Admit it he was right about everything. Just read the book

Admit it he was right about everything. Just read the book.

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How do you expect me to believe you actually read books when your grammar is so poor?

you mean the book that was mostly authored and published and understood by engels?

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>(((the book)))

I remember when I was 18 too.

Lol read it, now tearing the pages out and using them as toilet paper. Much better use of that piece of shit.

How can anybody look at the history of Europe and think this?

So tired of Bolsheviks. That dangerous combination of idiot and asshole.

Kike.

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Fuck your bait, sage

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.
This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ....”
mikhail bakunin

I did. He's a fucking moron that rambles on. He wasn't right about a single thing.
Fucking dumb NEET kike.

sage

I have and he wasn't. The proof is in the pudding, or uhmm the lack of pudding, death, ethnic cleansing, gulags and widespread starvation. The fact of the matter is that the uprising of the working classes never happened, because as it turns out the guy who can't figure out how to shave, also didn't see the huge technological advances coming. Also, people don't seem to get that the key issue is centralization, if you centralize power and control, you attract some seriously fucked up people to that position, or maybe centralizing power to one person, or group, makes them become fucked up. All LARPing aside, communism is unstable, decentralizing power is the only way, no-shave man was totally wrong I am afraid. The same people who run multi-nationals will end up as high level party members, doing the same shit, just worse, as the history of, well every communist nation has proven, USSR, Mao's China, North Korea, Pol Pot, etc. C'mon man, just fucking get it already, go read the Gulag Archipelago, Animal Farm, 1984, and on and on. Religion is the opium of the masses? Communism is the crystal meth of deluded academics and middle-class teenagers, go figure.

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Even in sociology class (which is the most commie class on earth around here) they talk about how he failed. So please fuck off, commie.
Someone give him a free heliocopter ride.

Way to open a debate. Jesus

He was right about how capitalism functions and exploits people (which is most of the book if you read Das Kapital), he was wrong on suggestions of how to fix it

fuck off shlomo

listen to stanley

The loser who lived off his roommate Engels? Right...

lol nope

Former marxist, turned right wing nationalist here. Not shitposting, I actually made r/luxemberism. AMA i guess

People are trash, generally, and without some hierarchy, they cant be kept in check, they cant be made to be productive.

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>reading outdated books from 19 century

"so progressive"

better read the telefonbook instead of his bullshit faggotery "book".

Admit it he was wrong about everything.
>Not reading Proudhon, Baukunin

Is my picture accurate in your opinion?

Using a piece of shit to clean the shit. Good Job

It is quite correct. The whole "social contradictions" nonsense is marxism's biggest ideological handicap

This picture is also spot on with cultural marxism. Most people dont know how real and penetrating it really is.

This book?

His theory of labor value is inaccurate.
He claims there is an objective value of labor, when in reality, the value of labor is subjective to the individual.
Everything in the book, that comes after this mistake is subject to expressing the original misunderstanding.

a NEET jew, funded by a spoiled inheritance boy
devised a theory stating that the conflicts of society will cease to exist if ownership of production capability turns public (read state owned) As if somehow manifacturing alone can maintain a high level of comfort and wealth. He blatantly disregards the motivation to work and the social pressure to better one self. Assuming bureaucrats will do better jobs than visionaries and entrepreneurs.

Multitude of countries all across the world tried to apply his theories only to have rapid industrialization that did not have the drive to better itself and eventually lagged behind compared to other capitalist societies.


all in all, his theories in practice shown academic ideas can be just as destructive as religious ones

Marx actually said that labour itself has value, not that it has an objective set value. Like saying that the sky has color. It will always have color, but it changes.

which one, the prophetic manifesto or the ones nobody actually reads?

Thanks. What are the most common reasons that people abandon Marxism?

>right about everything

You are right OP... It worked out just fine for Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba and Cambodia. Poverty should not be feared of, it should be embraced so the man returns to the realm of his nature. We are animals and nothing more, anyone trying to be progressive should be hanged and shot in the back of their heads. Lets make the dream come true

>false equivelancy
There is no value to labor unless the individual places value in it. The assumption that all individuals put value in labor is incorrect.

