Do you people believe in ebb and flow?
in pendulum?
In cyclic social theory?
Everything is accelerating towards the progressive...
Like the whole world is a giant weimar republic...
What will be the next cycle? Will it be ultra conservative? Or will we continue this progressive trend ad infinitum?
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Bowl of soup
Either slip and slide from end to end or be kept down by the pressure
You ever heard of the Sup Forums Theory? It's like in real life, we process time linearly forward.
But outside of our real lives, from what would be a fourth-chan perspective, time wouldn't exist, and from that vantage, could we attain it... we'd see... our image board would look flattened, like a single website with virgin neckbeards in a superposition of every place it ever occupied. Our sentience just cycling through threads in our mothers basement, like mountain dew in a lake.
See, everything outside of Sup Forums... that's normalfags, normalfags looking down on us. Now, to us, it's a way of life, but to them... it's an anime image board
In real life, where there are no waifus and feet threads, meme's can't grow. Memes can't become. Memes don't change. So Moot created Sup Forums to grow the memes that reddit would kill, and then they are reposted, but into the same image board, that you've always been born into.
How many times have we had this thread, guys?
Well who knows. When you can't remember your lives before Sup Forums, you can't change your lives.
And that is the terrible and the secret fate of Sup Forums
You're trapped, by that nightmare you keep waking up into.
bowl of soup theory? Now that's a new one.
Is it like boiling the frog alive theory? Like after a long time of boiling? (frog soup)
>ITT: OP doesn't know what r/K is
feels like timewave zero is right, but then again could just be that this is what ageing feels like
>Everything is accelerating towards the progressive...
Not really, this is just the end of the west. Christendom is already dead and the rest of society is soon to follow. Things are just ramping up to maximum degeneracy as people try to avoid the hard truths of reality and focus on themselves.
Nothing to worry about, every society dies, there is still a chance for the individual to live a great life.
like a potentiality field that can see the future trapped in a hate and misery mind field - theory?
You said it better
But aren't normal fags trapped in an even stupider mind field?
Lol. I hate black pills.
Are all black things bad?
Nope, more like getting down there and coming back up quickly with something from inside.
Staying down there would make you end up in the rabbit hole theory. Losing momentum is the worst.
Did you read my last line about the individual still being able to live a great life. It was supposed to be uplifting. Yes everything is shit here at the tail end of western civilization, so you better make the best of it. If you and every other person stopped worrying about the how quickly the end is approaching and instead focuses on being the type of person you idolize the end may not come so quickly.
Which kinds of people are rabbit hole theory people?
Just trying to put this into perspective
(blind people describing elephant theory)
I am in a slump in my life, career and not finding love, so I can't really realize the triumph of the individual at this point. I do have little personal goals. I am the quintessential neckbeard. No basement dwelling for me though, I have the upstairs baby. parasitism of an age gone by. ;)
umm, try digging a hole in rock bottom
>Everything is accelerating towards the progressive
>the progressive
>progressive
Progress is like that damned little tomato seed that you keep trying to pin down with your index finger, but every time you think you have it pinned down, it slips right out from underneath your finger.
"Progress" is a phantasm that revolutionaries (usually sexually deviant) throw around to justify how they think morality should be bent to allow for X degeneracy.
There is no definition for "progress" when progressives are asked. Just keep on truckin' toward some phantom goal; keep on tearing down the rules and norms that built Western Civilization.
Progress.
So Progressive.
Let's progress there.
To the end of the rainbow, where morality is completely subjective.
Progress.
I think it was Rand who said 'progress for progress' sake is the ideology of the cancer cell' wasn't it?
yes it's cyclic, (history repeats itself) but the pendulum swings harder each iteration.
Basically the next WW will bring a start to an even more degenerate progressivism.
People will marry dogs, no legal age for consent etc..
pic related
Will jews be kicked out of countries again? That happened a lot..
Humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. The ancient Indian writings known as the 'Puranas' describe human lineages extending over a BILLION years into the past and we have suppressed archaeological evidence in the form of fossils and artifacts which confirm this. I'm interested in the cyclical conception of human history that pre-Abrahamic cultures had. The Ancient Greeks had a cyclical conception of human history that was similar to the cyclical conception of human history that the Hindus had (and STILL have). The Ancient Greeks had a Golden Age (equivalent to Satya Yuga in Hinduism), a Silver Age (equivalent to Treta Yuga in Hinduism), a Bronze Age (equivalent to Dwapara Yuga in Hinduism) and an Iron Age (equivalent to Kali Yuga in Hinduism). I call the model of human history that is currently dominant among historians 'the linear-progressive model of human history'. The linear-progressive model of human history basically says that the further back in human history you go, the more primitive that humans, their cultures and their technology becomes. The linear-progressive model of human history embraced by modern historians and modern anthropologists actually has its roots in Judeo-Christian beliefs, ironically enough. Virtually EVERY pre-Abrahamic culture WORLDWIDE embraced a conception of human history that was CYCLICAL, with civilisations rising and falling one after the other over VAST periods of time and humans being EXTREMELY OLD.
