"The state is the ultimate nigger because it puts a gun to everyone's head and acts like it dindu nuffin" - Murray Rothbard
This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism. This includes (but is not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, agorism and right-wing reactionary-ism against the left (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us.
Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.
Although questions are welcome, most of them have already been answered many times, so it is recommended you get to grip with the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to argue with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
THREAD RESOURCES:
>Pastebin: pastebin.com
>Website: libertarianright.org
>Discord & Book Club: discord gg jCVRCR3
INTRODUCTION/REQUIRED READING:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - youtube.com
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - riosmauricio.com
>(Further Reading - See i.imgur.com
THREAD THEME:
>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Drop it like it's Hoppe - youtube.com
/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL
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First for guns fuck yeah
I dream of a society free of the asphalt Jew.
Grow up, manchild.
Yeah guys, grow up and larp like it's 1942 with us grown ass adults.
so who is the judge again in this society? if i kill someone and there is no clear evidence?
It's exactly the same in every other civil society, no evidenced, no crime.
Now what if I kill someone in you preferred society and there's zero evidence? Are you gonna come after me on a hunch?
im not saying there is zero evidence(in this case you get away with it)
im saying in many cases the investigation is not 100% clear and the judge decides if the perpetrator (or not) is punished
ANCAP TRAP HAREMS WHEN?!?!
>can't kill this without a contract
So there is evidence of a murder, but nothing tied to the suspect? Then there's no evidence. Is that a answer your question? Maybe give an exact hypothetical if not.
Fuck off faggot, we don't want your kind in this covenant you Brazilian/Canadian trap loving libertien.
Your victims next of kin or a DRO (Dispute Resolution Organization) of his choosing would present the case in a private court. If you went to the court to defend yourself, you would be punished if you were found guilty. If you stayed home, you would be tried in absentia. You would probably be literally dragged to court so you could defeat the case built against you in your absence. Whether you succeeded or not, you would carry the costs of this shortened re-trial.
At least, that's how I would organize it. I think this idea is straightforward enough that it would become pretty common, though. Alternatively, the court might just deliver the full punishment whether you defended yourself or not. If that sounds like shit to you, then it probably does to everyone else. Who wants a trigger-happy court like that?
No "Ethics of Liberty", or "For a New Liberty"? I'm appalled!
>promoting usury and the Shylock view of money
i just say that there will be a necessity of judges in grudges between people i mean for example
what if someone tries to mug me i shoot him and a third person only sees me shooting him would they be inclined to shoot me in this kind of society?
>Loosely quoting Marx
Your trash, and probably fake news as well.
> does causing butthurt on a Sup Forums thread constitute breach of NAP?
> y somos travestis, marica
Hoppe spoke against vigilantism because it would incur more costs for insurers.
It does on /lrg/ intellectual property. I saw your post where you swore to spam /lrg/ until we had a discussion about trannies. It's not gonna happen faggot. Get lost.
That was more of a call to the world than a declaration of a flame war. A perfectly viable institution is being neglected in an otherwise hypothetical discussion, and we must not waver in reaping the potential benefits of anarcho-capitalism. I see every post as being its own property; the Internet is a commonwealth, after all.
>prove the intellectual aggression
Fuck off, I don't have to debate scum so below myself such as you. Go away, stop posting your filth.
What part of no faggotry do you not understand, degenerate scum?
>McBombshell incoming
How many out of 10 girls in Brasil have a dick?
get out, so to speak
That's a good question... most likely a higher ratio than horsefuckers there. That's something I wouldn't even entertain in my stables, I can't see how any woman could consent to a contract to do that business.
As for me, I'm a landlord of simple and lacy tastes.
So hypothetically, If I would visit brasil and get drunk as fuck how high is the chance that I end up with a trap, later that night?
Duly noted, my polite friend. What institutions would you found on your land? Stores? Repair shops?
What should the age of consent be, if it exists, of course.
And what if someone buys all the territory and roads around my house and bans me from any travelling at all.
Lol, my bro plays total war games and did just that. He made them a trade ally. So I guess just be useful.
No public faggotry. If he keeps them in a dungeon, but in public only appears with his loyal wife, and never discusses it, there's no issue.
Age of consent will be by culture, like it is now.
