Abandon Capitalism and Embrace Communism

Capitalism / market economy cannot function without a perpetually geometrically expanding money supply. And it's certainly not going to give the newly created money to people for free, or distribute it equally to the population as a guaranteed income. So the only remaining alternative is to loan it out at interest.

Without money supply growth there can be no profits (because profits mainly come from money supply growth) except from other businesses' and people's losses. Which is not sustainable. A static money supply is not sustainable.

And if the money supply growth is not geometric then it will simply asymptotically tend to 0% growth over time. Because a fixed rate of growth becomes an ever smaller percentage of the money supply already in circulation as time goes on.

Moreover, it's not just profits why the money supply has to grow. It's also the fact that people pay more to businesses as their overall final, end purchasers and consumers, than businesses pay to people as wages, rents, dividends etc.

This is because absolutely all businesses have business expenses towards other businesses. So that money is not available to pay as wages, rents or dividends directly to humans.

Of course, you can shortsightedly claim that whichever other businesses they buy from will have their own employees, land lords and stock holders. But they'll just as certainly have other businesses they pay money too for various goods or services. For example, an electric power company will be buying coal from another company to operate their coal powered power plant. A restaurant will be buying aprons, tableware, cookware, natural gas and ingredients from other businesses and so on and so forth.

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No.

So there will always be a little bit of money left over, a little bit of money paid by people directly to businesses which never returns to them directly, as either wages, dividends or rents. Or even transfer payments through government welfare. And, as such, human beings are dependent on consumer credit in order to, as a class, not run out of money.

And since human beings are the end purchasers and consumers of everything that's done, built or made in the economy (everything that's done, built or made in the economy is either in order to sell directly to human beings or to enable another business to sell something directly to humans or enable that business to enable another business to do so etc.), if human beings run out of money it's curtains for the economy.

Which is why the entire economy depends on bank loans (the only means capitalism allows for the money supply to grow). Be those bank loans to the state, to businesses or people. But what is explained above, regarding the imbalance of payments between businesses and people, is also why it's actually consumer credit which is the main engine of the economy.

Money supply growth is to capitalism / market economies what growth of entropy is to physical systems. But it's simply not sustainable. And in the future we'll either have a guaranteed basic income / citizen income or something completely different, which doesn't use money, such as a Resource Based Economy or Technocracy.

Of course, ignorant brainwashed muppets would never have realized the above without me spoonfeeding it to you all. It's doubtful whether you all can even comprehend what I've explained above.

Don't be one of those countless droids who drone on about 'Muh capitalism!' and how bad socialism and communism are. While advocating a single payer and/or non-profit healthcare, applauding the welfare state and generally advocating for it and other leftist objectives and accomplishments.

No.

Are you actually going to read a thing I wrote? Or are you a good little goy paying slavery to your kikemasters

Not an argument.

Bump

Tl;dr

Neck yourself commiefaggot.

Trust me. Communism is NOT good

Then read it you uniformed swine.

>commie tries to into economics
cute

Do we need to go over the basics?

Read what I said, faggot.

TL;DR

But don't worry, I did laugh.

Gommunism is the banker's controlled opposition. Either you're dumb as fuck, or, you're a paid shill who happens to be 'occupying Sup Forums'
>THEY AREN'T SENDING THEIR BEST PEOPLE

You laughed because you're an ignorant swine and what I said was completely correct? Good goy, enjoy the rest of your life as a pellet for the Jewish pig.

What you said is a bunch of economically illiterate babble.

>Without money supply growth there can be no profits (because profits mainly come from money supply growth)
Wrong faggot.

>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
And confirmed to have no argument. Why not just dismantle the banks altogether? They are for the most part, against the will of the people being owned by the (((Rothschilds))) and all.

Besides, how about read above before you make such an autistic statement like you have here.

I sit around playing video games and doing nothing all day, sign me up for that free money

Dismantle central banks, yes.

But there WILL be money left over and money that will be paid BY PEOPLE directly to businesses and they are not paid in return. Which is of course consequent in forcing human beings into being dependent into credit as a class order to stay solvent. That's where you are in the wrong.

So what you're basically saying is that money flows in a circle but at a certain stage a small part of it is skimmed as profit, and as such it sits in a rich man's bank account and never goes back to the economy, so for it to do so you need a bank and loan system?

>using a product made by porky when your shekels aren't refunded after damages from ragequitting
o i am laffin

Oh ok, so you've gone fully off the reservation and unironically buy this shit? I can accept you're not a shill, but that means you're far more ignorant than someone who's worldly and sly, you're naive and trusting.
FUCKIN ADORABLE DESU SENPAI
You want a smart daddy to play argues with you so you larp as a commie....please accept this it's the only generous appraisal i can make at the moment/

Your post makes semantically no sense. Stop straining your brain trying to understand economics, and do something more commensurate with your cognitive capabilities, like shouting slogans and throwing bricks.

Bump comrade, spread the truth.