Well, I would say it is simply due to experience with people. In modern schools, they teach that all are equal and worthy of aquaintence, and extrapolating that, the only ideology that makes sense is marxism.

but you move on in life and realize half of all people, at least, are marginally intelligent enough to sustain themselves, let alone work for a complicated and tiresome political goal.

For instance, Antifa will preach anarchism, a non-hierarchic system of mutual cooperation, then in the same night bash innocent skulls and destroy productive property. They are literally not good enough for the ideas they hold dear.

Labour in a market, requires that some value be spent, for whatever the labourer might be doing. Labour has a quantifiable value, regardless of whatever individual you want to name in your analogy.

If i eat a slice of bread i spent 2 cents on, and spend those calories working to make a product worth five cents, that product has at least 2 cents of labour in its cost to make it.

Considering, as stated by Jonathan Bowden, that politically minded people are more alike even when they disagree than to apolitical normies, do ex-Marxists follow any pattern in where they land. I know Neoconservatism was largely the result of ex-Trotskyits, but how many go elsewhere?

blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2012/04/good_piece_on_the_trotskyite_r.html
archive.is/HmwMr

You are misunderstanding me on philosophical level.
Do NEETs put value in their labor?
It would seem they don't. To them labor is a form of slavery for example. They don't believe laboring has any real value.
That means that not everyone shares Marx's point of view, that there is value in labor. His idea isn't universal. It leaves out segment of the population who disagree with the assumption of labor value, making it the whole theory provably false from certain points of view.

I knew one ex-marxist who just ended up as a progressive.

The rest of the leftists i found myself surrounded with were sjw type pushovers, who just wanted to bully others into not using the word "fag". I have yet to meet a real marxist who has ended up as redpilled as I on things like tradition and the JQ

How many of them actually know anything about Marxism?

Well yes in that way you are correct, but the point is that these neets are sucking labour from somewhere to sustain their existance.

Looking at NEET's is much too specific though. The analagies I lay out are for understand macroeconomics. Marxism was always a macroeconomic idea.

This individual i refer to was able to talk Das Kapital toe to toe with me. He understood the Labour theory of value, and the frankfurt school, and stalinism and leninism.

Ultimately i think he got sucked into stupidity.

The rest of the leftists knew that marx was a communist, and that communism was like socialism and that socialism was good.

this is my last post
>but the point is that these neets are sucking labour from somewhere to sustain their existance.
You are applying your point of view on labor to someone else. You are failing to see from any point of view that doesn't include your definition of labor value. Just like Marx and his followers, you believe your beliefs onlabor value are superior to someone else's and should be forced upon them. This approach doesn't solve any problems. It only creates more, hence the failure of the ideology and economic system pretty much everytime it's been tried.

You still do not get it then. That's fine.

Ex-marxist here
I kept the anti-capitalist part, and toned down the egalitarian one
No good umbrella under which I can label myself so I just focus on studying science

I understand your point of view. I disagree with it,but I understand it.
You have yet to understand mine. There is no way we can come to a compromise if you don't see it another way.

That's funny because /leftypol/ shits a brick if someone brings up the Frankfurt School. Do you have any thoughts on /leftypol/?

Look, whether you exist in a super advanced borg hyper reality, or rub sticks in the words, human activity, labour, must be done to do anything, and doing anything costs, whether you view labour as a waste or as the pinnacle of human existence.

Saying "People do things" is the same as saying "labour has value"

Admit it he was right about everything. Just read the book.

We need people to make the trains run on time so there's no shame in focusing on something besides politics. As an ex-Marxist you might know something. Are there any businesses or wealthy people that lean nationalist in France? Also are there any good political concepts that exist in the Francophone community that us Burgers never hear?

I read Mein Fampf, he was wrong.

Leftypol communicated with me often back in my r/luxemburgism days. They have a wild inferiority complex about Sup Forums. They claim to not be identitarians, while the leftists on reddit freely admit it. They are not good at bantz. They do not present their ideas in a way that is palatable. I stuck to reddit mostly when i was a marxist.

If they would give up on the broken shit, like marxism, and went to lesser known leftist ideas, like primitivism, they would do better.