>What should the age of consent be
The age when a person can make decisions on their own, here you count as an adult with 18, still girls can't decide for their own way past their 40s, while some depend their whole life on the state to make decisions for them.
Then, you will have to make an agreemant, or your security providers will negotiate if there is no result, it could end in a violent conflict, but at least it won'T end in a war like between states and is restricted locally.
Is libertarianism capable of doing what needs to be done in order to fix the West? It seems like you'd need fascism for some time before hand, especially considering how cucked libertarianism is when it comes to national borders.
If you wandered into certain parts of cities, fairly god chance. Just bring rubbers and a facemask to protect against devil's breath.
>just navigate THEM PEAKS swissbro :D
homestead like a mofo into undeveloped parts of his territory abutting yours, build an airport, use your resources to rent property outside the surrounders' property.
We're talking about harems friend, not extraterritorial visits. Of course the owner would put on a straight appearance as a dignitary in your place; the seraglios would only be for entertainment and inspiration inside the owners' borders. Advertisement (like I do), is accepted as capitalism, on the other hand.
Relying on politicians to fix things is what got us in this mess in the first place. Fascism is just wishful thinking that there's an easy way out. There isn't. If something's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Fascism is a natural reaction, just push a libertarian to the point when he starts fighting back, and the commies will hang.
But that is just a theory I am not a libertarian, but they are the only ones on the right I like.
>We're talking about harems friend, not extraterritorial visits. Of course the owner would put on a straight appearance as a dignitary in your place; the seraglios would only be for entertainment and inspiration inside the owners' borders. Advertisement (like I do), is accepted as capitalism, on the other hand.
You would not be welcome in a Hoppean society, unless you could find a way to be unrealistically subtle with your advertisements.
No, there is no need for "pro West" laws other than undoing the damage of leftism. Deport the terrorists and big government voting Mexicans, at that point ending the welfare state is the most pro white, pro family policy.
It's the truth that
Laws do not dictate morals, the statement of laws do not stop immoral people from acting immorally
and
Laws are not meant to protect people or enforce morality, they are meant to control people and protect property
Issues of morality should never be a matter of discussion for the state, as it is a matter of the individual to act morally. If people do not act morally, they should be removed as a moral action (this is the essence of the NAP). The burden of doing so is on all moral individuals.
I get your meaning, but fascism is government promotion of cultural unity.
In times of crisis, libertarian society would form groups that would probably have fascist like elements to them, but they'll not be funded by taxation.
This may seem like pedantry, but it is an important distinction.
>Laws do not dictate morals
Sad thing is, people in Europe actually believe this.
They justify even the most unmoral law with it is a law and therefor rightful.
Is the limit for advertising offending the feelings of those seeing the ads? (If so, I don't see the difference in that and leftist tactics, unless you can discern)
What type of subtlety are you talking about?
Neither are rhetorical questions by the way, this is a serious plan of mine.
I don't believe you have a serious conviction in you. Show me your geographic flag libertine.
>I get your meaning, but fascism is government promotion of cultural unity.
It is not, only mussolini made an political arm as he formed the party, early fascism was more a spiritual idealistic thing, while the first squadristi and other bonds were formed on the countryside to protect family and property from looting communists.
I am coming from the non political side that's why I don't need a state in fact the state forces degeneration.
I also struggled many years alone thinking of an economic system that is just human interaction, until I found out it already exists as capitalism, but I believed the socialist lies from other right wingers I knew at that time, that's why I said Libertarians are the ones I like the most on the right.
Tell you what, if you (and you alone) guess my flag correctly, I'll stop posting traps today. Don't worry, I abide by my promises.
I do have a serious conviction in being a patron to transexuals; this is due to real life experience with that side of things.
Aynone can tell me why those ancap/libertarian fagbook pages are so open border, that they even bash Eric July who really dindu nuffin?
I should know better than to play your games. But I have to assume you're the Brazilian who made older ancap trap memes.
Any libertarian/ancap web community other than /lrg/ is cucked by reason magazine and other globalist propaganda.
Funny thing is I first met you guys on radical agenda and assumed you all were like this, was pretty shocked when I found out about german libertarians, cucked to the bone muh weed muh gays etc etc.
But you guys on Sup Forums are pretty nice too, I come sometimes to your threads.
