Why shouldn't we pay a decent wage to hardworking Americans?

Why shouldn't we pay a decent wage to hardworking Americans?

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when you raise the price of wages, everything has to adjust.
just shit heads wanting more money for less work. the american dream

>minimum wage job
>hard work

They don't deserve it.

We could, but the labor market is oversaturated, the laws of supply and demand dictate the average wage, get rid of immigrants and company's would be forced to pay a higher wage without the need to make laws that go against every school of economics that works.

>but da more paper i have da more rich i am

Youre all morons

because i'm a classcuck who sucks jew dick and gargles zionist cum

>American
Lol

It's harder work than better paying jobs. That's why it pays like shit. Since when is hard work repaid?

You can't honestly think that flipping burgers in a hot oily room and cleaning toilets is easier than filing and stamping papers in a nice air conditioned room.

That's why it pays like shit, it's a shitty job in a shitty environment.

We should. Just not by government force

I doubt you've ever worked a low wage job, but I can tell you it's harder than sitting at your white collar desk fucking around on facebook all day. You actually have to work. With you hands. Crazy right?

> Americans

>Why shouldn't we pay a decent wage to hardworking Americans?
They're not working that hard if they're getting less than $15.

> Americans

Most minimum wage jobs are filled by niggers, wetbacks, and various immigrant filth.

fpbp

also its proven to actually hurt their overall wage

First "white collar desk job" I worked at, I didn't get paid for the first 4 months. I worked as an "unpaid intern" to get experience. This was while I was in school and had no prior experience or qualifications.

If you're such a fucking nigger that you decide you have no ambitions and work at McDonalds all your life, and not even hard enough to get promoted to manager, then you deserve nothing aside from your $10/hour and greasy hands.

Hey assholes, you know a $15 min wage is going to bury the blue collar folks ACTUALLY working jobs that are far harder than absentmindedly preparing pre-prepared food, right?

A decent wage should reflect the amount of work and productivity you provide to your employer/company. If you're flipping a fucking burger, you can be replaced pretty quickly. Kinda hard to replace a professional carpenter/mechanic/software engineer... etc. That's why.

I don't know what job you work but that is absolutely not true in the service and retail industries. The majority of employees do the bare minimum amount of work to avoid official reprimand.

You're complaining about your little 4 months you didn't get paid while your parents supported you so you could get a white collar job sitting on your ass making 10x as much as someone who works 10x harder than you?

Here comes your replacement

>Why shouldn't we pay a decent wage to hardworking Americans?- 21 posts and 3 image replies shown.
Because $15.00 minimum wage makes me wonder why I bust my ass for $16.75 when I could just get a job at Starbucks or stock shelves at Walmart instead.

>Hardware Engineer
>Hard to replace

Kek

And it's also a job that requires no effort to replace, which is why it's a minimum wage job. Jobs are paid based on the value they generate vs the cost to generate that value, not some arbitrary measure of difficulty, otherwise cutting a rock with a plastic spoon would be the single highest paying job in the world.

Neither of the people in this picture are Americans, they deserve to be payed nothing.

No, it's not. It's menial labor, you learn how to do it the first weak or two and then it becomes endless repetition. I've baked, landscaped, worked in customer service, and childcare. It's all formulaic and easy. Childcare is the only thing of those four that's even close to being under-valued, and even then it's really not hard for anyone who's not a retard.

Pay is also based on skill.
If your good at flipping burgers. work your way up to a line cheff.
then you can work towards being the head cheff.

But your lazy, stupid, and impatient.
You want you $15/h now rather than earning it.

You know what's really hard?

Studying every day of your life in high school. Then every day of your life in college. Doing advanced math equations and studying complex scientific principles. Staying up all night for days on end. Working weekends to support yourself so you have no downtime whatsoever. Writing tests that will destroy your future if you fail. Do this aprox 80 times. Then graduating and having an actual job that requires intellectual thinking, working overtime to meet deadlines, having to redo everything if you made a single tiny mistake early on, having to constantly study and stay abreast of developments in the field.

Basically, working hard your entire life with almost no relaxation, while some minimum wage fag who spent all his high school years and all his present time off masturbating and playing videogames can think he worked harder than you as you as he performs mindless repetitive tasks because that's all he's qualified to perform.

because they arent hard working

I said software engineer you poop dick!
kek

Low skill, little in the way of education or experience... raise the cost to hire those people.