>that fucking filename

He admitted he was going to hell. That pretty much settles what his intents were.

Labor is a means to an end, but there is no inherent economic value to my labor. I can choose to put economic value on it, just like you. And you can choose to share your economic value with me. But to say there is inherent economic value to all labor is not only absurd, but is the fundamental mistake Marx made on labor theory.

I've noticed that they are incredibly dogmatic and just have to ban anyone who isn't a dialectical materialist. Obscure ideologies are usually pretty interesting. I for one view a return to Feudalism after automation figures out how to operate without us.

Another thing about leftypol is that they are much less subjectivist, IME. Reddit seems to be much more
>prove fucking toddlers is wrong

No he means Das Kapital you fucking retard

you cant steal money from the future
you are either actively stealing it (fraud taxes inflation) or you have brainwashed yourself into the existence of "future theft"

Can you elaborate?

you mean that book that makes claims and to prove the claims it references itself?
weeeeeeee

Way to hop in the middle of a conversation you dont know anything about. Take your slackjaw jargin and
>Private security firms that are totally not states
elsewhere.

I'v read enough of Solzhenitsyn to know that he is not right.

No.

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you can't opt out of a State, you can opt out of a contract with a company.

Reddit is always worse I guess.

So my personal, half-baked idea goes like this. Automation is growing exponentially so the issue is when, not if your job, will be automated. Automated businesses will deprive the masses of wages by replacing the laborer, leading to a fall in consumer demand. Automated businesses will likely respond to a decline in consumer demand by switching from the business-to-consumer (B2C) to the business-to-business (B2B) model. This would leave most people not merely poor, but simply non-participants in the economy. A parallel human economy would arise organically along communitarian lines, likely resembling semi-Feudalist organizations limited to about 150 people (Dunbar's number in size). Whether the forces of automation would seize the nation-state governments and ownership of businesses I think could go either way.

For a second pretend all modern states were private.

You dont want to live in the one you currently do, so you have these options

>hide innawoods(tresspassing)
>move to another private state and pay taxes, i mean, rent there
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profit?
see how it quickly falls apart.

To be frank, France and its people are chauvinistic as fuck, we are not globalist anglos
As a result there is a slightly schizophrenic work culture where you are expected to act and think like a perfect frenchie but manage to be international at the same time. In practice, people just painfully spit out a few sentences of broken english and call it a day, so I'd say the majority of our businesses are nationalistic : cosmetics, fashion and luxury all make a claim of french identity and craftmanship
That being said, I suggest you look at things like country products : oil (Puget), sausages (Bridou) and others

Regarding concepts, we have been your copycat for the past 70 years (especially regarding identity politics) and it's not changing a bit, our politicians are pretty much sold out to the EU or mega corps. Disgruntled people usually take refuge in regional cultures, that are kinda stifled but can be a safe haven if one is looking for an authentic expression of identity

I think that could happen. We already see that already, kind of.

I would like to see a wild warlike humanity drifting around space with hyper-available resources and technology. Conflict gives life purpose.

what was that, babby's first thought experiment?

how does that argue for moral superiority of the State?

A state is a state, private or public. You cant whine the state away like a nigger. You cant blame the state for your personal failings like a nigger. A state is not just a conduit for moralist laws like you stupid scum like to pretend.

Thanks. Good luck with the great replacement. I've heard Breton identity in particular is on the rise.

youtube.com/watch?v=oA13akwRFBc

I think you would really enjoy what William S. Lind writes about Fourth Generation War. Basically he argues we are entering a pre-Westphalian order again where non-state actors fight for a variety of reasons. This differs from just being an insurgency because some violent non-state actors don't seek to overthrow the state, but disregard the state paradigm entirely. He also talks about war being a result of human identity moreso than just politics.

Fifth political theory is similar in that it advocates White tribalism. That being that racially aware Whites assert a tribal identity and focus on that rather than electoral success. Basically White nationalism for White nationalists only.

Neither of them really consider the effects of automation. States largely have abdicated their duties so other forces seek to replace them.

Karl Marx is responsible for more than 100 million deaths.

