Don't understand conservatives

I'll skip some of the things I don't get about conservatives. They tell me someone named God lives in the clouds, he created the universe, and like Santa Claus he will judge if you have been bad or good "after you die". But you don't die, you're still alive? Any how...

On another thread earlier, someone said people are getting married later "because of leftist ideology".

This shows the difference between conservatism and leftist ideology. Because leftist ideology believes people in the West are getting married later - because that's what the capitalists want. They don't want farmers or unskilled factory workers who can get started working at 18 and marry soon after and produce more workers. They want people to go to college so their productivity per hour goes up.

In a sense all of this is leftist ideology, if you consider liberalism leftist, which most conservatives do. Because the left has always considered liberalism as the ideology of capitalism. Conservative intellectuals call themselves classical liberals - they agree with the liberals in England and the USA circa the late 1700s.

Leftists are materialists, meaning we believe in the material world, somewhat knowable by the scientific method and logical deduction. We see ideology coming out of this real world, especially in terms of changes in the forces of production, and thus in the relations of production.

It's just very odd to see so many things blamed on leftist ideology. For my part, I don't blame anything of anything. I think the forces of production are continually changing under capitalism, as are relations of production. At some point the vanguard among those who work in production will lead the resistance against the heirs who control production. In the 1930s that was Detroit automobile factories, nowadays it would be in the tech industry, including the biotech companies.

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Marxism-Leninism will guide us!

Do not waste your time on here fellow comrade.

You cannot have thoughtful discussions with those that have fallen for a religious crutch on intellectualism.

This place is aren't echo-chamber, I've already tried to argue rationally with others on here but it is hopeless.

Stay safe bro.

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although i like some of mao's ideas i prefer plain old marxism-leninism

Kill yourself reactionary bootlicker. Go fellate Reagan's decaying corpse.

I hope you get shot you fucking reactionary cunt.

I personally like Marxist-communism views on religion, I've always believed that religion was developed to manipulate the masses, and spreads like a virus. Before we can reach socialism, we need to disintegrate religion through enforcing legislation that separates religion from politics, afterwards all public property, and eventually ban it.

Marx cknowledged that religion is a barrier to socialism, and I do believe that it needs to be exterminated through any means necessary. Although I'd accept a polytheistic, metaphorical state-religion such as paganism, being implemented throughout socialist states.

It would serve as cultural contributions, although it would be minimal.

commie go home.

Leftists don't like science or economics. Your argument is invalid

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Enjoy getting eaten alive by the jews again, they need a fresh carcass.

Eat shit and die communist swine

Since you say you are materialistic and believe in rational understanding of the world around you:

Humans are animals. If we study the human animal and its behavior, we see that it's a pack-animal. We name the packs "tribes", but it is from natures side, a pack-animal. For the human animal to live a life that resonates best with its own nature, and therefore give most joy and fullfilment, it needs to have a close pack that it cares about and works for, everyone doing their best to make sure this small, close-nit society works. Kind of like socialism, only in smaller groups. If anything you propose has to do with centralization of power or the destruction of natural packs, I will fight you. I understand my primal needs. I need a pack.

Primitive though process. I'm disappointed, I'd expect a European the be more knowledgeable about communism, but I guess my expectations should not be too high, especially considering that right-wing extremism is increasing there.

Marx never wrote about a time when Slavs would "perish in the revolutionary holocaust".

You can see how empty these people's ideas are - they just make things up.

It only works when they're within their own fake news echo chamber of lies.

>shitting on an ideology while upholding your own while providing no argument whatsoever for or against either
>le scientific atheist maymay
Wtf I hate liberty now

You're a burger. You can not know better. Your politics are left-liberals vs right-liberal. There's a bit of religiosity as a sideshow.

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a lot of humanity is driven by being better than their environments. humans stand out from every other organism on this planet because we became the best and most ruthless competition in the entire world. you can never extinguish this ambition in people.

yeah, the capitalists you keep bitching about are leftists and progressives.. your definition of capitalism has nothing to do with market forces (which is essential) and everything to do about structured power and programs, while ignoring the failed state you'll cause because you offer nothing to the collective you're proposing and all of you want to TAKE more from your collective than GIVE.

when i hear one marxist get excited about his communist utopia because he has so much he'd like to offer to his fellow man, i'll join you. I've met countless of them and they all just want to not work

Assuming this isn't b8.

