Why do so many libertarians become alt-right/conservative?

Why do so many libertarians become alt-right/conservative?

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because it sucks being 100% wrong 100% of the time

Puberty only lasts so long.

When everyone treads on you for being white, it's time to support some sort of fascism. Then we'll go back to libertarianism.

You don't have enough rounds and enough guns to fend off what's coming for us, even if you mortgaged your house and bought an entire stockpile of it.

Because liberty is an intersocial value.

Because while libertarianism is the ideal, its rather obvious that the populace wants authoritarianism. If you can't beat them, then you may as well push the type of authoritarianism you can live with and benefit from.

You're question is anecdotal in nature so you'll get that kind of answer in return.

>libertarians can't appreciate liberties without a homeland. When a homeland is swarmed with other people who demand their liberties take prece over your own because of how to heir own homeland taught them, your libertarian thinking becomes reactionary to the threat posed by the invader for stepping on your perceived rights and freedoms

>pakis imposing sharia zones on a native population in Europe.

Mainly because minorities and anti-whites don't respect the ideal of libertarianism, and libertarians have no way to fight this aside from full on physical removal and helicopter rides.

A 1st world country with open borders will never be libertarian.

Because we're being tread on. We wouldn't be otherwise.

because they're incurable retards

Because a libertarian society in modern day America would not be able to function

It's called paleolibertarian. Alt-right is about style.

>this
demographics come to mind

libertarianism is the cucks last ideology before going full nationalist.

that and Gary Johnson

It's the natural process. Your ideals and principles are only possible in a culture and environment where there is high social trust, intellectual honesty and concepts like law are valued. As your country starts to look more and more like a 3rd world country, it's time to re-evaluate your stance according to demographic realities. When your principles on liberty degrade to the point of arguing against laws like Stop and Frisk because the cities have degenerated so badly that laws like Stop and Frisk actually become helpful to preventing crime, it's time to re-evaluate your principles according to political realities. I still value libertarian ideals. But these ideals will die in time if we don't take a stand now.

libertarianism as a whole is too idealistic to actually function, similar to gommunism.

in a perfect world, they'd both make great little countries but they both discount too much the vagaries of human nature

Because left becomes more and more communist.

Everyone either hates freedom or doesn't understand what freedom is. Libertarianism has always been a dying movement.

It's not them becomes more authoritative, it's them realizing they are being threaded on all the time and asking politely didn't work.

because its easier to compromise on rules than expect everyone to be rational with that much freedom

Libertarian is Utopian like Communism. Both systems claim that the human can be moral the vast majority of the time. This is the opposite of the truth which was once called the Sinful Nature of Man. (The major religions used to preach against sin but then they got tempted by money and stopped mentioning sin. Funny how that works.)

Anarchy is in a similar boat. If humans were innately moral, it would work. Because humans are innately selfish none of the Utopian societies can last very long. Someone will always bend the rules a little, then a little more, and so on until fair play is a joke.

That's why the sour Lefties got Trump and not Johnson.

>Everyone either hates slave morality or doesn't understand what slave morality is.

someone post that snake and boot pic

Because Libertarians demographics are made up mostly white men who value competition and personal responsibility. Everything that the current plague of Cultural Marxists and Zionists seek to eliminate and destroy. Many are moving away from the mainstream libertarian platform because it cucks itself trying to appeal to hostile elements on the left that seeks to destroy it by promoting open borders and degeneracy, instead of focusing on the economy. Libertarianism is supposed to be a very right wing philosophy that is Darwinistic nature. It promotes Classical Liberalism and individual freedom, but under the pretense that degenerate behavior is product of a welfare state and wouldn't be subsidized in a free market society.

