might need to get to your back seat so I can use my tool!

They would lose a lot of business if they made that choice. If they want to lose that many customers that should be their choice and they should be allowed to limit themselves.
In a free market someone can fix cars down the street from them accept everyone.
People will go back to the place that does the best work and that they like the best, and that does the work they ask for.

Stop driving 20 year old rust buckets. There aren't even screws on Iphones anymore. Why wouldn't car manufacturers be scum as well?

But would you be okay with him being able to refuse? What about other services? Like a super market not selling to Christians or a concert not selling tickets to Christians?

I'd call a very bad business decision. But it definitely shouldn't be illegal.

Why did this even had to get to the supreme court.

Yes, free market bitch.

Alternatively, I'm okay with discrimination laws if they make political correctness illegal too.

>How do you feel about a gay mechanic refusing to fix the car of a Christian?

Illegal under the civil rights act.

We alredy had "womens only" screening for Wonder woman, the answer is simple:
A, Don't go
>or
B.Self Identify as a faggot for 30 minutes.

Its funny when 3-4% terrorizes majority. Seriously grow some balls.

>stop driving 20 year old rust buckets
no, fuck you and your shitty cars with no personality
>t. owner of a 54 year-old car

>i hate you and everything you stand for
>but also i want you to be a part of the most important day of my life

I guess it makes sense that a fucking communist wouldn't believe in the free market and just go buy something from someone they think deserves it.

there's a clear difference between selling a product and selling a service. i believe you cannot refuse a sale of a product to anyone for any reason. if the main goal of the business is to make money it's nonsense.

however baking a cake is obviously providing a service. you can refuse anyone any service for any reason. if the ruling is that you cannot discriminate on religious grounds, that means you can force people against their will to do things for you aka slavery

prove me wrong

Same reason the President's travel ban had to go to the SC. Liberal activist judges. 9th needs to be broken up and judges need to be replaced with judges, even the SC, getting a reduction in their power. It's complete cancer what we have now.

cars stopped being good in the early 90s. Anything later than that is basically a piece of shit you should not be driving.

There are probably some exceptions, like industrial vans or something i dont know

Yeah sure. Let's say the Christian wants big crosses installed on his car or something. Something purely optic, like an inscription on a cake.

>free market
A city babby. First of all, there are specialised mechanics that have the tools and know-how to fix cars from certain manufacturers. Secondly, if you live in a rural area, such car mechanics can be rare. That means the free market is distortet by outside forces in the real world.

But yeah, loss of customers is a good argument. If you wanted to encourage public lynching campaigns informing the public about business decisions of bakers and mechanics.

The same reason as the travel moratorium: The lower courts are currently stacked with insane Democrat-appointed liberal activist judges.

It'll start to correct itself in the next few years as Trump puts conservatives on the bench, but right now it's just atrocious.

What if it is a small, rural town and there is only one car repair shop without having to drive 25 miles over to the next town? Why do you deserve to be able to inconvenience people?

no shoes

no shirt

no service

>super market not selling to Christians
How the fuck do you imagine that?
>HERE I GO, YOUR AVERAGE CATHOLIC
>CHRIST I HOPE THEY DON'T FIND OUT
>cashier: you know I can hear you, right?
>FUUUCK

The fag is free not to live in the restrictive rural environment then.

>inflict harm
so refusing to bake a wedding cake for gays is inflicting harm now, that's some sweet mental gymnastics
>sexual minorities
lel

Then find somone to do the paint job, Or ask your dealership, Unless dealerships are filled with faggots too? My point is, Walk 2 blocks and you'll probably find someone willing to do it.

Now we arrive at your
>hurr durr rural retard
moment. If you live in a rural area and know NOBODY in your family or in your close friends able to do some work around a car, You seriously fucked up, and should invest in bleach at the instant.

You see, you destroy their cake before it even existed and they could make it their property by buying it from you, so you committed temporal assault.

The same way a baker finds out his customers are fags. Walk in displaying a cross or any other sign of Christianity, get told to leave.

It's more a thought experiment.