I did not hear that quote if he did say that. Interesting.
However, studying Canon Roca, the 18th-19th century apostate clergyman who was a Masonic mole, wrote about how the future movement that would be pushed would call themselves "progressivists." As they were called back then.
He was speaking about the creation of a new civic religion; classical liberalism taken to its natural conclusion.
I have a feeling it's gona be the muslims this time around.
But yes, user. History is linear that tends toward rhyming; "cyclical."
>1517
>20 years of Father Luther's new doctrines gave rise to 40 new sects
>Christendom fractured into theological rivalry via theological liberalism, aka protestantism
>200 years later
>hundreds of individual Christian sects all claiming to be the true Christian sect
>protestant principle of private interpretation infects all streams of thought, seeps into philosophy
>protestants disillusioned with the sectarian and subjective nature of protestantism begin a humanist philosophical revolution
>Renaissance
>1717
>Masonic lodge founded in London based upon the egalitarian, Judaizing principles of Anabaptists and Jacobite/Whig revolutionaries
>Masonry quickly abandon Christian religious foundations and promote secularism and overthrow of authority, namely the authority of the Catholic Church and Monarchy
>(Judaizing) Masonry uses Protestantism as a weapon against the foundational principles of Christendom: Catholicism
>Secularism rises
>Christendom further weakened; theological wedge + philosophical wedge
>1776
>America founded
>First secular, godless nation on planet earth in recorded human history
>1789, French revolution
>Protestant private interpretation altered philosophy and manifested itself in political realm in the actual overthrow of altar and throne
>Christendom shattered
>Today
>American Protestants hail the rise of the secular republics as the "best government on earth" and "protected by God"
>200 years of secularism has led to children confused as to which bathroom to use
>Classical liberalism has spread into all facets of the world stage, including the hierarchy of its natural enemy: the Catholic Church
>"Conservatives" wonder how we got here, but still say "We need to get back to the Constitution and everything will be ok"
for jews... digits?
That was actually a pretty good recap, did you just write that up? Only things I would add are
>role of masonry in French Revolution and American Revolution
>role of (((Weishaupt))) in founding Bavarian freemasonry/illuminati (the historical illuminati, which was a real organization)
Could even add that Trotsky later became inspired by Weishaupt and include the rise of communism as a world force as linked to all the ideas you mentioned
I have read a lot of Crowley's stuff.
He was an outspoken occultist...
(he opened an evil portal theory)
God help us all.
Absolutely.
Weishaupt, the Jesuit who became enamored with Endarkenment philosophy and left the Jesuits.
Marxism was the natural outgrowth of socialism which was the natural outgrowth of the French Revolution as it was inspired by Masonry, which was inspired by the philosophies of the protestant sect Anabaptists... who literally practiced socialism and egalitarianism--even going so far as to share wives.
So,
>Theological liberalism (Protestantism) begets
>Philosophical liberalism (Renaissance; humanism) begets
>Classical liberalism (founding ideologies of American/French revolution) begets
>Marxism and Contemporary liberalism (progressivism) begets....
>Civilizational death
>Antonio Gramsci
>One of the fathers of cultural Marxism
>"The philosophy of praxis is the crowning point of this entire movement; (...) it corresponds to the nexus Protestant Reformation plus French Revolution. It is a philosophy which is also a politics, and a politics which is also a philosophy"
Now. Can you go into some of the symbols they use?
I saw a bee hive on one of their diagrams. Is this supposed to be communism?
Also, the pyramid is obviously representative of a social structure.
These are just the obvious ones to me.
Seems like a way to communicate large ideas without directly doing so.
excuse my being a pleb
We can also trace the philosophical acceptance of immoral behavior to a change in theology. Philosophy, as Plato said, was subordinate to religion as religion is pure philosophy.