So am I getting free money or not?

I agree comrade! Now come on to the helicopter, we need to make it in time for the next party meeting!

answer my comment please

here we go with an ugly ass commie

This doesn't make sense.

Yes. It completely defeats the prospect of cash flow as a whole. Bank loans are inherently the tenor to the vehicle of capitalism. And if you read the upper parts of the second post, you will see that the discrepancy of money between people and businesses is evident in formulating the role of consumer credit being the current state of financial flow.

How's Venezuela doing???

>POL POT DINDU NUFFIN HE A GOOD BOY CIA MADE HIM KILL NEED MO MONEY FO DEM FIVE YEAR PLANS

N-Next time it'll work...

If Tito's Socialism failed,then how will Communism prosper?

pro tip: it won't and never will

>Capitalism / market economy cannot function without a perpetually geometrically expanding money supply.
>Without money supply growth there can be no profits (because profits mainly come from money supply growth) except from other businesses' and people's losses. Which is not sustainable. A static money supply is not sustainable.

This is retarded. If you understood anything about economics, you would know that this is exactly why there is a boom and bust cycle. If the money supply does not expand. Then prices won't rise. However the price tag isn't the be all end all of the equation. With a contracting money supply, things cost less and the purchasing power of each unit INCREASES.

P.S. you're fucking stupid.

>Without money supply growth there can be no profits (because profits mainly come from money supply growth) except from other businesses' and people's losses.
Of course there can you big fucking dumb faggot, by virtue of the fact that the currency would appreciate in value.

The commie is disallowed from understanding the pure human dynamics of value. It's because that's what happens when you build a religion on post-modernism. The marxian dialectic cycle stops the apoptosis of poorly formed economic ideas. Metaphorically...cancer.

Re-read every word I wrote then, people are stripped money from businesses who refuse to pay them back via necessary stipulations. Otherwise, you're just the typical, bland, indoctrinated fool simply regurgitating the talking points you were taught, with no critical thinking at all.

I'm glad to see rise of the communism on pol. Imperfect ideology as any other, but with a lot more good ideas than the rest.

piggy meme is just so much worse than le happy merchant

commies dont even give a fuck about bankers, theyre just angry at fascists and people they think theyre fascists

>Otherwise, you're just the typical, bland, indoctrinated fool simply regurgitating the talking points you were taught, with no critical thinking at all.
O I am laffin

It's a very old soviet meme from 1920

why cant you just divide the remaining liquid money further?

>a lot more good ideas than the rest.
So good that people are converting trucks into makeshift boats to escape capitalist countries and make their way to cuba

Oh, wait...

You have no clue about anything. Just another dullard whose understanding is skin deep. You also don't ask any questions. Don't inquire. You just diligently and obediently swallow any codswallop you're fed.

Evidently, the long diatribe I wrote which you claim to have read flew right over your head.

Let me boil it down for you so you may hopefully understand. The future of the human race is eugenicist, socialist resource based economy or there isn't any future for humanity at all.

He's hilariously trying to apply Marxs debunked surplus labor nonsense into the monetary system.

You know what happens when you divide an atom?

>abandon ((((CAPITALISM))))) for (((((COMMUNISM)))))

Nope.

>The future of the human race is eugenicist, socialist resource based economy
Sounds like... fascism. Wrong flag m8?

If the money supply is static, you simply will have deflation. It's not because the money supply is static that there can be no profit. Money supply has nothing to do with this actually, you could have an economy run with one dollar, as long as this dollar is infinitely divisible in smaller denominations

>Select all squares that match the label: Helicopter

Even captcha agrees you should get thrown, you retarded leaf.

>people are stripped money from businesses who refuse to pay them back via necessary stipulations
and businesses are stripped money from people who refuse to pay them back via necessary stipulations

how about no?

>THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SURPLUS VALUE TO PROVIDE GIBSMEDAT FOREVER SO CAPITALISM IS SHIT
This is what you actually said. After we properly apply occam's razor. Which commies never do, and thats why their books are SO FUCKING BORING OMG WTF LOL DAS KAPTIAL MORE LIKE DAS NYTOL AMIRITE

My theories, you fucking idiot? You're the idiot who thinks profit or money comes from nothing. Or doesn't even bother to ask himself where they come from.

Typical fucking idiot.

OP on suicide watch

explains the jew denial
you know who led commies in 1920

I'd rather have Socialism-lite Fascism than Communism.

why are you dividing an atom?

Which ideology doesn't have people on boats escaping from one of the countries in which that ideology is implemented?