Here's your problem.

You admit to massive gaps in your knowledge of elementary lessons of history, like the Bible which is the most read text in the Western world and critically important to understanding the history of it regardless of if you're a Christian or not.

You then presume expertise in national policy to the point of being able to make prophetic declarations of where its future is headed.

Son, if you haven't learned how to add, how do you expect how to land a rocket on the moon.

This can be over come humans are by diverse and think and act differently the thing about marx is that he understood that humans and work together much like some early tribes of humans some tribes shared the game they caught and they worked together. also some good examples of people working together was the paris commune.

>every single application has failed
>every single application has murdered millions

Why do you believe in an imaginary system that works despite every application killing millions and failing?

You criticize the religion of another without examining your own.

I also have a firm belief that the less words we use, the happier we will be. Communication should mostly be to show our feelings. Preferably by facial expressions and body-language.

Then we would get rid of this virus of complicated thoughts that do nothing but make our lives more complicated. We would get rid of Ideology all together.

Bingo. Communism's denial of biology is unscientific.

>hur dur my religion is Marxism! Whatever Marx says, must be true, even if it is internally contradictory, has the world's most abysmal record for economic well being, and is disavowed by literally alleconomists that aren't apologists for my religion!
>the rich people all have a singular class conscience!
>porky is stealing from you! You deserve ALL the profit, who cares if you did any of the planning or capital accumulation
>hur youre a nazi/porky if you don't want the government to take all of your wealth and use ((((democracy)))) or a dictatorial state to distribute it!
>hurr it's inevitable that the world will advance into a pist-scarcity economy under communism even though pist-scarcity is a priori impossible because humans will always compete for resources
>durr stupid right wingers, not following my 19th century cult religion
fuck off, goose-stepping welfare queens

>That memeball
But commies are against the monarchy. I'll never be a pretty princess if I have to work the fields every day

>you can never extinguish this ambition in people.

yeah you can, its called capitalism.

It is not something I WANT to overcome. I am very happy being a human animal. I don't want to BECOME anything. I want to BE.

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speak for yourself. lots of people have been motivated by capitalism to be the most productive people as possible.

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Why commies simpler refuse to see reality?

people are motivated by capitalism the same way a gun to the back of the head motivates one to move forward.

So communism is capitalism?

We don't deny biology, we want to make any possible changes, cultural or genetic, to establish the communist society: the most harmonious system conceivable.

God, I hate commie newspeak.
It's not even worth it for me to respond to this, you will never understand. You have the mind virus and the only cure is a bullet.

Have you experimented on yourself yet? I'd like to know your methods and results

>I've always believed that religion was developed to manipulate the masses, and spreads like a virus.
You could say the exact same thing about communism. The destruction of religion is just communism eliminating the competion and trying to secure the monopoly on "how to reach Utopia".

What is your iq. I want a timestamp on a measurement score. Because no way is it above 100

We will use technology to automatize the state using computerized planning of the whole socialist economy.

no one's going to kill you if you decide to not work under capitalism. you're not going to be rewarded very well but you're also not going to excel in your life either.
what happens if people decide to not work under communism?

Do you understand how automated processes even work?

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Fucking moron.
Using "gun to the head" metaphorically to berate capitalism, when you will literally have a gun to your head under communism.

>Leftists are materialists, meaning we believe in the material world, somewhat knowable by the scientific method and logical deduction.

Then how do you get past the fact that individuality and equality are mutually exclusive states of being, when your entire ideology is predicated on 'equal individuals'?
If I am an individual, unique from my point of view to me DNA, one-of-a-kind, then by default I am not equal to anything. Inequality is implied as an extension of our individuality. As long as individuality exists, I'm in a constant state of inequality.
It would be illogical to base a society on the notion of equality for individuals. It's a denial of a basic philosophic truth. Marxism tries to live a philosophic lie. It's doomed to fail from the start.

