Two words; Class Mobility. Capitalism has no class mobility. Think about it. We the proletariat are predestined to be who were are before birth just like how the bourgeois are predestined to be the scum they are. For example you look the Bushes, you look at the Rockefeller, the Rothschild's, they were all predestined to be rich. Now you look at guys like me or you. For example my grandfather was a lawyer, my dad is a lawyer, and i was pushed into becoming one since age 3 but it doesn't look i will end up able to be one. In communism since every corporation is run by the state there can be a NO-NEPOTISM law where everything is done meritocratically. Shouldn't we have the best of the best be our CEOs rather than some jerkoff who was born to a rich dad like Billy Madison?
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Communism has tons of class mobility, everyone becomes poor.
You need professional help.
But you can become rich by becoming a general
Explain
Yes, capitalism is survival of the fittest while it takes care of the poor. Get over it, loser.
>capitalism
>takes care of the poor
Read a book loser.
Why don't you just invent something or become a general under capitalism? Could it be you're a alazy deadbeat?
Because you have to be part of the upper class to get into a high up military job. For example google any general and go to wiki and click "childhood". You will find every single one grew up in a "wealthy household" and were sent to some expensive military prep school.
About inventing something that's a literal lol. You can't expect 8 billion people to invent something since we don't all have 150 IQs.
Because communism totally takes care of the poor. The only real ideology that works is National Socialism.
Yeah, rich bloodlines exist but it's not impenetrable. Anyone can be rich if they're lucky or talented enough. I don't think it's unfair to deny a child their birthright because someone simply can't be them. If I become rich then I'd want to pass down my wealth to my children because I love them rather than watching them struggle from rock bottom and struggle to achieve my level of wealth if they do so at all.
>Capitalism has no class mobility.
lmfao only if you're a worthless shitter who doesn't apply himself haha
>there can be a NO-NEPOTISM law where everything is done meritocratically.
ahahahah ok, and the NO-MURDER law means murders will never happen, right? this is your brain on communism
You're totally not messing with me.
How do you reconcile the fact that modern communists have ruined Marx's ideas?
it's nothing but fags, feminists, and self hating whites. they dont care about the actual working class anymore, all they care about is muh POC and muh oppression
Well maybe some people don't want to watch their children struggle while the bourgoise get a free ride
Yeah sure totally, if only everyone worked harder everyone would be a trickle down trillionare hahahaha
So the hundreds of times communism has killed its own people "for the greater good" and violently spread its influence is how you care for the poor? Communism can barely feed the poor because it becomes a bureaucratic hellhole and nothing gets distributed correctly.
>Capitalism has no class mobility
But that's wrong you retard. Class mobility may not be easy but it is certainly possible. The issue with communism is that it relies entirely on an interim step between true communism which is utopian and capitalism but whether or not it is possible to move from the interim step to true communism is debatable. Put simply true communism has never been tried and may not even be possible, every attempt at communism has failed to pass the dictatorship of the proletariat phase.
Marx was a feminist fyi but i do agree that modern communists don't seem to care much about economics anymore it's all about virtue signaling
I never said everyone should work harder dumbass, it's about working smart which niggers and degenerates are fundamentally incapable of doing
No he wasn't, he disliked feminism because all it wants to do is "empower" women to be slaves of capitalists
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>implies that communism shows signs of meritocracy.
Ha but no. Not really, the elite is established just like in any other form of political-social system and as a rule it becomes secular to rest of populace, doesn't mix alot with it.
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lol idiot. I know several high up military men and women from lower middle class upbringings. They were just smart and worked hard.
Fucking lazy teeny bopper reading daddy's first gommunizms. Fuck outta here.
>Yeah sure totally, if only everyone worked harder everyone would be a trickle down trillionare hahahaha
That's literally true though
>but it doesn't look i will end up able to be one
typical communist refusing to take responsibility for their own failures.
How will you use this argument when automation has reached a point where there are few jobs and most products require only the press of a button?
haha wow! capitalists are amazing! they only used child labor until it was illegal because theyre so awesome!
That's due to Stalin though, Lenin was the chill one
Well that's due to assholes in charge. If only lenin was in charge
Well sorry we aren't all 162IQ
Wrong. Marx said "you can judge a progression of a society by the social position of the opposite gender".
>snek flag
Troll confirmed
Nice bait
Most communist leaders grew up poor though
Why would you want to force someone else child to struggle but don't want your own to? It just seems like hatred toward people who are simply luckier than you. They didn't do anything wrong so why try to tear them down?
There's still supply and demand in communism. In fact in capitalism is where demand is skewed because say there is a SUPER high demand for water or food but the people have no money to afford it, the market judges food and water as low demand.
Capitalism is nowhere near that simple.
>inb4 not real capitalism
>He doesn't know
Okay. Don't you have summer reading to do?
