Who makes sure all taxes are paid on time in the ideal libertarian society?

Who makes sure all taxes are paid on time in the ideal libertarian society?

Government tax agencies and the police. We're not anarchists.

the jews

> not anarchists
Literally in the name.

In that case what distinguishes libertarianism from any other gutter-tier neoconservative American bullshit ideol-

>tripfag
Welp, I'm done here.

Who pays the tax agencies and the police?

There are no taxes, dumbass.

The local warlord who pays the merc army to collect the taxes.

Where do the bureaucrats and people running the country taking the money from?
Who pays the courts of laws?

>Who pays the courts of laws?

Individuals that have contracts with them. Similar to insurance companies, you're insuring yourself in case somebody commits a criminal act against you.

> Where do the bureaucrats and people running the country taking the money from?
They go to work like the rest of us
> Who pays the courts of laws?
Those who use them.

>ideal libertarian society
Ideal libertarian society means anarchism, which means no bureaucrats.

>steal dude's hat
>his "court" summons me
>don't go
>still have his hat
libertarian paradise

>"b-b-b-but he'd shoot you for violating the NAP"
Then I'd just shoot him first and then take his hat.

Thus we see that libertarian paradise is a war of all against all, just like Hobbes said.

nah thats ancap. most libertarians still want police courts and a small military

>>steal dude's hat
>>his "court" summons me
>>don't go
>>still have his hat
>libertarian paradise

If you don't go and you're found guilty in a reputable court, they will come and seize the hat and charge you for the cost of doing so.

>"b-b-b-but he'd shoot you for violating the NAP"
>Then I'd just shoot him first and then take his hat.

Then you run into the chance of being charged for murder. Laws don't cease to exist in a libertarian society.

>most libertarians still want police courts and a small military

ALL libertarians want police, courts and military. Ancaps believe those things can be provided without a government monopoly.

yup

Did Hobbes do a good job of saying why that is a bad thing?

I feel like life should start with a sign that says, "Tread at your own risk."

I'd then hope that I got some recreational nukes so treading got a little easier, but nobody owes them or anything else to me.

>being this retarded
anarcho-capitalism, even though I hate the term, is libertarianism taken to its logical conclusion.

Who lets you know you have to enter a contract with the court of laws to use them?

Whoever pays the government the most on time gets best and most prompt service. Also the death penalty would be a large fine you would have to pay instead of jail time.

Who lets you know you have to go buy food at the grocery store? Who lets you know that you need to buy homeowners insurance?

We're very social creatures, basic knowledge gets around pretty easily.

>If you don't go and you're found guilty in a reputable court, they will come and seize the hat and charge you for the cost of doing so.
Thus violating the NAP.

>but you stole his hat and violated it first
Says who? The court he's paying to say that? Sounds like a just and fair system immune to bribes and shady backroom deals.

>but the court is reputable and would never lie
Yeah, it's not like reputable accounting audit services that fulfil a very similar function to these private courts in practice would ever lie about the state of Enron's finances in exchange for kickbacks.

>Laws don't cease to exist in a libertarian society.
Laws that aren't enforced don't exist.

>Did Hobbes do a good job of saying why that is a bad thing?
No, because it doesn't really need explaining.
Anyone who isn't a fundamentally broken human being sees the advantages of the Leviathan in broad strokes. Details do matter, don't get me wrong, but we wouldn't have states if we didn't all generally speaking want them.

>but i don't want them because i want to be able to murder and nuke people as i please
Like I said, it's because you're a fundamentally broken human being who is missing the part of his brain that understands community and empathy.

You're like the adolescent wolf that gets kicked out of the pack because he won't stop biting people. Being a lone wolf might have badass aura, but you just end up dead faster in real life.

How do you decide who handles international matters with other countries? Who pays for the national army? Who pays for international aid to Israel?
How do different brands of Police decide who works on which case? Who pays them if the criminal is never found?

nigger what are you saying? are you denying that theres a difference?

Who decides the value of the item that was stolen?
>steal your hamburger
>eat it
>police comes to me but can't take the hamburger away from me
>charges me the price of the hamburger

>steal your son's drawings
>it has no monetary value so the police can only charge me the price of the paper and ink

there would probably be more bounty hunters and private investigators. they would function like insurance companies

>Thus violating the NAP.

Nope, if you steal my property, then I have the right to use force to take it back. I'm not initiator of force, you were.

>Says who? The court he's paying to say that? Sounds like a just and fair system immune to bribes and shady backroom deals.

How would a private court stay in business if they were taking bribes to deliver judgments? The only way a private court stays in business is by being as transparently unbiased as possible, so they can get all parties of disputes to agree to use them. See the history of arbitration.

>but the court is reputable and would never lie
See above.

