Refute this, protip you can't

Refute this, protip you can't.

>5 words
>dat flag
>dat shitpost

thanks for playing

Intellectual midget

Then quit your job, start own business and pay fair share to your workers.
Modern commies can only complain, fucking crybabies.

Bill has 1 ton of potatoes he will sell them for $1
Tim wants 1 ton of potatoes he will buy them for $1.5
Sam buys bills potatoes and sells them to tim and makes a profit of $500

You fucking idiot, value is not intrinsic it is perceived, or do you genuinely think fidget spinners are a miraculous invention that everyone needs in their life.

Profits are the reason you even have a job. If there were no profits, the business owner wouldn't be able to stay in business. And without business owners to hire your non-entrepreneur non-self starter ass, you'd starve to death. Really.

Then Bill can afford to give his workers a bonus, instead of being a capitalist pig who puts profits before people. Scum.

Did the commies intend for the Soviet flag to look similar to a fast food logo, but ironically since there is no food in a commie society?

>commie
>calls someone else stupid
You're a real piece of work are you?

example of pure Leaf mind here.....stupid

>not understanding what 'profits' are

yeah the nonwhite working class

it's colonialism, not capitalism

Everyone should be slaves because it's fair.....

How does anyone afford to hire more workers or expand? Population is steadily increasing, meaning more people in the job market, meaning businesses better be growing or you're going to have a larger and larger impoverished class

But i don't expect you to into logic, you postmodernist scum

>currently on page 2
Let's keep it moving, obvious bait here.

Profits are the beneficial side-effect of Capital increasing itself.

Bill has no workers, no one in this illustration has workers.
All they have is potatoes, maybe they should pay the potatoes more.

This is stupid Communism has never worked, while capitalism seems to just keep on working despite producing complete wastes of time like fidget spinners.

How does it feel having your ideal utopia be crushed by fidget spinners and rubber dog shit.

wages
are
profits
for
being
poor
.
suck
it

People will always accept a wage to work for someone else without having to take on the risks of the actual running and maintenance of the business.

Lets assume that the entire system changed and literally everyone who gets paid any kind of wage works for companies that have no central management that delegate tasks or pay for the required upkeep of whatever machinery or other things that the business needs to continue to operate.

Who pays for that maintenance and upkeep then? The workers.

How do the workers make money? By selling their product to other people.

What if no one buys the product, or there's only enough to give all the workers an equal share of $1 a day after the costs of manufacture?

Who delivers the goods to market? The workers still? So they spend all day manufacturing, lets say, tyres and then if you need a tyre you just go to the local tyre yard? What if there's not a tyre yard near you? You have to travel 100 miles with no tyres to get a tyre, because why would anyone deliver goods anymore when that isn't a service that generates money, only moves items from point A to point B?

I mean I could go on. Communism is so fucking easy to pick apart I can't believe it's still so fashionable. It's a good way to know who isn't worth spending time on.

Profits are incentives, why bother to do it if you don't have anything to gain

Tell 10 people they get $1000 if they come first in a race and then tell 10 others they get nothing if they win

Shit newfag bait thread, 7/10

Brainlet.

Saged.

1. Accounting profit =/= economic profit
If you compare the ingoing and outgoing cashflows over a given period of time, you might mistake their difference for "protif". This is however not the case anymore, once you take into account the investments that had to be made to get the business started, the fixed costs, the opportunity costs etc.

2. Value of the product is not solely determined by the value of labor. The value theory of labor has been discarded long time ago.

3. Most markets are not monopolistic. The producers have only little influence on the prices of good.

4. The only economic system with true social justice is islamic economics.

>middlemen

You've obviously never started or ran anything in your life. Some folks don't believe life owes them anything, so they don't buy them new Jordan's or expensive car. They save that money to start a business. Then they barely make ends meet for the first few months (sometimes years) as they build their client base. Then, once they've finally started making a little extra money... some whiner tries to tell them they are stealing from their employees. Grow up. Start a business. Hire a free people. Pay them all your profits. Then you'll have a moral high horse from which to flog us with.

then how do I reinvest into my business in order to expand it, and in so doing hiring more 'working class' people?

What is, if the business losses money? Should it pay its workers less? Maybe nothing at all?
What is, if it even get bankrupt? Should the worker pay?

This system is retarded and only shows, how litte to nothing commis know about economic. They are self centered and morally justified it with "but we are the people!".

you don't, you basically suicide

I guarantee "Vivian" has never been part of the working class.

Communism is based only on envy.

>this guy has something I don't have
>therefore we need to kill him

You keep thinking about potatoes and other things on your mental level, meanwhile I'll be reading the works of Marx and other distinguished intellectuals.

This assumes the workers are not being paid equivalent to the value to their employer.

PROFITS
ARE
THE
WAGES
OF
THE
PEOPLE
WHO
DO
THE
MOST
WORK

REFUTE IT, PROTIP, YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID.

Do eeeet eberywan

The problem is they don't. I've worked with so many small business owners who think expansion should only happen when they can still afford their two houses and Junior's BMW.