The Christian trying to get his car fixed is also free to move.
Okay, what about other services? Those that are critical for live. Like a mechanic refusing to fix your heating because you have crosses in your house. It's easy in cities, but in remote areas?

so some fag opened his own shop and refuses to work on christian owned cars?
fine with me, i'll go somewhere else and laugh when he goes out of business because he has no customers

What if you claim it was in self defence, since there was a timeline from this point in time where you ended up being raped?

Whoa bro, I own a 73 Opel gt rallye it has tons of personality.

>member of 3% minority refuses to fix car of 60-80% majority

sure is good for his buissnes

also faggots can go to hell

Go be mentally ill somewhere else.

>germ-user ignores every single of my post

I hope your sister gets BLACKED.

Flag, it checks out. I agree on the homocaust.

Reminder that the average dumbass American will tell you 25% or 33% of the U.S. population is gay, mostly due to television and the disproportionate media coverage.

oh shit

Can't wait till Kennedy retires and all the """progress""" you sodomites have made gets undone :^)

Hm. You mean a timeline where said cake becomes sentient and tries to rape you, thus you have to destroy it? I guess.
Just make sure you're not a straight white male. Or at least claim you'll find out sometime in the future that you're actually transgender which will eventually lead to a sex change operation.

I never said it can't go both ways, that's fine.

If the fag can't get anyone to fix his heating, it's time to move.

Two weeks ago I had to get my car fixed. There was something wrong with the servo steering. Since I am a rural retard, there weren't lots of dealerships around to choose from. Since it was a problem in the electronics, it was impossible to fix for a layman without spending literally thousands of €s on trial and error which part of the electronics had to be replaced.

If I were Canadian, the one mechanic able to find out what to replace could have told me to shut my fag hole and piss off in America.

My options would have been to drive an hour or so with fucked steering to the next dealership or to spent hundreds of €s on a maybe solution.

Now would you be okay with that being legal to do to someone if it were to happen to you?

You must discuss the possibility of creating concentration camps for faggots who didn't start a normal heterosexual life.

>1973
exactly my point

>Stop driving 20 year old rust buckets. There aren't even screws on Iphones anymore. Why wouldn't car manufacturers be scum as well?

t. the female team at volvo that designed a car that needs special tools to access the engine and isn't designed to be serviced by anyone but trained service techs

Sexual minorities included: Alexander the Great, Frederick the Great, Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Turning, Trajan,...

Gay men are okay as long as they are not deviants, lesbians on the other hand are just sick

>convert to islam
>refuse to bake cakes for infidels unless they can praise allah in arabic while facing mecca
>if they whine take it to court
>allahu ackbar

>This guy that raped my daughter and got off on a technicality came to my shop because his steering is broken. Since I am the only shop within 100 miles that can work on his type of car I should be forced to help him.

Business is fucking business. How fucking dumb do you have to be to deny service to someone. How do you think big companies would work if they'd think like these. People with this mindset do not belong into the world of commerce and trade.

>3% minority
He could be a specialist of some kind. Then his minority status doesn't matter.

Are there services where you'd say it's okay/needed for the government to enforce them being provided to fags and Christians?

Something i don't understand...
Why does the government has any say in the matter ?
Are we talking about private businesses ? And if so , they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. If discriminating against certain groups is the buisness owner's choice , it's his/her problem. Not the government's.
Besides , the market will decide if it's a good or bad decision.
If people boycott it to the point where said business goes bankrupt , oh well...The boss only has himself to blame.
If on the contrary , some people actually support said business because they happen to share the same ideas , and the guy ends up making more money (word of mouth etc..) , more power to him.

But why in the hell should the government be involved in any of this ?
Can someone explain ? I thought America had more liberties than France.

Shitty analogy because it isn't against a super market's secularlism to sell goods to people.

Hey, atheist trump supporter here.

I don't hate gays..they have a mental illness.. but leftists and communists can fuck right off.

This is how it will go down:

You can't just say "they can go somewhere else" because that gets back into "separate but equal" kind of stuff that got shot down in the 60's. So those kind of arguments are going to get thrown out.