>Laws that aren't enforced don't exist.
Private courts can enforce laws quite easily, see above.

I'm saying that anarcho-capitalism is libertarianism.

>Who decides the value of the item that was stolen?

How is the value determined in the current system? Why would it be any different?

>How do you decide who handles international matters with other countries?
Every person is his own country (only the most of them are occupied today)
> Who pays for the national army?
The military themselves, as they buy their own guns today, and their neighbours while military work as police forces for their neighbours
> Who pays for international aid to Israel?
lol, jews of course (who do you think does it today)

It's libertarianism, not anarchism. If the law says you have to pay taxes, and you don't, you're not let off of the hook because "muh liburty". I don't know what the general libertarian consensus is on the IRS, but I don't think they do any wrong.

>if you steal my property, then I have the right to use force to take it back
I didn't steal it. It's my hat. I refuse to participate in your kangaroo court. I talked to my friends at the bar and they believe me. You're just paying the court to come down on your side. Fuck you, once again we see how "justice" is just a conceit to let the rich enforce their demands through our corrupt "court" system.

etc. etc.

>How would a private court stay in business if they were taking bribes to deliver judgments?
How do shady companies stay in business today, retard? You realise those accounting firms that fucked up in the Enron situation still actually continue to exist, right?

Your entire argument rests on an infallible system of reputation that not only has not been proven to work, but has been proven not to work. Enron is just one of a long list of examples where private auditors have fallen prey to the conflicting interests of chief executives. Do you even know what agency costs are? Agency costs are the costs involved of making sure that decision makers are actually making decisions in the best interest of the company and not themselves. Agency costs are a well-established fact of business because there will always be the guy willing to sell a multi-million dollar accounting firm's reputation down the creek for a huge fat bonus before he parachutes out to his fully-funded retirement.

>BUT IT'S A SELF-CORRECTING PROBLEM
I'd rather not have cancer in the first place than get it and have it fixed after a decade of treatment.

You people are naive fucking retards.

would you call Ron Paul an anarcho-capitalist?

Taxes is robbery, that's a fundamental principle of libertarianism. No unwanted services should be obligatory.

No.

People who believe that there should be no taxes are as retarded as Communists.

We literally have no rights without a governing body to enforce them. You can act tough and say, "As long as I got muh gunz ain't nobody takin my rights" but that means nothing when you're outstrengthed and outnumbered.

For example, a Cholo named Jose rapes your daughter. Who's gonna prosecute Jose for raping your daughter? You are? Alright, but don't expect anyone to protect you when Jose's boys come knocking on your door.

Government would have no equipment to protect you from Jose's boys without at least some taxation.

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so what is he?

He's a minarchist libertarian.

Ancaps do support a governing body. They just want that governing body to operate through the market where you pay for services via a competing service providers, rather then by a small group of elites that leach off everyone's money and throws those that don't pay them in prison.

Jews

minarchist, like most libertarians

This is a huge difference between Ancaps and other anarchist. Ancaps at least understand that hierarchy is needed for society to operate; they just want to decentralize that hierarchy as much as possible without negatively impacting societies efficiency and individual rights.

>taxes

>taxes
>society
libertarians want to abolish both, while they claim they want a state that has police and basic services, they also deeply want to abolish the state and make sure there are no taxes going to necessities like law enforcement

yes, yes you are

There's libertarianism and then there's Anarcho-capitalism

one has minor taxations and the other has none

what the fuck are taxes, you socialist commie trash ?

Ancaps want no taxes. They want the police to be privatized (which has been shown to actually work much better then tax funded police forces, to their credit). They also want a private court system which has also worked fine throughout history. I believe that part of the current US court system is still privatized actually. I see no reason the individual parts of an Ancap society wouldn't work since there are examples of everything they want already working. The big Ancap experiment, though, is how will the people like and deal with having everything privatized. I think under certain cultures it would work fine (mostly Anglo culture and some European cultures). I just think it is very culture dependent. You have to have an extremely individualistic culture that puts personal responsible in high regard (lots of the USA fits this description, particularly the rural white areas).

Fucking thank you, so many retarded misunderstandings in these threads. Not even an ancap but people act like so many problems can't be solved without the state.

An ideal libertarian society is essentially minarchism, in which law enforcement still exists, so the police enforce the laws. Taxes are just bills for public service, or in a minarchist society, just public security.

If you are referring to ancap, there are no taxes, as there is no state. You'd pay the entities that provide you with security, water, electricity, etc. however they want to.

>I think under certain cultures it would work fine (mostly Anglo culture and some European cultures).
A lot of ancaps already understand this, which is why you see a lot of so-called "alt-right libertarians" and a lot of ancaps who advocate for physical removal.