UK rules to kill baby against loaded parents' wishes

>couple has baby that develops a serious health condition 8 weeks after birth
>experts say it's no use, there's no cure
>american doctor offers and experimental treatment
>they managed to raise £1.4million via crowdfunding
>couple managed to get 110,000+ signatures calling for the Prime Minister to release the baby from the hospital
>they try to battle the doctors in the court who want to pull the plug of the baby so bad
>UK judicial system ultimately forbids them from seeking experimental treatment in the US with their own money
>European Union courts are in total agreement with killing the baby

So today you can't even tell the government to fuck off and seek treatment elsewhere with your money. What's next, maybe they'll outlaw gathering funds to save those defective undesirables, and the parents will be jailed for thought crimes.

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As long as they're not using the NHS, the government can fuck right off.

Move along nothing to see here; This is what you get in a socialist system.

I wish they killed OP instead

It's because they are white, if it was a troop of refugee children they would have killed the fucking Prince himself to save their asses.

I find it astounding that the parents can't choose what to do with their children. I hope the parents receive their just vengeance.

Despite the chance of the treatment being successful the child will never have a quality of life worth having. It's going to be a cabbage regardless.

>white baby
Guaruntee this is the determining factor in the EU courts' decision.

Yes we've already had this thread.

The child had an incurable disease and was fucked beyond repair. The doctor offering treatment in the US didn't even know how severe the baby's condition was, treatment would not have worked.
Parents were just forcing the child to suffer because parents are irrational when it comes to children.

In future parents will fucking learn to give up on dead-end kids. Genetic diseases, retards, disabled, they're all going to have shitty lives, costing hundreds of thousands per year just to do nothing with their existence other than suffer and be cared for.

>£1.4million via crowdfunding
damn does it really cost that much money to try and save a little babies life.

What the absolute fuck is this bullshit?
I can understand government stepping in and overruling parents wishes if it's to SAVE the life of a child ie. parents refusing medical treatment because of religious reason, Largely because the child is also a citizen and the government must do what it can to protect it's citizens.

But actively fighting the parents when they are clearly acting in the child's best interests and trying to keep it alive? Absolute fucking lunacy.

Probably not. There's thousands of crowdfunding campaigns that exceed their goals and yet they never refund the excess.

EU courts: Support eugenics
Monkeys: Want the defective to breed

makes you hmmm

>But actively fighting the parents when they are clearly acting in the child's best interests and trying to keep it alive?
Again, the baby could not be cured. The doctor offering treatment in the US admits he didn't know how far gone the kid was, there was no hope of curing it even with experimental treatment. The parents were asking for the state to pay to keep their child alive and suffering while they arranged to travel to the US for a treatment that wouldn't work.

I've read about this story today already and then there was no pictures and i thought to myself "I bet the baby was white"
Color me surprise....
Fucking kike pieces of shit.

I don't know how much it costs, the ambulance, the plane with some medical shit, they'd have to pay a lot of money for some kind of ambulance-jet, wouldn't they? Then their stay in the US and then the experimental treatment.

>there's a very low chance something might work in a situation where all else is hopeless
>"Let's kill a baby instead."

This is why your country is a laughing stock and isn't going to be majority white by the end of the decade.

If you guys are so progressive why do you let Mudslimes reproduce en masse and take over your shit? Fuck yourself, Klaus.

This is why you never agree to give the government any more power than it has, you think you'll have some natsoc/facist utopia but they will always, ALWAYS fuck you over.

>Genetic diseases, retards, disabled, they're all going to have shitty lives, costing hundreds of thousands per year just to do nothing with their existence other than suffer and be cared for.

Are you talking about all the kids following the trans fad? Agreed, bullet to the head.

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Your proposal is exactly like what native tribes do, people who kill their kids coz tribe said its gud.

You only have a more sanitized way of doing essentially the same thing.

>there's a very low chance something might work in a situation where all else is hopeless
No. Literally no chance.
The law prohibits unecessary suffering, and guess what- demanding your vegetable child be kept on lifesupport while you waste a lifetime of money for a treatment that won't work because you forgot to inform the doctor that your child is too far gone to be cured because you're an irrational parent who can't into medicine- is considered unnecessary suffering

Sick statist opinion. Untreatable is untreatable until it isnt.

They took this to the EU court, they also ruled against the experimental treatment...

