In the mid-90s everyone around here saw Americans as the world's heroes

Americans were the freaking good guys, the one folks that everyone in the free world could rely on. Everyone around here was like "in America, they value freedom and democracy and everyone is pretty cool like John Wayne or Arnold Schwarzenegger".

Then everything got fucked up. What happened, America? Why have you fallen into evil hands? We were ready to make the 4th of July not just an American holiday, but a day when the world unites and shouts out with one voice: we will not go quietly into the night, we will survive!

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Republicans gained power and the IQ of the nation dropped a few points creating a downward spiral of more republicans that caused a lower national IQ rinse and repeat until you get today.

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>(((hollywood)))

This thing was funny when it came out. Now it's just depressing.

9/11 and mass migration.

the republican party happened
they are more concerned with ideological purity --- redistribution of wealth to the rich, etc. --- than they are even with loyalty to the country, which is why it is okay, in their view, for Trump et al. to collude with Russia and why nothing will come of it

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>america was the good guys
maybe in your brainwashed mind.

So what changed according to your opinion?

subversion from the communists and arabs.
communists in the u.s goverment and arabs did 9/11 and from then on the muslims played victim and the communists hid behind a political correctness and human rights mask as the saviour of the minoritys etc.
the "illuminati" and now are the communists and their plans.
the communists think they can controll in the end and islam thinks they will win in the end.
The saudi family got more money then the rothshilds and they fight each other in buying properties,companys etc etc while they together fight the rest of us.
the pope is a communist.
it looks like putin and his people try to take russia back from the communist strings in their goverment.

Zionists are friends of facism and natsoc.

It was never against all jews it was always the communists or earlier these kind of sect that did the shit.

look into the illuminati plans for the new world order and look at communism where it will end.

muslims hate us.

"anti-semitism" is what defends the communist jews since ww2

>america
>good guys
talk for yourself, cuck.

Internet literally destroyed middle class. Next one is advancement in AI. I wonder which jobs are safe.

>>america was the good guys
>maybe in your brainwashed mind.
Dude, like 95% around here thought America was the good guys.

>So what changed according to your opinion?
Somehow Ameriancs stopped trying to be the good guys. Back in the days they flew to the moon, had a Space Shuttle, would be the world police in the Balkans, had cool films where they were the heroes but they would cooperate with others in this world etc. etc.

Somehow today this is all done. Films are all about heroic of Americans blowing up others and fucking over their allies. And America has become evil when it comes to their wars and leaders.

if the u.s would not exist all of this would have happened way earlier..they were scared..that is why we had s good life..now they divided the west and start to take over.
And then trump happened

Decent soundtrack

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America is still awesome but the worlds values have changed so much that they look like the bad guys.

>America has become evil when it comes to their wars and leaders
>but the Balkan wars were okay
This has got to be bait.

America became less white.

I still see them as that, good bless Emperor Thrump

>>but the Balkan wars were okay
OH come on, the Balkan wars were mostly about making idiots there stop killing each other. That is not bait, it is the truth. I experienced it first hand, things were getting shitty, thank God America and Europe intervened.

We were always pure kike evil. Look up the list of CIA coups between the 50s and 70s. Every few years we would topple some Assad type and install a brutal dictator who would play ball with us and our companies the right way. This resulted in the deaths of tens of millions and the suffering/ disenfranchisement/loss of opportunities of hundreds of millions.

Wanna know what happened since then? The internet made it all more widely known. We didn't take any wrong turn in recent times, we just shone a light on it all. Hopefully sunlight disinfects.

