I'm fully aware that there isn't a collective "we" as ideology, but why do people within the Alt-Right...

I'm fully aware that there isn't a collective "we" as ideology, but why do people within the Alt-Right, Race Realism and White Advocacy communities keep using Nazi imagery? I don't understand the strategic value in resurrecting a movement that is universally hated and instantly turns people away. Even if we shouldn't surrender moral authority to the left and Nazis also fought against a system of global Jewry and cultural erosion, it makes an already uphill battle to convince people 10x harder.

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Well, in a way you're right. Hitler and the Third Reich have been the final nail in the coffin for White nationalism. Billions of dollars have gone into portraying White racialism as "evil, Naziistic, eugenicist". Racialist attitudes seemed to decline after WW2. Although maybe it was inevitable due to the Jewish infiltration of the Banking system in 1913. Try even talking to people about preserving the White race and the first thing they will say is "What are you? A NAZI? They were racist you know! They wanted to kill all da Joos and make everyone speak German! REEEEEE".

White nationalism would not seem as dodgy if we didn't have Hitler waging wars on too many fronts. He shouldn't have allied with the gooks, thanks to the Japs it eliminated any possible chance of an alliance between Germany and America.

I agree. We need to package it differently. Someone will come along and do such, I am sure. If not? Necessity will see that it happens. Considered starting my own political party many times. Might do one day

I think the mistake people make is thinking we need to endorse white nationalism in the way Nazis embraced it. America was effectively a white nationalist country 100 years ago because the non-white population was so small most people didn't interact with non-whites. I think it's better to talk about what the founders thought on race and their vision for America as a European country than to use any terms that are associated with Nazi Germany. We need to frame it not as us as a proactive force trying to implement a facist regime, but simply those who don't want to see the founders vision for America destroyed and whites displaced. Europeon countries would require a slightly different narrative.

>movement that is universally hated and instantly turns people away.
The moment it becomes socially acceptable to proclaim yourself as a Sup Forums user is the moment the movement dies. It will be co-opted by the same forces that now run the Kekistan bullshit. Just see where that will ever lead to. Nowhere.

Whether you're a fascist or a libertarian, what brings Sup Forums together is a collective disdain of the modern world. The world should regard us as its enemy, because that's what we are. If we ever start diluting the message, we will be assimilated into the modern world as just another subculture for the Jews to make a buck off. That's why even as a libertarian I'm fond of the swastika and Nazi imagery, despite the ideology being contradictory to my own, as it does a good job of keeping the harmful elements away from Sup Forums.

Was Kekistan part of an ideology people perscribed to before Sargon stole it, or just a pointless chaotic meme? I would say the latter. I understand the value in getting people to no longer respect the authority of the establishment in what warrants acceptable speech in creating chaos and tearing down, but chaos for the sake of chaos is antithetical to building a coherent ideology and worldview for people to prescribe to once the establishment is ideologically displaced.

Because Hitler did nothing wrong.

But really, in the context of history, the Nazis are pretty gentle and tame. Hitler and the Nazis didn't do anything that practically every other nation or people in the world have also done throughout history, and many still do worse things today.

"Nazis" have been ((((artificially elevated)))) by a ((((coordinated campaign)))) of media to shape public opinion to view them as being the ultimate pinnacle of "evil". In the modern world there is nothing worse than a Nazi, Natsoc (nationalism based around ethnic or cultural identity, and resistance against foreign influences) has been manufactured as the ultimate evil of humanity. And what has been the result? The West no longer has a moral standard. We can't say no to degeneracy in any form because we have no moral framework from which to do so. Without that moral framework, a moral framework of religious, national, or racial identity, we cannot resist mass immigration, feminism, LGBTQ, communism etc because we have no ground to stand on against it. Without that moral legitimacy, you're basically reduced to a bigot for criticizing the march of "progress".

That is why Islam is, and will continue to take over Europe and the West. Because as despicable as Islam obviously is, it has retained a strong moral framework from which to justify and fight back against degeneracy.

Embracing Natsoc does not equate to glorifying Hitler or the Nazis. It means acknowledging that in order to survive, Western Europeans must rekindle a sense of national and ethnic pride and identity. We need to rekindle our moral framework, reforge our resolve to stand against degeneracy because it is the right. thing. to. do.

Part of that means we need to share Nazi memes. We need to begin to demystify the artificial stigma surrounded "Evil Nazis", and point out that while yes, the Nazis certainly did many terrible things - that does not automatically eradicate all value from the natsoc ideology.

EXACTLY. this

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Basically there has been a coordinated campaign to portray Nazis as the pinnacle of evil, effectively cutting off the balls of all European people for generations afterwards because to stand up for your country and your people equates you with Nazis, and Nazis are evil remember goy?