Contrary to the people not receiving service being 'harmed' you can definitively say the religious person is being harmed by being forced into an act contrary to his belief system.

Here is a better analogy and the real test: I go into a Muslim bakery and order a cake depicting Mohammed eating a pork chop for my birthday. Should the Muslim be forced to depict my imagery?

Why is literally any person besides a government obligated to give you service and much less why would you want someone hypothetically who despises you fixing something as fickle as vehicle steering? Thats just the topper of terrible arguments but it even fails in relevance the proposed situation in no way endorses a morally exclusive lifestyle choice like gay marriage and it also does not involve a religious aspect such as marriage.

>Oh wow, look at these great men, they were alleged queers, look how awesome they were!!!
Keep them in the closet. Do you think I'm unaware of the fact that they don't have full control over their sexuality?
>Gay men
>not deviants
Pick one.

Fucking Serbs forgot to take out the trash again.

>not having a car insurance that covers towing fees.

Nobody wants to buy cakes from terrorists anyway.
They probably have bombs in them.

Tell me about the time the fags raped you in your bakery.

The real question here is why you are walking up to mechanics and saying

>Hey, I'm gay. Not even manly gay. I wear panties and have hairy dudes ram me up the ass without touching my dick until I spurt semen all up in my chastity cage, and tell them to call me sally. If my ass gets loser that's all fine, it'll be more like a vagina. Being fucked like a bitch is great, you hear? Best shit ever, even if you get shit everywhere. Anyways, do you want to fix my car?

>grant new freedoms to businesses to discriminate against gays and lesbians

wow this article isn't biased at all!

>Shitty analogy
You don't say. It's almost like that was my point or something.

>People with this mindset do not belong into the world of commerce and trade.
>t. Bosnian subhuman
Freedom of association should be a right. If you don't want to sell to a queer- don't. If you don't want to serve a nigger - don't.

If you want to sell to untermenschen, be my guest. But the government shouldn't force you to do anything that goes against your morals.

>fucking Serbs forgot to take out the trash
The Serbs which have a ugly lesbo for president?

Come on Boris, we were allies in both world wars, and we cheered for you in the second Balkan war, don't be like that

>discriminate against gays and lesbians — and potentially others — based on the faith of the owners.
>potentially others
they didn't have the balls to write "women" because suggesting that would be islamophobic.

>But would you be okay with him being able to refuse?

Yes. I'll just go to someone else.

Whoops replied to the wrong reply. Pls no bully.,

>The Serbs which have a ugly lesbo for president?
I told you they forgot to take out the trash.

Because white Southerners used to be mean to niggers and refuse them service in their restaurants and whatnot. So Congress passed the Civil Rights Act in 1964, which had a 'public accommodation' provision that said if your business is open to the public, you could not turn away or refuse service to anyone based on their race, religion, etc. (sexual orientation was not included in this law).

>t. Bosnian subhuman
Not a Bosnian, and, that is a lot of shit comming from a country filled with gypsies and Turks...

And no, morals have no place in trade. You are to serve everyone, because you dedicated your life to earning money, want to live by the hoax of morality? Live in a fucking cloister

>Grant gays and lesbians rights the rest of us don't have to control anyone they want by waving leftist propaganda around.

Homsexuality is perfectly natural and I don't mind people being gay.

But I will never understand those gays who wants to marry in a church, or demand that people who hate them make their cake. Why do you want to support an institution and business that hates you and your way of life? WHY? Give your money to someone else, damn it.

I love this thing.

>taqiyah
This is cringy. Taqiyah is a Shia thing and Shia musies are both low in number and total bros in the fight against the sunnis Arab trash.
And Ibadis use it too, ie the guys in Oman, a country never in any sort of shit.

Government services, like getting a license, applying for social security, getting a federal student loan, getting a business license etc etc...

Private services and businesses should be able to dictate who they serve. The business that doesn't discriminate will get more customers than the ones that do.

why the fuck should one party that obviously hates another be forced to do business with them?

if it's a private business then who the fuck cares?

the businesses that don't take any political stance will win out anyway, because they won't be pushing away paying customers

Because they passed a law in '64 to give those who aint got a little more, but it only goes so far.

