That is a minimum wage of 1,725 USD per month.
Why does America not have a decent minimum wage law? Shouldn't work pay more than gibmees? Gibmees levels (Hartz IV) is 400 euro per month plus in-kind payments for heating and some rent. So gibmee levels are about half of what you can earn if you do a minimum wage job.
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Your nation is about to fall apart and the only thing you have to complain about is us?
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>Your nation is about to fall apart and the only thing you have to complain about is us?
Who is us? Your flag says "Confederate"? Confederate what?
My point was, why don't you folks incentivitze people to work by setting high minimum wages? We do. Also, this means we do not have to subsidize people who work with gibmees.
with taxes its 1100
>Who is us? Your flag says "Confederate"? Confederate what?
Ah yes, the Cambodian Confederates. Our greatest enemy.
cause were big dogs, who play by big dog rules.
Higher minimum wage leads to more unemployment. Basic economics, yurofag commie.
I guarantee the USA has less unemployment than your shithole of a country thanks to our semi-sane low minimum wage.
>My point was, why don't you folks incentivitze people to work by setting high minimum wages?
Not enough jobs, too many Mexicans.
Apart from being annoyed by refugees on the bus, this country is more grand than any part of the world. Unless we're takling Switzerland or Norway, some of the handful of countries that can compete with our living standards. Your country is not among them.
Because if you force an employer to employ someone at a certain price, it's not "work", it's servitude. That's the moral reason.
Also, because raising wages artificially reduces the demand for labor, creating unemployment and placing greater strain on welfare, requiring higher taxes and reducing economic growth. That's the practical reason.
>with taxes its 1100
So? In America you don't even have health insurance. In Germany those 150 euros for health and nursing insurance per month gets you all-inclusive insurance. Then there are 150 euros for pension insurance. Taxes are only 80 euros per month. It is a lot higher in the US.
Now, if you use the same calcs of 2 parents of 2 kids, both making minimum wage, you get a lot higher net income of the family in the 2600 euro range + gibmees of around 350 euros for the kids per month. 3000 euros net for a family of 4 is ok... especially considering both parents make minimum wage.
>United States economic growth in 2016 : 3% - 4%
>Germany's economic growth : 0.5 - 1%
The results of your failed policies are showing.
How many do things cost in Germany?
In the Sup Forums parallel universe, possibly.
We're thriving
I'll take posts that won't age well for $500 Alex
"We're thriving," the socialist said unironically while surrounded by 1% economic growth per year.
450 euro in Poland
>Because if you force an employer to employ someone at a certain price, it's not "work", it's servitude.
If an employer doesn't want to employ someone, he has the choice to say no. How is that servitude?
>Also, because raising wages artificially reduces the demand for labor, creating unemployment and placing greater strain on welfare, requiring higher taxes and reducing economic growth.
We introduced our minimum wage just a few years ago, and we now have record low unemployment not seen since the 1980s.
For 1500 euro per month, you can't even buy yourself a plastic bag to suffocate yourself with. You have to actually hold your breath long enough to die, because you're much better of simply killing yourself than existing further.
>US leaves NATO
>muh russia
>social programs collapse Europe as they're forced to increase military budgets
Any sources for that fat little amerishit boy
really though rice.baked beans, corn, green beans our burritos. i'm thinking burritos.
>>United States economic growth in 2016 : 3% - 4%
>>Germany's economic growth : 0.5 - 1%
I do not think so. Considering population growth in the US is so much higher, it is pretty strange our growth is on average just 0.5bp lower than the US.
Germany unemployment rate: 3.9%
USA unemployment rate: 4.7%
805€ here. We will catch you one day or we will die trying based German idols.
Who is paying for the minimum wage? What if those people decide to leave Germany and settle elsewhere? What will happen to the minimum wage then?
Well, that is why we got like 3 million Polskis around here, some of them whores.
I lived mainly on beans and rice for a couple of years. Worked out pretty good actually, although I had enough left over to work in some fruits, vegetables, and meat here and there.