Ayn Rand all but uses the word "cuckservative" throughout the novels but even she acknowledges that the base conservatism is operating from is a valid one. Unlike progressiveism, both of which are manners in which to regard Liberalism. Liberalism is flawed compared to Objectivism but if enacted properly Liberalism at least has it's merits.
Liberalism being "left" and opposed to conservatism is to misunderstand (and many """report""" on this misunderstanding purposefully) the nature of these terms. In the past "Liberalism" was used as shorthand to what was actually meant: "more liberal action" "liberal progress never slowing". Now we have the term "Progressive" which reflects the actual interplay of terminologies going on. The left of old essentially claimed the mantle of ""Liberalism"" to imply their opposition wasn't. Even the right fell for this. The truth is that both are Liberal; just that in the left's case they are Progressive Liberals. Which in reality is falsely Liberal.
The thing Conservatives are trying to *conserve* is Classical Liberalism. Which is to say the liberalism of the founding fathers. We Conservatives know that Liberalism has two forms: conserving liberal values, and progressing liberal values. We Conservatives also know that activism is a bell-curve on a graph; that on that graph there is such a thing as too much activism and that more and more of it starts to degrade society where previously it improved it. The Progressive (which is to say wrong) view of Liberalism is that activism for it must keep going more and more never stopping. The Conservative view of Liberalism states that the "sweet spot" can be reached and once activism starts to go too far and starts to harm, we must then conserve the best, provably working, amount of perfect realistic Liberalism.

The only "progression" that ever properly occurred in Liberalism was the civil rights movement and Ayn Rand's completion of the only flaw in the founding father's creation.

Whites don't respect the ideal of libertarianism either.

>A 1st world country with open borders will never be libertarian.

And a 1st world country with closed borders is even less likely to become libertarian.

Cause most of us are tired of Left-wing "libertarians" cucks like Gary Johnson and almost 100% of the Libertarian Party

Libertarianism is a great idea but can not be put into work while half the country is leeching liberal faggots. A strong right wing is the only way to protect the nation. Libertarianism is just a fairy tale.

Sometimes you need to dole out fascism to get your liberty back.

>Why do so many libertarians become alt-right/conservative?
Can you explain to me what a Libertarian would find attractive about the contemporary left?

Because many people don't have convictions. The very premise of the alt-right - that you owe something to your in-group, your ethnicity - is fundamentally contradictory to libertarian theory.

"Libertarians" who abandon that for the comforts of group identity politics have no integrity.

We don't. Idiot.

We become Ancaps.
Because there's a point at which your tired of asking nicely to not be tread on

>implying ancaps matter at all.

>The very premise of the alt-right - that you owe something to your in-group, your ethnicity - is fundamentally contradictory to libertarian theory.
Correct/ But making the choice to give something to your in group, your ethnicity, is completely sound within "Libertarian Theory."

Conservative and libertarian the same thing. I don't see how WN's are conservative.

There is a reason people mock lolbertariansim. They detect, whether they realize it or not, what Libertarianism is missing. The questions it doesn't even try to answer.
Libertarianism is incomplete Objectivism. Objectivism without the epistemology.
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Objectivism is Nationalist, Capitalist, Individualist, Egoist, Libertarian, Minarchist, and Meritocratic all rolled into one.

Yes, but you don't "choose" to do that in the alt-right ideal world. It is taken from you "for the greater good" of your in-group. It is a purely authoritarian philosophy, the opposite of libertarian.

Evolution.

because open borders don't work in reality

Because big name libertarians started pandering non-stop to liberals by screaming how much they love drugs, homosexuality and immigrants. The liberals then shit and stomp their faces without missing a beat.
Most people don't want to follow, or even associate with, such huge fools

Because a white country is the only place where libertarianism would work. non-whites tend to be stupid (excluding Asians and (((Jews)))) and violent, and they want a big, wasteful government that will provide for them while they sit on their ass smoking weed and doing cocaine.

LfCap>AnCap because
Minarchism>Anarchism because
Objective law>Polycentric law

Thank you for this

Because, eventually we realize that our ideology provides the perfect circumstances for the rise of an ultra Authoritarian government, NAP or not.

If you think this then you aren't Alt-Right. There is nothing inherent in the genetics of whiteness that makes people good or bad. It is true that white people tend to be more compatible with a free-market, limited-government society, but that's an outgrowth of culture not biology necessarily (maybe a bit taking IQ into account). Even so, the primary for determining who is good and bad, what is just and unjust, are the actions of people not their characteristics.

The Alt-Right asserts that "whiteness" somehow mystically confers goodness on people, and therefore you as a white person can be coerced to provide for other white peoples' benefit. They are white niggers, pure and simple.

>Yes, but you don't "choose" to do that in the alt-right ideal world
I don't know if I disagree or agree with that because I always thought the AltRight was more of a derogatory term made up by Hillary rather than an accurate description of a massive wave of hundreds of millions of right wing thinkers and voters worldwide.
> It is taken from you "for the greater good" of your in-group. It is a purely authoritarian philosophy, the opposite of libertarian.
If your veiw of the AltRight is correct I'd tend to agree with that.
But remember, a Libertarian can make the choice to submit to Authoritarian rule, if you take that away, than Libertarian Theory itself becomes Authoritarian and the contradictions roll ad infinitum.