What are co-ops? Not every business needs to be a co-op, but there are some that pay dividends on their annual profit, after all the overhead is paid for.

>go interview with employer
>get contract with offer for doing X for Y units of currency
>agree to contract
>don't get part of the profit
WOW WHAT THE FUCK, MAN.

No. Profits are the wages earned by the business, shareholders, investors, and leadership teams.
Profits are what most often goes back into the business to help create or maintain growth.
Wages are what is given to employees as part of their voluntary agreement to work. If they don't like their wages, they are free to seek employment elsewhere.

>patueotwc
From the thumbnail I was expecting some sort of clever vertical initialism, but it wasn't, so fuck them.

Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

*sips tea*

>lives on gibs

>required to work or starve
>y-you're free!!
how did anarcho-capitalism even become a thing?

>required to anything

What exactly stops you from making your own company, give jobs to people and pay them what you want? Nothing, except the fact that you are a lazy faggot with no ambition who'd rather sit in his room complaining about non existent problems on the internet.

lmao ah yes you get to "choose" whether to work or starve. what a great system.

You can go out in the forest and live off berries, hunt for squirrels, and so forth, if you want to, or is it that also """work""" in your mind?

>work or starve
>people would rather believe that capitalism causes this than going and get a job

...

How can I do that when all the property is already owned in an an-cap society? There's no "wilderness" for me to go to without violating the NAP.

source? you are like a little babby that has only cut their teeth on self referential ideology

What are you talking about. There's many socialist programs in America.
>welfare
>Medicaid
>VA assistance
>SNAP
>HUD
ETC ETC ETC

That's a completely hypothetical scenario, that you orchestrated to """refute""" my argument. Try again.

Also I have no idea what relation this had to whiny bitches bitching about not getting a part of company profits, when this obviously is what allows them to get better work conditions, high salary, etc, so yeah in short: get bent dumb fuck commie.

Profits are the driving vehicle to expand a business so that more can be employed. Profits are inclusive to the betterment of more

Yes that's generally how it works.
Why should you be entitled to the products earned by those who chose to work?

In anarcho-capitalism there is no such thing as "federal land".

>I have to do things to get things? Thats oppressiv.
>it is my right to get stuff. We are only free, if I force you to give me your money.

I am not even an ancap. You are just retarded at this point.

Correct. That's how a company survives and keeps those jobs. If the company DOESN'T make a profit EVERYONE loses.

Marxists are idiotic whiny crybabies who don't do anything but blame others for their own faults.

Profits are the wages of the people that funded and took the risk of setting up the company the employees work for.

Employees take less of a risk, so they receive lower rewards.

THEREFORE YOUR ASSERTION THAT ALL THE LAND IS OWNED
WAS WRONG, RETARD

Profits are a return on investment.

If you paid attention you'd know I was specifically talking about AnCap, and how retarded it is. Nobody starves in the current system because you can get NEETbux and whatever other programs exist.

But in Ancapistan the choice is simple: work or die. Communism has a similar mantra.

If there is no federal land the land will be owned by somebody. Christ this isn't hard you fucking idiot.

>he thinks bill is obligated to share his potato profits
>he thinks Ted handing all of his potatoes over to Ahmed instead of selling them isn't the real problem

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaba

none of those have benefited our society
does socialism suck?

source?

>correlation = causation
ok ok we get it, you're fully tarded

>anarchist
>espousing viewpoints in favor of the most totalitarian form of government the world has ever witnessed

So nobody should start a business unless they're willing to run it like a charity and pay workers out of their own pockets?

>Nobody starves in the current system because you can get NEETbux and whatever other programs exist.
and those only exist because of white capitalist male taxpayers
which means we dint need taxation for those programs dummy

Lol how the fuck would a shop restock on goods?

How will a company earn enough to invest in machinery?

Has this ideology been riddled by famines and slavery? Sound pretty logical if it did.

you are the one claiming tax funded programs is what leads to lower levels of starvation
projection?

What about the people who invent and run the company? Do they not deserve a paycheck?

>posts argument that doesn't make sense
>posts that stupid one page """""rebuttal""""" to government healthcare
he can't be this stupid.

objectively and this has been true.

>If you paid attention you'd know I was specifically talking about AnCap, and how retarded it is.
>It's inherent that every single square inch of land is owned under an AnCap system
Wrong.

>Nobody starves in the current system because you can get NEETbux and whatever other programs exist.
Yes, some people do, but FAR the majority don't, exactly because companies keep profits to expand their business, and hire more people they wouldn't hire otherwise, if they had to redistribute every single penny they made above maintenance.

>But in Ancapistan the choice is simple: work or die. Communism has a similar mantra.
Survival requires a minimum effort of food and water. You CANNOT avoid work, if you want food and water, or at least, have somebody else do it, if you're some scumbag neet. Even this system today has the mantra "work or die". Where the fuck do you think NEETbux come from? Someone is just creating twice the fucking value of the average Joe, in order to feed someone else. The "work" is not eliminated, just because someone else is paying. How fucking stupid are you?

>patuwotwc

What did she mean by this?

