Why the fuck can't America have universal healthcare like every other first world nation? It's absurd...

Why the fuck can't America have universal healthcare like every other first world nation? It's absurd. If you are about to say "stop being lazy and asking for gibmedats", you have just been conditioned to not demand stuff that most other citizens in other nations take for granted. The price of healthcare in the USA is absolutely unforgivable.

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I don't want Donald trump in charge of women's healthcare.

The price of insurance is reasonable. Why aren't you insured like a responsible adult?

Might turn out like Canada's.

It really is insane, the worst part is that niggers, women and faggots already get most of there medical care for free from gibs. It's really only working white males who pay.

I don't know what kind of decision I would make if it was up to me. I can afford insurance but I can see how it is out of reach for some people.

My concern about socialized healthcare is it will lower the quality of it. I hear that there are long waits to get treated in Europe. That sounds like "rationing" of healthcare the right talks about. I also worried it will lower the quality of it. America has the most innovations and best healthcare in the world because of the all the money that flows into it.

Healthcare is so fucked, it needs a complete overhaul.

It's like how government student loans have allowed colleges to jack up their prices to ridiculous rates because they know people will get loans and pay.

Healthcare is even worse because there are simple, quick procedures and scans that cost hardly anything to carry out and then you get billed for $3,000. Why? Because fuck you, that's why. Insurance is supposed to cover it. But then half the time your fucking insurance company is nothing but a bunch of greedy cunts too so you have to pay for most of it yourself.

Part of me wants to see single payer get implemented in CA just to watch rich liberals wait in line behind their illiterate gardener. Their only other choice would be paying cash which I'm not sure would even be legal. It would be such a disaster that no other state would dare try it.

the taxpayer and the system cannot sustain the price gouging the healthcare and pharma monopolies engage in. when it costs 20k for room and board alone to stay in a hospital bed for less than a month, if the taxpayer subsidizes that, its a huge burden in a shit economy that is only going to get worse. you don't get good healthcare as a result, you get a jammed system with shit care, you get a middle class with an even tighter noose around its neck

>you have just been conditioned to not demand stuff

Yea because freedom means no government interference. America is unirionically the freest nation on earth.

Why is the state not providing you with basic necessities?

Universal health care is fucking trash you commie

They know the niggers would flood universal healthcare like they do food stamps and Section 8 housing.

>Why the fuck can't America have universal healthcare like every other first world nation?

Because every other first world nation doesn't have a parasite class.

Statistically speaking only white and Asian men are net tax contributors.

All women are welfare queens. All browns/blacks are, in aggregate, welfare queens.

Asking me to provide healthcare for people who intend to displace and replace me is more of an insult than I can tolerate.

If we ever get to that 90%+ white country I am all for it. I would gladly help take care of my own people.

Until then get your own damn healthcare.

>he actually wants to pay for the health care of all the obese fat fucks in the US
Why?

Why can't the government give everyone [insert service]? Becuase that is the beginning of communist America. When the government start paying for everybody, it passes the cost on to the people in taxes. Eventually you are working your ass off, paying the government shitloads, and getting free food, shelter, and healthcare. Thats when it all goes to shit.

My dad had a stroke. 1 million dollar bill for 2 month hospital stay. They didnt even operate or fix him. The politicians should have tackled the price gouging. That is the real problem.

imagine a hospital that is not designed to look like a modern art gallery/spa and is purely utilitarian, so that it isn't forced to pass the cost of its construction on to its clients into perpetuity

>I don't want Donald trump in charge of women's healthcare.

Why? Because he is pro-life? Until men can financially abort women shouldn't be allowed to abort period.

BECAUSE WE ARE FREE

THE STATE IS SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED IN ITS CITIZENS LIVES AS MINIMALLY AS POSSIBLE

THIS IS AMERICA YOU FAGGOT

I'd like to think of it has premium health care. Of course I can go to the county health clinic and wait in line for hours with the best of the urban population. but instead I got a job with health benefits so I can be seen by a doctor in less than 20 minutes. Plus all the nurses are lookers

Because our military spending helps pay for everyone else's healthcare. The US military defends Europe, and the money they save by not having to have strong militaries goes right to their social services.