SHIA IS THIS YOU? HOLY FUCK WE ALWAYS KNEW YOU WAS COMMIES, HOLY SHIT I CANT WAIT TO CHUCK YOU OUT OF A HELICOPTER WITH UR DIVIDED BUTTCHEEKS
OLD SCHOOL CAPITALISM BABAYYYY

They literally cannot afford to print the money needed to sustain their government spending>You have no clue about anything. Just another dullard whose understanding is skin deep. You also don't ask any questions. Don't inquire. You just diligently and obediently swallow any codswallop you're fed

This is classic leftist projection FYI user.
I'm going to pull a commie line

Go read Mises faggot you can start with "Socialism"

Where did I say profits come from nothing? You blithering idiot, where does the money for profits come from?
The money for profits comes from two sources :

1. Newly created money / recently created new money.
2. Other people or businesses' losses.

Man, you're thick as pig shit.

>It wasn't real communism
Kill yourself, OP

So as automation gobbles up most low wage labor, we are left with what?? A few producers and a horde of consumers?

Capitalism and Communism are both done for. We need an alternative economic system not based on industrial era economics.

What does the person without ability do? Or do we just create bullshit jobs? Is the person with the ability forced to provide for those with need. What is the political mechanism to ensure that the system works? I call that slavery.

if he did not believe in surplus "theft" he is not a third position but a capitailist

HEY NIGGER why are you ignoring the posts which disprove you? Scared much?

Anarcho capitalism is for mentally ill people, you're either very dumb or a shill

>being capitalist
HAHAHA I laugh at you freaks

>free money
You'd love capitalism

He's right, you're economically illiterate.

No, profits come from money creation or someone else's losses. As simple as that. You've been explained this earlier, and it is the only correct position.

This.

>You're the idiot who thinks profit or money comes from nothing
I don't you're just making an absolutely absurd assertion based in the same fallacious ignorance Marx had in regards to labor.

Says the commie nigger.

That belgian dude said it the best, read his post, you might learn something.

where are you deriving your morality from

Minarchy, stop buying dumb shit and start farming. Work and weapons keep the commies away. Remember, the difference between a corrupt pedo banker and a commie is the commie smells bad.

Your theory is sound but the answer isn't communism, the answer is to end fractional reserve banking.

Wtf I hate food now

Venezeula is doing bad thanks to capitalism

>not one person in this thread even tried to refute what OP said


Sad!

What a great fucking idea. I will just let the government make choices for me and decide every moral! It makes everything so much easier, thank you OP! How about we all just kill ourselves so others can have resources and not be in need!

Fuck you

"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property(Capitalism) - Communist Manifesto


"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists. " - Communist Manifesto

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Let me reiterate myself, fucking idiot.

Profits are money, you idiot. You can't wish or conjure it into existence unless you're a bank. Profits come from :

1. Money creation (by banks, through interest bearing loans).
2. Some other person or business's losses.

Man you're dumb. Incredible. Absolutely incredible. In a static money supply, for you to register a profit, someone else HAS to register a loss. You fucking idiot.

>No, profits come from money creation or someone else's losses. As simple as that.
But that's wrong you piece of shit nigger faggot.

See this is the reason why, despite being rather socially liberal, whenever I talk to a commie I have a homicidal urge to torture him to death. You are worse than talking to a brick wall, you're like talking to a smug brick wall who tries to harm you. I really wish all commies would be sent to gas chambers and turned into fertilizer. They'd be useful for once.

I'm with you fellow ANCAP.

Liberty over "community"

The Belgian doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Deflation will aboluetley destroy an economy as it halts investment and spending.

how is a state enforced price control "capitalism"
the intent was "accesibility"
which they got until it ran out

embrace my 12 gauge. I'm done talking with you fucking liars.

The answer is to end fractional reserve banking that the Jews have forced upon us goyim.

>Let me reiterate myself, fucking idiot.
I don't care about your commie babble. You got BTFO here: Now go on an ignore this post as you commies always do when you encounter evidence which BTFOs your shitty ideology.

That's bad though

The only difference between a corrupt pedo and an ancap is that ancaps smell bad

>capitalism isn't sustainable because money will eventually run out

How the fuck do you retards remember to breathe

I don't refute a bee either when it stings me. Just smash 'em :^)

You're clearly an idiot who does not understand that for you to register a profit one or both of the following need to have happened :

1. Someone or a company took out a bank loan, which means new money was created. Them spending the loan injects that new money into the economy and allows for profit to exist.

2. Someone or a company registered losses.

You're clearly mentally challenged if you think you can just have profits without the money for those profits having to come from somewhere, that somewhere being either new money creation or someone else's losses.

This is, seriously, kindergarten level stuff, to realize that you can't have something for nothing (i. e. profits without either losses or new money creation).

You not being able to realize such a simple fact indicates you're dumb as pig shit.

>2017
>Still believing in communism

The question wasn't whether deflation is bad, the question was whether you can't make profits with a fixed money supply.

Bro, you're really sensitive about people not understanding you. Is that maybe because you're thinking through a thick layer of post-modern kikery?
What drives the demand for money, and why would a money supply ever be static? Also, do you factor in other stores of value which aren't money? It's expected that we've 'read marx' in order to grasp these things, but marx is garbage, sweetie, and we're a bit more sophisticated than that. Can you clear those bits up?

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