Has communism even been tested before.
I mean, capitalism has been tested and it works.
Why can't we all accept the fact that capitalism works when most first world countries are capitalist.
>too retarded to excel in capitalism
>thinks he's smart enough to pull off communism
I wonder why you commies get mad whenever I call you retarded when you literally admit it
>civic nationalism
>it's Joe the plumber's fault that he has to care for his aging mother and family and can't find any job so he'll probably never be a millionaire
life's not fair. stop being a faggot, work hard, and make good choices and you will succeed. stop being a loser asking for gibs.
I was born a poor little white boy to a poor white family. I got my masters in occupational therapy now I make $78k a year. I am currently working on my Doctorate in Occupational therapy which will push me into the very low six figure range. From a family that could not even afford to send me to that damn Washington D.C. field trip. I have zero student loan debt at the moment as well. My GI bill coverd my bachelors and working full time covered my masters. Now I have more money then I know what to do with.
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Mexico has roads?
You can tell that commies only care about money because they act like you cannot have a fulfilling life without it- if you spouted this 'class mobility' bullcrap in front of a hardworking man who has provided for his family and led a valued life, he would laugh at you.
No actually. Thats literally not true.
Because im not mentally ill. You blaming yourself for your failures should be enough to institutionalize you for mental illness since it's a huge redflag for depression and low esteem.
Nepotism has become more prevalent in our society due to the amount of cheap labor shipped in by your commie overlords. We don't have the ability to start from the bottom anymore. Why? We can't live on what they are paying. Immigrants can because they benefit from socialists programs which give them housing and such. The rest of us scratch and claw for what we have and naturally our parents want to help. Thus the rise of nepotism.
Also why can't you become a lawyer and why is that everyone else's fault?
>Wrong. Marx said "you can judge a progression of a society by the social position of the opposite gender".
all communists have to do is drop this social progressivism like the soviets did and it would explode in america
Because you can make everyone elses life a little bit better via redistribution
No
Capitalism has failed every single time
That's a myth, he was born rich from the start
Shut up loser, stop blaming yourself for everything.
>78k a year
Bro you just proved your point. Yeah that's ok money but i mean like we will never run the means of production. I mean be like part of the elite class
I'm not tlaking about providing for your family. I could easily do that off inheritance since im going to inherit like a million dollars. I'm talking about actually running the means of production! That's true freedom, running the factories.
>posts bait thread
>Roll plays as a gommunist
>Claims that I am trolling
Also Rockefeller was poor as fuck and his father was a con man
>Also why can't you become a lawyer and why is that everyone else's fault?
Because i did shit in high-school. It's not everyones fault i can't be a lawyer, but say i did good in school I would become a lawyer aka a slave to corporations.
Because you are roleplaying as a libertarian/capitalist when you're obviously baiting. You know that capitalism doesn't work.
capitalism has class mobility what are you talking about ? You wouldn't know it reading Keynesian research. They only take snapshots of the population as a whole and don't track the movement of individual/households and their wealth.
>Capitalism has no class mobility.
Wtf we have ridiculous amounts of it.
My mother grew up homeless, I grew up in a nice house and paid my own way through college, my child will grow up in a nicer house and have his college paid for.
What you are describing, generational job roles, is fundamentally anti capitalist.
Also, CEO =\= owner
Why does that mean you'd become a lawyer? Grow some balls and do what you want.
but capitalism works. Free enterprise is nice. You can make choices with capitalism, the idea of "we are not equal till it sucks for everyone" doesnt apply
Grow some balls, you can't "do what you want" in a capitalist land
You will never become the owner of the means of production
Oh really, well sorry but a system like capitalism DOESNT WORK. It only works for the upper class.
>mfw he thinks I am pretending to be pro-capitalist
>Shut up loser, stop blaming yourself for everything
right in the feels.
seriously though. communism is nigger tier economics.
>give up all rights and money earned by work
>get same amount of money you would get if you didn't work
>stop working
>government puts you in gulag, because everyone stoped working
>once more a slave to the system
So what do you want to do? I bet I could tell you exactly how to do it.
Learn history, dumbass.
I see were you are coming from. I understand my 78k a year salary will never buy me a mansion or put me in a position of political importance. But it affords me the ability to do whatever I want to do in life. I'm used to working 65 hour weeks pouring concrete ( that is probably the normal hour week for a commi) but now I work 40 hours at the most. I spend the bulk of my life hanging out with my wife and kids, fishing, hunting,and lurking pol
>Has communism even been tested before
Communism has never been established. It has been attempted several times.
>capitalism has been tested and it works.
lol
>since we all don't have 150 IQs
So....not everyone is equal???