Say you have a suspicious patch of cells on your back. You make an appointment to see your doctor the next day at 12:15. You have to take the day off of work, thus missing out on 8 hours of pay. You get to the doctor's office at 12:10 so you aren't late for the appointment. 12:15 passes and you don't get called in. 12:30 passes. 12:45 passes. 1:00 passes. Finally at 1:05 the doctor sees you. He takes one glance and says he wants to do a biopsy and get it tested. So he gives you a single shot of local anesthesia, takes a scalpel and chops it off in literally 45 seconds. He puts it in a jar and you're done. You just waited almost an hour for him to see you for 5 minutes maximum.

How much should this cost? Not even including the cost of the biopsy testing? How much is 5 minutes of a doctor's time and one shot of local anesthesia? Doctors are knowledgable people and spent a lot of time in school, so obviously they should be paid well. But how much is 5 minutes of labor really worth? Why do I get a bill for hundreds of dollars for shit like this? I would gladly give the doctor $30 or $40 in cash for that, not bad for 5 minutes of non-strenuous work.

Then the biopsy testing itself costs a couple hundred bucks. Congrats, someone looked under a microscope for 30 seconds and saw that it looked like nothing serious. Why is that not like $30? A dollar per second, not bad, right? Nope, hundreds of dollars.

Because insurance will pay for it! (Except when they don't.) Someone will pay for it. Raise the prices as much as you want, someone has to pay for it! What else are they gonna do?

What the other guy said and to add in this country you are not only responsible for yourself, but you are free to succeed. On that same note you are equally free to fail. To add further there's no such thing as free. For something to be free to you it has to be paid for by me and in this country the govt has no right to take from me to pay for you. I've got my shit together. Why haven't you?

Did you know that countries with universal healthcare still have private hospitals and health insurance for those that can afford it? I'd rather the state use our taxes to fund healthcare for its people than have them choosing to either die or put their families in debt for six generations because some kike insurance company decided not to give you cover due to a pre-existing condition.

Why even have a fucking state if you don't want it to provide you with essential services? How is that anything like infringing on peoples liberties? Lolbertardians just look at state involvement of any kind and get triggered. Why not take it further and stop federal funding for law enforcement and fire services too? After all, *MY* house was never robbed or caught fire, so why should I have to pay for someone else? Just get your shit together :^)

>Why not take it further and stop federal funding for law enforcement and fire services too?

Because one of the few jobs of government is to protect and preserve the rights of its citizens outlines in the constitution. Stay mad you lost your guns in a buy back program, aussie cuck :^)

The federal government in the United States does not fund law enforcement or fire services. (excluding FBI, DEA and the such, but they do not operate locally)

A) it would cost at the bare minimum over 2 trillion more dollars, and I'd love to see you generate that kind of revenue

B) it would introduce either supply side problems or horrendous price increases

as Im sure you illiterate natsoc niggers are unaware of, when the demand for a service goes up(like it would when the price point for healthcare became 0 for people) this means one or both of the other variables must change

so you either are left with price increases as supply rises to meet demand

or you are left with supply side problems if price caps are activated, and that thought is horrendous

tldr, its too expensive for the US, and market factors would either make service shit or price too high increasing cost more

My employer pays 100% of my health and dental insurance premiums, and I pay no deductibles within the network. Why would I want to pay higher taxes for other people's healthcare and go through bigger wait lines?

Can't have free health care when you're wasting trillions in F-35s

I know thats a fucking pirate flag retard so I wont give you a response

but I'd like to remind everyone that the 1.5 trillion "cost" of the program includes the 1.1 trillion needed for fielding and maintaining the planes OVER 65 YEARS

I bet lockheed martin employees got good healthcare

>Why the fuck can't America have universal healthcare like every other first world nation?
Because personal freedoms of most people to become fat and unhealthy diabetics seems to be more important than the rest of us footing the bill.

I guess my perspective is that you can't have your cake and eat it too....

Why can't Americans take responsibility for their own actions? The ONLY fair way I can see to do it is to provide a flat rate credit to EVERY American, with Retirees getting a larger credit. Spend it how you see fit on health care/insurance whatever.

Health and wealth are not connected. You don't have to be fat and unhealthy because you are poor.

why the fuck can't retards understand basic economics?