>For 1500 euro per month, you can't even buy yourself a plastic bag to suffocate yourself with. You have to actually hold your breath long enough to die, because you're much better of simply killing yourself than existing further.
If that is true, why are all the Hartzers running around with new sneakers and a sixpack of beer?
$11/hr min wage in commie land? Whoop-dee-dooo
>employer can say no
And he does, which is why unemployment goes up when minimum wage does. The reason I bring up the servitude argument is because the only way to stop that in a socialist utopia is to compel people to hire others against their will. The logical terminus of socialism is always force, and the only way to avoid that is to employ half measures.
>record low unemployment
because your population is both skilled and shrinking. Education is pervasive is Germany, and the culture is one of productivity. There are fewer young people, and therefore demand for labor is high and grows higher as the population ages. None of these things are true in the US. There are subcultures here which disdain education and embrace crime and welfare. The population continues to grow both from births and from immigration, keeping labor supply high and demand low. This depresses wages.
There are more than single factors at work in the labor market, Hans.
Purhaps you should educate yourself on the formation of Saudi Arabia CDUnuch.
thx user.
>Who is paying for the minimum wage?
Employers.
> What if those people decide to leave Germany and settle elsewhere?
Good for them.
>What will happen to the minimum wage then?
People will get it who have jobs in Germany?
What are those questions?
Minimum wage is supposed to be temporary while you learn skills to get out and have a means of making more $$ and a better living. It's not supposed to be your primary source of income for the long term.
People who complain that min wage is too low are lazy fucking niggers and faggots. Get off your fucking ass and learn a skill that pays. Or take your min wage as it is and stfu.
>Well, that is why we got like 3 million Polskis around here, some of them whores.
>3M
it is more likely 2M, and since 2004 maybe 1.5M
but sure, don't mind our whores, they will vote for Schultz and diversity and more gibs
>$11/hr min wage in commie land?
38 hr work weeks... 5 weeks of paid vacation... 11 public holidays... no Saturday work... so it is more like 14 dollars an hour minimum wage.
with 1100 you can only pay for the essentials, you can count yourself lucky if you can save 50 bucks at the end of the month.
look hans i know you think you can talk people into ruining their country because you said to but your economy is in ruins. you havent seen a quarter at or above 1% gdp growth for a while
its so bad merkel lied about gdp growth for a year straight and later admitted it which caused that entire year to be cropped to 0.7% and nothing since has even reached 0.7% . that bitch is lying again and she is already busted but nobody in europe will talk about it the first quarter this year for germany will be reduced . its the only point you reached 0.7% this year the rest is 0.4,0.3 and 0.5 year to date
>And he does, which is why unemployment goes up when minimum wage does.
... so why did unemployment go down to a record low after minimum wage was introduced a few years ago... and reached a 30yr low this year after it was increased end of last year?
I've been to your capital and it was by far the worst part of Europe I visited
You imported year after year millions of people
More people bigger grow you fat retard
I think the German standard is too high myself, but our minimum wage - 7.5/hr - is too damn low. Inflation has been incessantly increasing and it ought to be around $9/hr.
>it is more likely 2M, and since 2004 maybe 1.5M
Nope, 3 million Polskis, probably more. Not even counting Germanic-Polski hybrids.
This is factually inaccurate the US has much higher living standards then any country in the eu
You live in some parallel universe where raising the price of something - in this case, labor - has no effect on the demand for that same thing. The only way this delusion can be sustained is by embracing some conspiracy theory that all employers are hiding Scrooge McDuck moneybins in their basements, and only the magical benevolence of government can pry it from their clawed capitalist fingers.
When you force wages up, jobs go down. Unemployment means welfare. Welfare means taxes. Taxes mean stagnation. That is the price of your socialist paradise, and it can't be escaped.