Wonder why costs and unemployment go up. Conclude we need Socialism. Join Antifa. Hit a capitalist with a bike lock. Go to jail.

Because stupid doesn't deserve $15

>You're complaining about your little 4 months you didn't get paid while your parents supported you so you could get a white collar job sitting on your ass making 10x as much as someone who works 10x harder than you?
No, you nigger, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that I made sacrifices for the long-term in order to get where I am. Nobody just gave me this job, I had to work for it. First I worked for good grades that will get me into the program I wanted, then I worked in the industry at entry-level for the experience and connections, then I worked to support myself, then I worked for my education, then I worked to pay off student loans, then, 10 years later, I actually reaped the rewards of all that hard work.

If I had just said "nah, it's too much hard work" I'd have just gotten a job flipping burgers like you.

Working for the future, what a novel concept!

>15 dollars an hour
>dream
>yay everyone can live affordably now!
>reality
>yay money is even more worthless

Because BASED redpilled Executives work hard all day and they are the unsung heroes of society and they should all get raises. Corporate management and stock brokers deserve BASED money for being so redpilled and everyone else who works to support themselves and their families like a bunch of nigger faggots probably are niggers and faggots, (nevermind the fact that WHITE working class people are the overwhelming majority of the workforce) are bluepilled commie jews.
We should also raise NEETbux pay cuz they are the real redpilled BASED members of society and their opinions are way more enlightened than all those commie jews who work desk jobs or work at bluepilled retail/fast food businesses, they don't deserve anything because they should be working in BASED coal mines or doing other heavy manual labor and we should remove all the bluepilled regulations so that maybe they can die at work like a real man does!!
Their bosses work so much harder, telling other people what to do and sitting in their offices is the only redpilled BASED way to live and they deserve to buy another BASED boat because they arent looking for any gibs like all those faggots who work 40 hours a week and cant afford to rent a bluepilled studio apartment because they made poor life choices to not be born into families where they can be benefited by nepotism like real redpilled BASED patriots!!

>This is what you all sound like every time I see one of these threads

PS I'll agree that $15/hr might be a little bit too high, but workers deserve more than what is deemed acceptable by the (((corporate overlords)))

Wages have not went up since 1973. goverment keep flooding the country with 3rd worlders .Destroying the middel class.

>worked
Being a goodgoy drone while your rich parents paid for your bigboy diapers. KYS for thinking you accomplished anything without the system holding your hand because your parents had the money.

All communists should be shot on sight.
>muh workers

I'll also take it one step further and say that Fast Food workers should NOT be the ones leading this cause because they actually work worthless jobs which will soon be obsoleted once automation reaches an acceptable level.
But discounting the actual niggers with no ambitions beyond flipping burgers, there are millions of hard-working WHITE Americans who are being shit on because they are all being lumped in with gibsmedat-hungry nigger strawmen.
If you are against any raising of the minimum wage to any amount that might be slightly more liveable (even by a few more dollars an hour) then you should be ashamed of yourself for contributing to the disappearance of the WHITE working class and are thus supporting the white genocide that I'm sure you are all so passionately opposed to.
White people can't have white babies and support white families when they make $7/hr working in a perfectly acceptable 40 hr/wk retail job who have aspirations to work their way up the ladder but can't save up any money because they live paycheck to paycheck just to support themselves, let alone anyone else.

Take the minority boogie-man goggles off and think about it as if your position is only affecting white people and see if you feel any differently about the sad state of the minimum wage problem

>raise minimum wage to $15
>prices go up to compensate
>people currently making $15 now have the same purchasing power as a minimum wage worker, but more responsibilities
>they probably demand a raise, but there's no way in hell they'll get it
>guy working the McDonald's kitchen gets paid more to still get your order wrong
What a great "solution".

We should. Why should the government set a price control on labor rather than letting employees and employers voluntarily agree on a wage?