Remember, Nazis are evil, and doing anything to stand up for European countries makes you a Nazi. So don't be a Nazi billy! Let in Achmed and Mohammed and Adam and Steve!

This portrayal of Nazism is at the very root of the cucking of Europe. That is the reason it is so necessary to spread Natsoc memes, because the only way to uncuck Europe is to come to a rational, balanced, understanding of history, one in which we resolve never to repeat the tragedies committed by Nazism, but vow to continue onward with honesty, perseverance, and truth for the betterment of our own people, our own culture, our own nations.

Well said.

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Furthermore, it is impossible for our movement to be successful unless we destroy the false idol that places "Nazi" as the ultimate evil. We cannot kindle any sense of nationalism, racial identity or pride without those comparisons being made, if we are afraid of those comparisons, if we run from them, then we ARE ceding the moral high ground. The only way to succeed and reach a broader audience is to be honest about our beliefs, not to be a Nazi fanboy but to praise and criticize Hitler in equal measure.

There are still communists today despite the atrocities committed by communists.

There are still democrats today despite the atrocitites committed by democratic republics.

There are still Christians and Muslims today despite the atrocities committed by adherents of those faiths.

IT IS TIME FOR NATSOCS TO STAND UP. TO STOP HIDING IN SHAME FOR OUR BELIEFS. TO SAY LOUDLY THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST, DESPITE THE ATROCITIES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN COMMITTED BY OTHER NAZIS IN THE PAST, THAT HAS NO MORE TO DO WITH US THAN THE PAST SINS OF ANY GROUP.

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>it makes an already uphill battle to convince people 10x harder.
It doesn't matter what imagery or name you use, the left will call you nazis anyways.

You need to break the conditioning. When someone realizes the Nazis were in the right, they will never be able to look at politics the same way again.

You think it easy for Hitler back in the day?

The NSAPD started with six people and zero funding. They had to contend with violent Marxists and compete with larger right-wing parties that shared convictions.

What made them become number one?

Strength.

Certainty in the truth.
No compromise.
No watering down.
No catering to the public.

People from all backgrounds flocked to NSADP like lambs to their Shepard.

Because a lot of us are nazis

>lambs to their Shepard
>Shepard

I agree that our moral framework has been eroded, but I disagree that National socialism is about unifying a group and defending its culture, traditions, and morality to most people and our enemies; they don't subconsciously detect or define Nazism that way. Nazism has nothing to do with the culture and traditions of most countries, so why should they add the extra work of going against people's programming by demystifying it when we can use people's programming in our favor and get more people believing in the core of the movement? In America for example, it's much more efficent to approach the subject from the views of the founding fathers on race as people are programmed to love and respect them. Nazism doesn't matter in the context of American discourse, history, or cultute why turn away potential allies by parading it around?

They say going on pol eventually turns you into a Nazi but it just turned me into a bag of shite devoid of empathy. No racial superiority complex or anything.

How is Nazism/white nationalism not inherently evil you piece of garbage? You want to treat humans of another race like trash, you actively call for the genocide of Jews, blacks and sandniggers simply because of the color of their skin.

Neck yourself.

Nah it's impossible for white nationalist country to exist in 2017. At least a full blown movement. The world is much more open and connected now and we have things like the United Nations and other international law institutions which will intervene if white nationalists decide to start gassing or mass importing people and fulfill their subhuman fantasies.

Either learn to live in this world or just kill yourself because your ghastly evil vision of the world will never be allowed to be implemented.

deporting*

Implying this is a good thing

Sensitization. The term racist has lost its sting, I see no reason why Nazism won't.

>ghastly evil vision
Having a country that's all white is a "ghastly evil vision"? Neck yourself, faggot.

Take a break from this website for a month or two. Go out. Meet different people of different backgrounds and you'll see that at it's core we're all human at the end of the day, we all feel love, pain and hurt and just want the best of ourselves and our family. Being on Sup Forums long enough will turn you into an evil human that is devoid of empathy, you will lose friends and go deeper into extreme idealogy because this place attracts the worst of society.

Being on Sup Forums has made me realize that just as you have bad Muslims (terrorists), bad blacks (criminals) you also have bad whites and most of the lowest of the low when it comes to whites are from Sup Forums. White nationalists/Nazis are the white equivalent of ISIS terrorists.

It might not be a good thing for an uneducated hateful evil redneck retard but for the rest of the world it's fine.

You are only one here spew hate.

you are delusional

>for the rest of the world it's fine.
Yep, just look at Europe being culturally enriched.