You don't quite seem to understand, it's a no hoper child, no chance of survival, the child is in pain and is suffering. The parents (understandably) are being selfish by keeping him alive for their own comfort which is why neutral bodies have ruled over them because they are clouded by their own emotions and not the well being of the child.

Moving him could kill him and then what?

So let's keep vegetables alive because the tribe says it's bad?
ggwp

Tyranny
Next stop FEMA

Today its no chance. Tomorrow its a 99.9% chance. Next week its shut the fuck up and pick up the fucking can, citizen.

There's no "we" in this though, it's their baby and not yours, and it's their money and not yours. Your argument would have more weight if they wanted taxpayers to fund their baby's life.

Why shouldn't that kid be killed? It's a genetic fuckup that will be nothing but a waste and a burden. Kill yourself huenigger.

It's a tough story. On the one hand you have a family that is willing to take charge of their own affairs and pay for treatmebt elsewhere, and on the other you have doctors and government who are "supposed" to be making decisions in the best interest of people.

So who is in the right? The doctors who we are supposed to trust to give expert level opinions on these issues? Or the family who will fight to the bitter end, no matter the chances, to save their son?

Speaking of vegetables, I think I'm talking to one. You have no spine.

>white baby
>Into the fucking oven, privileged scum

>brown baby
>muh Love Beats Hate

Yes, and so long as today is no chance unnecessary suffering will remain illegal.
They didn't rule against it because the treatment was experimental, they ruled against it because the parents were demanding the state preserve the life of a vegetable, causing it to suffer, so they could pop it on a jet (probably killing it in transit), for a treatment that we can say for certain would not have worked because the babies condition was so severe.
Maybe if they'd tried the treatment before things got so bad it would have been fine. But they didn't and it wasn't and irrational parents don't know what's good for their children.

Honestly giving the government that power is what really scares me

>should we trust the (((doctors))) who want to kill a white baby or a family who wants to pay for their own treatment at no cost to the government but isn't allowed to move their own baby
truly a puzzler

>Your argument would have more weight if they wanted taxpayers to fund their baby's life.
They literally did. It was tax payers money keeping the fucking baby alive and suffering that's why it was not their decision to end lifesupport.

If you pay in cash the procedures are much cheaper.

We have people use their insurance to pay for an hip replacement surgery and the overnight stay costs them like $13000 alone. But their insurance covers it.
But then we have foreigners from Japan who come in to have their surgeries and they pay upfront in cash and we don't charge them as much.

Doctors have a duty to prevent suffering and worsening of a condition. They cannot prevent the worsening of this condition. The little battery inside his cells that turn oxygen and other stuff into ATP are dying and this cannot be reversed by any known treatment. Even the experimental treatment has no success. So doctors go to the next step, prevent suffering, this child is in an immense amount of pain. Do you think someone with a terminal illness should suffer in pain? Even when radiation will not work and chemo will not work?

You would make that person suffer pain for your own amusement and needs? The parents could have avoided this shit show had they put their child first and accepted that death is inevitable in this case. Yes it's sad but you cannot replace the mitochondria inside every cell in the body, it cannot be done. He's literally rotting inside out.

Plenty of nig children die here because of sickle cell and no blood donors because the only blood blacks donate is the 8 pints of it on a street corner in Hackney.

Let's say you are right and there is no shot. Do you really want to give the government the power to decide life and death for innocence? I guess euros care less about individualism and freedom.

Regardless of whether that baby is going to die or not the government has no business stopping them from getting treatment elsewhere. How can you tell a couple who just went through nine months of prepping for that child that it's going to die and you need to give up? Thats beyond fucking cruel

Yes it does. Everyone working on the baby makes at least 40$/hr. Times 3 times people times the month the baby will be in the hospital. That's just labor. The medicine and supplemental care will make it go even higher

NHS m8.. Tax payers are funding his life, but that is irrelevant.

>Doctors want to kill
Not really lad.

>trying to keep your child alive is not knowing whats good for them
Try to examine the way you think. This is why the state shouldn't have power over this.

Why don't they switch to private healthcare or put the baby on their own life support machine?

The government didn't... The doctors didn't want the baby to suffer anymore and their medical opinion was to turn off life support, the parents didn't so it went to a court.

Then it went to the European Court. Jesus you Americans really need help with your tyrant complex problems. We must have really left a mark on you when we fucked you hard.

If I'm giving the government the responsibility to care for my dying baby then yep they decide when treatment is no longer viable.
If they'd have gone private then it would have been kept on life support as long as they had the cash to pay.

