Are Persians white?

Are Persians white?

>Ismail was described by contemporaries as having a regal appearance, gentlemanly in quality and youthfulness. He also had a fair complexion and red hair. His appearance compared to other olive-skinned Persians

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some are maybe 5%

>asks if Persians are white
>uses a Azeri/Kurd/Pontic Greek as example
fuck off, alireza arabizadeh

Only those from the north.

Ismail was mixed as fuck you retarded faggot.

Fuck off back to your shithole Reza, you are NOT white.

What?

Ismail was an Azerbaijani, you filth

Are Azeris, Kurds and Pontic Greeks white?

Jesus this thread is worse than the snow niggers who think the ancient romans were nordic

About 3-7% of them are, so no. They have some truly gorgeous woman though, most beautiful girl I've ever dated was Pers*an.

yea, shame they lost to the Arabs in the 7th century
fucking wars with Byzantium weakened them too much
a strong zoroastrian Persia could have hold off the Arabs and at least South/South East Asia would have been spared from backward thinking muslims

>>is [entire nation] white because [insert one instance of w white person from said nation here] thread

I don't care about your Aryan cration myth every irianjan I've met IRL is a blackmyed and haired haired shitskin that is unidentifiable from a turk, and that speaks alot considering we have over 15 mio turks
Modern day Iranians are dirty shitskins
If Spaniards and Italians and Greeks aren't white by your idiotic criteria because they had Muslim invasions and are "rape babies" , irianians are literal nigger and rape rabies compared

Kys and sage

The guy was descendant from everything of Kurdish sufi mystics to Georgian/Greek emperors and Azeri Turkic warlords.

There is no arabic (F)ersian blood in his pure veins.

I understand now

No. They are not European. Hence, no white. To add, Slavs are not white. They are Eurasian.

dude in pic is a turk

You are an idiot. The Arabs are so incompetent, they couldn't even maintain rule for long.

You do realize Arabic language was in such shambles that Persians largely gave it its structure and precision (Sibawayh)? Also, you know the poetry, artwork, science during Golden Age, and etc. mostly came from us? Even Arabic historians acknowledged it.

Iranians never got Arab'ed, really. If anything, they got Turk'd, but not that much.

Also, when I say Turk'd, I am referring to the Turkic peoples of Central Asia who have very weak relation with Turks of Turkey.

Iranians have always been Caucasus people like Georgians, Armenians, and so forth. We cluster closely to them. We were never NW European.

If he looks like that pic then it would explain why the Irish are so often the sidekicks of the kikes.

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Are you retarded?

I was never speaking of Persians getting Arab'ed.
I was talking about how the loss to the Arabs in the 7th century made them a muslim country over a few generations
a zoroastrian Persia could be a Great Power nowadays , as a muslim country it is just another backward thinking random middle eastern state with a big population

Islam wasn't so bad until Greater Iran got rekt by the Mongols and Al-Ghazali's Orthodoxy grew more prevalent.

There was a time Iranians danced, drank wine, sang poetry, and were generally well off. Do you like Rumi? Hafez? Did you know Goethe adored Persian poetry.

You are simple-minded.

the Irish are descendants of the jewish Dan tribe

british-israel.ca/Dan.htm

...

They were, as they were once not subhuman arab filth

Even Nietzsche loved Hafiz, if I remember correctly.

Why don't you post actual artwork of Persians depicting themselves?

Also, Zoroastrians hated Christians more than Muslims do.

If Iran became Christian, I doubt any residues of its Zoroastrian tradition would exist. Heraclius even burned down our fire temples calling us heretics.

Fuck you NW Europeans. We are miles apart since the beginning of history. We share a common interest of purging the Jews and putting the Gulf Arabs in place -- that's all.

>Did you know Goethe adored Persian poetry.

Of course I do, thats why he is popular with intellectual muslims here, even some mosques are named after him
and yes, I know that persian poetry had a big impact on the whole region, I am well aware of the great Ferdowsi and his master piece, the "Shahnameh"

I just wish Persia would be still zoroastrian , that is all

No.

No. They got BLACKED by Arabs.

>Are Persians white?
Were long ago. Aren't anymore.

That's like me insulting your Christian tradition, which I have respect for like Meister Eckhart, and telling you guys to go back to Germanic paganism.

Regardless, religion is simply a social control tool. The Greeks had the right approach of being impartial and avoiding dogma when constructing epistemology, metaphysics, and ethics.

