Automation will get rid of all jobs and unemployment will skyrocket, society as a whole will collapse

>automation will get rid of all jobs and unemployment will skyrocket, society as a whole will collapse
>robot soldiers that can be produced and shoot, survive and police more effectively that any modern soldier will render the second amendment meaningless
Is there even a solution to this, or will automation really be the end of civilisation as we know it?

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>>automation will get rid of all jobs

This is a sci-fi fantasy, not something that's a real possibility.

Morons see McDonald's replacing their cashiers with ipads and think that somehow this can be extrapolated to all human activity. Nope.

>This is a sci-fi fantasy, not something that's a real possibility.
God, I wish I was this naive.
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>Morons see McDonald's replacing their cashiers with ipads and think that somehow this can be extrapolated to all human activity. Nope.
I know you don't know this because you're living with your mommy or on government cheese, but a huge number of people (we're talking tenths of the entire population) do repetitive busywork that is susceptible to automation.

Simpletons think automation can't happen because no machine can do all the 100 menial tasks they do in their daily work. Well, if we automate 90 of them they can lose 80-90% of their workforce. Yes, the pleb/middle class jobs won't be 100% decimated, just 80-90%. As a consultant I've seen the amount of completely pointless work people do in large corporations today... in twenty years, 80% of those jobs will be gone.

On top of that, A LOT of the jobs have already been automated, you just don't see it. I should know, I'm one of the people making it happen.

>society as a whole will collapse
Thank god, this needs to happen sooner

WHY ARE WE IMPORTING MORE UNSKILLED IMMIGRANTS WHEN THEY'LL BE THE FIRST TO HAVE THEIR JOBS AUTOMATED?
Our policy makers are braindead.

Are there literally any solutions, or are we fucked? Because the way I see it, this renders every other discussion on this board meaningless. Communism vs. Capitalism, Trump vs. China, whatever.

To drive up consumption and birthrates. It's literally the reason for all the black/muslim & white women shit you see in the media these days. Western countries flood their countries with immigrants because whites don't have enough babies with wages being garbage but blacks and muslims pop them out. You can see the same thing happening in Japan with the exception being that they don't have mass immigration, so their birthrates are collapsing as a consequence.

I agree, however it will be a little slower. The jobs that will be replaced by 2025:
- client support (bots do the first line alraady)
- telemarketing (see client support)
- transportation (tesla and company with automated cars)
- warehouse jobs (ideal non-changing environment for automation, amazon does that to some extend already)
- simple financial jobs (Goldman Sachs lately replaced whole office with only 2 people left)
- cashier jobs (automated spots in big markets, boards to make orders in McDonalds etc.)
- production jobs in mass production (see Baxter as example of multi-purpose robot - give it next 10 years)

And im sure there is more. But those i mentioned is enough to cause big unemployment

The decreased birthrates might be good though if automation occurs, what do you think all formerly employed blacks, Muslims, and immigrants will do when automation hits? They're not just going to disappear.

Yeah and it's stupid. Automation means there is no more dependancy between population and consumption. Also these goods can be sold to non-advanced countries since they will be high-quality and cheap.

>production jobs in mass production

they are already heavily automated in most western countries, this only applies to sweat job countries like china.

>- client support (bots do the first line alraady)
And clients hate when they are put against answering machine. This is not automation. This is "do it yourself fuck you" solution.

Complete automation with 100% unemployment is the goal, user.

People should just have a nice comfy place to live and all the food and entertainment they want while only doing things that require effort if they feel like doing it and robots should take care of literally everything else.

If you don't think this is what we as a species has been working toward, you are fucking deluded.

>automation will get rid of all jobs and unemployment will skyrocket

No, it will create many low paying jobs that require less training and education.

Unfortunately the people that ruined society will be the ones that benefit from this. They will eventually kill themselves though.

We should have listened to Ted Kaczynski.

lol, every job that a robot takes will create one job too! The people who lost their jobs will all become robot repairmen! Its economics 101!

Once all the challenge in life is removed we will stagnate, Utopia will never exist. You ever read about that experiment where the mice wear given an overabundance of everything they needed?

