Will these guys be remembered as the Aristotle and Socrates of our time?

Will these guys be remembered as the Aristotle and Socrates of our time?

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definitely yes

who's the one on left? also fuck boogie why doesn't he die already?

Closest we have to that today would maybe be Michael Savage.

Sargon of Akkad

He has neetbux from neets to pay his healthcare and help feed his neet life.

Stefan Molyneux and Jordan Peterson

Jim will be forgotten as the Diogenes of the 21st century.

If they both are forced to consume hemlock then yes I am willing to make that claim.

This

this

Stefan Molyneux and Alain de Button.

>actually believing only right wing philosophers matter

BTW Jordan Peterson is a bit of a hack, you know this because some of his views are subtly gynocentric and misandrist, for instance if there actually are feminists keeping you down, which is very likely if you're newly divorced or have a STEM degree, then assigning responsibility to you isn't just unfair and but gynocentric due to expecting white men to fight (not literally), since women can only find men who fight attractive.

When you recognise this, realise he not only educated young, female psychologists but would have been educated by them. This is why I feel he isn't aware how tainted his views are, it always felt wrong but now I know for sure, his ideology is definitely motivated by female sexuality and as he's a straight man that's very fishy.

Jordan Peterson is a hack.

Mike Enoch and Richard Spencer.

>molyneux
maybe pre trump molyneux after years of polish

Right wing leader and right wing leader.

Guise. Ethnonationalism is not an important contribution to human thought, it's tribalism with a prettier name. Richard Spencer isn't even a hack, he's just a right wing demagogue who can lead right wing people.

Shit, "that Australian libertarian shitposter" is arguably more important than him just because he's making arguments that are actually reusable, that normies actually find acceptable and that actually move us towards our goals. The alt right are just divisive cunts, we don't need groups we just need to point fingers at Marxists and crowdfund helicopters.

/rant

National socialists are also socialists and also go out the left side.

>Polish

Isn't he Canadian?

Autistotle and Scooterbeast

I wonder (((who))) could be behind signaling against such an exclusionary system towards Jews as National Socialism is...

Really activates those pistachios.

Literally the "everyone who isn't Nazi is a Jew or a Jew shill" tinfoil shit, I couldn't give a fuck about Jews. Bootlickers are collectivists are usually tribal are subject to stupid identarian politics. It's a nihilism, they feel they can't succeed on their own in the competitive market so they need big daddy government to help their ethnicity along. Ethnonationalism!

How about you don't call me a jew because I'm ancap enough to want to see Nazis fly? Anyone who thinks they can just make things easy with force are invited to try out free flying lessons, we'll just force that ability to fly!

>I'm a cuck who can't see my own shortcomings
and blame everyone else for my failures.
Clean up your room nigger.

So everyone is just supposed to "wake up" one day and see the light?

If you don't play identity politics, identity politics plays you.

You're still deferring from my arguments and points and implications and trying to make this about me and my short comings, Jordan Peterson's entire "clean your room" thing is a fucking joke! Think about what actually plagues young white men, whether it's rape accusations or the fact there's a new article every week written by the same fucking gamergate journalists which literally
>hey HR women with similar degrees to me and similar attitudes, please don't hire white men in STEM, thank you

But sure.

It's white men that simply need to take responsibility. I'm glad he knows just what to say to make the womans ginnies tingle, a man who would step up and slay Marxism, to take responsibility and defeat the problems that actually plagues the mental health of our society, yes, he would be very attractive. Kind of like a solipsistic super hero.

Actually listen to this cunt next time. You're all so mislead and diverted because he says pretty things about dragons! Sophistry!

And even Molyneux cucks to him.

No, just we are, we will be better for it worst case scenario and best case scenario we control the most inclusive ideological movement that's still relevant, which is whatever contrarian movement arose against authoritarian feminism.

Everyone else can live wretched, horrid lives or learn from our examples.

Blue pilled fat cunts who make money being 'too hot for old media' this is a disgrace.

Lefties utterly hate Sargon for his views on Islam.

Except instead of dying from hemlock he dies from Doritos and mtn dew

>Jordan Peterson's entire "clean your room" thing is a fucking joke!
It's a metaphor you fucking idiot, with a hint of practical advice. Create order in your life, start small.

It might be because I'm a traditionalist, but I don't see anything wrong or "misandrist" about the fact that women find men who stand up for themselves or what they believe in more attractive.

