>wanting to pay netflix rates for posting on imageboards
Is Sup Forums really this retarded? I can't believe how many people are unironically shilling for shit. Doesn't the fact that all these normie leftie sites are gunning for net neutrality AT LEAST make you question NN just a little bit?
Can't you see that banning a tiered internet basically means that the only economic dimension left that ISPs can legally compete against eachother is SIZE? Doesn't the fact that all these major ISPs are supporting NN set off some red flags?
Net neutrality is retarded as mandating that all TVs be the same size and provide exactly the same picture. Can't you faggots see what is wrong with that? Can't you see what sort of product will result from such a mandate?
Not that any of you will change your mind. This website has been completely taken over by leftist nazi larpers anyway. Enjoy paying $50 a month to shitpost on your mongolian chemistry forum. Meanwhile tyrone is watching 2 netflix movies a night on your dollar. Fucking nazi cucks.
So the argument against NN is that the internet should be a utility? Pay as you go?
Michael Russell
You think commie content getting uploaded and getting downloaded far Faster than content by people with brains or vice versa is good?
John Robinson
It should be a fucking product. It should NOT be controlled by (((government bureaucrats))).
Cameron Young
Give me one concrete reason why NN is bad...
Jason Mitchell
>Net neutrality is retarded as mandating that all TVs be the same size and provide exactly the same picture. Can't you faggots see what is wrong with that? Can't you see what sort of product will result from such a mandate?
Jaxson Jones
>Doesn't the fact that all these major ISPs are supporting NN set off some red flags? Bullshit you retarded lolbertarian faggot
Owen Morris
That is a piss poor analogy.
NN is "you can watch whatever you want as long as it being transmitted"
Without NN it is "You can only watch the shows the company who sells you the TV wants you to watch."
Jeremiah Davis
Net neutrality is basically allowing content to travel as it is.No tinkering with the speed.
Jackson Smith
AT&T is literally staging a protest to save net neutrality
turn on the fucking news once in a while you dumb larper
Chase Cox
We should laws that only affect the top 2% of anything across all the boards and leave the common folk alone. That would really make (((them))) shit.
Jose Edwards
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Bentley Bennett
Because large companies that use network infrastructure capitalize the resources.
In some areas things like Netflix take up to 1/3 of the available bandwidth open to an area via an ISP.
If you are a water company then you can charge companies based on the amount used, rather than allow free reign for anyone.
Imagine a company starting to offer 4K and 5K on-demand streaming as a base option. How do you think this affects the bandwidth for the rest of the individuals on a hub when most US network connections run via RG-59 or RG-6 cable lines?
This isn't even simple bandwidth, but also there are massive numbers of connections that stay open with things like streaming services. If you got to a webpage, you d/l it, cache, but then the ports are closed/listening. With heavy data use sites, you have a ton of frames going across the infrastructure at all times for each and every person using it.
Robert Cruz
>Enjoy paying $50 a month to shitpost on your mongolian chemistry forum. Meanwhile tyrone is watching 2 netflix movies a night on your dollar. This doesn't even make fucking sense. Why am I going to have to pay to post on here if NN stays in place
Josiah Johnson
NN threads all over the chanz. Wonder why this is being shilled so hard?
Fuck off shchlomo. Gas yourself. >sage goes in all fields
Eli Evans
Yeah people will spend 10$ a month to acces science sites and pubmed instead of youtube, seems very likely
Jacob Cooper
>I can't believe how many people are unironically shilling for shit we are being raided.
Oliver Mitchell
Nigger that's because they want to throw some new loopholes in it to fuck over consumers
Julian Bell
Why would your landlord charge you extra if you want to go to a pub?
Angel James
Shut the fuck up japan. You have no idea how the internet works so just stop commenting. You cannot arbitrarily increase internet speeds, there is a physical limit to how much data can be pushed across the country. Some people are going to get throttled no matter what.