Leftists have their heart in the right place but always go about the wrong way of doing things.

They want everyone to not go without. A noble cause, but ultimately flawed and impossible to achieve equilibrium because what is provided to the needy requires contribution of the productive. Their vision requires the violation of fundamental laws in chemistry and physics, namely conservation of mass and the 2nd law of thermodynamics. A system that provides to the poor at the expense of the productive favors will inevitably place an increasing burden on the productive unless the poor somehow put energy back into the system. History has shown that overall, they can't and won't. Total entropy will never decrease without the poor putting an equal amount of work back. Thermodynamics 101. Conservation of mass is also violated because production of resources requires consumption of resources. When you have a class that perpetually consumes at a greater rate than production, resources will be depleted, as we see in Africa and other turd-world countries (

Hardly anyone on Sup Forums is actually a conservative.

>my outdated ideology is the future
No it isn't. You people are the dinosaurs of politics. Economic marxist's don't even understand how politics work nowadays.


The right has finally started to understand that the base does not determine the superstructure (at least not in a service economy). It's the other way around.

Cultural marxists understand this, that's why they try to influence culture, not economic policy. This is why cultural marxists are dangerous and economic marxists are a joke.

>humans stand out from every other organism on this planet because we became the best and most ruthless competition

It was only 10,000 years ago that any humans lived any way other than as communists, so this sounds rather silly. For tens of thousands of years everything was communist. 2000 years ago you could travel not far north of modern Stockholm and everyone lived as communists.

Only in the last 200 years was the average person touched at all by "competition". So the whole thing sounds rather silly. You look at how things are today and forget 200 years ago completely. It is not that long ago - 100 years ago my grandfather was filling out his World War I draft card.

So you wanna regress to an older way of life and call it progress?

>people are still taking these commies seriously even after these posts

>market forces

This is typical bourgeois ideas which never goes unchallenged in the corporate media. What the hell are "market forces"? In the USSR, markets existed where one could buy radishes with rubles. Just like in the US markets exist where one can buy radishes with dollars. What the hell is a "market force"? A meaningless phrase...

If you think everyone is biologically capable of an elite, or even moderate education, you're the most useful idiot in the gulag.

Also. God bless you.

As long as he's the one in power, yes.
That's the key thing to remember about Western communists: they all think they'll be elite Party members and not the masses of peasantry.

10,000 years ago the biggest and first person to bash your head in with a rock or could trick the most people to do it for them was the one who got to decide how things worked. 4,000 years ago civilizations were way more stratified than they were now. there was definitely competition before 200 years ago.

>You admit to massive gaps in your knowledge of elementary lessons of history, like the Bible

Uh, no, what I admit to is the stories in the bible about people who parted seas and had magic powers are nonsensical. I admit to thinking silly stories from 2000-3000 years ago are just a load of nonsense.

>implying communism is natural
>implying humans 10,000 years ago had no hierarchy
Do you ever get tired of people calling you out on your stupidity?

wrong, only equality as in classless. Our ideology maxim is: 'from each according to their ability. To each according to their need'.

>only equality as in classless
Still a philosophical impossiblity. There can be no equality of any kind as long as individuality exists. There will always be another class line drawn, whether it's party member vs non-party member, beauty vs ugly, smart vs dumb, strong vs weak. Its the nature of our reality.

>All conservatives believe in god
Didn't read the rest of your post because I assume it's full of more faulty assumptions.

>literally slavery
>that can't even support itself
I wonder if the hundreds of thousands who starved under Stalin and Mao thought they had their needs met.

The main distinction between left and right on economic matters which appears to be what you are talking about, is that the left believes they can design and centralize their way out of every problem.

The right does not believe in centralizing everything, either due to moral reasons or for more pragmatic ones such as the numerous failures of states attempting to operate large sections of the economy.

The main difference is the rights economics is Darwinian in that it removes failed organizations while the lefts does not.

So who's going to be the shekel master? Also pic related was what I meant re 'how' are you going to do it?

Do you have any Commie genetic engineering tricks to weed out the pesky capitalists but not hurt the Jews?