>It is even doubtful whether the USA still defends the ideals of democracy, since its closest allies are Islamic dictatorships like Saudi Arabia (the originator of Islamic terrorism) and racist states like Israel. And its record of "helping" people create democratic states is terrible: Yugoslavia, South Sudan, Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Afghanistan never recovered from the "help" that the USA provided to the democratic revolution. Lucky the ones who were never helped by the USA, like North Korea and Iran.
>The USA is no longer the most educated country in the world, surpassed by both eastern Asians and northern Europeans. And the US economy, already surpassed by the European Union (before "Brexit"), will soon be surpassed also by China. Once countries adopt the capitalist system, it is hard for the USA to maintain its supremacy: they can all become as productive as US workers and in many cases even better. The immigrants that used to flock to the USA have more choice around the world, and the USA is even discouraging them from immigrating. Thank you USA for past leadership and role model.
>But the times are changing, as usual, and the world needs a different kind of leader, not a leader that bombs fascists and communists, but a leader that solves global problems. The leadership of the future will belong not to the "leader of the free world" but to the country that leads in tackling global problems such as climate change and terrorism. The USA, even assuming that its dysfunctional democracy still represents "the free world", has failed miserably in tackling global problems. Many actually blame the USA for contributing more than anybody else to climate change and terrorism (it is the USA that created the oil economy that benefited mainly the states harboring Islamic terrorism).
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okay now i get it
you're a Turk rape baby
explains why you sound retarded

This.

>Every few years we would topple some Assad type and install a brutal dictator
That is not evil, that is actually keeping the world peaceful and in check. You were doing good work. Pic related was great work for the good of the world.

Obama happened. He created this narrative of self guilt in this nation, created a government environment that was toxic and corrupt. I would also argued Bill Clinton played a big role too. He was a classic liberal which wasn't bad, but a lot of the programs he created forced a government culture which would maintain itself all throughout the Bush Era. One thing he fucked up on was adding revisions on the Community Reinvestment Act which cause the 2008 housing bubble crash.

>Lucky the ones who were never helped by the USA, like North Korea and Iran.
>North Korea
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The media destoryed the American reputation to bring down a Republican president for going to a war the media demanded. Now the media is making it sound like more than 4% of the country gives a damn about Russia.

Nope, I was in Austria back then. My father was guarding the Southern frontline against Slovenian hordes. Shit was going down quite massively back then.

The second they said Israel was racist I stopped reading. If they are willing to sacrifice intellectual honesty for their political narrative, of course they will also have an intellectually dishonest view of what America is.

NAFTA was a mistake.

>What happened, America?
There was always a lot of anti-American propaganda all over world, especially from academia. In fact, 90's are the exception because most of the critics in the west are socialist and they were embarrassed by the fall of communism. So they were silent for a while, but now they are again very vocal, just like before 90s.

There are many forces devoted to taking us down... Some in your country.
> The US will persevere. We always do. It's what makes us powerful.

same in the UK, the BBC was run by right wing conservatives up until when the wall fell down and the leftists were allowed to come out of their caves without fear of being branded enemies of the nation

We've been in evil hands since the 1960s. You just didn't realize it until they wrecked the global economy in 2007. You let material wealth and pretty lies mislead you. Like a whore falling into the trap of a pimp because he bought her some pretty jewelry and took her out to a fancy dinner. Now you're getting gangbanged by niggers and sucking cock behind convenience stores, all while wondering how it came to this.

bingo

>What happened, America?
Wolfowitz invaded Iraq as part of a 20 year plan for Greater Israel

2001 Americans were put to a test. They failed.

This

Look man. I'm a far right wing dude with very capitalist views and I disagree either Trump on most of his economics, because his economics are actually for the most part left wing. NAFTA promoted free trade. I don't understand this narrative of why it sucked. Restricting free trade to other countries drives up consumer prices exponentially for everyone.

The Iraq war had the biggest and most negative effect on modern US policy. I don't think the US will get over the cost and the legacy of the Iraq failure any time soon; it's one of those injuries that marks the beginning of the end of an empire.

>What happened, America?

(((Der Juden))) happened.

Bullshit. In the 1980s and 1990s, America was seen as the fucking good guys in Western Europe. Like so good, they couldn't fuck up anything ever. Clinton was viewed as a freaking demi-God.

user,

you are very true, and thats a good observation. I used to view America as well extremely positive when I was a kid (in the 90s). Even until 2004-2005. I particularly envied the masculinity and male virility ideal that was glorified in the US, while being vilified in Europe (US high-school/uni sports etc.)