>1930, Anglican Lambeth Conference
>Allowed limited contraception between married couples in opposition to 1,900 years of Christian teaching and tradition
>Secular, Catholic, and Protestant world protested that it would lower general morality across nation
>Contraception use was not limited, because when the exception becomes the rule, there are no more exceptions
>Entire secular and Protestant world capitulated within 10 years
>1960
>Sexual revolution. Free-sex requires a disconnect between the natural result of the sexual act
>Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI, reaffirms the traditional teaching concerning contraception and procreation
>Canadian Bishops officially rebel; Many American Bishops officially rebel; Control Notre Dame was given over to a council of laity so they could push contraception
>Individual Catholics get involved with the hedonist lifestyle in the same proportion as Protestants and secularists
>The connection between procreation and sex is frayed from a young age with parental behavior ("family planning") and sex-ed
>Sex becomes all about pleasure
>When the measure of the goodness of the act is merely pleasure, who is to say what pleasure can be extracted
>Sodomitical behavior and contraceptive behavior are philosophically the same, as both are sterile
>Homosexuality becomes more acceptable in the minds of the young, since most heterosexual sex is sterile anyway and sex is all about pleasure
>OBERGEFELL ET AL. v. HODGES, sodomite union SCOTUS decision
>Dissenting Judge Alito
>"If this traditional understanding of the purpose of marriage does not ring true to all ears today, that is probably because the tie between marriage and procreation has frayed"
This is how we arrived where we are.
The next cycle with the sat yug atleast for us, it's kali yug right now kalki will come at the end of this age and kill all the degenerates
A few thinkers have written alike. Sowell talked of the slogan of 'change' used to dazzle and convince people. It seems to be an effective tactic.
Anything that uses the hive symbol is to be distrusted.
The bee has been used as ancient Christian symbolism of Christ. Which is why candles used in liturgy are supposed to be 100% beeswax.
>The symbolism of bees also signifies the way the Church generates her spiritual fruits because bees are virginal, they don't have any sexual contact. As the Church gives grace through the purity of her divine Sacraments, so the bees give us honey and wax by the labor of their pure bodies.
>traditioninaction.org
Outside of a Christian context I don't know what else it is supposed to symbolize.
Yes, people decry the pyramidal structure as if it is inherently bad because the social engineers use it. Technically, that is the natural order of things. Our universe is hierarchical. Nature is hierarchical. Human society is also hierarchical. Egalitarianism and absolute "equality" is a made-up concept used to destroy the existing social order. You can bet that once the social order that built Western civilization (e.g. Christendom) is completely and utterly destroyed, egalitarianism will be done away with.
You should check out Robert Anton Wilson.
We are trapped in liguistic concepts.
This is the mechanics of how we got to where we are.
Grammer>Logic>Rhetoric
True education in which is not taught simply.
A society confused, accepting of any philosophy.
Haha, I just realized he is the epitomy of postmodernism...
Disregard. Something I listened to in my youth, now through the lens of experience I can see where he stands.
>Grammar>Logic>Rhetoric
Well it is still true that one needs the vocabulary to articulate abstract thoughts. Without the vocabulary, can you even have the thought?
I have heard that English is too much of a commercial language for philosophy. Anything beyond "I have X for $X" gets lost in the ether of double-meaning and imprecise language.
That's what the use of so-called "dead languages" are for.
Cycles are an effect of energy circulation at all scales -the "eternal return" to equilibrium.
Robert Hooke (and others) believed light and maybe all natural phenomena
could be traced to waves.
Scientific knowledge into nature's energy flows enables us
to build derivative flows in the microcosm of civilization.
Each step is an small experiment or path away from equilibrium.
Most experiments fail and return to equilibrium.
Yes, I think we will return.
But perhaps to something we never could see in our conception of history. To a place far beyond the reaches of humanities most distant memory.
Like a star that can only be seen every million years.
I don't know what to expect. Too much chaos and volatility.
Perhaps a new language is in order...
Doubtful, remember the Jew that created Esperant as the new global language for the new world system. Thankfully it was placed in the dustbin of history.
We live in a time where everyone is always looking for "version 2,3,4,5,etc". Novelty is celebrated and tried without abandon.
The only way back is what is tried and tested. Tradition.
Not that I think all English speakers should all give up English. It's just an inferior language for certain things.
You seem to be on the right path but have a low iq.
The only thing that is increasing is entropy , it does not matter if left or right , but on both sides the entropy is increasing as retards overbreed smart people.
On conservaitves you have stron anti science idiots , on leftist you have marxist fucking over social democrats and creating shit like venezuela.
The pendulum moves around the levels of entropy for example during the world wars , retards were killed and smart people given jobs in research.
So when the war ended you had a population that lacked testosterone due to the men killed , the few men alive were smarter , and society was more peacefull and integrated technologies into the civilian market fast.
That created a pendulum for progress in the two world wars , thats why the last astronaut to walk on the moon grow in a farm without electricity.