>TFW we are creating the men of iron who will unsurprisingly betray us

Who cares, I was sick of paying taxes to a corrupt, ineffective, government anyway.
I wish the fire would just rise already damnit.

AI are racist so this will be the beginning of the true golden age of the white race.

>133373919
Even when you have humans behind support they will respond using predefined templates. Not much a diffrence.

>robot soldiers that can be produced and shoot, survive and police more effectively that any modern soldier will render the second amendment meaningless

So you're saying its time to stock up on .50 Cal?

It's like you're too poor for a Blackwater Prime subscription

Robots aren't going to be replacing everything. The easy, repetitive, simply jobs like driving taxis or cleaning up houses will be replaced, putting idiotic people without any real education into unemployment, whereas people with greater educations won't be replaced, such as scientists and engineers, who require free-thought and creativity to be useful. Moral of the story: natural selection will kill off the idiots who can't do shit, and favor the people who put effort into their studying and got good jobs.

Sorry kids, but Star Trek isn't real life. You can't magically replace everything with a machine simply by invoking a bunch of silly buzzwords like "AI" (which doesn't exist in the way you think it does) and "busywork" (which in the real world is called valuable economic activity - or did you actually think that most people are doing tasks of no consequence, for free money that comes from nowhere?).

All of this childish posturing is wiped away in an instant once you realize that eliminating one job creates opportunities for others. How anyone living in a post-industrial-revolution society can argue that more machines mean a worse existence for anyone is beyond me - the whole reason you have such a cushy life today is because we figured out how to automate lots of things in the past. The fact that you get to spend 90% of your time crying about robots on the internet instead of competing with other animals for food and shelter should be a clue.

I also don't hear any solutions for this "problem". Is that because you know, deep down, that it's all bullshit? You're really only interested in pretending to be deep and philosophical to an anonymous stranger on the internet for two or three minutes at a time, not actually tackling an issue that you claim will bring ruin to your life and billions of others.

We will invent neural lace and trans-humanism before AI get's to our level.

>everything gets automated aside from things like teachers and psychologists
>STEM is a literal meme
Get fucked, STEMcucks

Its always time to stock up on .50 cal rounds

>robots are immune to bullets

Automation is going to completely annihilate

>transportation
>warehousing
>manufacturing
>accounting
>data entry
>law research and contracts
>shelf stacking
>checkout chicking
>burger making
>security
>carpentry
>most types of construction, especially homes and industrial sheds.
>tutoring
>mining
>farming esp. fruit picking.
>cleaning

10s of millions of people will be unemployable within 30 years.

This.

Also there are other scientific fields focused on improving humans.

>automation will get rid of all jobs and unemployment will skyrocket
This is fucking retarded.

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Build your own robots to fight back you cowardly kike.

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>Sorry kids, but Star Trek isn't real life.
I'm a software eng who automates other people's work away for a living. What's your background? Because you sound just like the truck/cab/bus drivers who are in full-blown denial mode.

>"busywork" (which in the real world is called valuable economic activity...)
Yes. What I said was
>busywork that is susceptible to automation
>that is susceptible to automation
but you chose to just pick up that one word and not address the issue at all. Again, you sound like you're in denial.

>All of this childish posturing is wiped away in an instant once you realize that eliminating one job creates opportunities for others.
At a ratio of 10:1 at best. I've built systems that had one goal, and only one: make people doing peasant-tier "specialized" office busywork completely useless. You'd think a sysadmin got a job there? No, you automate it to a point where it runs in the cloud and the job turns into a 0.01 day job for a poo eng on either coast.

>The fact that you get to spend 90% of your time crying about robots on the internet instead of competing with other animals for food and shelter should be a clue.
>hurr, it worked so well so far
Now you're just talking out of your ass. The death rattles of the capitalist system have already begun.

>I also don't hear any solutions for this "problem". Is that because you know, deep down, that it's all bullshit?
You don't hear them because they don't exist. What do you do when >50% of the population is ineligible for any job available due to their complexity? You get this massive underclass who become NEETs, and a minority who get ultra rich. It's going to get rough.