The first crack in my US dream was around 2005, when I noted American girls were just fatter, uglier than their international counterparts. Why would I go to the US only to get a girl 3 points lower than elsewhere? Then after 2007, the US went totally insane, their girls became totally whores, their niggers started to chimp out and make demands, white males were ridiculed and openly discriminated against.

Like what the fuck happened in the US. Thats a total cultural change in just 10 years. Still blows me away how fast everything went to shit there, although Merkel isn't making life in Europe better either.

this man understands. Trump's protectionism is 100% Bernie Sanders tier shit.

>In the mid-90s everyone around here saw Americans as the world's heroes

Uh, no. Only you did, because you were a dumbass kid. America fucked up Mexico in 1850, America fucked up Iran and Central America in the 1950s, and plenty of people were well aware back then of what was going on.

Good goy

Was your perception of Clinton clouded by the successes of the previous administration?

Obviously this, more liberal policies and feminized thinking is truly the only way to peace and glory.

>Even until 2004-2005. I particularly envied the masculinity and male virility ideal that was glorified in the US, while being vilified in Europe (US high-school/uni sports etc.)
Very much this. It also didn't stop for me until around 2005/2006. Even 2001 and the 2003 Iraq invasion didn't change my world view. Not even Bush jr. did. It was just a slow creeping feeling that American society was changing, women were getting fatter, people were getting less open, more critical of the rest of the world and just a lot more hostile in general. This change in society can also be seen in a marked change of blockbuster film quality. Until around 2003/2004, America was still making true American films, then it changed - now it is just garbage that makes Americans look like fools and true evil people.

It sucked because it contributed to unemployment and stagnant wages. It forced American workers to compete with Mexicans. You say "NAFTA promoted free trade" as if that's inherently a good thing. The main upside to free trade is efficiency. When efficiency comes at the cost of the well being of your own people then seeking such efficiency is a betrayal, not a good.

but seriously, can your balls shrink hanging around radio waves?

>Was your perception of Clinton clouded by the successes of the previous administration?
People didn't even think much about Bush sr. He was seen as a good guy, but there wasn't much involvement. We were preoccupied with the fall of the Soviet Bloc, the incorporation of a whole second world country and winning the 1990 football world cup.

With Clinton came technological advancement, a chance for true world peace (Middle East peace process etc.), friendship with the Ruskies, computers, free trade and a vision of venturing out to the stars together.

Not really. Only americans did that.
But even them couldnt keep pretending they were heroes after iraq and afghanistan and oh-so-many forced régime changes and assassinations, and invasions and spying on both allies and their own Citizens.

>the Iraq failure
those fractious little monkeys failed each other. they would rather blow themselves up than create a civilized society. that's not on us.

>Bullshit. In the 1980s and 1990s, America was seen as the fucking good guys in Western Europe. Like so good, they couldn't fuck up anything ever
Can you read, user? I said that America had good image at the time, and the reason was the embarrassment of the communist block. But the world existed before that, you know? The anti-American propaganda in the 60s and 70s was as bad as today. Leading European intellectuals were communists, openly admiring Soviet Union and bashing America with almost the same silly arguments as today.

> This change in society can also be seen in a marked change of blockbuster film quality. Until around 2003/2004, America was still making true American films, then it changed - now it is just garbage that makes Americans look like fools and true evil people.


I just went through the IMDB Top 250. These are the most recent movies I can find where white male masculinity/virility is portrayed positively:

Fight Club (1999)
American Psycho (2000)
American History X (1998)
Gladiator (2000)

After that? Nothing.

No, it doesn't though. I don't think you really grasp the whole concept of the free enterprise. Incentive is everything. The people who don't have those jobs anymore for the most part advanced to the more technologically competent fields. The jobs that leave America are the jobs that we don't want. You think it's a bad thing that the t shirt and shoe industry moved to 2nd world countries? What about phone factories? Instead of mass producing phones, we nowhere employees leading the development industry.