>People with this mindset do not belong into the world of commerce and trade.

Yet this practice exists in many countries around the world and they're doing just fine.
As a matter of fact , some end up doing more money while discriminating. How ? Again , word of mouth...Let's say you have a family that doesn't want to be surrounded by people like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=fcjz41znkVI

Again , word of mouth..instead of losing clients , they'll gain more of them. Sometimes these types of decisions can be potentially good for businesses.

>don't worry, that's just the OTHER muslims
literally taqiyah kek

They raped their freedom when they forced them to make something they weren't comfortable making.

You see gays here are barley tolerated.
They dont breed, they dont contribute anything and they are disgrace.

Because religion/sexuality is a private matter, while a business is part of the public. A business should not have an opinion on these things. It should provide a service and do its job based on business transactions. A hundred dollar bill from a fag is equal in puchasing power to a hundred dollar bill from a priest.

>someone who despises you
Religion or sexuality should not be a valid reason to be despised. All men are equal and stuff.

It's fags looking to use the courts to bully Christians.

That's not even hyperbole. The gay plaintiff in this case literally drove to a bunch of different bakeries in Colorado, specifically looking for one who'd refuse him service so he could sue, before finally finding the baker and bakery at the heart of this Supreme Court case.

>All men are equal and stuff.
wow sexist

or you could just not force businesses to do business with people they hate and let the market sort itself out

I avoided a nig barber this week to go to an exclusively white one. Avoided the multiculti barber too. Both the white barber and the nig barber were out performing the multiculti unisex salon. Don't pretend you've never seen this.

It's called catering to your market.

Idunno, as a bisexual ive never felt discriminated against, and I live in an upper class white, christian republican town. Ive only ever been denied service once and it was because I wanted to have a special order from a Pizza shop for my boyfriend. And I don't really feel like its discrimination if im not the business owner. I walked into the shop and asked him to do something he couldnt do by the nature of his faith, I dont feel oppressed at all. I also don't want to be ran out of town and denied any sort of business if it isnt related to my sexuality, but gays are kinda retarded to make that analogy too cause I never see that happen. Anecdotally and statistically from what ive seen this argument seems pretty skewed towards gays forcing christians to do things directly in conflict of their faith, and saying "ITS OVER DRUMPF IS BUSTING US ALL UP WITH EVIL DISCRIMINATION IM GONNA NEED TO MOVE TO CANADA OR GET LYNCHED" the moment they get any sort of backlash.

but thats just my two cents.

Christians are somehow magically incapable of bullying gays?

He is simply being forced to do his job equally for all customers. He wouldn't refuse to make a cake for an interracial wedding because the bible frowns on such marriages, would he? Colorado law bans discrimination by virtue of sexuality and this is clearly it. If he wants to discriminate against gays he must restructure his business to not be open to the public.

Imagine being in a small town with only one store of a certain type and they say they refuse to serve gays. We had it out with ALL these issues in the 1950s and 1960s regarding race and bigots lost every time. Why do you expect this will be different? If there are laws prohibiting discrimination, you must follow them. Religion is not an excuse for specific harm.

In other words , those business/private owners...Don't actually "own" their business ?
Stupid fucking law...It basically means you have no freedom of association. Do all states have to follow this law or are their exceptions ?

That's where you are wrong bucko
In America, our rights are granted by God

Since I'm not a leaf, I got my car fixed without prepping a Chink.

The example with the mechanic involved a Christian being refused by a gay mechanic.

>if it's a private business then who the fuck cares?
The business is open to the public. Since fags are part of the public, they should be able to have transactions with that business like any other.

Sprinter vans are the tightest shit. But I might be biased as I drive one every day for work. I'm seriously more comfortable driving that van than my car.

>are their
"are there"...sorry

I feel like Gay isn't a religion, even though fags sure love to turn being gay into an identity to make up for their own short comings

I agree with you 100%. That law pretty much says your private business is not really yours. If I own it, why can't I turn away whoever I want?