>Fourth Generation War.
So the idea is that society altogether is moving away from states, and war is the first aspect?

>A state is a state, private or public

try telling the State officials that your apartment is a State, tell me how that goes

>You cant whine the state away like a nigger.

I can try

>You cant blame the state for your personal failings like a nigger

I'm an attorney working for a law firm in downtown Prague.

>A state is not just a conduit for moralist laws like you stupid scum like to pretend.

by definition it can't be.

If you were here you wouldn't buy the replacement shtick
I'm an immigrant myself and this place is pretty ruthless with them, those who somehow succeed need to be frencher than the french, and those who can't just end up as the bottom of the barrel where various waves of italian, spanish and tons other ethnicities congregated for the past centuries
If anything, I unironically think social media and pop-culture are a bigger threat than immigration

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Just gonna throw in my 2 cents here. The labor theory of value is based upon an average socially agreed upon value. Although some people may not value the labor, enough people value it for it to have a market price. Something like a piece of clothing will have value to almost all people since just about everybody wears clothes. Then given a piece of clothing, which we assume has SOME value, the actual price of that piece of clothing compared with other pieces of clothing and other valuable items in the market will differ based on the average necessary amount of human labor put into that piece of clothing. This is the labor theory of value as I see it.

I think your point of view is somewhat narrowminded and overly detailed. I feel its important to keep in mind that marx was using this idea, which is a sweeping generalization, to create a framework to understand capitalism. He didn't mean for it to be an ironclad rule of nature. The marketplace is messy and unpredictable, so being able to come up with somethign as relatively steady and unifying as the labor theory of value is commendable on Marx's part, and is arguably a powerful tool one can use to analyze and understand the market.

Why don't use seize (gargle) my means of production (penis) faggot

I have he was retard. sage.

>try telling the State officials that your apartment is a State, tell me how that goes

In an ancap world with private states, they are still states.

>I'm an attorney working for a law firm in downtown Prague.

Well then you differ from most bumbling kikes, like molyneaux who shovel your shit ideology for a living, and blame the state for their failures.

Absolute shit read it and picked up some Plato and Nietzsche after to calm myself down from the utter tripe i had just read.

>The Politics of Jealousy

Only brainwashed conservatives and undercover neo-nazis disagree he was right.

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JUST GIVE UP YOUR GUNS HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR YOU GET AN APARTMENT HUURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Nigger, Bohm-Bowark showed that the Marxian transformation problem doesn't work 2 years after it was published.
If you seriously think Marxian theory is functional then you're a retard.
t. Econfag

Reading is for faggots.

Pretty much.

LLETTTSS GET RIDD OF BANKSS AHAHAHA

If you use any of these arguments you are wrong and uneducated. Think before you say:
>Stalin was Communist
>North Korea is Communist
>Cuba was a failure
>Communism is against human nature
>Communism is a failure
>Communism led to genocide
>Khmer Rogue was a failure
>Neoliberals = leftists

If you use any of these arguments you are wrong and uneducated. Think before you say:
>Stalin was Communist
>North Korea is Communist
>Cuba was a failure
>Communism is against human nature
>Communism is a failure
>Communism led to genocide (Genocide = mass murder directed against an ethnic group)
>Khmer Rogue was a failure
>Neoliberals = leftists

Tell me why it never works

Pretty much. The wealthy already exist without a state. They have gated neighborhoods, private schools, private security, arbitration, and the ability to easily pick up and move. The existence of each of these things diminish the legitimacy of the state by questioning its purpose. States refuse to enforce their laws leading to vigilantes picking up the slack, think of the Minutemen at the border and the security at Alt-Right speeches. Any sort of economic crisis compounds this trend. War is the particular interest of William S. Lind so he focuses on it.

>If anything, I unironically think social media and pop-culture are a bigger threat than immigration

Please elaborate on this. I agree that they're bad, but how do they threaten the system?

If you use any arguments that prove us wrong your a retard? That is your argument?

They are all wrong and inaccurate. Go to college.

I have.....twice.

According to dialectical materialism you're right. According to reality you're wrong.

Because it was never actually fully implemented. People greed for power came in the way.

This kids live in a fantasy world, it can not work ever.