No. You're young and an idiot. The last time Americans were seen as heroes was in the 1980s. And even then, Vietnam had fucked up their rep. Anti-American sentiment was growing in the 90s, because you were starting to expose yourselves as degenerates. Even in 1996 a lot of people watched Independence Day and puked at Americans setting themselves up like that Simpsons episode were Mr. Burns makes his own movie about himself saving everyone.

9/11 kinda gave you some sympathy. Then you fucked it up again.

no, just stop jacking off so much

>In the mid-90s everyone around here saw Americans as the world's heroes

Wrong. By the late 60s American actions in Vietnam were largely reviled. In the 80s their interference in Central America brought on another wave of disgust. Say what you want, but stuff like that did not go over well. After 911 the worldwide show of empathy was noteworthy by it's contrast to the usual attitudes. That was subsequently squandered in Iraq and elsewhere, and the US is probably once again viewed as hypocritical bully number one.

Dinesh D'Souza has a good talk about this. He argues the tech boom was actually in large part from Reagens policy. I'm not going to sound dumb and try to quote him but I'll link the video

Pretty sure it was this one but I may be wrong: youtu.be/Bosx4_hiw_c

Yes isreal is not racist nor is a radical terrorist group nation like isis.

i'll explain what happened. america became prosperous and the people became lazy. noone wanted to hear about corrupt politicians using the good name of our country to warmonger around the world, so it continued. it's shameful.

>This change in society can also be seen in a marked change of blockbuster film quality. Until around 2003/2004, America was still making true American films, then it changed - now it is just garbage that makes Americans look like fools and true evil people.
This is true. American films are in steady decline probably since late 90s. But so is pop-music, I would say even longer than that. I think more than anything, America used to look like an optimistic place and somehow it doesn't anymore. It's not yet as depressing as Europe, but it seems to be on its way there.

It really was the Iraq debacle. It usually takes something like that for the people to lose their resolve and give the counter culture assholes an opening. A lot of people, including vets, felt that Iraq was bullshit and the bush admin was corrupt and untrustworthy and that gave Alinsky types an opening.

The US spent $3 trillion on that place and only ended up with a greater mess. It doesn't matter what the cause of the failure was, any more than the causes of Rome's failed border wars in the 300's are largely forgotten.

What matters are the effects upon the US, which have been extremely negative. They took existing problems in US society (from our national debt to our social divisions) and amplified them. That's how empires begin to fall - an event exposes the underlying cracks in the facade, and those cracks expand.

The Iraq war got Obama elected, for one thing. That was the direct cause of his election.

European White Guilt infested the Democrat Party and illegals pouring into our borders... Combine both and The Cowboy American is now an evil white man.

I grasp the concept of "free enterprise" quite firmly. However, unlike the naive children of the left, I know that reality does not conform to our ideals. Working class Americans who lost good jobs due to outsourcing were largely unable to retrain for "more technologically competent fields", as they lacked the necessary talents. You may not want the jobs which left America, but many families and communities depended on those jobs. Your indifference to the suffering of those people is reprehensible.

This. We didn't jump on the cuck train and are getting punished for it

this user knows. the usa has never been anyone's heroes.

we have fucked over every place we could at every chance we had.

central and south america might not actually suck if the dulles brothers had not used their clout to advance their business interests.


and the middle east. if big oil did not own the us we might actually not be hated there.

bygones. no way to fix them now. the chickens are coming home to roost, and have been since 911.

The democrat party is more concerned with trying to be more humiliating rather than fix crime problems. They like to worship gay people even though the gay community suffers from pedophilia. They like invite many foreigners and ignore all the problems that come with it.

There is no win here.

This. Free trade crushed the middle class.

>This. We didn't jump on the cuck train and are getting punished for it
Yes, but that's not new. What we are missing is good propaganda in terms of movies, music and the rest. That can convince the people, not rational arguments.

So much this. Free trade only benefits the shareholders while leaving vast swaths of rural America desolate. No true nationalist would vote for it

that's cute jessica. you have it all figured out don't you?