Wage freezes in the 1940s was the birth of employer provided healthcare, I can't imagine that switching the system to governemnt owned is an easy task. Also like all these people recongize, the arbitrary cost of healthcare is a real problem, which the presense of health insurance does contribute too. No one complains about car or homeowners insurance being too expensive because the market for that stuff is not inflated.

Why must the price drop to 0? Could it not be subsidized so as to become affordable? That would mitigate the demand spike.

its only inflated cause dumb nigger insurance providers are allowed to "bargain" with healthcare providers

if fixed market rates for services were MANDATED to be paid by insurance companies, prices would not be inflated

-t. cash only clinics that dont deal with insurance companies trying to cheat them and are like 50% the costs of normal clinics

If you aren't responsible enough to be a father, you have no business having sex at all.

>you have just been conditioned to not demand stuff
>you are a good enough person to not demand entitlement to other people's labor
fixed that for you

Because the cost is slowly destroying those nations? Over 25% of the US federal budget is spent on health costs as it is.

Or, you could be a productive member of society and pay for things yourself.

Eliminate the insurance companies and the price of healthcare will crash, so will most drugs. Causality, less unnecessary prescriptions, less "depression" and "anxiety" and "ADHD". If you want something fancy like viagra or cialis, you pay; if you need prescription ibuprofen, it'll be pennies a pill.

All prices are inflated when there's a coverage plan in place - especially when the government is guaranteed to foot the bill - so eliminate that shit and voila, cheap health care.

Also, a private-public hybrid model would be fine for the U.S.

Absolutely. MTCWTACA!

Make Things Cost What They Actually Cost Again

just because you mitigate demand spikes doesnt mean they go away and their effects are not still there, just less so you would still either see price hikes or supply problems...just less of them

secondly, subsidy to make it "affordable" is just putting a bandaid on a tumor

the healthcare system needs fundamental reforms in terms of insurance companies ability to try to scam healthcare providers into receiving less then they should through the awful bargaining system we have

similarly insurance companies need to be liberated in terms of plan regulation and be allowed to sell super cheap plans so that people who really cant afford anything else can get basic coverage

HSA accounts need to have all caps to contributions removed

if most people in the US who are healthy young people had these plans they would be able to afford the low monthly rates associated with HSA-type plans and slowly put in money to the HSA account so that if there ever comes the time that they need to use their deductible for minor things they can without problems

companies should stop being forced to give low rates to people with prexisting conditions

elsewise you see a market environment which encourages people to not have insurance until they get sick and then they can get insurance at the same rate as everyone else and cash out immediately, that kind of withdrawl pattern is system breaking and must be avoided at all cost

>tldr, use normal market prices for healthcare services and cost will stop being inflated, let insurance charge people what they should be charged, let insurance make cheap plans, and promote HSA accounts to young healthy people

this is how you have a well functioning health insurance industry, with plans people can afford

Name one plane that was in service for 65 years. I dare you.

Oh, you know they do.

But give me a break. Why does almost every other first world nation have it? It's not like the doctors in Canada, or Britain, or France, or Sweden, or Denmark, are slaves. It's not like they have communism over there. They just have a system of healthcare that is affordable for everyone. They all have higher quality of life than us.

It just seems silly to me. We can and should have universal healthcare.

>other countries are taking in rapefugees
>WE MUST THEREFORE MINDLESSLY ALSO COPY THEM BECAUSE IT'S THE CURRENT MEME

really hate this meme. American shouldn't give a fuck what other countries are doing, only it's own interests. Subsidizing niggers and gibsmedats is NOT in its own interest!

sorry I dont give responses to pirate flags

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market reforms would be so much better

It's really not.

That's beside the point anyway since access to healthcare should not be tied to financial circumstance

Women kill more children than men... after they're born too.

Because we wasted our spare money on international warfare.