>Wrong.
[citation needed] because there will obviously be a massive gold rush for unclaimed land. Even Murray Rothtard, oops, Rothbard recognized this.

>Yes, some people do, but FAR the majority don't, exactly because companies keep profits to expand their business, and hire more people they wouldn't hire otherwise, if they had to redistribute every single penny they made above maintenance.
Actually it's exactly because there's a safety net to keep people from starving that was created pretty much exactly when the free market failed.

>Survival requires a minimum effort of food and water. You CANNOT avoid work, if you want food and water, or at least, have somebody else do it, if you're some scumbag neet. Even this system today has the mantra "work or die". Where the fuck do you think NEETbux come from? Someone is just creating twice the fucking value of the average Joe, in order to feed someone else. The "work" is not eliminated, just because someone else is paying. How fucking stupid are you?
In Ancapistan employment will be required for the vast majority of people not to starve. Even today you can go and pick berries or drink out of a mountain stream. This will be impossible to do without breaking the NAP in Ancapistan where property is 100% owned.

In conclusion, I'm sorry you took work to mean any kind of labor and not specifically employment.

>Communist
>Taking the intellectual high ground

She want's her tits slapped around.

Correlation=/=causation

>[citation needed]
What the fuck? Anarcho capitalism is capitalism with no state. You're the one claiming a long series of bullshit, like all land being owned. That's hypothetical, and I might as well say just "no, not in my hypothetical scenario where everything is perfect" in response. Also I don't pray to Rothbard as if he's some kind of Messiah, so I don't really care what hypothetical shit he recognized might happen.

>Actually it's exactly because there's a safety net to keep people from starving that was created pretty much exactly when the free market failed.
[citation needed] :^)

>In Ancapistan employment will be required for the vast majority of people not to starve.
Probably, yes, as it is today.

Even today you can go and pick berries or drink out of a mountain stream.
So go do that, if you don't want to work.

>This will be impossible to do without breaking the NAP in Ancapistan where property is 100% owned.
DUDE LMAO HYPOTHETICAL SHIT.

"Refute this, protip you can't"

many, many responses later

"i will pretend to move to a higher level of intellectual thought to ignore you when im really just ignoring your comments because they dont align with my political views and that hurts my feelings"

In conclusion, I hope people don't bully you too much for being a special needs kid.

>What the fuck? Anarcho capitalism is capitalism with no state. You're the one claiming a long series of bullshit, like all land being owned. That's hypothetical, and I might as well say just "no, not in my hypothetical scenario where everything is perfect" in response. Also I don't pray to Rothbard as if he's some kind of Messiah, so I don't really care what hypothetical shit he recognized might happen.
Why would any land be unowned in ancapistan? Use some fucking logic.

>[citation needed] :^)
I mean, the Great Depression occurred and the New Deal happened.

>So go do that, if you don't want to work.
The problem in Ancapistan is that I can't do that, as all land will be owned.

>I have no argument so I will insult you.
FTFY

...

Wagecucks aren't entitled to the profits of their employees.

Profit is the interest workers pay for being paid in advance. Hence profit-interest system.

Individual proprietors

It is when the alternative commie system demands we all steal from one another until everyone starves.

Only good commies = Dead commies

As long as workers cannot be trusted with the responsibility of setting aside their earnings to privately reinvest into their own companies whom they ascertain full productivity thus full responsibility for, then they cannot be entrusted with their full earnings for the sake of the business' health and ultimately the longevity of their very own employment. They might as well consider the manager or owner as tasked with, among other things, the effective and sustainable delegation of finances.

If they believe themselves such paragons of managing finance, and since they already know how to do the work, they have the freedom to open their own business and funnel the unpaid profits back to themselves as vindictive restitution, not surprisingly befitting of their nature.

I see you don't know what an argument is. You'll get far here on Sup Forums.

>Why would any land be unowned in ancapistan? Use some fucking logic.
Because I treat human psychology with more factors than just "GREED, LMAO".

>I mean, the Great Depression occurred and the New Deal happened
You mean a decade or so AFTER the federal reserve was created, and AFTER currency contraction, deficit spending, elaborate government sponsored Ponzi schemes, became thing? You mean AFTER the Fed. Reserve allowed for greater inflation and price hikes, which inevitably led to bubble bursts, currency contraction, etc? WOW DUDE YEAH, I see now, THAT'S free market black magic at work.

>The problem in Ancapistan is that I can't do that, as all land will be owned.
[citation needed]

absolutely fucking saged you trash fucking shitposter
mods why the FUCK aren't you doing your job??

The whole point of the pre-set wage is that employees are guaranteed money even if the output fails.
>Massive profit, employees deserve to share the extra money!!
And what if the business fails, should all the employees be paid nothing?

You don't care about the working class.

>take less of a risk

He who produces the good should be entitled to the profit. Risk doesn't mean shit because the employers labor is demonstrably lower.

This

without profits you have no job creation. profits lead to growth, which lead to more jobs.

Also, the market is not determined by human fee fees.

you know there's more shit behind a business that just the workes right?

Sage