>be like part of the elite class
Thats the problem with you all commies wanna be, every single western faggot that calls himself a commie thinks that if communism is pulled off in the west they will be somehow part of the elite/ruling class, but not a single one of you delussional motherfuckers want to be part of the working class, nobody want to be proletariat
In short is just like this man saidYou didnt succeed in a capitalist economy, now you want to take what is not yours by force because you are too retarded to achieve it by yourself, every commie must be shot in the spot, you are all just lazy and retatded
>Yeah that's ok money but i mean like we will never run the means of production. I mean be like part of the elite class
Those aren't the same thing
A contract worker owns the means of production
A guy making 3d printed parts own the means of production
A guy putting on a local festival owns the means of production.
The elite DO NOT own the means of production.
They invest.
They loan money to others, who make money, and pay them more.
This is even how stocks work, even though stocks are a form of ownership. You buy 100 in stocks, the company does well and your 100 is worth 200.
The absurdly rich can't get there by starting small?
Jobs, gates, Zuckerberg, oprah
Communism has loads of class mobility.
Everyone moves to the bottom rung of being half educated, half fed, and half clothed.
It's truly egalitarian.
No ones denying your a capitalist, but everyone agrees if you have capitalism you need strong regulations to regulate the shit out of these companies
I would prefer if we didn't have to work
I would want to be an investment banker or run a law firm. That's my ideal but i know that can't happen.
Learn history and economics dumbass
>Well that's due to assholes in charge.
Assholes every single solitary time? Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, Warsaw pact countries, Yugoslavia. Every single one of them failed to pass the dictatorship of the proletariat phase and yet you think this time it will magically work on what grounds?
>You will never become the owner of the means of production
I owned my own business and sold it to buy a house.
>if communism is pulled off in the west they will be somehow part of the elite/ruling class
If communism was "pulled off" there would be no ruling class, that's kind of the point.
My ideal system would be so that people like you can actually have important disision making process
Nope.
can you give us some examples of how you have applied communism in your daily life and the blessings you have received as a result?
this is something you should be able to do without mentioning capitalism, seeing as how communism is such a great idea and all
>my great granfather was a factory worker and my grandfather was the officer of a nuclear submarine and eventually became a CEO of a nuclear power plant.
>My other grandfather was a lower middle class lawyer, and my father moved to the upper middle class as a lawyer.
I have seem people get rich and become poor -in relativity to the average person in society-
>I would prefer if we didn't have to work
i don't think anyone would, but that's not realistic.
Except i am very intelligent, you're dumb if you excell in capitalism they love slaves
In capitalism you exploit others, in communism you work for what you earn. Only stupid excell in capitalism
When a faggot like me rose up from the slums in this country, to have a very decent high-middle class life, why cant you? Seriously, your gibsmedat attitude is oozing. Pathethic. Class mobility my ass.
Yes, but none of them were asigned because of their personal skill or education or achievements and weren't removed once a better candidate showed up. I am refering to USSR. Every single one of the leaders were well established party members, most of them came to power by eliminating their opponnents after previous leader has died, if I recall it right. If you consider political success as a merit in itself, even in cases, when one rounds up his enemies and shoot them, I can't argue with you on this topic.
tl;dr party system pushes forward amoral subhumans, just like in gags or syndicates, while refraining intelectuals and true communism theoricians.
Completely agree, in our current disgusting radical capitalist economy if you're born poor you'll die poor. Communism allows the proletariat to live in a beautiful, equal society where they don't have to worry about being poisoned by large corporations and be at the whip of their corrupt, bourgeois scum employer.
Jobs, Gates, and Zuckerberg were all born very wealthy, Oprah is an exception
Ok so let me ask you this, how do i become part of the bougaise class the guys who sit around on gold courses all day smoking cigars playing cards and being rich assholes? I always wanted to be like one of them.
>In capitalism you exploit others
Wait, real quick, what do you actually think capitalism is.
Like, not your opinion, but how you define it.
Sorry honey, but that is an utter lie, at least watch every communist country that has ever existed, they all have a "leader" with its ruling class, if you think that communism is the rule of the proletariat then you are either immature or retarded
Dude, capitalism was established because feudalism made no sense, like your communism bullshit.
>hurr I'm so smart guiz
>even though earlier I said my IQ wasn't high
>Only stupid excell in capitalism
lmfao, so if the stupid excel in capitalism why aren't you already in the elite then. Top fucking kek, you're so full of more contradiction than the Das fucking Kapital
>Two words; Class Mobility. Capitalism has no class mobility.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Start your own business
Costs like $300 in texas
The low-iq and the unquestioning are the only groups who truly benefit from capitalism.
>the only system that has ever produced authentic rags-to-riches class mobility
>hah i prefer eating dirt for a living
commies are so stupid, is it malnutrition or what
In communism there's no class mobility either. There's only the poor who stay poor and the ruling party members who pass their position to their kids
You learned to use Google.
>No actually. Thats literally not true.
Several people in my family did this.