Why did Russia cuck itself by allowing the Soviet Union to collapse?

Why did Russia cuck itself by allowing the Soviet Union to collapse?

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Because no one wanted to live equally poor. Economic model was unsustainable. Hyper collectivism does not work long term. End

It should not have given its energy rich states. Then again, they're full of non whites.

How were the boarders drawn after collapse?

Was a historic national decision or did (((NATO))) have their hands in it?

The borders were already drawn. It was a union of nations. Hence the Union in USSR.

Betrayal of communists elite of the Interests of russia

Beause the Soviet Union is not Russia.

Yes it was lmao retard

Russia cucked itself by allowing the Soviet Union to happen.

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> this burger education
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union

Germany cucked the planet by supporting the bolsheviks to get Russia out of WW1.

>being such a non-country that you are called "borderlands" (of Russia)

It wasn't you nigger. The Soviet Union was a borderless union made out of soviet republics. Russia was a soviet repulbic like Ukraine, Moldova, Kazakhstan, etc.

Because vomusim is a cancer that kills countries. Communists must die

> How were the boarders drawn after collapse?
Obviously according to interstate borders within the Soviet Union.

This was due to the fault of the mentally retarded tsar.

They didn't allow it to collapse. The CIA forced it to collapse. They rigged the 1994 elections to make Yeltsin win even though the communist party was way more successful.

Of Poland actually. Russians called it Little Russia.

There is a reason why so many Russians hold high admiration for leaders like Stalin and Lenin but have an almost unanimous distaste for Gorbachev and Tsar Nicolas. While the leadership of the Soviet Union built Russia as a global superpower Gorbachev and the last Tsar both abdicated their own power and brought Russia defeat and hardship.

Basically the reason Soviet Union came to be in the first place was that countries in the west supported left-wing version of ISIS to weaken the Russian Empire. The monstrocity that resulted was unsustainable since the country was incapable of providing its population with bread (USSR bought grain in Canada! Modern RF with all its oligarchs and crazy-ass corruption is a grain exporter) and fucking toilet paper.
After a time, the soviet elites decided to secede and the central government could do nothing, since it was heavily in debt and could not afford a Yugoslavia-style civil war.

Lesson: fuck communism, fuck marxism and fuck central planing.

Because they had no idea Charlie Wilson was funding some goat herders to destroy their army and they were like fuck this I ain't doin' no god damn Vietnam

The state capitalism reformed by Brezhnev ruined the country.

> There is a reason why so many Russians hold high admiration for leaders like Stalin and Lenin but have an almost unanimous distaste for Gorbachev and Tsar Nicolas

Gorbatchov yes, Nicholas - not exactly true, Lenin is not viewed in high regard. Stalin is viewed in high regard because many people believe that if any other leader was ruling the USSR Germany would win WW2 and all Russians would be sent to concentration camps. With that kind of messaging it is easy for leftards to justify shit like collectivisation and mass deportations. "10 million people had to die so that we would have enough tanks to that every single Russian would not be genocided by Hitler". Literally that.

>left-wing version of ISIS
Yes because Marxism-Leninism has so much in common with salafist jihadism

Wrong. Planned economics ruined the Soviet Union.

One needs only look at how the railroad was managed to see this. Production quotas from factories resulted in high productivity, but the resources were unneeded and unused. Trains were sent on pointless circular journeys to haul goods like iron and coal through siberia, dump it into a pile, and then go back and get some more. Very productive, very inefficient.

> Basically the reason Soviet Union came to be in the first place was that countries in the west supported left-wing version of ISIS to weaken the Russian Empire.
actually Tsarist Russia was weak as a pussy.
But then the "evul gomunists" built a superpower.

levada.ru/2017/06/26/vydayushhiesya-lyudi/

Lenin is fourth meanwhile Nicholas scored below 6%

Because we are naive, stupid people who learn only after experiencing very painful mistakes.

The fact that the USSR managed to turn from a feudal agrarian empire into a industrialized empire in several years that helped them defend against the Nazis is a testament to the system.