>since access to healthcare should not be tied to financial circumstance


false

healthcare is literally a privledge you get due to living in the modern age of mankind where we have advanced enough to *sustainably* provide healthcare at a low enough cost that most people can afford it

you act as if we are magically entitled to things

mind you just a blink of an eye ago in human history, most people couldn't dream of being able to go to a hospital let alone get basic medical supplies, hell that still happens now in subhuman parts of the world which are still 1000 years behind

we have come a long way as a species but things still cost money and services don't just pop out of nowhere

you are entitled to nothing

not food, not water, not healthcare, ie why you pay for these things

you aren't even really entitled to air but just be glad that is basically an infinite resource

you can achieve people having "rights" to these things when they are "post scarcity" like filthy communist niggers pretend is possible literally ever

Except you just did.

Comee on, name a fighter jet that has been 65 years in service. Oh right, There is none. And With modern technology, that's exponentially advancing, the F-35 will probably be replaced in 30years max. Waste of money indeed.
But yeah sure, fuck those kids that need daily medical. Jets are way cooler.

Because I don't want to fund the cycle.

The insurance companies bargain with the providers so that the provider can be a part of the insurance companies network. No one is forcing the provider to comply but they kinda have to because they need insurance company's customers, since no one is gonna pay $100 a doctors visit w/o insurance when they can pay $10 with insurance. I agree though that the paying system is fucked


People also over use healthcare which drives up the cost, and the USA does alot of the research and developement which adds to the cost.

Also who determines these fixed rates? the insurance company or providers?

HSAs with high deductible health plans for the catastropic losses would be the best thing for healthcare. I have a feeling it'll take a while for it to catch on since people would actually have to manage their HSA and pay attention to prices.

I always thought the states and or government should insure people with certain pre-existing conditions in a high risk pool like they do with auto. but only for like hemophiliacs and things of that tier. People with self inflicted stuff like type 2 diabetes or smoked and drank till they had a heart attack should be forced to deal with the cost

sorry I dont give actual responses to pirate flags

>prescription ibuprofen
You guys need a prescription for ibuprofen?????

Too busy giving Gibs to nigger Kangs in Africa so they can buy rocket launchers while their citizens starve

The B-52.

>sorry I dont give responses to pirate flags
Tripfagging is discouraged you know.

>People also over use healthcare which drives up the cost

yeah we cant get around this, which sucks but oh well you work with what you have

>and the USA does alot of the research and developement which adds to the cost.

again, cant change this but its not really that bad considering the benefit to quality of care it adds

>Also who determines these fixed rates? the insurance company or providers?

"the providers" would determine it sortof but it would be no different than any other product, a supply demand curve could be constructed using the cost of supplies, the cost of labor, facilities usage and then some profit, all these being factored in to what any service costs, this can be assured to be fair market costs via federal auditors doing random checks to ensure these prices arent inflated with still financial punishments if an institution is caught price rigging

>HSAs with high deductible health plans for the catastropic losses would be the best thing for healthcare

pretty much, I really like the concept I have no idea why they arent pushed more

>I always thought the states and or government should insure people with certain pre-existing conditions in a high risk pool like they do with auto

it really rubs me wrong that the general public has to subsidize peoples expensive healthcare costs just based upon an unfortunate luck of the draw that person had with genetics

especially as genetic testing advances there will be few excuses in the future for saying that you didn't know your kid was going to have X or Y disease

so is being australian

also I'll have you know I'm very important on /fit/

1. Because I don't want to pay for other people to breed and have kids when I can barely get by myself.
2. Because government provides inferior services.
3. I don't want government determining what sort of healthcare I have access to.

> I'm very important on /fit/
So, I gather you're the bottom?

I like the merit of having a fixed rate, I just can't see any insurance company or provider actually wanting to go through with it. Taking away the varying rates destroys insurance companies networks and not all providers are equal some do deserve more than others.

I think they main issue with HSAs is the learning curve for people using them and technically they can be percieved as discriminatory for people with cronic conditions, since those people would always reach the out of pocket maximums on HSAs to treat their conditions but this is not a big % of the population

America isn't about losers winning. If losers want healthcare they should go somewhere else. Entitlements ruin people. See: Europe; baby boomers

Private insurance would be illegal under the CA plan. Not sure if cash payments would be allowed. Right now the top 50% is probably pretty happy with their health care. The top 50% cannot afford to pay cash so a lot of people will get screwed.

Americans believe in free healthcare and free education, but only for non-Americans and traitors.

Taxation is theft