Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Nathan Cook
After such acts of evil, communist are still the genocidal 'bad guys'
Isaac Wilson
You are a faggot. Just imagining what you look like is making me almost cry from laughter. I don't want you to die, I just wish I could see how short and pathetic your life is
Levi Butler
just imagine the kind of genocidal freaks those commies were, so as to force the average citizen to grab a pitchfork and go lynchin'
Jeremiah Green
Daily reminder that there has never been a successful socialist nation.
It ain't evil to genocide the genociders.
Asher Parker
"To each according to his contribution" is a principle of distribution considered to be one of the defining features of socialism.
The principle has its roots in the way that capitalism manages its affairs. That is, each is rewarded according to how much he produces. Remuneration increases as the amount of labor contributed increases. However within capitalism, the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce, but rather live off the labor of others. Socialism is said to remedy this by putting the means of production in common hands and rewarding individuals according to their contributions.
Aaron Ramirez
Just imagine what kind of a sad, evil, pathetic, immoral, hypocrite, despicable, double crossing, revolting, genocidal poor excuse of a human being you must be for people to tie you to a tree and lynch you. Communists are worth less than the air that they breathe in during they life time. Communist is the lowest form of life on this earth, a worm that you put on a fish hook is worth more to a society than a communist. Every day, my belief that human rights should not apply to communists. Communists are not even human, they should be protected only by general wildlife laws, if even that
Ethan Bennett
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Jason Martinez
Somebody post the one about cuckoldry. The part about the penis withering away made me kek like you wouldn't believe
Kevin Richardson
Communism sucks.
Logan Allen
>Every day, my belief that human rights should not apply to communists. Communists are not even human You clearly sound like an humanitarian.
Communism is the most human stage of society, humanity is no longer at the mercy of their economy, instead, the means of productions are in mercy of the needs of the people.
I respectfully encourage the shitposters in this thread to stop having such a reduccionist view of ideology and of history in general.
>classes are a social construct. destroy them >my ideology is a social construct. follow it wew lad
Isaac Wilson
While i do agree that capitalism has many flaws, not all of these deaths are because of capitalism.
Ayden Bailey
>Capitalism.
Cameron Young
fuck commies
Nathaniel Lewis
Fuck Capitalists
Christian Green
fug off filthy gapitalist big you scum will die in gulags filthy reactionaries.
Jonathan Phillips
>communism
Brayden Ross
>every day my belief that human rights should not aply to communists grows stronger Sorry for fuckong up the sentance, sorry you are too stupid to figure out what it should have said
Wyatt Moore
Just being againt capitalism doesn't make you a commie
Bentley Gonzalez
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Gabriel Bailey
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Bentley Sanders
Daily reminder that there has never been a successful socialist society.
William Peterson
Capitalism is not the most perfect thing, but it is much more better than fucking Russian communist shit. People should worship socialism system that people got in Sweden, Scandinavia is like the most developed region in the world. People start worship communism when they suck at life, can't get things they want or just don't want to work hard enough and think they there must be "equality", wake up, OP, communism is bullshit.
Jackson Allen
How's Venezuela doing???
Henry Peterson
Hmmm...capitalism kills people en mass, communism kills people en mass, it sounds like we need a third position.
Hudson Morris
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Camden James
in your fucking dreams moron My parents lived in a commie state and it's not fun, least of all for the commoners.
Ryan Gomez
it's a trap
Jonathan Collins
>give me your redpills /leftypol/ Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages. The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people, so what ends up happening is that millions of proles sweat their lives away while the porky bastards windsurf in Hawaii. To put it in terms you might be more familiar with, capitalists are the ultimate welfare queens. >my stance on hatred of jews and niggers will never change. To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. That said, those "jews" and "evil niggers" are your natural allies regardless of what you think about them, because they are being exploited just like you are. The leftist position on racism is as much about pragmatism as it is about a commitment to equality.
The basic gist is that capitalism is inherintly broken. Companies want to make as much money as possible which means paying works the smallest amount possible. Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses. Currently with automation we are going to see a huge loss of jobs that will make the concept of full employment obsolete - so who is going to buy things? Communism isn't some grand fucking conspiracy about race or western civilization - its just a question of economics.
Jonathan Edwards
muh turd positionism
Levi Davis
Except the third reich. And that was Hitleristic socialism. The reason marxist socialism never worked is because ut cannot work. You Will learn this as you get older, maybe.
Jose Peterson
>Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses. this never ever happened before, excluding wars
Jordan Roberts
Do you really believe this bullship? Commies were killing people for stupidest things and majority of people were living in poverty while the fucking top were getting all they shit they wanted. It's so fucking funny u guys are so naive.
Ian White
> and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said
Yea just look at Cuba. State totaly withered away
Gabriel Jenkins
>Except the third reich That is true, but I generally tend to use the Marxist definition to avoid confusion. You're not wrong though.
Jordan Lopez
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Camden Torres
there's always enough room for people to start a business and work their way up, but you wouldn't know shit about that would you
Is a different beast now, I ate today at Mcdonald's and there were already those robotic panels, soon it will be totally automatic restaurant even the cooking
Julian Roberts
so by forcing society towards never having to work again we're not doing the right thing interesting conclusion
Isaac Smith
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Ayden Hall
If people have no jobs how will they buy stuff... that's the point in this case
Jason Brown
Why wouldn't we have jobs?
Robert Howard
dude if you have free labour and you find a way to have infinite resources, which we eventually will, it's exactly what you want ...
Hudson Green
how is ''we'', the proletarians or the capitalists?
Brandon Campbell
Everyone, the distinction between capitalists and worker would become meaningless, and there would be no reason nor feasible method for the capitalist to withhold the technology from the worker by that point.