>You're really only interested in pretending to be deep and philosophical to an anonymous stranger on the internet for two or three minutes at a time, not actually tackling an issue that you claim will bring ruin to your life and billions of others.
This is simply nonsense, a long-winded sentences add up to nothing.

Somebody has to take care of the robots

you will never get to have that grade of automation.
earth will revert to chasing worms under tree barks.

When robots can wipe your great grandpas ass civilization wont need houses and colleges to create debt slaves to keep the system intact to care for the retired.

So what do you think is going to happen? Mass automation leading to mass poverty/ suicides/ descent into chaos?

Serious question. I'm a NEET so I'm fucked regardless of what happens.

Maybe that anti technological movement will happen after all. I wonder how the bottom and middle class will react to starving to death..

The US labor market is tight as it is. What new jobs will the millions of people in
>transportation
>retail
>manufacturing
>data entry
>fast food
etc

Do as their new job. I always hear that new jobs will be created. But what are these new jobs? Robot repair man? How are the millions of

How long do you think it will be until your job is also gone?

>Is there even a solution to this
Socialism.

If human labor is obsolete then the concept of earning one's place in society is meaningless, best case scenario is a UBI with people earning money for luxuries through free market sale of entertainment and ideas.

THE FINAL FRONTIER MOFO, we have to send people into space to survive

low iq subhumans are way easier to dominate and manipulate than whites.
they won't be able to mount an effective resistance to the elites.

lmao, you can't possibly be this delusional.

Checked the digits.

>Mass automation leading to mass poverty/ suicides/ descent into chaos?
Essentially yes. Unlike ever before, whether you can provide anything of value to society will have an ever rising IQ requirement. Those who can automate things become increasingly valuable and those whose jobs are to be automated become useless. Turns out high IQ people rarely do highly repetitive work that can be fairly trivially automated.

It has already started, it creeps up slowly, but it will create a new underclass. First we will think they're just stupid and/or lazy, but soon there's going to be a lot of them. Sure, some will go on and thrive as artists and whatever utopian function they wish to fulfill, but it's a tiny minority.

Do you know what happens to a western society where there is low social mobility, high income gap and the people are mixed together? Look at the ghettos and you have your answer. Men become hyper-aggressive and turn to violence and crime, and surely for a reason.

Who said it had to be effective? Damages will occur regardless.

I work in the AI sector.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Gen-purpose AI is well on its way to mass market viability, chatbots in focused verticals are nearly flawless, and the amount of industries and positions we are looking to replace are absolutely unprecedented.

You're correct that these systems require upkeep and configuration but these systems are typically cloud-based (meaning they don't actually add technician jobs until new centers need to be built and the jobs lost:created ratio is bananas) and a team of maybe 3-4 people configuring a system that will replace thousands upon thousands of jobs is not sustainable.

This isn't just a repeat of industrialization, this is something entirely new.

High iq people will be safe for a couple of years, until even they are no longer necessary.
Why would you think the progression would just magically stop before it takes your job?

No, the best case scenario is that the masses of unemployed be allowed to starve to death with only the most intelligent and useful among us surviving and holding the few jobs available. If you want to be humane with the excess you could sterilize them or implement a 1 child policy while continuing to feed and give housing but why prolong the suffering? There is no reason to have near 8 billion people on this planet, we do nothing but pollute and consume limited resources.

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That depends on what specialization I will go for. I think I'll be among the last 10-15% to go before the AI guys and actual scientists. I'd say by the time my job is gone, so will the our society as we know it (for better or worse).

Wait.... So we WON'T be able to enhance ourselves before AI takes over?
Those are BLACK ghettos though. How will the white ghettos do though? I actually want to know.

You seem to think whatever job you have in STEM is immune from AI automation.

You are sorely sorely mistaken.

Even then, there will be many high IQ people left in the dirt simply by circumstance or lack of pedigree. Only the lucky ones survive, it's that simple.

>enhance ourselves
in what way?