The ghastly vision is trying to force that through violence which is what white nationalism entails. The lowest of the low are attracted to these idealogies for a reason. Go to a Neo-Nazi rally and you'll see the dregs of society - white niggers. Because that's what you people are. People who are attracted to extreme idealogies are not normal functioning members of society they all have issues.

What inherently in the belief that European countries should stay in the hands of Europeans is evil? You're conflating memes with a sincere expression of ideology. You misunderstand this board.

They are a great example of what can be achieved through sheer force of will. They were a nation standing on its own two feet, rejecting outside influences that would see them kept under the boot.
They valued tradition, aesthetics, and realized Aryans as mother nature's true masterpiece. They were disciplined. More disciplined than almost any Westerner alive today. They worked hard. Because they absolutely had to. There was no choice. Do or die.

They did things that countries and people dont do anymore, which is rely on themselves. Provide for themselves. Give the people something to be proud of.

There are people who will be able to articulate it better, but for me, that era of Germany is what all real men strive for on some level -self reliance, purpose, strength, discipline, family, honour, moral grounding, beauty, pride, happiness and true belonging.

The refugee crisis is the West's fault. Its what you get for bombing Middle Eastern countries killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process. Al-Qaeda was funded by the US government. ISIS was also supported by the US government to overthrow Assad. Instead of blaming 'sandniggers' and Muslims for your problems blame the politicians. Your hero Trump is already ready to bomb Syria which will increase the refugee crisis yet you still shill for him.

Most refugees come to the West because they want a better life. A lot of us would do the same. Unfortunately most of you have lost your empathy and thus your humanity and don't understand this. You scapegoat the weak and powerless while shilling for the most powerful.

>What inherently in the belief that European countries should stay in the hands of Europeans is evil?
Because it would apply mass killings, mass deportations and treating minorities like second class citizens. International law wouldn't allow it but you retards haven't thought this through. Do you honestly think the United Nations and the rest of the world will sit idle? White nationalism always loses. Nazi Germany, KKK, segregation, slavery etc. racists always lose. You're literally always gonna be on the losing side of history.

imply*

I literally cussed out my boss and quit my job for being asked if I was a Nazi.

$30k raise upon landing new job.

Now making $130k

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because the ADL doesn't want us to have the right to.

I will rape your mother

>all this cuckery itt
You should be ashamed of yourselves.

>mass deportations
Nothing wrong with mass deportation. I don't want to see my race mixed out of existence. If they don't leave peacefully, then they need to executed. Simple as that. Native Europeans have a right to preserve their race and culture. Just like Africans or Asians do.

It's a meme you dolt

>Because Hitler did nothing wrong.
Aaand here we go again.

Because that's how it is. If you start "taming" the language or the memes to appeal more people than you are not only starting to cuck yourself, you are also starting to use ((their)) tactics. Why fight ((them)) if you are just the same?

>No catering to the public.
Lmao what a load of bullshit
Catering to the public is what they did best, and not just on an internal scale.

>Was Kekistan part of an ideology people perscribed to before Sargon stole it, or just a pointless chaotic meme?

On the high school of the internet, Sup Forums is the rebellious kid all the Chads hate and the losers want to emulate. If Sup Forums does anything moderately amusing, Reddit arrives and tries to imitate it (badly.) Stuff like nazi imagery and racism, no matter how correct or accurate it may be, ensures that the dumb normalfag sensibilities sites like Reddit or tumblr hold will prevent them from once again hijacking our style.

>Larping as a skinhead on a mongolian basket weaving collective is the same as starting a new caliphate, setting people who disagree with you on fire, throwing them from buildings or enslaving unbelievers.

Yeah, okay bud.

>This portrayal of Nazism is at the very root of the cucking of Europe.
Then how do you explain the fact that most of the only countries in Europe that oppose islam hate nazis for destroying their countries? And communism too, by the way? Stop making up fake dichotomies.
Nazism doesn't have any exclusive rights to ideas like nationalism, patriotism, conservatism, or right wing in general.

The victors of WW2 mass deported millions of Germans from all over Eastern Europe under brutal circumstances, would you say that was wrong? Or was it okay because it happened to White people?

Look what COINTELPRO means.

Yeah, other than killing more whites than ever.

Exactly. Will. Will is the key. And will is something modern western people seem to lack to the same intensity as the National Socialists. What the Germans achieved in a few short years was massively impressive. The world today is using and still developing tech initiated by the Germans. Will was their driving force.

Reich of the Black Sun by physicist Joseph Farrell
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Just stop letting them in then you faggots. The "refugee crisis" wouldn't exist if you euros didn't open your ass for completely unchecked mass immigration. The problem also lies on your government.