Net neutrality means that ISPs have to treat your squinty-eyed grandma who checks yahoo once a day the same as tyrone who streams two movies a night. How does that make any fucking sense.
Nicholas Hall
Do you think it's everybody getting the same speed no matter what they pay?! If u do , then no.Its just getting the internet speed you are getting on an equal rate no matter what u are using it on.
Jaxon Rogers
Your either a troll, a child or a shill.
ISPs are going to fuck us and gouge us when given free reign to decide what costs what over our communication infrastructure.
There is no reason an ISP should charge both the customer AND the content providers. That's literally what our monthly bills are suppose to cover, access to content providers.
ISPs make money hand over fist already, how do you no see that?
Logan Howard
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Chase Stewart
Remember to report all shill threads such as this one.
Thomas Baker
This.
AT&T sued to stop it being title II.
AT&T wants to be able to charge website to give faster access, and they want to be able to offer their movie streaming without it counting vs. caps. They only oppose the concept of time based caps
Oliver Ramirez
Obama fixed the Internet.
Trump wants to give it to corporations.
Trumpcare failed now he is after your porns.
Daniel Perez
Netflix users will drive up the cost of the internet. Because ISPs have to treat all the data the same, you will be indirectly subsidizing heavy data users.
Cooper Gray
You flaggots really are the worst, gook moot wants to clean up the site and holy hell he figured out a way to make the worst part of the site crash and burn with these flags.
Justin Barnes
Are you a bloody ancom
Jayden Reyes
Companies are allowed to charge customers on the amount of bandwidth they use under NN.
They just can't force you on how you use that bandwidth. It doesn't matter if Netflix or Amazon or PBS is taking up the bandwidth, just that it being used.
Hunter Garcia
I mean Sup Forums itself is advocating for it "Join the Day of Action for Net Neutrality, or else we may all end up banned from Sup Forums."
I have no idea wtf ur talking about.
Hunter Powell
guess what, you aready do.
ISP can charge for bandwidth already, they just can't charge more for accessing netflix then PBS.
Wyatt Powell
Hello India
how have you been
Gabriel James
Nice try JIDF. >NN exists Lots of people use Netflix, which increases demand, which increases total cost but decreases cost per GB >NN doesn't exist Lots of people use Netflix, which increases demand, which increases total cost but decreases cost per GB, but now companies can throttle speeds in order to reduce costs while keeping their fees the same, thus increasing their net profit
David Cruz
> > >you will be indirectly subsidizing heavy data users.
Heavy or light weight doesn't matter.Equal speed(the one you paid for)on everything.
Why the fuck would that be subsidising? Its totally private.You go to Fucking yahoo mail.You get around 35mbps.You go elsewhere.YOU get the same. Its not like you pay $15 and some nigger paying around $10 getting same speed. You get what you wanted.YOU get only what you wanted.
Carter Cox
Syndicalist. Mr. River Poo.
Alexander Jones
This. Without net neutrality Jewcast will be telling you that you can't watch straight white on white porn anymore. All you can watch is BLACKED and trap porn now.
Blake Williams
Your post makes no fucking sense. You pay for access to the internet, not content providers. There's nothing anywhere that says you are paying for content, you are simply paying for access.
Xavier Martinez
Motherfucker, these multi-billion dollar companies have all the bandwidth in the world, the cost of the internet will be fine. What won't be is the price gouging that'll happen if NN is cucked
Listen to this nigga
Ryan Rivera
Is Sup Forums being raided by shills big time or are we in the middle of a "Who can be the goodest goyim" contest
Noah Parker
This is myopic though. Bandwidth is only one part of the issue. Things like Netflix wreck network infrastructure because you are running TCP frames from server to client and back again at all times. Yes Netflix can be charged for bandwidth use, but what about the extreme use of routing and switching processing due to all of the traffic that is constant and real time.
This isn't like conventional internet in which you have a transient connection, and even games generally have low network overhead (as well as often using less intensive UDP protocols without having to worry about ACK packets).