Because 13% of our population is black
>look hans i know you think you can talk people into ruining their country because you said to but your economy is in ruins. you havent seen a quarter at or above 1% gdp growth for a while
wud?
look here: and then start apologizing for your complete idiocy.
did you not read the rest of my post? do you not read things?
Seems like we need to annex these lands to rescue Polish minority from islamic and lefty oppression
america is not a real country.
>new sneakers
>sixpack of beer
Aim for the stars, user.
They got like 400 Euro Taschengeld and piss it all away, so what?
>Tfw germany minimum wage is more than 90% of salaries here
>tfw 1500 is decent pay here
nuke my country
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Yeah, your future is so bright
This right here if we were to do what the kraut suggested in a society like Japan it might work. Doing that in america is setting yourself up for failure with the constant flow of cheap labor streaming through the unsecured border every year. In fact it might make illegals immigration worse by giving illegals more incentive to come just so they can work at mickey D's 30 hours a week for 15$ an hour.
Getting Taschengeld as a grownup must be the most shameful thing ever. Fuck.
>Implying niggers deserve gibs
How is that relevant? I could probably buy your entire shithole of a country with my savings. Doesn't mean anything though.
There are people ITT who make less than 3000€ a month
lmao
In my town it's the same like poland food is really cheap
Ever rising rent prices are stopped by goverment so you can get it very cheap too...
Germany overall can be cheap like poland or expensive like switzerland
and we all have guns. you suck, fooie man!
>Yeah, your future is so bright
It is. Overpopulation is a curse. And we have a declining population. Isn't this awesome? We will have low unemployment for the next decades! And a freaking housing surplus from all the old folks dying! Also, we can finally wreck the fucked up shit that is 60s commie blocks once we have all our old nice buildings free from the old dying folks.
>inb4 we are all going to be Muslim
Eh, I think it totally unnessary. There's talk here of raising the minimum to 10, but McDonalds is already paying $11 and grocery story baggers are getting 10.50. I'm not convinced local minimums are anything beyond virtue signaling. I do think national minimums help established cities by pushing the base cost of labor higher which in turn hurts less depeloped states, since it makes Mississippi labor cost as much as California labor. Which i think is silly.
I have been making more than that since I was 22. Fucking poorfags kek
Oh no! We did not count those 1-euro jobs and "fremd gefoerderte Arbeitsverhaeltnisse" and internships etc.
Oh come on, even if you do an all inclusive look at unemployment, we are at a maximum at like 4-5%.
but honestly i'm thinking of an additional burrito.
Alesky that sounds like a great idea. Get right on that amigo.
cost of living is here in germany
How much do you pay your employees?
You realize that your position will inevitably boil down to the idea that if you just give everyone enough money they'll all be rich, right?
>here
higher
Uhh learn basic economics you inbred faggot.
Raising the minimum wage has NEVER (ever) increased unemployment. You have been duped by your billionaire masters
After tax please. Because it is written 1400e for France but Agee contributions and income tax, you have 950e/month
Iirc if we tied it to inflation from the get go it would be quite High today. I think we should bump to 10 and adjust for inflation yearly or bi yearly.
Not true.
Weird how that isn't working out in practice like that fir em
HartzIV programme... 1 euro job und sowas...
I'm sorry that we don't have a massive borderline autocratic socialist economic "coalition" taking our freedoms away from us one by one in exchange for a higher minimum wage.
>no Saturday work.
>HartzIV programme... 1 euro job und sowas...
Look here: Even with all this shit taken into account, our unemployment has gone down.
>unemployment goes up when the minimum wage rises
Point out 1 (one) time this has ever happened. I'll wait while you learn basic economics
>So? In America you don't even have health insurance.
You are a fucking retard. Obamacare is mandatory and if you don't sign up for it or have a private insurer, you're hit with a near 1,000 dollar fine. Stop posting about a nation you know nothing about.
>>no Saturday work.
We had the 6 day work week for a long time. Now employers have to pay you extra on weekends, thus making you earn above minimum wage if you work on Saturday or even on Sunday.