>BTW Jordan Peterson is a bit of a hack, you know this because some of his views are subtly gynocentric and misandrist

This. As much as I like Peterson, he capitulates in the face of a young, female student group with feminist ideals. He refuses to address the issues brought about by an easy and profitable divorce system, and ends up blaming men for getting divorced. Or, completely misses the point altogether and thinks men who hate our current divorce system are just "insecure and afraid of commitment". I've gotta say, he lost a lot of my respect when he said that.

A dark day that one was.

He's right though. If your love for another woman and commitment to her cannot surpass your fear of losing wealth in divorce then your insecurities are the least of your problems.

If she doesn't have this same love and commitment then you have bad judgement for marrying her. If you see the love and commitment in good judgement and refuse to act out of fear of divorce then you are controlled by fear and lack commitment and love.

No

Go ahead keep telling yourself that in the face of the ever rising and increasing MGTOWs.

No dude.

His entire solution to the Marxist feminism problem is "take responsibility," at first glance I didn't connect the two, it sounds close to the neomodernism spouted here, but then I realised it either means "slay the Marxists" or it means "the Marxists don't exist."

We have suspected Molyneux for being a Jew, southern for all sorts of things, but we forget Jordan Peterson is a soft scientist.

Yes, but that's because it's exceptional, I guess I overlooked it myself because there's nothing wrong with women being attracted to that, but now I'm relatively sure it's female sexuality in his philosophy.

Why are you so unwilling to question if Jordan Peterson is a Manchurian infiltrator programmed by an entire class of 80% female psychology students?

I'm 90% sure he at least believes he's on our side.

I'm wondering if this is what that hateful, resentful third wave feminism is slipping into and will ultimately result in mimicking Sup Forums style neomodernism. It's the complex philosophies I'm anxious about becoming popular, you're so likely to misuse it. Please just become libertarians, feminists, that's so simple you just can't fuck it up, people do best when you leave them alone. Please leave the Sisyphusian stuff right alone until you realise in what direction it's meant to be applied (hint, NEVER outwards!).

Whatever, I don't trust Jordan Peterson, I don't trust anyone who knows all the ways society can fuck young men and still thinks harping responsibility is the option.

>He's right...[Sophistry that completely lacks any self awareness]...the least of your problems.
First you convince us that reproduction isn't the strongest biological urge after hunger.

>If she doesn't have this same love and commitment... [Literally more shit that fucks with the character limit] ...and love.
And here it's yet again completely the responsibility of the man, fulfilling the female fantasy of sexuality simply happening to her.

>If your love for another woman and commitment to her cannot surpass your fear of losing wealth in divorce then your insecurities are the least of your problems.

You'll lose your wealth, your property, your children, and be reduced to a slave paying alimony lest you be jailed for failing to make payments. All of this on a whim of a woman. Insecurity has nothing to do with it.

>If she doesn't have this same love and commitment then you have bad judgement for marrying her.

If you can predict another person's behavior 5, 10, 20 years down the line, you'd better be playing the stock market.

>if you fear jumping off a cliff, you are controlled by your fear

I'd rather burn down the court system first before I delude myself with that nonsense.

Jordan chickened out in the face of prime pussy.

>being this cucked.

Ya blew it.

>will these guys be remembered in 5 years

no.

>MGTOW is still a thing

guess it's still the only way for easily manipulated "men"

I will. I have no reason to fear betrayal because I don't marry women I pick up at a bar. I'll enjoy my Pentecostal QT and you can remain bitter and afraid of commitment until you are dead.

No, I think Jordan was programmed by female psychology students. His philosophy is riddled with their solipsistic desires, please alt-lite Sup Forums, show us your pretty face and slay the Marxism so we can slick late at night knowing there's at least one guy out there who passed the globalist female collective shit test.

No, I've said it before, I've had women agree, normies agree, everyone except feminists who actually say something similar. Winning is simply pointing out this shit so people effected by it can recognise it and maybe overcome it.

>Molymeme

lol are you guys fucking serious

>I'm 90% sure he at least believes he's on our side.

I'm sure he believes that, as well. He seemed to want to strike some kind of middle-ground to appeal to both sides, but it fell flat. I can't be too hard on him though. He's pretty good for a leaf.

But, as much as he would like to believe he is enlightened in all respects, he is definitely old-school with that idiotic "just take responsibility" bullshit. Amusingly enough, the "Just take responsibility" folks are taking the easy way out. It's far harder to actually confront the system and change it.

And Alain de Button.

Want to fight?

>No, I think Jordan was programmed by female psychology students. His philosophy is riddled with their solipsistic desires, please alt-lite Sup Forums, show us your pretty face and slay the Marxism so we can slick late at night knowing there's at least one guy out there who passed the globalist female collective shit test.