Brits are big into killing kids. They actually prosecuted two parents for taking their kid for a treatment for brain cancer in Czech that saved his life.

>we should let the (((state))) kill white babies

Natives aren't so retarded to keep useless trash laying around that's going to consume resources and never contribute. Why waste the effort on someone that'll be constantly suffering.

So just release the baby and let the family go elsewhere. Do you sign a contract when you enter a public hospital where your free will is no more and you can't even get out of a treatment? This is dictatorial.

People are free to kill their babies these days, nobody minds this, but when someone wants another opinion in the medical field, and paying with their own cash, suddenly the parents are monsters who are torturing their kid. Are the doctors some sort of gods or can we still go against their opinions?

this shit pisses me off really fucking bad, the state should have no power over this. It's a fucking joke when UK would sook over the USA killing convicted criminals but they kill an innocent kid against their parents will

Actually that was a case involving a mother that didn't want proton radiation used on her son and wanted herbs used but the father fought it and the court agreed with the father that the child should go and have the proton beam therapy.

You complete retard.

They have the cash.... The government is making a moral decision that the parents should be making. Freedom is hard britfam but it is the most important thing.

>keeping a dying suffering incurable vegetable alive no matter what cos "muh sanctity of life" is in the baby's best interest and not just appeasing my morality
Sure thing.

The child is already dead, that wasn't decided by the state, that was decided by his genetics.

Deal with it you sad fuck.

something people miss is that you have to research something to make it treatable and just killing people won't give you the information you need I think

With a sample study of only 16 known cases worldwide and a very short life span?

Yeah it's a bit hard m8.

Is this what a Death Panel looks like?

They wanted the kid on public funded life support, that's what they fought for in court. NHS doctors determined the kid was beyond saving and lifesupoort was just prolonging the inevitable and causing it pain in the process.
The parents demanded it be kept on NHS lifesupport and took it to court an lost.

Maybe you should tell the parents they should've gone private.

The government hasn't made any decision you retard. The court did and so did the EU court...

What are you not understanding?

Yeah even if it is a vego his parents get to decide as long as they can pay for it.

And it would be 17 if not for this.

>american doctor offers and experimental treatment
I bet this (((doctor))) just wanted his foreskin.

I had a back surgery 10 years ago that cost 85k, and the surgery was under an hour. The surgeon did them all day 2 days a week.

what would you say if the state said your teeth are too yellow so you die

I was born with a serious life threatening condition, my parents got that same bullshit when I was born. No chance at a decent quality of life, high chance i'd die before my first birthday etc.

Doctor's wrote me off completely and suggested to my parents that they should call a priest and they could "ease my suffering". My parents rejected that "offer" and decided to take me home and let what happens happen. 30 years later, I'm Married have a completely healthy kid a double degree in Business and Law and probably a higher quality of life than 99% of the people on the planet. As long as I keep my shirt on, people would have no idea what happened to me.

If the parents can raise the funds to keep the kid on life support and they actually want to keep the kid alive, the government should 100% let them. But socialists will always be cunts, which is why we must throw them from helicopters ASAP.

Same thing britfam no need to get ur jimmies russled

Sure, if they'd gone private, which they didn't. Again the court battle they just lost was to have it kept alive on publicly funded life support.

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don't want the state to allow your child to die? pay for it yourself

No, this is number 16.

Even if it causes more pain and suffering to the child?

Foreskin would be no good, none of his cells would be any good.

It wouldn't be the state that would make that call.

No it's not the same thing pham...

Dumb parents. Do you know how many refugees that money could fund?

Glad ur here aussiefam fuck all the naysayer nhilists

commies have always hated the white race with a vile hatred

WELL AT LEAST IT WAS FREE

It's easy to say in hindsight they shouldn't have used the socialized healthcare, but maybe they never imagined they'd have to fight the government just to keep their kid alive with their own money.

Do you have an option of not paying for socialized healthcare in the UK? Also that shit makes the private sector more expensive, they didn't always have a million pounds, they only got that after many people felt bad for their whole ordeal and donated to them.

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Call us when you invent the cure for it. And a real cure that actually works.

Cheers lad.

If yellow teeth were incurable fatal and I was demanding the state keep me alive as long as possible...

And look at you now, irrationally shitposting on Sup Forums about how because you survived against all odds the medical community is wrong about a child with a degenerative disease that the parents are demanding be kept alive by the state

Keeping him on life support until he gets the experimental treatment is entirely reasonable.

