In which we debate just how stupid "anarcho"-capitalists are and why they are quite literally the dumbest people alive.
Anyone who is an ancap would be dead in 5 seconds if their ideal world came to fruition. Which on second thought would be pretty good since everyone with a brain hates these dumb fuckers.
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mises.org
users.wfu.edu
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Also for good measure
"Now, there are consistent libertarians, people like Murray Rothbard—and if you just read the world that they describe, it's a world so full of hate that no human being would want to live in it. This is a world where you don't have roads because you don't see any reason why you should cooperate in building a road that you're not going to use: if you want a road, you get together with a bunch of other people who are going to use that road and you build it, then you charge people to ride on it. If you don't like the pollution from somebody's automobile, you take them to court and you litigate it. Who would want to live in a world like that? It's a world built on hatred.19
The whole thing's not even worth talking about, though. First of all, it couldn't function for a second—and if it could, all you'd want to do is get out, or commit suicide or something. But this is a special American aberration, it's not really serious."
Murray Rothbard Was An Idiot
An-Caps are the biggest fucking autists on the planet. How can someone believe in an ideology where they think there should be no laws while at the same time have police to uphold laws. An-Caps are just fucking retarded at all levels.
Austrian economists admit that all of their "science" is based on laws of a world that doesn't exist outside of their own imaginations.
bleedingheartlibertarians.com
"stealing surplus value" is a retarded meme based on anti-scientific labour value theory that was rejected in 1890's, hence wrong and invalid.
Fuck off, sage.
>muh capitalism is mean!
Natural hierarchies scare the shit out of me too, but they're ethical, unlike anything left of Anarcho-Capitalism.
Sink or swim.
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True comrade. Most of them are pretty much the worst type of human being you can find: full of pomposity and self-congratulation over their intellect, yet poorly-read and possessing zero critical thinking skills.
We will bury them.
>labor theory of value debunked
>details later
Just cuz the Mises institute says something doesn't make it true. In fact, if the Mises institute says something, it is almost certain that it is not true.
>Communism shit-talking CCCP
>kys, profilgate
Yeah, even Lenin admitted that it was state-capitalism, but that doesn't make it a genuine attempt at communism, and the most influential socialist project to date.
>implying capitalism is natural
>neglects to explain why nature didn't start until a few centuries ago
Retard. Open a book on microeconomics some times. This is what economic mainstream uses.
en.wikipedia.org
>Anyone who is * would be dead in 5 seconds if their ideal world came to fruition
fill in the blank
anarchist
communist
libertarian
fascist
etc...
actually pretty much whenever you have a revolution attempting to change society, a lot of people die.
just saying.
this thread is fags
CNN extorted a person for ratings and you guys are here circle jerking.
It's not shit-talking the CCCP. It's an admission that despite everything you just said being true, the USSR ended up sucking. It had its achievements and we can learn from it. But even the tankiest of tanks admit it was a fail.
I know that "mainstream" (aka Austrian/neoclassical) economists use, once they realized they had to abandon the labor theory of value the classical economists created cuz Marx used it to fuck their gravy train up.
Go ahead and let me know when you find a way to quantify the utility of an icecream cone on a hot summer day. Until then, take the imaginary laws for the imaginary world your theory relies on and shove it up your dumb ass.
Idgaf that CNN outed some dumbass Trumpist who would probably happily dox any left-winger he could find. Neither does anyone else who doesn't suffer from autism and spend all day on Sup Forums.
>communism is so fucking impossible that even though tens of dozens of nations thought about doing it, and revolted for it, and really badly wanted it, millions of people have tried to try it. NOBODY EVER HAS EVEN MADE IT SO FAR AS TO EVEN AS MUCH AS TRIED IT.
>NOT EVEN ONCE
this meme is so fucking tired, go fuck yourself.
your mom spends all day on Sup Forums
Surplus value objectively doesn't exist. The Labor Theory of Value has been decisively and one-sidedly disproven. What you ignorantly call "theft" isn't real. You had to make up a nonsnse definition of "value" to justify your criminal ideology, and even then you couldn't fake it well.
Your ideology is literally just criminality. This is why you get smacked off your feet every time you open your mouths.
Nope. LtV is fake. There is no empirical measurement of value except market indication. Period. Communist losers also didn't fuck up anything, they lost every single argument decisively and one sidedly.