It all depends on what you define as White. We have always been genetically close to Caucasus people, not NW Europeans.

Look at pictures of Adyghe people. They look White, but are generally far from NW Europeans. Iranians are closer to them genetically than Europeans.

Quite white. I've heard it said that they are the original Aryans.

Ancient Persians were, a few still are, most succumbed to the darkness that overwhelms civilizations.

By that retarded logic then Gilaki's and Mazandarani's are white considering neither Arabs, Turks or Mongolians could invade their shitty little jungle and got their asses handed to them everytime they tried.

And they even got BLEACH'D by invading Vikings from Rus pillaging the caspian sea and their coastal villages.

BOTH ARE PUSHED BY (((TRS)))

ah good old Tabarestan
reminds me of my zoroastrian Bavandiyan playthrough in CKII and shia playthrough in EUIV

>And they even got BLEACH'D by invading Vikings from Rus pillaging the caspian sea and their coastal villages.
No, they traded. They never raped.

I read studies on that.

Iranians are Caucasus people. Only a few genes select for depigmentation, and Iranians in North of Mazandaran province, Kurdistan province, and Azerbaijan have historically been lighter on average.

Regardless, a light and dark-skinned are still very similar physiognomy wise.

>a light and dark-skinned
a light and dark-skinned Iranian*

>No, they traded. They never raped.
True, if anything they raped in England and France.
or got cute greek women for free as varangian guardsmen in Konstantinoupolis

My fully persian cousin married a brown fully persian man and their kids have blonde hair and blue eyes

Happened to my cousins too. Only a few genes select for depigmentation of skin. Race is not skin-deep.

This fucker escaped Suleiman everytime his land was invaded. Surely he was a w*ite subhuman coward.

WE WUZ KANGZ

ytou filthy Arab do you know wher arabs come from? Do you? They're half white shemites half BLACK NIGGER. BEASTS ALL YOU YOU. You faggots couldn't even dig a ditch to channel WATER after GHENGIS KAHN FUCKED YOU SO HARD FOR A THOUSAND GENERATIOSN

Persians aren't Arabs, and they came back stronger with the Safavid Empire. Did you know the Safavids helped Habsburg repel the Ottomans? If it weren't for Safavid Persian-Habsburg Alliance, then large portions of Europe would have been bulldowzed by the Ottomans.

But then again, you are just a stupid edgy teenager that doesn't know shit. Let Trump continue sucking Saudi dick, orchestrators of 9/11, as you point fingers at Persians who haven't done shit. All of these terrorist attacks on Western soil come from Sunni radicals.

You stupid burger piece of shit.

>hey this one time
>ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem
haha get ficked crybaby

Lol still in denile? You fuckers were WAAYY whiter before Arab/Islamic invasions. ANIMALS ALL OF YOU. GHENGIS KAHN WAS RIGHT

Uhm, my point is Persians have never really tried attacking the West and imposing the religion on them.

Look at the images I gave. Those are actual Sassanian pics of Persians depicting themselves. You're bull-headed, self-aggrandizing, and cannot listen to reason.

Here is another pic of Sassanids depicting themselves.

>whitey was never real
>Greece didn't know ancient Persions

>slave races weren't real
Familiar with the immortals user? Do know why they were called that?

And this user went even FARTHER than me on Persia's whiteness. Did you know that India was indeed once white? The caste system was invented to keep whites from breeding with the current Pajeets. It didn't last but it's true

From these Sassanian era artifacts, I think this image is somewhat accurate is showing what Persians looked like -- and what many still look like.

>whitey was never real
What's with that strawman? I'm saying Persians are genetically closer to Caucasus people than NW Europeans:
It's true that the Sarmatians / Scythians are genetically close to Poles, Ukrainians, or maybe Croats though.

There were different Iranian tribes. Iranian is an ethnolinguistic category that refers to many extant peoples like Persians, Kurds, etc. and also groups that merges into new ones or vanished like Soghdians.

Prove me wrong faggot. At the very most you can argue that you had a slave-race caste system like the Chinese and the Indians but nothing more

Did you know that China's earliest Emperors had RED HAIR and were from the west, described as having white man's features? Loooonngg Ago Faaar in the east there wer WHITE MEN

Not most Chinese emperors only some and long ago.

>Sarmatians / Scythians are
Sarmatians / Scythians were*

Quick note: that average IQ score is false and based off estimations derived from neighboring nations. An IQ test on Iran hasn't been done since the 50s, which was in poor rural areas.