We are the warning canary. They tried mass migration here first and it destroyed a lot of our country. We only remain kicking thanks to our country being so huge and complex that there is almost no way for them to fully diversify it. Obama tried his best by sending niggers into the rural states but the shitskins all congregated in the major cities instead of spreading out and destroying our demographics. I am thankful we got a President that is attempted to clean up our act, and that only happened because they failed to fully destroy us.

They are now trying to force the same shit that happened to us on Europe. What things you saw happen to America is what is going to happen to you. Shit like Black Lives Matter is already popping up in Europe. It's only a matter of time. Make sure you fucking vote for the right people or your country or it will look like all the negative things you saw in America. I worry that if this shit happens to European countries they may never recover from it due to their size and lower population.

As for the obesity thing, we did have an obesity problem for awhile but I honestly think it has faded away and statistics seem to show that it has, but only for white people. Every shitskin I meet is a fatass on the other hand, I've seen maybe 10 thin black girls in my entire life.
Pic related shows that America's white population has an average BMI lower than Germany. inb4 it's fake, I didn't believe it either but I looked it up and it seems to be legitimate data from federal agencies. But also remember that this doesn't take the shitskin population of other countries into account.

>Why have you fallen into evil hands?

We got tired of the comfortable lie, sorry.

Digits speak truth. That user is no true conservative or nationalist

Lemme guess, you think the Balkan wars were a righteous crusade of Christians fighting against muslim invaders that ended in the terrible fashion of Christians bombing Christians.

>america
>democracy

Americans have literally never done anything good for the world. Theyre just retarded enough to write propaganda about themselves then believe it

This. The world respected Bill Clinton and through him the United States. Our reputation tanked under Bush, Obama, and continues falling under Trump.

people actually believed that cheesy propaganda?

Nono those jobs you're talking about were mostly lost to the regulation of the coal and energy field. Something that wouldn't have happened if Obama put faith in the free market and not global warming conspiracies

This post is fact. The replier is a fucking brainlet and i hope he necks himself

Obama's watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside) policies didn't help, but NAFTA and free trade with China did more to deindustrialize the US than anything else.

you don't mean that jess, just settle down.

Americans are always the heroes.

and?

You mean you fell for Clapper propaganda, OP? What a tool. I could watch a dumb Hollywood film and enjoy it on a base level whle never losing sight ofn the fact that America is the most murderous, aggressive, hypocritical and just plain evil country on Earth.

This. Both free trade and environmental regulation destroyed the rural and inner city economies

That was thanks to Based Bill Clinton.

Because I'd gladly pay more to employ my neighbor.

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America stopped being the hero after 9/11. Something drastically changed in us after that. We became scared and insecure, we were willing to give up our freedoms for protection. Obama was the nail in the coffin. We became sissies after that, flooding our armed forces with tranny acceptance, demoralizing all white men by calling them all racists, social justice theories discussed in the 60s exploded with popularity due to social media. And the few white conservatives who were left figured out that we weren't fighting our own wars anymore, just being Israel's patsy.

In short the idea of a American patriot died. The image turned from a commie fighting white man hoisting up the flag, into a mulatto at Walmart shouting freedom for no discernible reason.

that is a beautiful rhyme.

It went back up under Obama. Now it's collapsed under Trump.

>I experienced it first hand, things were getting shitty, thank God America and Europe intervened.
You can see it because you experienced it. But the others see it as evil as any other intervention. So maybe other interventions are also not as evil as you think after all?

>The Iraq war got Obama elected, for one thing. That was the direct cause of his election.

9/11
The Iraq War.
The mismanagement of the war in Afghanistan.
The mismanagement of the response to Hurricane Katrina.
The economic collapse.

Any one of those would cast a pall over a Presidency. The combination of them made the Bush legacy ruinous. That guaranteed Obama's election, and it nearly got Hillary elected. The fact that the Republican party establishment thought they could run a Bush in 2016 shows they learned absolutely nothing and are completely disconnected from reality.