Come do my job for a week and I'll go flip burgers. You think standing over a grill in a humid room that has predictable rushes is tough and tiring? Try doing something like power linesman out in remote areas, tower crane technician, RF tower technician, a rig pig, crop duster, logger, coal miner, or nuclear tech. Oh you had a day, mess up an order, boss screams at you? You're hot and stinky and hungry and tired and your feet hurt? You need $15/hrs because the stress of possibly putting pickles on Jamal's burger is just not worth the measly $9. Good grief

>that Loony Tunes cosplay

>employers are retards who pay more than they need to for jobs that just anyone could do

why is Sup Forums so economically illiterate?

You should make their dollars worth more not less. Also, people barely want to buy at prices as they are, what will happen if prices are driven up by wage increase? The last time the owner of the business I work at raised prices he lost half or more of his customers.

Tell these folks to not work for less than $15 an hour then. Doing it this way will just reduce available hours in the short term and devalue what $15 means in the long run.

Hey, what the fuck do you know, if you cut down on illegal immigrants, you'd be more successful at holding on to a living wage.

Almost like the least educated have been manipulated into arguing against their own interest and used in artificial class warfare.

ITT no economics majors.
Theoretically an increase in wages will cause the price level to increase and aggregate demand to shift upwards accordingly. In the short run, the output is exceeding the natural level (Yx>Yn) so unemployment will decrease. z in the equation is a catch-all for other variables that may affect outcome of wage setting, so stuff like employment protection, unemployment benefits etc., will also increase (which makes sense, if unemployment falls there is less supply of unemployed labour so their bargaining power increases).

TLDR; Short run: price level increases, unemployment drops and individuals gain more bargaining power.

Medium/long run in replies to this in about 2 mins.

Venezuela raises it's minimum wage all the time

money.cnn.com/2017/01/09/news/economy/venezuela-minimum-wage-increase-hyperinflation/index.html

It doesn't work.

>assumes a bunch of bullshit about elasticity

>the system is oppressing me. You can't do anything when your poor and have no-one to depend on.

This kind of criticism can only be made by people that don't know the system. Look up CC's or Trade schools. Look up student loan options. Look up night classes.

Life is always easier when you have money, but under no society is that rule different. Even Communist societies had aggregated power that gave special privileges.

Maintaining an increased price level above Pe in the medium run will put pressure on wage setters to increase their wages (even by a marginal amount). Over time this puts inflationary pressures on the economy. Central bank wants to keep inflation confined, usually between 1.5-3%, so they enact contractionary monetary policy by reducing money supply and thus rising the interest rate. Increase in interest rate = have to pay more back on your loans so people less inclined to spend/invest so aggregate demand falls back to AD (AD'') and output returns to Yn. Decrease in output implies an increase in unemployment, meaning less spending meaning a reduction in inflationary pressures meaning a decrease in the price level.

Exchange rate will be impacted by this though.

Mopping floors and pressing the 'hamburger' button on a screen aren't deserving of a high salary.

That's not to say there aren't plenty of talentless assholes on six figure incomes that are morons and got their jobs through nepotism and asslicking, but If you're a well trained, self-developed or intelligent and your role is worth more, you should get paid more than a shitkicker who's still in highschool and washing lettuce 12 hours a week.

Also individual employers that aren't a part of a franchise chain will likely start to turn toward automated ordering systems to cut costs and only keep senior or experienced staff to do necessary manual work. No point paying half a dozen dropkicks 15/hr when 2 order machines will work 24/7 for free and never be late, need breaks or steal from you.

So where does that leave us who currently make like 16 dollars?
Have I slaved at my shifty retail for 2 years to become a shift leader for nothing?
Either way I'm almost done with my degree so I hope I can move

Graph on the left shows how an increase in wages shifts the IS curve to the right (IS') and how that results in a higher output (Yx) as corresponding with the AS/AD graphs. Contractionary monetary policy as a general statement means the central bank sells bonds to banks who buy them, reduction in amount of loanable funds increases interest rates so LM shifts to Lm' (LM = money market, reduction in amount of money shifts curve left) and results in higher interest rate at Iy maintaining the natural level of output.

Increasing the interest rate then causes the exchange rate to increase as financial investors see the greater return and deposit money in domestic banks. Depositing in domestic banks implies exchanging/purchasing that local currency, all else the same will cause an increase in the rate of that currency.