The thing about Tsarist Russia was that the Romanovs were complete degenerates. Partook in degenerate activists like attending homofag bars, bled the country dry in several dumb attempts at relevance and overall kept Russia in the feudal age.

Of course nu-Sup Forums will defend this degeneracy because hey MAH FWEE MAWKETS.

>My unsourced strawman of central planning is why the soviet union failed
fucking burgers

> Yes because Marxism-Leninism has so much in common with salafist jihadism

When it comes to the number of people genocided, ISIS are pussies compared to Tuchachevski, Frunze and Lenin, let alone Stalin.

>But then the "evul gomunists" built a superpower.
...that failed miserably and was on the verge to become greatest wasteland, but group of nationalists took over and it's now slowly becoming strong and respected.


ftfy

the monarchy was the scum on earth, good thing they all get shoot, kids included

Okay, if short term gains for long term losses are your thing, sure! Choose communism.

who drew this and why did he fuck up so badly

Russians only like Stalin because he managed to defeat Hitler (who killed 3,000,000 Russians so he was a big threat to the average Soviet citizen).

>"SOVIET STRONK!"
>provides no sources
>"Here's why the USSR collapsed."
>"WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES????"

This isn't a university, and you are not a professor.

Communists in the USSR were nationalists. They destroyed the fag degeneracy of the old Tsarist system. Sure briefly under Lenin you had a period of anti-Church, anti-social conservative tendencies, but this quickly subsided. It wasn't even Stalin that changed the course. Lenin realised it was a mistake and rolled back. Stalin just continued his work.

Actually the height of the Soviet military came in the 1970s and 80s. Like I said the long term gains were unrealized because of the adoption of State capitalism later on that crashed the country.

> levada.ru/2017/06/26/vydayushhiesya-lyudi/

That poll was about "greatest people", some would interpret that question as "most famous Russians" or "most prominent Russians", which is why Pushkin is third. More correct polling would be to ask which historic personality did the most good for the country.
From personal experience talking to various Russians even Russian leftards, Lenin is not viewed in high regard. "Lenin destroyed the empire, Stalin brought the empire back", something like that.

It's practically the same reason the Nicaraguan canal failed: over 50% of Chinese centrally-planned ventures fail, like all of those fucking ghost cities that litter the Chinese landscape for the sole reason of being built.

>state capitalism

Because Stalinist Russia NEVER participated in the global markets. EVER.

Try to find one revolution in which ideological opponents were not killed or oppressed, had the whites won similar repressions would have happened on just a large scale, just because you preform summary executions doesn't make you ISIS.

>There is a reason why so many Russians hold high admiration for leaders like Stalin and Lenin
Yeah, the reason is that they are brainwashed useful idiots that don't know their history. Gorbachev and Nicholas were cucks, true. But USSR is the worst thing that happened to Russia.
>While the leadership of the Soviet Union built Russia as a global superpower
No, they've built a technological and industrial colony for their foreign masters, who helped them take over Russia in the first place. And Russians payed with millions of lives for this. When USSR served its purpose they've just shut it down.

> actually Tsarist Russia was weak as a pussy. But then the "evul gomunists" built a superpower.

Tsarist Russia could feed itself, USSR got into debt buying grain in Canada. That makes all the talk of nuclear missiles and the space program irrelevant.

So did the US, we didn't need gulags to do it though. There is nothing that the USSR did that can be justified. It was an evil leadership through and through. The best thing that happened to it was that it died. Nothing crushed the left as much as watching their idol die its ignoble death.

I wouldn't say that they're 'brainwashed' for liking Stalin and Lenin, because those leaders brought the country out of hard times (even if maybe they helped cause them).

It's little different than why FDR is well liked by Liberals.

>USSR got into debt buying grain in Canada
It inherited the debt from Tsarist Russia dumbass, because the Romanovs drove the country into the ground and not only was this just after a World War (which the Romanovs lost because they didn't modernize the Army and instead spent all the money on gay orgies)

>briefly under Lenin you had a period of anti-Church, anti-social conservative tendencies, but this quickly subsided.