In regards to that image, that guy is wrong. The reason Iranians are Whiter in the North, on average, is due to the climate (with only few genes selecting depigmentation) and also mixing with Georgians, Armenians, and etc. They were all a part of our empire once.

I mean this obsession with skin-tone is quite odd. There is more to race than that.

You're the one WE WUZZING, man... Nordicism is bullshit.

Listen, NW Europeans are very accomplished and great peoples, especially during Enlightenment era, but you guys had shit to do with Egypt, Persia/Iran, or China.

PLebbit AChmeds, we can never just get enough of you subhumans (and yes we really do mean it) FAGGOT, if there were white

nto a nordicists, they were whites, and I said SOME not ALL in their earliest AGES

>pic
>talking about NW-Iran and Tabriz being whiter than other areas
That's cause those areas are home to majority Iranian-Azerbaijanis, like the guy in OP's pic and they are literal caucasus mountain gypsies, aka Georgians.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijanis#Genetics
>The latest comparative study (2013) on the complete mitochondrial DNA diversity in Iranians has indicated that Iranian Azeris are more related to the people of Georgia, than they are to other Iranians, as well as to Armenians. However the same multidimensional scaling plot shows that Azeris from the Caucasus, despite their supposed common origin with Iranian Azeris, cluster closer with other Iranians (e.g. Persians, etc.) than they do with Iranian Azeris.[135]
Georgians: 1

brown (F)ersians: 0

Greeks and Hitler >>>>> Wikipedia

Persians were originally white, but they mixed with their Arab conquerors. Most of the great thinkers of the Islamic golden age were the purebred white Persian.

Modern purebreds are practically non-existent in Iran

Based Persian. Show the barbarians.

What the fuck? She could pass for italian.
How close we are to persians genetically?

I mean, I am a light-skinned Persian, but I do not want to Balkanize my nation with your outdated, retarded views.

I look pretty White, but I think you are an idiot and more like a kike in spirit. Eat shit, WE WUZZING faggot.

Egyptians, Persians, and Chinese had nothing to do with NW Europeans. Now fuck off.

The CHinese themselves said that in their earliest days that they had kings that ruled over them with Red hair. I didn't say that the Chinese were all white men, I said there were those who were, India on the other hand certainly had native whites, as their tales tell consistently, again Loong ago, before the Romans. Now if the Greeks consistently descirbe the persians as whtie as did persians themselves, and whites ranged from CHINA AND INDIA all the way to Spain you REALLY THINK that Persia had no native whites? Every civilization has had a whtie man ruling on the throne at a certain dynasty. EVERY ONE. Bagdahd was a city built by Persians lived within by Persians for a very long time, they had the worlds greatest plumbing system, but after Kahn, tey couldn't even MAKE DITCHES FOR WATER FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. You are Subhumans ALL OF YOU

why would they need to balkanize when your Supreme leader is a Georgian agen that controls the (F)ersian goyimt, Alireza Mohammedzadeh?

I told you that Sarmatians / Scythians were genetically close to Central Europeans. Persians did mix with Indo-Iranians of Sintashta culture who were closely related to Central Europeans, but this did not shift the genome that much as genetic studies showed. I can provide a study comparing a Persian of Teppe Hasanlu to modern Persians, showing how we relate more closely to them than Europeans.

Persians were originally people of Zagros mountains, like Kassites, who marginally mixed with Indo-Iranians of Sintashta culture who passed their culture down. People of Zagros mountains relate most closely to Caucasus mountain people.

One generation of mixing with nomads is not enough to change your entire gene pool.

>INDO
DIIIIISSSCREDDIITED PLEBBIT DETECTED. Calling someone Non-white was the GREATEST INSULT IN GREECE. AND YET TEY HATED PERSIANS AND CALLED THEM WHITE

No they look like Indians but like 10% whiter

Here's the study I am referring to. I marked it for you.

science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full

Does it really matter? We'll soon all be a shade of being.

*Beige

We're all human, just one shade of being.

>What the fuck? She could pass for italian.
How close we are to persians genetically?
PCA Autosomal DNA plots are the best proxy to determine race and genetic distance. Check image. The light green are Caucasus people like Ayghei, which Iranians and Anatolian Turks relate closely to.
Stop the trolling, man. Indo-Iranians of Sintashta culture refers to a group of people that spread to Northern India and parts of Iran.