>They tell me someone named God lives in the clouds, he created the universe, and like Santa Claus he will judge if you have been bad or good "after you die"

this juvenile understanding of god is a perfect example of how idiotic commies are. fucking intellectual midgets.

>What the hell are "market forces"? In the USSR, markets existed where one could buy radishes with rubles. Just like in the US markets exist where one can buy radishes with dollars. What the hell is a "market force"? A meaningless phrase...
so now the ssr was true communism?

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>magic powers are nonsensical. I admit to thinking silly stories from
like the magical power to know if surplus was stolen or not?

You are talking absolute shit.
There was no communism ever you fucking moron. There have always been hierarchies.
The strongest and smartest have always controlled the resources.
The only thing in the natural world compareable to communism is ants. Pic related

>what the hell are "market forces"?
Spoken like a true commie

>>every single application has failed

Actually the application is economic transformation

from primitive communism to slavery
from slavery to feudalism
from feudalism to capitalism

the next transformation is from capitalism to socialism

You're correct in that attempts to transform from capitalism to socialism have been premature. Just like there were premature attempts to form capitalist bourgeois republics before Restoration movements crushed them.

Meaning in the early 19th century you could have said every single application of capitalist bourgeois republics had failed. You could say the exact same thing.

>can't get married and go to college right away
You can get married right after college or during college. How is that an argument?

I'm fully convinced that all commies are either LARPing as intellectuals/ their idea of a saint, or possess sinister motives that will never manifest to their benefit. In both cases they seem to be absolutely void of any reasoning whatsoever, but they seem to be ok at verbal regurgitation.

Why is communism always about controlling others? Control their religion. Control their buying habits. Control their thoughts. How can you see communism as something that will make a classless society, when the result of communism has always in fact been the opposite?

>primitive communism
Read the replies faggot, you have already been BTFO.

What if there's no regulations to guarantee monopoly's, where everyone can buy and sell whatever they want, is that the same capitalism or different?

In a communist system there's only a small choice of companies offering services because it's illegal to compete with them. Which results in today's style capitalism literally being rebranded as communism. We're already living in a communist system, the state produces the capital that apparently is the problem in the form of Fiat money.

Where do you stand on this?

Furthermore, why is every communist I know just a lazy failure who doesn't want to work? That's literally all they are. Conservatives and liberals both have some regular people at least.

>If anything you propose has to do with centralization of power or the destruction of natural packs, I will fight you. I understand my primal needs. I need a pack.

I see you are from Norway. It's odd talking about the centralization of power, since Norway joined NATO, an organization dedicated to tying its defenses to that of the USA, even in this post cold war times. Sweden and Finland never did this. An old comrade, now gone, Tron Ogrim fought against Norway being in NATO. Unknown to him, him and his ten hippie friends had NATO high command completely freaked out that they might organize a movement to pull Norway out of NATO, and years later Tron learned there were about a dozen agents assigned to each one of them.

But on that theme - power is being centralized every day. If the left takes over, it will be taking over a social system where power is completely centralized.

It's a day to day thing as opposed to left proposals. If workers fight to keep power decentralized, then the left would take over a world like that. If power is centralized, then the left takes over a system which centralized power.

The left will have to deal with the chessboard as it is 20 moves from now.

>from primitive communism to slavery
Imagine being this stupid
>in the early 19th century you could have said every single application of capitalist bourgeois republics had failed
False equivalence fallacy. Capitalism worked exactly as intended, the first obvious manifestation of this being the Industrial Revolution. I feel that arguing anymore with you would be cruel, so I'm just going to sage.

I am a non religious conservative. The values from Christianity are the correct values. However I do not practice worship.

However, I see the fall of the west due the abandoning of these values.

Communism is disgusting and doesn't work. If one day it is forced upon us, I will be involved in its corruption and use it against you. There are many like me.

Also not a jew but I will not accept being poor with the rest of the filthy commies.

>Then we would get rid of this virus of complicated thoughts

50,000 years ago, humans began painting caves, sculpting figurines etc. Many believe this is when modern speech started, e.g. other than the grunts a wolf pack might make.

So I think these complicated thoughts are an evolution from 50,000 years ago. I think communication is just a by-product of this mutation in the brain.