N millions of death

>breafly

than, experiments in botany resulting with more than 20 million ukies dead

kek

but at least they tried kek


>nationalists
>jews

pick one

> burgers tomahawked Assad's airbase
> becoming strong and respected.
> burgers shot down Assad's jet
> becoming strong and respected.
> Far East is sold to the Chinese
> becoming strong and respected.

>Thinking communism=no trade

I provided the source of the study which polled Russians on greatest historical figure, if you are going to talk about some example of a problem with central planning it would make sense to cite an actual source which mentions said example.

No, communism with trade = state capitalism. Isn't that your argument?

And yet Stalin was still voted in as the most loved and respected Russian.

>nationalists
>jews

>pick one

A completely simplistic view of history. Pretty sure you're a burger.

ok you live there so tell me, what do you want? Yeltsin-style democracy? Back to communist shit where you all dreamed about fucking macdonalds for 50 years?

what do you want? and how are you going to achieve it?

> Like I said the long term gains were unrealized because of the adoption of State capitalism later on that crashed the country.

USSR had no state capitalism, there was a single building in Moscow (Gosplan) that gave quotas to all factories all over the country based on stupid marxist theories. No market mechanisms led to the situation where factories had no reason to make decent products since there was no competition and wheat was rotting in the fields since state-owned farms did not care enough to gather the crops.
Again, USSR bought grain in Canada! Superpowers don't rely on Canadian wheat bought by dollars made from selling oil. Even Russia has a more decent economic system than that crap.

>So did the US
The US had massive exploitation and workers rights issues and it took many decades leaving the country in a great depression.

And kulaks deserved it too, right? Seriously kys, you commies scum.
I really hope I'll see the day when the kike mummy will be removed from the Red Square.
But seeing all these brainwashed commies among my fellow Russians is making me pessimistic about it.

rferl.org/a/russia-lenin-positive-role-levada-poll/28441045.html
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First reason was a productional crisis. In soviet union there were *norms* of goods for the year. For example 1 billion rolls of toilet paper, 100 million toothbrushes etc etc, 10k cars. Who was left without goods can went fuck himself and waited in a queue. When crisis came to food people got mad. When Gorbachev ban alcohol people got very angry. Everybody hate communism, everybody.
Second reason was a nationalism in Ukraine, Kazahstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia, Georgia, Lithuania, Estonia. Nobody like russians in these republics today and then.

>unironically defending the degeneracy of the Romanov family

The USSR is probably the first empire in history where the ones supposedly running the show were the earliest and most vocal proponents of pulling out. It just goes to show you that the Russians never really ran the Soviet Union. The bolsheviks were Jews, Stalin was a Georgian, and Khrushchev was Ukrainian.

underrated post

Keep crying, Sovietaboo.

> It inherited the debt from Tsarist Russia dumbass, because the Romanovs drove the country into the ground and not only was this just after a World War (which the Romanovs lost because they didn't modernize the Army and instead spent all the money on gay orgies)

It did not inherit any debt from the Russian Empire for obvious reason (bolsheviks simply decided we will not pay anything since we are a different country now).
The February revolution was a military coup where "hungry workers and farmers" had nothing to say. World War 1 was lost in many ways because left-wing agitators led to the collapse of the frontline, not because of German military victories or the fact that Russia was unprepared for WW1.

But again for commies out there, all that shit had nothing to do with why USSR bought grain in Canada, the sole reason the country could not feed itself was because the "Kolkhoz" system was retarded as shit and led to crops rotting in the fields.
LOL, there were widespread cases where young scientists and students had to work one day a week sorting rotting potatoes at warehouses! Not a joke!
Did the Czar do that too?

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The UK was and still is ran by Germans, and Stalin purged most jews from the CPSU Politburo.

>Did the Czar do that too?
Yes? He made several half-assed attempts to "fix" the country in an attempt to stay in power, while his brother fucked fags and was renown throughout the Tsarist-supported gay bars throughout Moscow.

i would argue that sponsoring left-wing agitators was german tactical victory

>what do you want?
National-communism
>and how are you going to achieve it?
Nothing happens. Everything is already lost. Our country will be spammed by Muslims, and annexed by China.