Progress on prosthetics is quite advanced at this point but we're still pretty far from understanding the brain. In all likelihood it will be conclusions reached by neural nets (if not a proper sophisticated AI) that gives us the understanding to enhance our minds.

>Those are BLACK ghettos though. How will the white ghettos do though? I actually want to know.
I don't know, but it's not going to be nice. What I do know is that it's not the kind of society I want to live in, even if my family and I are on the right side of the fence.
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Don't assume that I think of myself as one of the lucky ones.

The thing is that white people will be smart enough to realize that if they just band together they can overtake the other side of the fence.

Will automation ultimately be the end of capitalism?

I, for one, hope robots one day overtake us and allow us to live in peace under their [literal] iron fist a la I, Robot.

>In all likelihood it will be conclusions reached by neural nets (if not a proper sophisticated AI) that gives us the understanding to enhance our minds.
Except if you read the papers written on neural nets today, you'll find out we don't know what the fuck they're doing. We just tweak the parameters until we get something interesting, write a paper on it, and pass the results along. So good luck with that.

>tl;dr the research on neural nets has already reached a point where we know it works but we can't quantitatively explain how

Capitalism works in a society where you can easily prove your value by your skill at a certain labour, and thus be reimbursed for your work. That is already dissipating, and in a world where no one can have a labour of worth besides in the entertainment industry, it will likely be a moot system. You can't tell someone to get a job that isn't there, then kick them in the ass for not having one.

>every now and then get linked to that 'late stage capitalism' r*ddit
>this is the image on their banner
>they fail to realize this is a socialist country

If a robot replaces your job in 2020...
A tractor would have replaced your job in 1960
A wheel would have replaced your job in 1000 b.c
Dont be a horse or a skid.

the irony is that a lot of people will have to die to stabilize the situation. and these NWO fuckers still send foreign aid. is that some kind of tactic to cull the herd ?

Ever hear of White Appalachia?

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>Except if you read the papers written on neural nets today, you'll find out we don't know what the fuck they're doing
Yes, I know. That's why it's likely that research aided by neural nets is likely to produce viable information on brain function faster than traditional research.

Current neural nets can do some amazing things in finding patterns humans can neither find nor understand. If you read about the use of neural nets in scanning MRI's and such for diagnosis the accuracy on things you would think would be totally unrelated are remarkable.

>society as a whole will collapse
It wont, society will be divided into two groups, the have and the have not.
In the past, when peasants was shit and virtually property of the nobles. It was because a small professional army could easily defeat an army of peasants ten times its size. The army was primarily noble men in expensive suits of armor, whom had done nothing else in there life than practicing war.
Later on, with the invention of crossbows, longbows and guns. Peasants military value increased, the peasants got more rights.
Modern warfare, have further increased the value of the peasant, think of Afghanistan or Vietnam, nothing but illiterate peasant with machine guns and yet they proved to be a fairly strong.

Now the tide are turning, with the emergence of drones and automated warfare. There is a shift in the balance of power, between the "nobles" and the "peasants".
It will no longer be necessary to have a mandate of the people to be in charge. The many will in a near future not be able to touch the few.
I think we will see a division in our society, one rich and prosperous society that holds the military might. And one poor and crime ritten society, that hold no power.

So hyper-violence and crime it is. As I said, not something I want to see regardless of the side of the fence I am on.

It's a country with rampant corruption. That's the headline. I love it how you focus on nothing relevant though.

>stupid people's jobs are replaced
>welfare keeps them afloat for a while
>the smart ones find some way of generating income
>the poor ones starve to death
>overpopulation looms
>welfare is eventually eliminated due to resources running out
>armies are privatised
>the 'great rebellion' is crushed
>humanity prospers with only the most capable and competent leading it to the stars
can't wait senpai

Take a look at Flint,MI for an example of how things such as that show up in a vehemently capitalist society. The pic he posted is due to corruption in the system, not necessarily job issues, but they do exist and contribute to the division of wealth.

you give subhumans too much credit. damages won't occur; 99% of the subhumans will kowtow. they'll happily accept ubi and spend their monthly gibs instead of rebelling. bread and circus, m8.
the elites will also sponsor a controlled opposition movement that will honeypot any of the subhumans who do decide to go rogue. think emmanuel goldstein from 1984.
that's what i mean when i say the subhumans won't mount an effective resistance.