Unfortunately you're wrong, but since you are right that I'm not 100% white, I'll stop posting them anyway for today (can't exhaust all the good ones).
Traps are more than a meme, they can be mysteries (at least the chill ones that aren't ready to shave their bones, natural/pretty CD are better).
Many customers would go for it, I'm telling you.
Hoppean Libertarianism is best
Small state structured societies based on deep central values or race would be the best
Pure white, Weed smoker, Gay society, etc,
but if someone enters the community that is not allowed, ADIOS
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Make no mistake, the message we spread here is the real Libertarian message. Mises foundation is only slightly pc but still very honest, the rest are crypto leftists that must be destroyed. You can get a better understanding watching "Reich wing watch" Noam Chomsky videos of what Libertarians are before the garbage spewed in mainstream Libertarian communities.
sup fags
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>black and yellow
McRoad?
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>Gay society
Good luck with your society that can't reproduce.
Criiinge
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gay
begone
Hoppe is one of the most important authors to unite the right, pretty much agree with him on every point if I wouldn't have known before I had thought he was also a fascist and the best thing is since I read into him I can't stand any one of the right in my country anymore, because they are all socialists.
What about a artistically inclined, commercially libertine society? Neighbors that dislike its policies would only need to boycott such a society, and those that use its services can do so, facing censure of course.
Apologies, but TEST
I would not advocate it, and evidently it would last but if we trick all them to escape the evil hetero, white world, everyone else would crumble
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Anschluss gang
Within Hoppean thought, there could be fascist states, they would run into trouble if they wanted to conquer other states.. because of the NAP
Stop spamming Pablo, the Roads Trigger le ANCAPS XD meme is dead since last year
We need the equivalent of the Bolsheviks -> Marx but for Hoppe
curse you libertarians i'm going to convert you all into lollis to serve me in my army to convert more people into lolis exponentially just you wait. I'm also going to tax you.
Besides, such a variety of Hoppean states based on racial identity or credal purity would most likely exile non-consenting homosexuals and transexuals from their ranks, creating a "refugee crisis" of sorts and a potential economic force.
A state such as what I just proposed in would provide a humanitarian haven for them, an economic opportunity for them, and a chance to conduct viable commerce by selling the fruit of their patronage (sex, companionship, creative shit, etc).
Besides, they would understand the existence of hostile societies due to the nature of consent in the overall contract system, and they would have no mandate to fundamentally change the society leftist-style as consenters to it by contract; therefore, they would cause no problem to the landlord, as they'd only need to leave if the contract is amended to say their kind is not welcome.
fuck off anime fag, you'll do no such thing. plus im an adult already. get a job you hippie dipshit.
Come on taxcuck, you know you like my statist porn folder's contents
I know you're getting a chubby
That's what I always promoted before finding out about hoppe and know I am convinced that a free market and enforced property rights are the best way to bring europe back to it's former glory under the Kaiser.
As I said I wasted many years, because I believed the lies of the so called "right" here that I was always against capitalism, while promoting what in fact capitalism is.
Also the welfare state has to end as soon as possible, in austria the state even owns your organs if you don't request it and get an registration as non donor.
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don't care you're getting converted. I need somebody to build me roads i'm going to step on your sneks
>tfw private roads would make midnight touge racing legal but statecucks insist on being killjoys
>We need the equivalent of the Bolsheviks
How about just rightful people.
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If I'm a paleo-conservative like Pat Buchanan are you going to physically remove me (s2s)?
If so, based on what policies?
I think i remember you. anyway glad you embraced property rights. was it simply reading Hoppe that did it for you? how did you get to this point?
There's no way this is going to work without a fight.
Tax is NAPViolation. Agreeto no tax and you're alright.
you're probably culturally compatible with /lrg/ folks, long as you don't try and steal my shit we're good.
>full of potholes and sand
Hope you got a good roll cage
Evola inspired me the most, at that time I was around 18 braking up with the natsocs I knew because of his books.
And now I am here 10 years later coming together with libertarians.
sometimes you just have to fight the commie hordes if there is no other way.
Guess we'll need more taxes to fix them, spread your wallet little piggy
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didn't Evola say all kinds of bad shit about capitalism? I haven't read any of him, I only think this because shills post Evola anti-capitalist quotes alot.
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Let it happen