>there is no empirical measurement of value period
FTFY
Both the subjective theory of value and the labor theory of value are arbitrary, as serious economists know and recognize. They are also not, contrary to Mises Institute propaganda, mutually exclusive. But to pretend either one is some kind of hard science that has "decisively disproven" the other is hilarious, and the kind of sleight-of-hand capitalist scum have always used to justify their illegitimate power and condition the masses to do the same.
>You will notice that more often than not the supporters of marginal utility prefer to give “examples” about water and diamonds, rather than ordinary mass-produced commodities, that can be reproduced at will. They fail to explain, for instance, why the price of bread in the shops is the same for the hungry unemployed person as it is for the millionaire tycoon, despite the fact that the marginal utility of an additional unit is a thousand times more for the former than the latter. This is conveniently swept under the carpet by these theorists.
Any ethical exchange is capitalism.
Most other systems are collectivist thuggery.
Words like "incentive" and "legacy" mean very little to you. You are The Borg. The Borg is you.
Why not just be a fascist? Just the racism thing?
>has to redefine capitalism in order to defend it
Solid point bro.
There are no capitalist anarchists.
>The apologists of the “free market” constantly attack the Marxist critique of capitalism. They attempt to ridicule Marxist ideas by simply distorting and twisting what Marx actually said. They deliberately mix up value with market price, which are two different concepts, in order to “prove” the flaws within Marxist economics. In reality, as Marx explained, prices do not directly correspond to value due to the vagaries of the market but tend to oscillate above and below it as if on an axis. They deny exploitation under capitalism as, according to them, profit is not the unpaid labour of the working class, but simply seen as a “remuneration” for “taking a risk” and paying wages to workers before they begin to produce anything. This, once again, is to turn reality on its head. As any worker will testify, it is they who have to work a week or a month “in hand” before they receive any wages, thereby extending credit to the capitalist, and not the other way around.
>Believing in the value theory of labor...ever
MFW Commies can't into the economic calculation
In the final analysis, all theories are tested by reality. In the period of capitalist boom, these free-marketeers were very much in vogue -- until the great crash of 2008, which ushered in the biggest crisis of over-production since the 1930s. This shattered the theories of “equilibrium” economics, which understood nothing and foresaw nothing. If a market economy is supposed to rest on a general equilibrium with thousands of markets efficiently interconnected by prices reflecting the stable tastes of millions of people, then this has clearly failed. The standard models of marginal analysis, all based on Say’s Law, proved to be bankrupt. Events have shown that the so-called equilibrium model of capitalism, despite its mathematical niceties, is a total folly, divorced from reality, from everyday life. In contrast, today’s events have proved the correctness of the law of value and the Marxist critique of capitalism. Today’s events are ample proof that crisis is not a flaw in the capitalist mode of production, but an essential part of it.
>there is no empirical measurement of value period
Definition of empirical
1 ) originating in or based on observation or experience
merriam-webster.com
>MY EXPERIENNCE IS OBJECTIVE, I SWEAR I DONT EVEN HAVE VALUES
lol, does your mom ever tell you, you are a flaming faggot.
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>lel i put maths on my imaginary free market world so it's automatically sciency
LTV has stood the test of time, and the subjective theory of value doesn't even come close to "debunking" it. It's simply preferred because 1. it makes economics easier 2. it allows the kinds of people who get paid to defend capitalism to make sweatshop labor sound fair.
There are no capitalist anarchists.
Anarchy means no state
Ancap is literally the only form of valid anarchy.
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>pretends marginal utility is objective
>zero proof beyond "bourgeois economists said so"
>no critical thinking ability
KYS
>Maths on markets
>He wouldn't know an Austrian if it hit him in the face
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, wewlad
That
Looks like it was made in 2009 by a 12 year old
>lol Mises again
And feudalism was an improvement over agrarian slavery. So what?
P R A X E O L O G Y
No no no no.
Rich people are bad, brown people are good.
I can't even believe I have to explain this shit to you people...like eugh...seriously.
I.
CAN'T.
EVEN.
Continuing:
You can't force community in anarchy, as you're now making a state.
If people decide to share (taxes), then good for them.
this
Based Aussie.
Is that why anarchism was explicitly anti-capitalist from the very beginning up until that funny little guy Rothbard came along and embarrassed himself?