>will automation really be the end of civilisation as we know it?
I hope so. Working sucks.

So.... We are totally fucked?
Well shit. Hopefully it turns into a "people to space" type society instead of a "Mega City 1" then.
If they are willing to face all the drones and Academi Prime subscriptions.
It's not a violent shit-hole. That's a relief.

Social credit.

There will be a point when going on a raid to the next town over for food medicine and weapons will seem like work desu.

Pretty much sums up my feelings on it, except I also believe that once automation renders all of the "have nots" labor redundant, that the "haves" are going to genocide us all, probably with some combination of engineered plague followed by a drone army to sweep up the survivors. No sense in supporting a resource drain if you don't need them, after all.

and it's "lucky" we are a minority, we won't have to kill many of our own to survive. I think so at least

Automation is still a long way off in third world countries. It may actually be better to move to them than stay in the limbo period that will be arising in many western nations. I sometimes have to remind myself that our shoes are still made by a person and not by an automated assembly line sometimes.

Hell, if enough intelligent white people go to those countries and won't put up with the shitty conditions then they could actually enact some forceful change. However the fact remains that this generation has the least hope for the future of any in history, and it can only get worse in the long run. Perhaps things will sort themselves out, but currently the only solution I see is space colonization FAST.

There is an end of the line you know kiddo

>There will be a point when going on a raid to the next town over for food medicine and weapons will seem like work desu.
Why would you do that when we have full robotic automation making more food, goods and services than we could ever hope to consume?

>That's why it's likely that research aided by neural nets is likely to produce viable information on brain function faster than traditional research.
I'm somewhat skeptical whether we'll be able to understand what it'll produce.

>Current neural nets can do some amazing things in finding patterns humans can neither find nor understand.
I've seen some of that stuff and I genuinely believe we're dabbling in something profound. With enough seed data, some of them can imitate creativity where (to my mind) it's indistinguishable from the real deal. And it's not just arts and medicine neural networks can help us with. Some structural/material engineers use them generate optimal structural patterns for things like bridges and airplane parts.

It's not AI, sure, but it's getting to the point where it can emulate "creative thought" in a given context. This is yuge.

Well mostly because whites even if trailer trash do not burn down their own society. There will be domestic violence cases, but there would not be outright bullshit like what happened in LA or Ferguson.

>Implying that one will get tired of riding around in a technical.
>Implying that we won't just target the spics and blacks.
>Implying that none of us have ever wanted to fight alongside rooftop Koreans.

source on that pic?

Automation is two things. The first is the excuse of people who can't get a job. The second is the fantasy of nerds who talk about how machines will replace everyone in a job, apart from them of course.

>robot soldiers that can be produced and shoot, survive and police more effectively that any modern soldier will render the second amendment meaningless

nigger please. Implying AI will advance any furthur. Videogame AI is dumb as shit and thats an AI confined to a tiny world. Imagine an AI applied to a world with near INFINITE variables and your little AI is reduced to getting stuck in corners or falling down uneven stairs.

It won't be given to us. It's for (((Them))). Can't have you getting food you didn't work for. "What do you mean there's no work? Just look harder."

I think quite the opposite, the west will need a lot of soldiers to man the borders, well until the soldiers are replaced by drones. China or India will be the first to go. too many people doing jobs that can easily be automated. I read somewher that Apple is building a factory in the USA, heavily automated ofc

So the race war is finally upon us.

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dumbfuck, give it time. shit doesn't happen overnight.

It's the transition that'll be scary/volatile, it's where we have to beat the final boss: the bankers.

Once that's over (we'll probably have some fucked up 1984-tier fascism for a few decades before that shit collapses), we're either back in the stone age or on our way to build
>pic related

I don't see any realistic alternative.

I'm talking places like Vietnam and other such locales. India and China are second world countries.