Systemically, sites like Netflix, YouTube, and even things like Twitch have the ability to damage the experience for an end-user even if he has high up/down, simply because these sites are utilizing an outsized amount of the network infrastructure. It isn't just the size of the bandwidth pipe itself.
Robert Richardson
>OP will justify this sorry but if you're not a normie, your life will be completely JUST if net neutrality goes away
only normies who don't leave their facebook bubbles won't be affected
Bentley Rivera
>Apparently Netflix is angling to become Silicon Valley’s king of corporate welfare. We learn from a New York Times economics column advocating for an Internet industrial policy that “Netflix is trying to build a coalition of businesses to make the case for… net neutrality.” And that the “online video powerhouse Netflix started a political action committee to complement a budding lobbying effort in support of the idea that all content must be allowed to travel through the Internet on equal terms” — translation: always at no cost to Netflix.
>But Netflix isn’t in need of public assistance; it is America’s video subscription leader with 23 million subscribers. Netflix has $3.3b in annual revenues, $1.2b in gross profits, $800m in cash, a 34% return on equity, and a market valuation multiple over twice the market’s. And Netflix flexed its exceptional pricing power last year in raising its prices 60% without losing many subscribers.
>Netflix’ net neutrality plan is a shameless Washington plea for corporate welfare via Government price regulation of privately-owned broadband networks so… Netflix’ uniquely voracious 33% usage of the Internet’s traffic peak does not cost Netflix anything! Greedily Netflix is asserting that it somehow has an inalienable “right” to forever gorge on nearly a third of the Internet’s peak capacity without any obligation, responsibility or expectation to either responsibly use, or contribute to the cost of operating or investing in, the Internet infrastructure that they use more than any entity.
Comcast and the big ISPs need more control over what I view and how quickly it's delivered. There is more than enough ISP choices in America which is why we have the fastest internet.
Henry Jones
forgot my meme
Austin Morris
>but what about the extreme use of routing and switching processing due to all of the traffic that is constant and real time. You mean what about the ISP customers using their connection they have been sold?
If an ISP can't provide the service they are selling then they shouldn't be selling that service. Crying when people want to use what they bought isn't a defensible position.
Noah Roberts
Fuckin ancapistan bullshit "hey guys if we lick the boot that's stepping on us a little harder maybe it'll be a better more fancier boot!"
Isaiah Long
Then build better networks. It not like the internet providers have not known about this for ten plus years and have spent their capital improvements as such. Youtube been around since 2005.
>being a literal shrill
Netflix is not the user of this network capacity, the people watching netflix are the users.
Carter Lopez
It's just equal ACCESS. Without NN: You wanna watch straight porn. You pay for 35mbps. You get 15mbps for it. You wanna watch Black Pansexual Incest Shit. You get 70mbps. With NN: You pay for 35Mbps: You wanna stream some movies from your ISP. You get 35mbps You wanna stream a movie from some other site other than your ISP. You still get 35mbps. Nobody is going to get more speed for less money.
If you still dont get it, You are an eternal Normie.
Luis Ross
Again, if you ever find yourself fighting alongside Netflix, you do so at your own peril.
Please engage in some introspection. Look at how coordinated the media campaign is.
This whole situation would be a wet dream to Edward Barnays, the pioneer of public relations and propaganda. They've actually convinced the public to support corporate welfare.
Even if you're a NatSoc, you should be against this. The consistent position for a NatSoc is to nationalize the ISPs. Either have a free market or have it publicly managed. None of this dangerous middle ground.
Connor Williams
WOW WTF I love comcast and big telecoms now!
Adam Foster
>Fast forward >NN gone >2018 >Paid for 15 Mbps >Go watch straight porn >100mbps >Gay tranny black porn >10mbps
J U S T U S T
Carter Evans
>fighting alongside Netflix And your fighting alongside comcast
Anthony Sullivan
Yeah but the Jewish corps aren't gonna do that
Matthew Brown
>implying micro transactions are a bad thing >implying cost of ISP won't go down due to distributed costs >implying this won't make bitcoin skyrocket
I'm okay with this. If you haven't bought a Sup Forums pass, you're already working for google for free.