Brayden Cruz
How do you solve the stateless, ownerless, market less, organized production paradox?
Without markets or central planning, production can't be efficient. With planning society can't be stateless/classless. Unplanned markets can only arise with a concept of private ownership.
How can communism exist?
Benjamin Foster
>Whites Ya right
Isaiah Reed
I have though of a cybernetic network infrastructure (a secure network that protects all of the community) , a computerized planned economy system for the socialist phase designed to control society and guide it towards the communist society goal and possibly the use of eugenics and a naturally complete reshape of culture in the sense that children born in this society will see it just as natural as we see our current one, it could take centuries.
Aiden Lee
>that children born in this society will see it just as natural as we see our current one Wouldn't matter, you'd have to undo millions of years of evolution to get the proper results, by which point humanity wouldn't exist.
Leo Stewart
Fact: the guy hanged by his feet on the FP image is a member of the ÁVO, Hungary's communist secret police. The picture was takin in 1956. The ÁVO, notorious for being almost entirely jewish in its leadership and cadre of investigators, spent nearly 7 years torturing and occasionaly murdering Hungarians for various real and imagined transgressions against the communist rule (ie: for resisting getting their stuff stolen and redistributed to Soviet Russia, and the jewish communists in Hungary).
So when shit like what's desciriebed on that image happened to the members of the ÁVO in those glorious days, it was justice well served.
The only shame is that we couldn't catch 'em all.
Nathaniel Gray
>utopian computer recognizes communism is retarded and reshapes the retarded communists into facist
Camden Nguyen
So magic is your solution?
Why fight for communism now? If communism even could produce the technology it couldn't possibly go as fast as capitalism.
You should support whatever achieves your magic robot fantasy the fastest, not attempt to implement it before the infrastructure exists.
Also, you didn't solve the paradox, try again.
Camden Perry
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis
Jordan Smith
>Imblyign a gommunist egnonomy wud du any better
Justin Nguyen
We all know you are the same Spaniard, your ideology killed many innocent people.
Luis Reed
>killed >many >innocent >people
Whew, lad.
Landon Nguyen
My sides...
Lincoln Davis
>without markets or central planning, production can't be efficient
According to what?
A centrally planned economy cannot be anything other than classless, with democratically held means of production.
Brody Barnes
Let me guess, all gommie countries were a glorious paradise...
Dominic Walker
The only point at which the economy did not grow during the Soviet Period was WWII, but thankfully the fascist menace was put down. In fact, the Soviet economy grew quicker than America's did from Brezhnev to the end of the Union.
Isaac Anderson
>A centrally planned economy cannot be anything other than classless, with democratically held means of production. You are falsely equating centrally planned economies with democratic socialist economies. You can have democratic socialist economies that aren't centrally planned, and you can have state capitalistic economies that are centrally planned.
John Johnson
Then all those deaths attributed to "communism" cannot be right either.
Aiden Hernandez
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Jose Lewis
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Alexander Sanders
Um, centrally planned economy defines classes, planners and receivers.
Usually the planners starve the receivers to death.
Not classless
Camden Anderson
You are making a distinction without a difference. In my post, it is obvious that you need both. According to the Marxist model, the means of production should be democratically held, and centrally planned. If you want to call it something else, it makes no difference to me.
Colton Ramirez
This level of autism is pretty sad Spanish user.
Sebastian Lopez
Hmmm...capitalism kills people en mass, communism kills people en mass, it sounds like we need a third position.
Ryan Thompson
What about Austrian manlet of war declarations and genocide?
Jose Ross
Why does a centrally planned economy come close to defining that?
And what incentive would the planners have for starving the receivers?
Andrew Lee
You said "a centrally planned economy cannot be anything other than classless" when that is obviously false, if you wanted to specify that you were speaking only about the ideal communist society then you should have elaborated.
Brandon Ross
That's National Socialism, not fascism. Fascism like a more authoritarian version of national syndicalism.
Cameron Morales
Lmao fuck off and die you marxist dog.
Tyler Ross
You left out the second part of my statement because your reasoning skills are poor. But you are right, I should have been clearer about what I was speaking.
James Baker
How is that Thousand Year Reich going?
Jackson Hill
And what about the imperialism and the conquering of other nations?
Carter Johnson
>You left out the second part of my statement "A centrally planned economy cannot be anything other than classless, with democratically held means of production." That's what you said. That's ALL you said.
Josiah Williams
>And what about the imperialism and the conquering of other nations? Most fascist nations did not partake in that, while Mussolini did, Salazar, Franco, and Peron did not.
Grayson Butler
Yes, but democratically held means of production was an important qualifier. Your choice to ignore that does not seem reasonable.
Caleb Lewis
Mussolini was the one that wrote the book on fascism, though.
Ethan Garcia
I didn't ignore it, your statement as you made it literally said that you cannot have a centrally planned economy that isn't classless and democratic. You didn't even say "for it to be real communism" at the end or anything.
Angel Cook
God damn, this a great post. Godspeed user. The only good commie is the dead commie
Kevin Carter
He wrote half of the book, yes, but the Doctrine of Fascism and Mussolini's personal actions as a fascist dictator do not always align. Fascism isn't defined by the actions of Mussolini, but rather by the ideology itself, similar to how Marx may not have been a worker but Marxism is a thing.
Elijah Jackson
Also, Franco toyed with the idea of invading Portugal. And Metaxas was a crypto-fascist too, but Italy declared war on Greece anyway. Nationalists seem conveniently blind when it comes to the matter of how nationalism grows. Protip: it's by denying somebody else THEIR nationalism.
Nolan Wright
Marx was a journalist. Journalists aren't workers?