Tldr rising minimum wages in the medium run causes interest and exchange rates to increase as a means of inflation control. Unemployment will generally stay the same.

>Elasticity
>Price level
>Implying that people won't spend more if they're given more money to spend

Could have asked for that in Mexico... but then jobs would leave. So they didn't. They just waited for population overshoot. and left for America themselves. Undercutting Americans then trying to bump up prices when they think competition is gone.

I don't know how I feel about the minimum wage to be honest. On the one hand, traditional supply-and-demand analysis suggests that raising the minimum wage will just increase unemployment. However, the laws of supply and demand are based on a number of assumptions that don't necessarily apply to the labor market. For example, the laws of supply and demand only apply when each individual unit of the commodity being considered is perceived to be identical by the consumer. This is not true for the labor market, since workers are extremely heterogeneous, and have different abilities, strengths, and weaknesses. Not only that, but the laws of supply and demand assume that changing the price of a commodity won't affect its quality. This is obviously true for most physical goods, but it's not true for the labor market, since workers might work harder, or less hard, depending on how much they're paid. Workers that make very little might not work very hard, because they barely make any money anyway. On the other hand, workers that make more money might work harder, because high-paying jobs can be hard to come by, and they really don't want to lose their job.

Other economists have argued that raising the minimum wage won't lead to unemployment, because when workers are paid more, they have more money to spend on things. This increases the amount of money that businesses make, which allows them to hire more workers, i.e. it shifts the supply curve for the labor market to the right, which would mean that raising the minimum wage wouldn't lead to a significant increase in unemployment.

Both supporters and opponents of the minimum wage have pretty good arguments IMO.

If increasing the wage made your workers and your businesses more efficient, then somebody could do it voluntarily and out compete their competitors and make massive profits.

One of those things where people who believe it (and there are many Democrat business owners) could put their money where their mouth is.

> because when workers are paid more, they have more money to spend on thing
The workers that are still working are paid more. If people get fired, or have their hours reduced, or if job growth is inhibited (due to less businesses starting because of labor costs), then total income paid to workers collectively could remain the same or even fall.

You are jumping the shark here comparing a career to a job. All we want is a livable wage for our services, thats it. Min wage jobs are killer on your body(labor intensive)/mind(repetitive) and soul(no freedom of movement) so offering 8-9 an hour is slavery.

>The workers that are still working are paid more. If people get fired, or have their hours reduced, or if job growth is inhibited (due to less businesses starting because of labor costs), then total income paid to workers collectively could remain the same or even fall.
Yeah, but if the workers have more money to spend (since they're being paid more) this will increase spending, which will increase revenues, which will allow business to hire more workers.

It'll just get them laid off or cut back on hours for companies that can't afford it.

>Yeah, but if the workers have more money to spend (since they're being paid more)
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Each worker gets paid more, but if less total workers, the total amount of money the worker's collectively get is less.

And there's evidence to suggest that businesses spend more than consumers.

stockinvestor.com/20288/consumer-spending-economy/

Heres a question for you all. Would you rather they do?
>Raise the minimum wage?
>Or replace workers with automation?

We are overpopulated and the collective is dying so we are literally throwing money at the problem. People need jobs that create wealth and without manufacturing what does america have in the city? Nothing lol

No its not. Youre full of it.
That being said.
You cant just raise wages like that.
One. Its not the goverment who runs and oversees those businesses. Two like 25% of those jobs would be terminated because the business owners dont usually have the kind of scratch to pay All of their enployees that.
Aaaaaannnndddd
The extra money those people think would go their way will actually just go to the goverment in the form of taxes and medicaid.
It sucks. It really does suck. I wish people didnt have to struggle to make it through life, but the harsh reality is that reality IS harsh

The amount of hyperbole here is mindblowing

Start a company and hire people and you can literally pay them as high a wage as you want. That's how it works, dumbass.

Because I'm a corporate shill who hates 3% unemployment and booming employment and wages

nice try shill

youtube.com/watch?v=8wAa9DqHZtM

>good goy work for less
>give your money to us, don't worry we'll spend it for you

>flag noted
>sucks jew dick and gargles zionist cum

Checks out.

Also communists have confirmed committed more genocide than Hitler allegedly did. See: Holodomor and Tienanmen Square