But since then due to mad , everything is a slow increase of entropy to hell , the next cycle will be a collapse of the financial system and a rise of cryptocurrencies , since the current system will not be able to adapt fast to the rising entropy.
Sooner or latter leftist will want to print money for everything or the right for a bigger military and shit.
The current trend is social chaos for the next 30 years and a rise of cryptcurrencies.
Is the economy cyclical? It ebbs and flows, sure, it goes boom and bust in a cyclical manner. But there's a stronger trend behind it. It's growing, and just like it we are moving somewhere even if there are a few bumps in the road. Just look at history, you might be able to put people into the same two camps but they're not duking it out in the same place. You don't even have to go back 100 years to find people decried as communists that'd be called fascist today. But that we're moving doesn't mean it's inevitable, desirable and necessary. Even if you think direct measures are useless and that circumstance dictates everything, that follows cause and effect and changing the circumstances would give a change in results.
But yes, people aren't going to be huge fans of losing their sovereignty to foreign voters and (((corporate))) interests, never mind extinction. You'll see whatever means are needed get employed.
You're post indicates a lower IQ than mine.
You just named a bunch of phenomenon. Why do young people always think they are smart because they can spew a bunch of concepts they've heard?
Lurk more... in life.
OMG my life is over
cya b4 raped by poodle
We need to expand into space to regain sovereignty, we are trapped with the tyrants that engineering the change. And yes, I think it is engineered rather than naturally emergent.
Our economy is growing due to cheap labor (automation).
Why they are forcing demographic change is to be seen
Retreat buys time, it solves nothing. If it's a concerted effort you kill them all.
I feel bad for Sweden and Germany. You guys are getting it hard..
The sane among you should move to CZ and Hungary. It isn't retreat. It's more like gathering with like minded people. Naturally emergent. Oil and water.
Space colonisation now
>forcing demographic change
What do you mean? We as a society did this to ourselves.
People warned that contraception, abortion, and sexual hedonism would lead to consequences. The population replacement rate is below the basic 2.1 replacement level without immigration. That is one of the justifications the social engineers have for bringing in the third world.
1) replacement of people who are not replacing themselves
2) voting block
3) ulterior motive; replacement of white, historically Christian demographic
Progressivism will die out with the cuckoldry race aka whites
No. We didn't do anything. A small minority of people did this, and the innocent among us were enslaved by those who could do this. By financial means.
We the people are innocent. This meme needs to stop. You can't blame the idiots for being idiots, they didn't orchestrate the big changes, nor did they have the ability to stop them.
>We the people are innocent
Riiiight. The average married couple has one or two children. We have bought into the sexual revolution and we're now reaping the consequences of sterility. We've sewn sterility and we're reaping sterility. Last figures I saw was something like 98% of women use contraception. Even among married couples.
Without children there is no future demographic. We most certainly are guilty.
>We the people
This is a concept that only existed within the confines of 18th century revolutionary classical liberals. A tiny elite. There was no We The People. Only a fraction of Americans even supported the Revolutionary War, something to the magnitude of 11%. The "consent of the governed" is a myth.
We're a society based on a philosophy that literally gives error the same weight and validity as truth. A society that abhors absolutes. Even so far as popular culture painting the concept of absolute truth as an evil thing (pic related).
Relativism isn't a new phenomenon. It is ingrained in the fabric of classical liberal American society.
We're simply witnessing and living the fruits of such a bankrupt philosophy.
Well education, finance, and entertainment was taken over by the jew and communists (jewish). The innocents were subverted against their will (unknowingly) and are still innocent in the grand scheme.
Relativism and post modern thought is degenerate... also happens to be supported by many jews.
Buddy, before the Jew it was the WASP. Our problems didn't begin with Jewish subversion--which most certainly exists.
Our problems extend from our founding philosophy.
You can't found a nation on rebellion and relativist principles then expect a stable civilization.
Jews were called out in the bible. This isn't new.
Jews could be said to be the greatest destroyer of mankind since the beginning.
Society is cyclical, but it's not a pendulum. Society condenses, then divides, then condenses, then divides. An empire arises, then breaks into many states. A people break off from an empire, and form a nation (America). America itself is starting to Balkanize.
This gives impetus for expansion. These divisions cause societies to spread to new lands and find new resources. Humanity is currently faced with a pretty significant problem: We have nowhere left to expand to. So either we kick off another space race or we're well and truly fucked.
Well yeah. Jew changes its meaning from a mere ethnicity to the Semitic people that rejected and killed Logos incarnate. We're talking past each other here.
Our problems today are in great part due to Jewish revolutionary behavior.
Overall, our problems are baked into the system; into the American ideology.
See