He's a leaf and an academic, so he hasn't entirely escaped the clusterfuck that is the modern university. He really is a strange amalgamation of ideas, and he tries to reconcile his "chivalry" with that of feminist ideas. Too bad he doesn't get that his idea of "chivalry" completely throws him at the mercy of his female students.

Oh well, still not bad for a leaf.

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Remember when """Molymeme""" named the jew to his face?

When is the last time YOU showed your face and exposed your political opinions faggot?

lmao peterson is a hack because hes not MGTOW?
Where he fucks up seems to be his criticisms of post modernism desu.

criminally underrated

The kike sounds exactly like Cernovich

There can't be middle ground to aggressive ideologies, it's an attack on people they don't like and in this case it's mostly nerdy guys, STEM opportunity redistribution and video game journalism. When you recognise how obviously fuelled by hate feminists are, especially since on some level they know they are a brand of nerdy girl and not much better, it becomes obvious it's an ideology of pure aggression and hatred.

With this in mind, any middle ground must mean some cruelty towards young men especially if they're nerdy, all they want at this stage is cruelty towards them.

It's not fair to say there must be compromise and that men must take even an iota of responsibility in this conflict, how dare you when everything about this is just envy, resentment and sexual confusion.

No, this whole thing is a reaction to being hated!

I'm not familiar with what he's said about chivalry, although I'm starting to understand.

Jordan Peterson is not a bad guy, he did nothing wrong, but he needs some scepticism.

Do you know what post modernism is? As an art form it's the unrelatable, 2deep4u stuff. As a philosophy, it's mostly nihilistic although they would disagree somewhat. It's not good, it's literally a subvert criticism of Nietzsche with no real reason besides "because he feeels wrong."

And mgtow are disgusting, there's nothing wrong with women, our culture just has some absurdities, some gynocentrism that's going soon anyway and also they let PUA paranoia absolutely destroy dating. Half of my best friends are women, like any well adjusted man (thank you very much).

I think you are misunderstanding him on his ideas of men&women

On post-modernism it seems like he hasnt actually read the philosophy like he always cites this secondary source explaining it instead of direct quotes. Need to see him debate it vs someone that really understands it. It doesn't really matter though because hes still 100% on his criticisms of SJWs which is what matters it just opens him to being disregarded by people.

Yo man. What? why is that boogie guy on a scooter? Does he have a serious health issue other than obesity?

If he doesn't, then I need you to be men for a minute and look at this. This is a man who allowed himself to become SO FAT that he rides a neon purple scooter around to network with other less fat/but still fat people, who make videos for fat people, for the most part.

So like how can you blame people for doing meth when like this is the social reality of the world they live in? Its a pig in a shirt on a tricycle. So yeah. NO.

Fucking faggots.

strong points, the system we exist crafts our survival strategies. Divorce is easy and heavily favors the female. a simple cost benefit analysis with 50% rate of losing your kids, house, and money for the rest of your life or many years depending on what state you live in . Is a major factor in why men arent settling down the way they used to. Taking responsibility and finding the right one arent constructive towards fixing the systemic issues we are facing. People can change over 15-20 years since you were married and you're gambling on them not changing for the worse. coupled with a media blitz against getting married , espcially whites, and we have the problem we currently find ourselves. Most middle age men , tell me never to get married and all my generation needs to look at was the wreckage of our fathers generation in the amount of divorces that occurred. I'm pro marriage and want to start a family. But its strikingly ignorant to not realize that the system needs a change

Because of other interests of mine, I have an easier time distinguishing what I'm currently proceeding on are the artistic and philosophical states since the renaissance; baroque, classical, romantic, modern, post modern, contemporary. I'd love to have a discussion with him about this, but I really am a nobody so it'd be kind of weird. Being a shitposter doesn't make me famous, heh.

>strong points, the system we exist crafts our survival strategies.
Or to accommodate lapses in survival strategies.

>Divorce is easy and heavily favors the female. a simple cost benefit analysis with 50% rate of losing your kids, house, and money for the rest of your life or many years depending on what state you live in
Which is a result of the system, a system that seems to assume women don't work and rely on men one moment, when it suits them, and the next they have better than equal rights to work and even for a better pay.

This is the system, you can't blame someone for jerking if it feels good.

>People can change over 15-20 years since you were married and you're gambling on them not changing for the worse.
People truly change generationally, if you want to create someone radically different then raise someone radically different and that's exactly what the authoritarian feminists have been doing in my state since the 90s.