Measurement is not objective it is always subject to the observer.
you cant even read right.
you guys are fucking pathetic.
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>pretends surplus "theft" is objective
>zero proof beyond "bourgeois economists said so"
>no critical thinking ability
and bitcoin (anarcho capitalism) is an improvement on leftarchism, whats your point?
>I know that "mainstream" (aka Austrian/neoclassical)
It's actually called neo-Keynesian so you don't even know what are you talking about. Nice try though.
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Anarchy has always been no forced state. No masters.
>LTV has stood the test of time
by imploding?
Leftys can't into meme. It's a shame.
>bitcoin
>ancap flag
Autist.
source? milton is the first to write of the anark, in paradise lost. he said nothing aboiut so called surplus "theft"
if you werent the first you are in the same spot you claim ancaps are in
LOL. You are the one claiming to have the "empirical" theory here while I did the exact opposite. Sorry that you confused yourself.
>Austrians
>Mainstream
pls go. The state is so high on Keynes it doesn't know whether start smashing windows or burning crops first to "stimulate" the economy
Why are leftists memes so forced?
Anarchism has nothing to do with dastardly communism...
Anarchists are redpilled, commies are just institutionalized loserdom
(((anarcho)))-capitalists
These are left-wingers, they hate nationalism. They want open boarders for all. Literal jewish shills.
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>bourgeois economists don't like it
>"imploded"
Not how it works
> t. don't know what is spontaneous order of the market
> t. doesn't recognize the market as the best anarchism ever
>Inherited small business from my dad
>mfw I'm gonna remain a business-owner for the foreseeable future
Ancoms can have fun larping about their revolution when they're on break, but that coffee ain't gonna make itself~!
>The Labor Theory of Value has been decisively and one-sidedly disproven.
[citation needed]
>STILL tries to claim bitcoin wont work
>ancomm flag
autist
No we don't. You do realize that the only thing stopping you from creating a private army and kill all foreigners is the state, yes?
Niggers wouldn't be allowed into my private society retard.
Thanks, 1433
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value of labor can absolutely be measured empirically.
but this board has ID's I didnt say that.
go fuck yourself
>Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (pronounced [ˈpruːd ɒn] in British English, [pʁu dɔ̃] in French) (January 15, 1809 – January 19, 1865) was a French mutualist political philosopher who was the first individual to call himself an "anarchist"
>He was a libertarian socialist, favoring collective ownership of the means of production by those who used them and worker self-management against capitalist ownership of the means of production.
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Autism and higher IQ... we are intellectually superior
>It's true anarchy!
>Kill all foreigners somewhere just for being foreigners
Doesn't sound very pacifist
Literally mad max
anybody arguing for anarcho-anything is retarded
Both anarchism and communism aim to establish a non-hierarchical (the inherent, "natural" kind) society.
>anarcho-capitalism is pacifist
top kek, NAP only applies to humans (i.e. white people)
This is you.
>ancap: get out of my store nigger
>modern nazi: angela merkel says you now go to jail for trying to keep brown people out of the borders of your store
wtf I love ((the civil rights act)) now
No worries. Enjoy for now. We will bury you.
Here you go 600 pages of why you're a fucking idiot
mises.org
>(the inherent, "natural" kind) society
AAHAHAHAHAHAH this is what leftards actually believe
Exactly when in life did all of the population consent to the state?
>anarchist
>believes in a state just to make real anarchists mad
>somehow thinks this is a solid basis for political thought
how? I thought anarchy was achieved through volunteerism
>value can be measured empirically
This is like the 10th time now that I'm gonna ask for your proof.
LTV depends on every example used to be a succesful business
failed businesses reveal and debunk the LTV for the garbage that is
the workers dont owe all that surplus back to the boss when a business fails.
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what the fuck is this thread
>m-muh rebolution, Bernie can still w-win you guys!
Daydream all you want, just make sure you're polite when you take my order and you might get a tip :^)
lmao
Pinochet wasn't white
Would you kill Pinochet you globalist?
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Autists do tend to know a whole lot about their fantasy world, whether it's the Marvel Universe or "free market" land. Too bad expertise on these nonexistent entities tells us nothing about actual human relations.
Kek
Btw, aren't you tired of explaining entitled, spoiled hobby-commie brats eco 101?
>mises.org
>it's an entire book
users.wfu.edu