This is just a theory I believe, but it does have support in the scientific community. A lot, in some quarters.

>tfw commies in this thread right now are posting on technology created under capitalism
>the heart burn medication that fredrick the 400lb commie is taking exists and is widely available thanks to capitalism
Really makes you think

Goyim exist only to serve Jews as slaves. Goyim were only born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world. Only to serve the people of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They are only here to work. They will work, they will plow. They will reap. We will sit like effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.

>>hur dur my religion is Marxism! Whatever Marx says, must be true

Not really, we're not Christians.

> even if it is internally contradictory

like the capitalists demanding TARP taxpayer funded bank bailouts? Those kinds of internal contradictions. And TARP is one of the minor contradictions of capitalism.

> has the world's most abysmal record for economic well being

The Soviet Union did very well under Lenin and Stalin. As did China under Mao.

Khrushchev denounced Stalin and stopped investing heavily in capital. Note China called Khruschev a revisionist and broke with him soon after he did this. The USSR economy went to hell during and after Khruschev, while China's has done quite well.

> and is disavowed by literally alleconomists

that's like saying Protestant ministers declare God is real!

>>porky is stealing from you! You deserve ALL the profit, who cares if you did any of the planning or capital accumulation

Heirs do no planning. "Capital accumulation" is the profits piling up that heirs steal from those who create wealth - the workers. Fucking parasitic heirs. Plus plenty of lackey apologists for those parasites sucking off those of us who work and create wealth.

>>hurr it's inevitable that the world will advance into a pist-scarcity economy under communism even though pist-scarcity is a priori impossible because humans will always compete for resources

The whole world was communist 10,000 years ago. The past 10,000 years was an aberration off this norm.

>>durr stupid right wingers, not following my 19th century cult religion
>fuck off, goose-stepping welfare queens

The welfare queens are the heirs who do not work and their parasitic lackey bootlickers.

Communism is a Jewish ideology for the goyim and used to install themselves as parasite rulers. They promise paradise but in reality communism is a way for Jews to have their "2800 slaves"

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>what happens if people decide to not work under communism?

Under socialism "those who do not work, do not eat". If you refuse to work to grow food, or work to trade with those who grow food, then you don't eat. Of course, there will be benefits for the handicapped, elderly etc.

Under communism, robots will be doing the farm work, giving the food to self-driving cars and such. So if you don't want to work, no problem. Some people will probably be doing scientific experiments, creating art and so forth though.

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>"those who do not work, do not eat"
so just like capitalism?
>Under communism, robots will be doing the farm work....
and now the scifi starts

>your entire ideology is predicated on 'equal individuals'?

I'm not really sure what this means. If it means that workers will stop letting heirs expropriate the wealth workers create, and in that sense the worker and heir will then be equal, then yes, we believe in that equality.

I don't see what it has to do with your unique DNA.

(Actually you don't have a unique DNA, because mutations within cells in your body mean you have dozens of similar DNA's running around your body. Not much of a problem unless one of those mutations switches on the wrong amino acid and then cancer cells are racing through your body. You don't have one unique DNA).

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That is just a denial of reality.
This LITERALLY happened in the USSR, people forced to work with a gun to their head. (more often though it is was the prospect of torture or death instead of a gun)

No one in America is forced to work, you can do whatever you want as long as it sustains yourself.

>We don't deny biology, we want to make any possible changes
If your Ideology requires you to force billions of years of evolution, then it is a bad Ideology and CAN NOT work in practice.
People forcing other people to change is exactly what lead to the genocides in the USSR.

Even if functioning communism is the greatest system conceivable, the road there is not one humanity could ever take.
As changing human nature is quite literally impossible.

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Are there any working slave bots (robo goys) available yet?

That sounds okay for a population of 100 people. Not 320 million.

>mfw when the link between marxist ideology and totalitarianism has not only been firmly established, but actually detailed by Solzhenitsyn.
>So that if the sheer weight of it's constant failures weren't enough, there is actually someone to hold your hand through the analytical process.
>mfw nu males still support communism simply because they would rather use their brains to amass evidence to justify their child-like morality than actually learn about why their systems invariably fail.