Good job user.
Poorfags are a disgrace
They're poor because God hates them
>Obamacare is mandatory and if you don't sign up for it or have a private insurer, you're hit with a near 1,000 dollar fine. Stop posting about a nation you know nothing about.
So how much do Murricans have at minimum wage after healthcare (including out of pocket payments), pension payments, nursing insurance and taxes?
It is also expensive as fuck living in these countries.
Look at UK taking the dive.
BREXIT kicked it in the teeth
Cost of living in US is like half of Europe other than in the huge cities.
I don't fucking know, faggot. Google it. I was just pointing out that you're a retard for claiming Americans are uninsured because it's basically mandatory at this point. Either you obtain private insurance, sign up for government insurance, or face a 1,000 dollar fine. Those without insurance are uninsured willingly and are deciding to do so regardless of the fine for some reason. It's cheaper to sign up than go without.
Sounds like all you have is dogma and economic theory, while hans is showing you up with FACTS. Who is the one living in a parallel reality? You. You reject the facts of this reality. Dumbass. Go pray more.
>because it's basically mandatory at this point.
That Obamacare fine only kicks in if you make something like 40k or so. Everyone below doesn't have to pay shit. Look it up.
>That Obamacare fine only kicks in if you make something like 40k or so. Everyone below doesn't have to pay shit. Look it up.
Bull fucking shit. I made less than 16k last year and was hit with the fine. Anyone making more than 10k is hit with a fine if you don't sign up or have private insurance. Obviously, I enrolled into Obamacare because I'm not paying that again.
>minimum wage meme
Eastern European here who worked and lived in Germany. Things are so fucking expensive in Germany that once you pay off your bills for the month, you won't have any money left for yourself. Can't buy cigarettes or go out for some fun....
Not everyone in the country is capable of learning a valuable skill due to physical or mental disabilities. I suppose they deserve to starve, naked and alone in the street?
You seem genuinely curious, so I'll try and explain it.
I traveled recently, from california to texas and back. I thought that all of America was high prices, and low minimum wages. I was so wrong. In Nevada, the minimum wage is 8.00 or something like that; most people can get out of minimum wage quickly (6 months), and get housing at 600 usd or much cheaper, depending on how they'll live. Gasoline is 2.40/gallon. Groceries are significantly cheap.
New mexico, similar situation, except I heard they were 7.25/hr. Again, cheaper gas, cheaper groceries than nevada. Arizona was somewhat cheaper, however flagstaff is a shithole. and the cops set up speed traps everywhere (cop said I went 99 in a 75, I went 80). I don't like arizona and will therefore exclude them. Texas, similar to new mexico.
I live in Southern California. In a cheap, shitty desert. The cheapest housing one can find is 800/mo for a one room studio. groceries are twice, if not triple price at their lowest. Gas is 3.00/gallon, if not more recently. costco costs more than grocery stores, despite economy of scale. My utilities (after speaking to people in all the above states), for that 800/mo. studio, were triple their total bills, for less than half their usage. There is nobody hiring, and anyone who forgot to lie that day and accidentally hired someone will at max give them 25 hours (in case they need to give them "overtime" of 4 hours, because we can't give them medical insurance). The minimum wage is $11 something, and is expected to rise to $15.00/hr. to put that in perspective, I pay more, get less, work more, for less, in an increasingly competitive, overpriced market.
>but user, how do other people live?
my neighbors happen to be on section 8. They pay 10.00/mo. in rent. their utilities often cost more than their rent, but each hovers on or near 15 dollars a month for comparable service to me.
Likewise, you don't seem to understand that nobody gets to work just full time. 25 or 50.
>It is also expensive as fuck living in these countries.
Not really. Only thing that is true for Germany is we make less money than the US... and that is because of the Euro-USD exchange ratio. If we had the D-mark, we would earn more than the US as our own currency would appreciate around 30-35%.
Why would God hate something?
Also, explain how you know what God wants, thanks.