>But its strikingly ignorant to not realize that the system needs a change
The system changes when feminists recognise their hatred, at least the dumb ones.. maybe with loud, squeaky voices.

I'm confident things are rolling and all we have to do is lightly guide things back to something based around some balance of rationality and interestingness. Philosophy might be just a fringe interest but its effects on art and subsequent effects on the wider consciousness is striking.

Yeah you and what helicopter you fucking poorfag, re read your post and you might realize you're shilling the same shit you're condemning with a new coat of paint. Gas yourself

Sargon of Akkad, aka "that cuck who spammed nigger porn on twitter because he got triggered"

I've seen this exact text before word for word. Fuck off shill.

I'm shilling some form of redistribution? No, you little fucker, tell me what I'm shilling. If I'd argue for redistribution it'd be in some meritocratic way or some subtle eugenics.

Cool, post the link.

Until then, please stop using Australian proxies.

I'm not behind a proxy you dumb cunt, I've seen that exact format of wording used by shills copy pasting it over and over to criticise Peterson.

BAWDUHS LANGUITCH CULTCHA

Peterson is in fact, a hack.

Sam harris exposed him as an intellectual fraud. Ive never heard of a scholar being so btfo hes left speechless for over a minute.

That literally happebed when sam harris embarrassed peterson in a debate on "truth".

I still rather enjoyed petersons motivational works. However, the more i listen to him the more it becomes apparent to me that peterson is such a hack who believes productivity and status are the be all and end of all humanity.

Its all he seems to talk about. Every lecture he gives comes back around to either god, being productive, or raisng your status to increase your chances of mating.

Thats all he talks about. Hes very shallow. A hack. A fraud. Not a deep thinker. Peterson is a walking meme who talks incessantly about dominance hierarchy while he himself being a lowly teacher and idol of fat neckbearded anike fapping low IQ greasy virgin losers on the net.

Some dominance hierarchy you got there peterson.

hay dumbass i know your a day behind Ausfailia, but tribalism doesn't just end because we choose to ignore it, especially if we have so many different races.

there are some races that are genetically inferior than others, and just because its taboo to talk about doesn't mean it shouldnt

Read your post again. You sound insane.

>"clean your room" thing is a fucking joke!
except its not and its an argument he uses not as a sole motivator for young men but also as a criticism for all the liberal leftists out there, who clearly cant clean their room yet think they know how to run the world economy. the point is that you shouldnt criticise or dictate other peoples life when you cant bring yourself in order, e.g. simply cleaning you room. if you cant do that you are in no position to have a superior opinion.

It's me.

I swear on whatever is holy that I might be the most voluntarily plagiarized person of the 21st century though, that's the only benefit of any doubt you get. I contend it's possible my posts are archived and reused whenever it fits whoever finds my posts.

More likely international Marxist organisations have recognised Australians as particularly resistant or particularly trollish about leftist stuff. More likely, you, as well as the cuck spammer, are those by any means necessary types using Australian proxies.

Whatever you're playing at, you've failed to provide links.

Definitely not a fraud, only plausibly a hack, it's also possible he's genuine and I'm simply wrong, it was just a random neomodernism thing.

It ends if on an intellectual level you can see it's not advantageous, after that it only exists on a biological or psychological level and can then be self analysed instead of accused of by others.

Wise up nigga, sort yourself out.

If you weren't able to judge the quality of your woman as capable of divorcing you and fleecing you then you haven't spent enough time to get married.

Wisen up.

Who are his audiences? Who's listening to him? That's who receives the commandment to clean their room, and the only lefties who listen to him were forced to through his class.

If not, then he's yet another idiot preaching to choirs.

No i think you're just a peterson dick rider. Surprised you didn't tell me to clean my room kid

Sam vs Peterson was boring.

Peterson's most important contribution is probably the exposure of post modernism and cultural marxism as nihilistic and destructive.

And despite your conclusion all you do is repeat yourself with emotional adjectives. Not very persuasive.

The truth debate was stalled by Sam's unwillingness to discuss the possibility of a truth that is other than scientific truth.

Jp was speechless because Sam was repeatedly using the same argument over and over again, even after PJ explained it many times.

What are the taxes in Estonia?
And are big business jobs English language?

Social tax is quite high and salaryes low. But so is the cost of living. If you have some secondary income that's in line with what the rest of the word makes, you'll be very comfortable.

A lot are, depends on the field and business, but from what I see most international businesses here have their internal language English.

Also almost all Estonians have under 30 speak English.