>Basically the reason Soviet Union came to be in the first place was that countries in the west supported left-wing version of ISIS to weaken the Russian Empire.

You mean Germany. Britain and France tried to keep the monarchy in power and then supported White generals to try to keep Russia in World War I.

Stalin purged a lot of people.

> Second reason was a nationalism in Ukraine, Kazahstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia, Georgia, Lithuania, Estonia. Nobody like russians in these republics today and then.

And now Central Asians wait in mile-long lines for a chance to clean toilets in Moscow for slave wages).

>the abomination that was known as the Soviet Union fell apart and will never come back

Good fucking riddance.

Kolkhozes were introduced after the hunger of 1929-1931. The state couldn't convince farmers to sell products at the said price, and the shit went down. No famines ever since.

Opponents of Kolhozes marginalized and eventually purged, as tons of dead bodies needed to be avenged somehow.

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red army, pogrom.

They couldnt stop it collapsing, but they could limit the damage to russia itself

Yeah, plenty of which were those or Trotskyists. And you did not want to get fucking Trotsky in power. He would've started a war with the entire world to 'export the revolution' and today Russia would be about the size of Ukraine or Belarus.

Yeah and lenin had 9 rolls royces

> Yes? He made several half-assed attempts to "fix" the country in an attempt to stay in power, while his brother fucked fags and was renown throughout the Tsarist-supported gay bars throughout Moscow.

First of all, its OK to be gay!
Second of all, again, Russian Empire had an economic system where the country could feed itself. USSR had crops rotting in the fields and grain bought in Canada by money lended by Deutsche Bank.
That is different weight categories when it comes to failed states.

> The state couldn't convince farmers to sell products at the said price, and the shit went down. No famines ever since.

Massive famines after the war, grain shortages under Brezhnev. No hunger because, again, Canadian grain bought by dollars from selling oil.

The American is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Burger and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “W-without fries?!”

Soviet Union was a communist empire and as we all know communism never work.

And? His predecessors had a lot more.

>First of all, its OK to be gay!
It's not.

>all i want is abstract, schizophrenic combination of extremes while doing nothing in fact

no wonder you have such low national self-esteem

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>Union

Lol. It was Russian empire 2: socialist edition. You're retarded if you think russia, Russian culture, Russian language, and Russian nationalism weren't at the forefront of Soviet ideology

>Why did Russia cuck itself by allowing the Soviet Union to collapse?
"Allowing"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Socialism ALWAYS FUCKING FAILS. There was nothing they could do to stop it.

Stalin murdered many more people than Hitler. Both are unspeakable monsters, but it is important to know that Stalin was a greater demon than Hitler.

>Why did Russia cuck itself by allowing the Soviet Union to collapse?
Russia cucked itself when tsar didn't kill those farmers marching to capital.
Russia was based during 19th century with rising production rates developing infrastructure,science and other "Western" goods.
Issue was that your average village nigger couldn't understand the importance of inequality and so when genetic trash came to power the whole mega-Russia aka USSR turned to shitter.
Reality is harsh but you can't tell reality to 60 year old kids for whom thinking was replaced by state ideology...

> Russian culture, Russian language, and Russian nationalism

Russian culture is the only reason the Soviet Union survived for 70 whole years without ending up like fucking Cambodia.

>Romanovs
>good

Nope. I'll never defend degenerate fudge packers.

What do you mean and? Dictatorship of the proletariat and then he goes on to have 9 rolls royces and issues orders like these. Communism is for retards.

Because he defeated Hitler, who killed 3,00,00 Russians and tried to invade Russia and start a genocide campaign there.

why are you so obsessed with homosexuality? are you gay but hiding it?

it's common that people that express such extensive hatred toward something, on unconscious level desire it.

You dream about dicks filling your holes aren't ya?

*3,000,000

I don't like a dick in my ass, but I love to be inside a man's ass. You guys should try it.. its not bad.