Is this that wonderful socialized heath-care I've been hearing about?

what the fuck

>in future parents will fucking learn to give up on dead-end kids
Nature will be restored to its cycle.

It's a small step from this to the EU deciding on suppressing old (but only white) people to increase the "happiness" of the community.

>Do you have an option of not paying for socialized healthcare in the UK?
Yes.

>but maybe they never imagined they'd have to fight the government
They aren't, they are fighting doctors that have an object interest of the child, not clouded by emotions.

> Also that shit makes the private sector more expensive
Actually the private healthcare here is cheaper because it's in competition with the NHS. So please.

yeah but if you couldn't afford to get your teeth whitened or veneered the UK government deems it a slight against the queen and you must be killed. Then you raised the money to get it done but the court said yeah no too late time to die yellow teeth cunt

>EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS
>British Rules
sure mate, keep saying that it's a good thing to stay in the EU.

>So today you can't even tell the government to fuck off and seek treatment elsewhere with your money. What's next, maybe they'll outlaw gathering funds to save those defective undesirables, and the parents will be jailed for thought crimes.
idk why are you so suprised - UK is still part of the seoviet union after all.

Happens all the time desu. Something like 33% of fetuses diagnosed with downs turn out perfectly healthy. There's probably been millions of healthy babies aborted by mistake.

>courts are not part of the government
they really did a number on you bongs jesus

>they never imagined they'd have to fight the government just to keep their kid alive with their own money.
Holy shit this isn't what happened.
They fought the legal system to keep their kid alive on state money.

Again:
THE COURT CASE WAS THEM DEMANDING THE STATE CONTINUE LIFESUPPORT. IF THEY COULD HAVE GONE PRIVATE IF THEY WANTED BUT INSTEAD THEY WANTED THE TAX PAYER TO COVER IT

>European court of human rights rules in favor of killing babies

Home Stoning for all when I am king!!!!!
It's cheap and effective!!!!

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The taxpayers were funding the baby's life until the parents wanted out of it and wanted to go to Amurica for treatment. Baby's out of the hospital = no more taxpayer money keeping the baby alive. Seems like logic to me.
Unless now using the NHS is grounds for the government to have total ownership over the patient including prohibition from seeking a second opinion with the family's funds, which is the case.

then why would they raise the money?

All courts with sense and objectivity that have weighed up both sides without being clouded by emotional blur would know that this child should be put out of its misery. I bet you're the same type of person that calls for downys to be aborted aren't you?

Do yellow teeth cause rapid cell death all over the body within the span of a few weeks?

Is there a known cure? Will said teeth cause unnecessary suffering and physical pain?

Of course not, the comparison you make is retarded. If it was a blastoma or hodgkins lymphoma then maybe but really?

Full retard Australia, fix your shit.

better than 0, and there are other cases that can give development with curing this one. I don't want people to be kept alive in a living hell just for experiment or anything though.

Not really. The medical opinion was treatment would not have worked. Even the doctor offering the treatment has said he was not aware the child's condition had gotten so bad and treatment would not have worked. The parents were demanding the state pay to continue lifesupport causing suffering to a lost cause.
Quite unreasonable actually.

Remember folks, socialists in the u.s. said there'd be no death panels.

>world famous children's hospital (GOSH) states there's no hope
>jewish american doctor raises family hopes whilst in reality there's no way to cure a baby with brain damage
>child can feel pain but can't even breathe on it's own
>jewish doctor causes them to drag on the pain and not let the child go to heaven

Wow I wonder who's behind this...

Well, what did you expect? Why would people that are ok with killing unborn babies care about a 8 week old baby? For them it's just a late abortion.

the baby wasn't baptized though.
now it's on the devils assisted breathing machine

Court my baby boy. Court, the government had no say in this.

"Independent Judiciary".

>The taxpayers were funding the baby's life until the parents wanted out of it and wanted to go to Amurica for treatment. Baby's out of the hospital = no more taxpayer money keeping the baby alive. Seems like logic to me.
Doctors have a duty of care, the parents sign that over when a doctor is in charge of the primary care of a patient. If something poses a risk to the child, will worsen the child, make them suffer then no, no they can't move that child out of the hospital because that doctor and the health care team have a duty of care to that child, not the parents emotions.

It is about the interests of that child, see unlike America, we don't steal our children's foreskins, we care only about them. If they are going to die and that death is certain? Most would agree that it would be better that the child didn't suffer pain. That it be over quickly. And you call us statist and evil for this? Fuck you.