Joseph Brown
>more fancier boot okay sure, maybe ancaps are dumb, but the illiterate will be the first to go on the day of the rope.
Xavier Edwards
This is why any ideology that falls under the x-axis is batshit
Gabriel Phillips
>ISP should be able to control what websites you browse, what games you play online, what programs you use and everything else you do online
Fuck off you kikery shilling faggot. I don't want the Internet to become ISP's personal playground.
James Jackson
>Be Ancuck >Lick corporate boot >Surely the market will become cheaper and faster once NN is gone >NN gone >The two or three mega corps jack up their prices >There is no other competition to challenge them >JUST
Jonathan Allen
>Enjoy paying $50 a month to shitpost on your mongolian chemistry forum. Meanwhile tyrone is watching 2 netflix movies a night on your dollar. This is why ISP's provide different tiers of service. If all you're doing is posting on mongolian chemistry forums, you don't buy the $50 high speed package. You buy the $5 shit-tier package. If tyrone wants to watch 2 netflix movies all night, he has to pay more. What a crazy concept!
Brayden Gomez
When will retards realize that the ISP isn't a content creator or provider?
Juan Stewart
>When will retards realize that the ISP isn't a content creator or provider?
They literally are the provider, what the fuck do you think the P stands for you fucking moron?
Chase Price
when will you realize that doesn't stop ISPs from choosing what to connect you to once net neutrality is gone?
I have a computer science degree so please don't lecture me on technology, you on the other hand don't because you would be in favor of net neutrality if you did
Aaron Allen
TV: >pay us additional monies >some of this monies will go to content producers ISPs: >pay us additional money >well yeah, it won't change anything for them, you'll still have to pay content producers separately LOL
Sebastian Flores
Quick recap >Net neutrality = internet at the same speed for all (law made in 2005) >IF net neutrality get taken away = 2 different speed internet (pay to have a better internet)
Basically without net neutrality site have to invest more money on company for optimization of content sending (i don't know the english term, in my language is called instradamento)
Liam Price
Mate you are gonna get retarded if you continue this conversation with this ancuck anymore.
Asher Harris
They provide access to the internet not the content on the internet nor what you do on it.
tv (((licensing))) and other common kikery found in broadcasting isn't anything at all like the internet.
Owen Garcia
>If an ISP can't provide the service they are selling then they shouldn't be selling that service.
ISP are selling bandwidth at the moment. I suppose you are right, they could simply sell network utilization. Would you agree that would be in their right?
>Then build better networks
You have just created an even greater monopoly. Tell me how regional ISPs are going to be able to "update" network infrastructure without simply being subsumed by larger Tier 2/3 providers? The TCP/IP standards are old, and a lot of stuff can't be fixed from a design standpoint without massive changes to infrastructure.
Aaron Bennett
>mfw there are actually people who want the internet to become more like cable TV, where you have to buy packages to get fast access to certain types of websites.
Want to just browse Facebook? Pay $10/month for the ultracuck social media package! Oh wait, what's that, you also use Sup Forums? Well why not give us another $20/month for the edgyMcEdgster package. Oh, I guess you also use gmail. That will be another $5/month for the superduper communications package.
Nolan Stewart
>Netflix is not the user of this network capacity, the people watching netflix are the users.
That's like saying food producers don't benefit from the existence of food stamps, because food stamps are only distributed to individuals, not to corporations.
Do you even understand what you're saying?
IT'S NOT JUST COMCAST. THERE ARE SMALL INDEPENDENT ISPS. I know the owner of an independent ISP who went out of business because his tax dollars subsidized his competitor. This shit always happens when the state gets involved. This WILL make it harder to enter the market. Regulation ALWAYS favors the established corporations because they can eat costs better than the little guys.