Race does exist, but I think PCA autosomal DNA plots are the best way to determine it, not based off skin tone.

>we were blacks see? This ONE guy has BLACK SKIN. SO Jewlius Caesar = STRONG BLACK MAN.

The genocide of the white race has not begun it has lasted for 6000 YEARS

How does it feel to be one of the last generations of white people?

There's more to National Socialism besides jerking off to your grandiose complexes.

There was more*

-- What you're doing now is just shitposting and saying nothing of substance.

POL IS ALWAYS RIGHT GO BACK TO PLEBBIT SUBHUMAN NIGGER SAND TURBAN

Pol does not have a single, cohesive voice, though there trends of certain beliefs.

Listen, blue had symbolic significance in Ancient Egyptian culture and others, and your Nordicism is very stupid. If you really believe most of Persian, Egyptian, and Chinese leaders of the past had blue eyes, then you, sir, are unbelievably retarded like a nigger.

Both race and class are important, but you are of the lowest common denominator of your race, low-class scum.

>though there
though there are*

I also gave you images of Persians depicting themselves on ancient artifacts. Do you see blue eyes there? You need to move beyond confirmation bias and learn how to do real research.

Persians and Indians that were white were not Nords. They were the sons of Cush son of Ham, Son of Noah. the nords are not the sons of Cush. And the Sons of Cush who lived in Persia were WHITE as all that proof I gave you shows that they lived there. And pol is always right. All of whom had blue EYES

Wtf, those Jew stories have no historical basis, retard. I already gave you a long explanation of the migration patterns based off modern research, which you couldn't comprehend because you're high and acting like an edgelord with these constant memes. The Nazis would probably hang you for being annoying.

Just focus on preserving your own peoples.

Pontic Greeks are, others aren't

Babylonians were also the sons of Cush son of Ham. Close relatives to the white Persians and Indians. Blue eyes, black hair or brown hair. Ivory skin

fuck off delusional faggot.

Go read a history book or something.

Sometimes even RED HAIR OY VEY. Many Sons of Shem within Babylon

(((History))) Books

((()))) Did you say? Sorry what's that. WHOS THIS GUY AGAIN? WIHTEY WHHIIIITTTEEEEYYY

Blue eyes =/= White you phaggot. Also why do you fucking idiots pretend that MEers cannot have blue eyes, literally the most retarded thing that is still posted here. Also why don't you post the 100 brown eyed depictions for every blue eyed person? Also why do you guys pretend that busts are 100% accurate representations of people in their respective civilizations?

If Sumerians were white why were middle easterners and southern Europeans building civilization from the ground up while Northern European 100% white super-human Aryans were nomad barbarians destroying civilizations in India?

>131709354
You're assuming Non whites are actually Human and can make civilization. Funny BLUE EYES = WHITE unless you are some Satan Possessed FREAK of nature

You need to post actual pictures of Persians depicting themselves, not Romantized depictions of what Europeans thought them to be. I am giving actual genetic studies and ancient artifacts showing what Persians looked like.

Look at how many Asians depict Mani or Jesus, as an example. They give them Asian features. It's not reliable to go off that when determining Mani or Jesus' phenotypes.

You look at the sources and decide if it's accurate.

>Romantized
romanticized*

...

>this is romanticizing

Azeris are racially close to Persians, Kurds, and etc. They just speak a Turkic language.

Blue Eyes Were A Sign From The Gods in Sumerian culture. Genetic studies do not back Sumerians having blue eyes on average, retard.

Stop WE WUZZING.

These men hailed originally from EASTERN TURKEY

>You're assuming Non whites are actually Human and can make civilization
Hard mode: all the civilizations I link will not only be 'non-white' but exclusively non-European
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthage
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

Now name me just ONE central or northern European civilization pre-medieval ages :^)

He had Greek ancestry though

Look familiar to this??
Even without blue eys cyou can stil be WHITE. And yet they had blue eyes EVERY historical account says that they all had blue eyes. Genetics is used all the time to abuse the truth and say taht phoencians were literal arabs according to Israeli scientists. You're going to trust (((THEM))) over History? Give me a break I refuse to believe that not any genetic study says taht they did not have blue eyes. You are lying out of your ass

Ok, I don't care.

I gave you ancient artifacts of Sassanian Persians depicting themselves here:
based off that, I argue Persians most likely looked like this:
I also gave genetic studies with the links.

That's all I am arguing.

>most likely looked like this: