Isn't it ironic that most Christians are right wing when Jesus and his early followers were revolutionary commies?
If Sup Forums existed in the 1st century Roman occupied Jerusalem you would have called him a SJW cuck worthy of death. In fact a lot of you would be the Roman soldiers scourging him to death.
Can you specifically tell me what he said that makes you believe he would have been a communist?
I hear the hippie argument from liberals/atheists who try to make Jesus a socialist/marxist. He wasn't. Jesus obviously didn't fight and conquer countries. That wasn't his purpose. The main purpose of Christ was to bring grace, faith and salvation to people. However, next time he comes, there will be a great reckoning.
"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure." Psal. 2
'Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken... Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle." Zec. 14
"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." Mal. 4
"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords." Rev. 19
Charity isn't communism
Maybe they have an issue with all the mass murdering you commie fags do. Pic unrelated.
- Hung around with prostitutes, the disabled, criminals - these were the lowest members of society during that time, it would have been the equivalent of hanging around with drug addicts, the homeless, homosexuals, trannies, etc.
- Regularly called out the rich for exploiting the poor, said that rich people were not going to see the light of God
- Called for radical wealth redistribution
- Called for non-violence which let's face it is mostly a left wing ideal as most anti-war movements tend to be made entirely by leftists
- Early Christians lived in communes and shared their resources (see Acts)
- Spoke in favor of the oppressed minority and clearly wanted social justice (he would be called a SJW)
- Called out the self-righteous pharisees when they were judging the sinners (this would be Sup Forums who regularly attack trannies/homosexuals)
- Supported refugees
I can go on and on. Any Christian who is right wing has clearly never read the New Testament. Jesus was a 1st century leftist revolutionary.
Jesus was a fundy radical Jew who hated goyim and thought he had been sent to herald their destruction and expel the Roman occupiers.
Hellenized Jews lied about him and said he was actually a gud boi who dindu nuffin.
The "Republican Jesus" is the real Jesus. The pacifist gud boi who loved everyone is the (((fake news))) one..
Oh look, it's a jew.
I know, right OP!
Romans 2:15 And Jesus sayeth "We must commandeer the means of production and forcefully extract the wealth from those who resisteth our revolution."
amen.
>he won't inherit eternal life
Sad.
The Republican Jesus is an American myth which never existed. Jesus was a commie, there's no way he would have supported capitalism. The early Christians lived in communes for God sake.
The difference, faggot, is that Jesus said Go and sin no more, while SJWs say that everyone should sin as much as they want. Jesus wanted the low lifes to improve themselves, whereas SJWs simply don't want to feel guilty about their perversions.
Jesus was a Jew from the line of David. He literally said that he came to fulfill all of the Old Testament law and not destroy it.
Right wing Christians lived in a perpetual state of ignorance and cognitive dissonance.
At least the pagans here recognize this to a degree. Christfags will perform mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they don't follow a foreign desert religion and that Jesus actually advocated for limited taxation conservatism.
Jesus was a monarch
Yes but Christians don't do this, Christians do the opposite, they judge and oppress sinners, so even if you're right the approach taken by right wingers today is the opposite approach that Jesus would have taken. Instead of saying that trannies or homosexuals should be killed or discriminated against he would have said to love them unconditionally anyway. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Right wing Christians hate the sinner.
Literally this. Christ is King.
If he was a Commie it was vis-a-vis his fellow dissident Jews who opposed the Romans and the current Temple, a la the Essene sect.
That he was a universalist is a Jewish lie.
And his goal would have been to reclaim the Temple from the collaborators with he Romans. His embracing of poverty, if it existed, would have been temporary. If he got control of the Temple, he would have been just fine with luxury.
That he was some sort of aesthetic in the mold of a Western philosopher was just more (((propaganda))) meant to make a Jewish messiah who longed for the liquidation of the goyim look unthreatening and Western-like.
If Jesus was a commie why give Marx or Engels any credit? Shouldn't all you commies be walking around with bibles rather than the little red book?
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Jesus was not a Marxist.
But Christianity and Marxism are the same kind of Jewish lie.
It's not ironic because it's not true, only an ignorant moron would actually believe that Jesus was a commie or socialist of any kind. He was a conservative
Yer I respect pagans as they tell it like it is. A pagan would accept the fact that if we lived in 1st century Palestine they would have been supporting the pagan Roman soldiers who were flogging Jesus.
It's just bewildering how right wingers have managed to co-opt Christianity and turn it into something it never was.
Also this is relevant: Supply Side Jesus
If you could just explain why that it is until German higher Criticism that Christ was never seen as a political revolutionary, that'd be great.
Also why did the original church meet in PRIVATE HOMES of the most AFFLUENT capitalist in early Christianity?
SAGE pagan faggot
>isn't it ironic that blah blah blah
i hear this literally every other day
almost as if our world and our entire species are fundamentally ironic
These are just your opinions. There is a difference between fact and opinion.
>muh communes in Acts
Those were a ministranslation of the original Greek.
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Get rekt faggot.
you have to be taught to be this stupid
Jesus was an ancap. He wanted charity, there's no virtue in a rich man giving money to the poor if it's coerced.
Answer the question shill
>Hung around with prostitutes, the disabled, criminals - these were the lowest members of society during that time, it would have been the equivalent of hanging around with drug addicts, the homeless, homosexuals, trannies, etc.
He did so to raise them up, nothing communistic about this.
>Regularly called out the rich for exploiting the poor, said that rich people were not going to see the light of God
I'm assuming you're speaking about the through the eye of the needle line, in this context he is speaking about rich Priests who believed wealth on earth meant favour from God, he dispels that notion.
>Called for radical wealth redistribution
Where? I'm quite sure Jesus expressly states that God only loves a cheerful giver, rediatribution wouldn't be helping much with that, nor does it seem to do very well in historical economies.
>Called for non-violence which let's face it is mostly a left wing ideal as most anti-war movements tend to be made entirely by leftists
Jesus called for avoiding unnecessary violence, he also happened to violently force out merchants from temple grounds, and told his disciples to sell their cloaks for swords.
>Spoke in favor of the oppressed minority and clearly wanted social justice (he would be called a SJW)
you'll have to be more specific.
>Called out the self-righteous pharisees when they were judging the sinners (this would be Sup Forums who regularly attack trannies/homosexuals)
See the merchants in the temple exchange. You need to physically remove those who anger God, basically.
>Supported refugees
Where?
Yeah Christianity is fucking dumb.
That's what you get when you let peasants read and interpret a book that's been badly translated for hundreds of years.
Then again the Catholics didn't do it any better, they just lied about what it said to get money.
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Straw man.
>Instead of saying that trannies or homosexuals should be killed
LOL, where are you getting this? Most Christians today are cucked neolibs.
Also, Leviticus called homosexuality an abomination. That's pretty clear. The Left basically wants to water-down and neuter Christianity to the point that there is no criticism of homosexuality allowed in the public space; so they keep trying to morph it into a form of extreme altruism.
It's called evolution.
"Private ownership, as we have seen, is the natural right of man, and to exercise that right, especially as members of society, is not only lawful, but absolutely necessary. "It is lawful," says St. Thomas Aquinas, "for a man to hold private property; and it is also necessary for the carrying on of human existence."
>catholics
Only a catholic could promote charity while wearing gold clothes and get credit for it.
Nibba you know that's not an argument.
Neither is quoting anyone but Jesus when the thread is about Jesus being a commie.
This is often taken out of context. Jesus wasn't making a statement that being rich excludes you from Heaven; it's a statement on how earning wealth is not an indicator of your salvation. 10:26, which is left out of the quote by leftist LARPers, immediately says that "men cannont earn their way to heaven, only through God can they get to heaven."
You'll find that most of this "Jesus was a Marxist" LARP shit ignores context.
He talks to specific people, and does not bind the rest of Christians to do the same but yet somehow asking a few people to do something so they can physically follow him and operate as mendicants is socialist?
How is giving away private property socialist? Do you not know that every culture that had a priest or monk class did the same kind of mendicant lifestyle because it is physically impossible to work all day and focus on spiritual life?
Why are you so fucking stupid?
It's an appeal to authority, but that's much better than ad hom on the Molyneux argument scale.
What religion are you faggot? When you go to your "church service" do you wear a Tshirt? Or how about white shoes and a nigger suit?
The Pope and patriarchs (who go back to the early Church) have always been exquisitly dressed because they represent and office you faggot. They don't keep their gold anyway... it remains property of the Church.
Charity is something that can be practiced by all... why people think that only the poor can be charitable and that having riches is uncharitable is a mystery to me...
>implying the Catholic Church or practices of the early church are immaterial when trying to contextualize what Jesus meant...
Do you know why Martin Luther is famous?
It's not because he translated the Bible.
It's because he translated the Bible and wasn't killed.
All those commie jesus ideas weren't meant to get out to the peasants and when they did....boy howdy did the Catholic church have a time trying to enforce feudalism after that.
If anything, Jesus was a Paleolibertarian.
Jesus was a refugee, gospel stories talk about how King Herold tried to kill Jesus.
Buddy Carholics abolished slavery like 300 years before protties did, do the math.
>Isn't it ironic that most Christians are right wing when Jesus and his early followers were revolutionary commies?
Or maybe most Christians have a better understanding of Jesus than you do?
If you read the Bible, you'll find that it's pretty right-wing generally, and you ought to be and promote righteousness, though you ought to have consideration for others. E.g. Note that widows and orphans are to be taken care of, who are people that cannot take care of themselves through no fault of their own, as opposed to whores and adulterers. Taking care of the deserving rather than promoting the degenerate is one of the desires of God.
>>LEAVE UNTO CAESAR WHAT IS CAESARS
>inb4 take caesars stuff and redistribute it
Every post below mine is past the troll line
He also spoke highly of the Samaritans (an ethnic minority related to the Jews).
This abo just woke up from his gasoline-addled slumber to post on pol
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A refugee in his own country? Now you're really reaching, doesn't really make me want to import brown people.
Wrong. Jesus wanted separation of spiritual and state, not communism of the state.
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completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
>implying Jesus is Republican Jesus
Most mainstream Christians believe that with the coming of Jesus, old testament laws don't apply to Christians (like circumcision). Trying quoting something in the New Testament as well.
"Those unwilling to work, neither shall they eat" is a new testament teaching, Communism/Socialism is antithesis to this and therefore not "Christian". Charity and helping your neighbor when they fall on hard times is Christian. Government handouts and dependency is not.
>implying your logical fallacy is ever a good argument
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> not taking anything by force from rich (or poor for that reason)
> spreading gospel by talking, convincing even dying not by building tanks, warheads etc
> kingdom NOT from this world
yeah those little differences
>so called communist ideals in the bible that Catholics are hiding to be able to enalave people
>Protestants literally enslave people after Catholics stop
This just doesn't add up.
>Most mainstream Christians
Protestants aren't the majority of Christians, right?
>muh liberation theology
Show me where in the bible jesus supported seizing the means of production and the forceful redistributing of wealth
CHARITY
>hey buddy here's some of my own money that I worked for and want to help you out with. No need to thank me.
COMMUNISM
>hey buddy here's some money that I took from an undeserving kulak at gunpoint. Aren't I generous? Surely the only people capable of such generosity are armed agents of the state.
He was an SJW cuck worthy of death.
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Matthew 5:45
That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust.
>Christ preaches that God economically benefits the just and unjust alike
>God allows for all inequity and Christ castigates Judas for complaining about a disciple spending money on a luxury item for Christ.
Matthew 26:11
For the poor you have always with you: but me you have not always.
>Christ says there will always be poor, and you cannot fix the problem and should care more about spiritual life.
Are you a fucking retard? Learn to read. Romans 2:15 doesn't comment on wealth.
His family fled to Egypt. They didn't just stay in Israel.
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I don't see Protestants demanding circumcision like Muslims.
The problem when you say "protestants" is you're talking about people interpreting the Bible as they saw fit.
That's what the Catholics wanted to put an end to. They weren't alone in this, the ruling nobility also didn't want the peasants getting funny ideas about the meek inheriting the earth.
So what you got was basically a bunch of cults forming because now everyone can read the bible and armies coming in to crush them.
So yeah, some idiots probably thought slavery was cool with the J man and Sky Daddy but what they were trying to keep people from hearing was that they were just as likely to go to heaven as the king and maybe there's more to life than farming and shutting up.
Dude this is a shill thread, these guys are just LARPING to make you mad.
Sage this shit to stop their bun.
He and apostles did not wave their dicks in front of children. Faggotry is condemned in OT and in NT. They did not advocate for sexual promiscuity but rather for chastity.
And blah blah
The whole thing went mainstream before internet and mass media thing. So maybe they had a point, but who I am to judge?
Most Protestants, certainly those in the USA, are larping Judaism, just like the Pilgrims, and mostly ignore the NT.
>non violence
>a left wing ideal
And how many people did communism kill in the last century ?
DESU, Jesus would have been more of a Christian Democrat than either what the left or right envision him to be.
He criticized the wealthy but he was also a reaction against the clergy trying to synthesize Romanic culture with Jewish culture.
I'm saying it's only Protestants that ignore Biblical rules.
>advocated non-violence
everytime I see a kekistani flag I want to kill myself. 0/10 post.
>Those unwilling to work, neither shall they eat
Never said by Jesus. Nice try tho
Holy shit Aussies are going wild tonight
It's sad that the Jews have poisoned OP's mind so thoroughly that he rejects the noble ideas of charity and compassion for your fellow man based on the belief that such actions are somehow Communist.
We are not villains here OP, nor are we monsters.
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> Cuckians train the fields how to play with ponies
> tfw a distant country fall completely for you hippie Rabbi
Paul's kind of an authority on these things.
Amen
The protestant reformation was about trying to interpret the bible with the meaning the author was trying to convey and translating the bible into the common tongue so that meaning can be conveyed and examined.
Catholicism is an attempt to spoon feed the masses by providing an authoritative interpretation to them regardless of the text. The problem with Catholicism is instead of just having the bible to interpret you now have the bible, thousands of years of Church writing and Church teachers, dogmas that have developed overtime that were feign to the early Church, i.e. purgatory, indulgences, Marian dogmas, etc. That all still need to ultimately be interpreted by the lay person anyways. Not to mention a Pope that is the final say on interpretation which can and does declare anything he sees fit despite complete contradiction to even his still living papal predecessor. Then you have strange things like the Pope only being inspired when he is X, Y, and Z, i.e. wearing his fish hat, sitting on the papal chair, etc. which again needs to be interpreted to understand when he is or is not speaking under inspiration for Christ.
Aren't Jews and Fabians the main purveyors of libertarian-ism??
That statement would just open a giant can of worms. Especially since Presbyterians, Anglicans, Baptists, and Lutherans are different from one another.
how can you idiots seriously be taking religion
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Sorry mr prolapse colored flag.
Because it's fun to circle jerk about. Kys detected kike
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>isn't it ironic that most communists hate Christianity yet adopt nearly all of its philosophy.
I see a lot of ignorance, but what else to expect from USA educational system? You guys seriously need to do something about it...
So, to those who compare Jesus teaching with Socialism as we know it today. => Socialism as we know it today is Marxist socialism, which as ideology has won and written itself into history and future. Once upon time, there were are different kinds of socialism (nowdays called Utopian socialism's) - ideologe and philosophers interpreted it different, but in the end Marxist one won. So saying "state doing this is SOCIALISM and x does not do that hence not socialist" is kinda invalid argument and stupid, especially since this "x" lived like before Marx. Do you see where I am going? This way you kinda skip hundered years of philosophical evolution of ideology.
No, Jesus was not Socialist in Marxist / Marxist-Leninist way in no way. Imo he was some kind of proto-socialist.
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It is well known fact that apostols in time of Jesus did not have their own property. They eat together and they had money in common, If my memory serves me right, Judas was one who kept a money purse. And to all reactionary believers - Imo Churches (because various reasons) have distanced from teachings of Jesus during centuries of existence (or few days after he died - you have in Bible whole passages about arguing between apostols what Jesus wanted, and you have early church schism, since Paul in one of his letters said, that Churches of East have distanced from him and his teachings and follow other apostols). Like Dostojevsky has written (in The Grand Inquisitor), if Christ would rise tomorrow, church leaders would be first to ridicule him and "crucify" (nowadays we have better institution - mental one, yes he would be locked, or maybe he is?) him and for sure he would curse them, like he cursed pharisees.
Cheers
Also, how does one develop a "spirit of giving" when one has no involvement or personal contact with the recipient as in government handouts. Just look at the mindset of those who are dependent on the government, i.e. an entitled/envious mindset verses those who receive charity and are grateful. Gratefulness in a recipient and grace/selflessness in a giver actually models Christ and his self-giving in salvation.