Agreed

I thought I was a libertarian until I followed multiple libertarian pages and realized being a libertarian is 40% Rand Paul/Justin Amash hero worship, 10% discussion of ideas that would change the world for the better, and 50% trying to persuade the raging anarchist morons to settle down so everyone doesn't look stupid by association.

Upside: I finally understand how Gary Johnson happened

White people are as dumb and violent as anybody else, if not more so. The idea that white people are more libertarian than other races has no basis in reality.

Bandwagon cuckolds who move onto the next popular movement. Literally, that's all they are. These people are like NPCs.

nice presupposition
property and liberty are the ultimate, everything else is decorum as far as I'm concerned

I'm far right, I just like SNEK and to me it just means hippity hoppity get off my property.

Borders.

By definition, as put into words by the philosophical leaders of the modern alt-right, the Alt-Right is an ethnocentric movement. It believes your ethnic identity is paramount, and that states should be designed around that as havens for your genetic heritage.

Libertarians reject this, because to us your genetics, your ethnicity, are irrelevant. Your actions are all that matter. Objectively, that means that a white person who steals is just as bad as a black person who does. It also means that if 99% of thieves are black, then 99% of blacks should be in prison. The same is true for the opposite - that if 99% of white people were thieves they'd be in prison, too. Ethnicity has nothing to do with justice, and is irrelevant to politics.

People conflate angry conservatives with Alt-Right because they don't know where to put them, but alt-right is what it is. It's an ethnocentric movement by definition.

>doesn't understand IQ
>doesn't understand crime rates.

People understand that the rest of the world doesn't play by rational rules of civilization, so you have to stomp them to make them go away.

>no basis in reality
>claims white people commit the same amount of crime per capita as niggers
>equates warfare against a hostile foreign power and military with crime

A libertarian who is pro-open borders is a fucking leftie and you shouldn't trust them, they are commies.

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what is "alt-right"?

Because while Libertarianism is the ideal, the current political and social climate does not allow for it.

In principle I'm a libertarian, but practically in the current year, far-right politics are the necessary correction to a system that has gone astray.

Libertarians must be conservative, to paraphrase Hans Herman Hoppe. It is intrinsic to them.

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Untrue.

A Mexican immigrant who comes to the US to work, to earn, and not to take from others is a better member of society than a white nigger on welfare, period.

Borders are important because we want to be selective with who we decide to admit to our society - the ambitious and productive people - and filter out the collectivist moochers. They are not important as lines to dictate where one ethnicity ends and the other begins.

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borders are implied and aliens are discriminated against, there is literally no other reason for aliens to try to come unless they have a death wish

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Because their belief system is so easily exposed, leaving them only with the choice to either abandon their fantasy of being Elon Musk and become left-libertarian, or become a little Eichmann. They typically choose the last.

>philosophical leaders
>alt-right

Don't flatter yourself, dum dum.

Libertarian is a branch of conservatism.

>didn't read the post
>anarcho-communist

yep, checks out

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because they are fags

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snek thread eh, lets do this

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>White man on welfare
>Mexin immigrant who comes to the US to work, earn.

Look at statistics.

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I went from conservative to libertarian, so It's not really a one way street.

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they don't want the geto to grow

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can we not make this into a snek thread?

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Still libertarian. Allying with right wing temporarily to preserve liberty.
Just like I'd be on hippy left wing side on Vietnam war

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I don't deny statistics, the point is WHY you are turning away immigrants.

If you are turning them away because they aren't white, then you are asserting "whiteness" as the determinant of virtue.

If you are turning them away because they fundamentally disagree with our social standards, that no man can claim the property of another - then you are citing actions as the determinant of virtue.

The former is the Alt-Right mode of thought, the latter is libertarian.

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You will turn into a conservative libertarian at one point or another.

If you don't understand that government violence is criminal, then you're not a libertarian. Sure, non-whites might commit more private crime, but it's white people in government who are robbing trillions of dollars of income from Americans every year through taxes. Police officers are the ones threatening us with prison if we don't conform to the government's thousands of laws. It's thugs in the US military who are the ones bombing and murdering innocent people in wars every year.

it too late

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