John Garcia
They can also control the speed we get while receiving different content.
Blake Powell
How to fix this problem? Civil War.
Luke Lewis
if you're wondering what ISPs will do if net neutrality is repealed, we already know.
No that is not correct. Sorry for my shitty italian.
NN = Si paga l'importo impostato per una determinata quantità di larghezza di banda
no NN = Paghi di più per alcuni siti web, poi altri siti
Jonathan Thompson
No, Netflix is responsible for paying ISPs for faster access to their website. Right now they pay the same to host as someone like Sup Forums. Basically we're all subsidizing their business and they are raking in way more profits than they should because they don't actually have to pay for the costs of doing business.
Carter Martin
Sup Forums would cut its nose to spite its face in order to keep being contrarian.
Caleb Nelson
> Netflix is responsible for paying ISPs for faster access to their website. Right now they pay the same to host as someone like Sup Forums You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Easton Price
>ISP should sell bandwidth, nothing more.
Why? Why are they not allowed to sell services that they choose to as a company?
Carter Diaz
>The year is 2028 >Cable TV extinct. >3 ISPs in the entire world. >The smaller one Releases relatively better offers to get new customers. >As TV is also running entirely on internet, other companies make the connection time out whenever somebody goes to their site to see their ad. >The smaller one dies out of competition. >2 ISPs. >They divide the internet. >One is the JWW The other is WJW. >JUST U S T
One starts
Jayden Richardson
>THERE ARE SMALL INDEPENDENT ISPS. Motherfucker 89% of Americans only have access to one or two ISPs. This is not a market you can enter regardless. Any new ISP that would gain traction would just get bought and incorporated into the Borg that is broadband. When will you retards learn that competition doesn't spring up out of nowhere just because you rolled back regulations
Isaac Powell
>Doesn't the fact that all these major ISPs are supporting NN set off some red flags? WRONG BITCH they're the ones trying to repeal it
Connor King
This. Internet corporations are not paying their share of bandwidth thats it. Corporate shills are latching onto the whole net neutrality rhetoric to scare monger people into defending them.
Gabriel Sanders
Hope the Supreme Court does something.
Caleb Reyes
No you fucking idiot.
ISP sell access to the internet. They can sell it by speed, or overall access. But they can't do something like "We will not let you do VOIP since that competes with our other business.
This isn't some sort of tax subsidy, so your other comment is not even related to NN.
How can smaller car companies survive dealing with the big three, Honda, Toyota, and VW?
You make a great product that people love or you go away. If you can't scale up you have to provide better service.
Also, since in many areas there is one provider, NN is treating them like a utility, which is what they fucking are.
Julian Cox
Because the internet is too important to be seen as nothing more than a business opportunity for large corporations. What you're proposing is akin to privatizing the country's fresh water supplies. Fucking retarded loblertarians prove that they have no common sense once again.
Benjamin Davis
>wanting to pay netflix rates for posting on imageboards You can always tell who the shills are, they use the same phrases all the time
Why not: >ISPs sell "bandwidths" >ISPs also sell their services/content separately Most ISPs don't have anything to do with majority of content available on the internet.
Michael Myers
Where am I wrong?
Ayden Jenkins
POO IN LOO AJIT
John Lopez
So is the answer to this more competition? It seems like Net Neutrality is a massive consumer issue in America from what I understand.
In the UK if a company tried this they'd get fucked over, it'd be financial suicide.
Bentley Kelly
>Most ISPs don't have anything to do with majority of content available on the internet. Wrong, Comcast, AT&T, Time Warner, and other ISP are active in developing content on the internet.
Nicholas Cook
you won't be able to post here soon
Luis Harris
Honestly I just despair of our entire era.
Even in this bastion of free thinking everyone is in lockstep with the rest of the indoctrinated masses. I've never seen anything shilled so hard from both sides.
Obviously since we've NEVER had truly free markets, when things aren't working the answer is another even less free market.
Just another clarification: you can have one company with 100% market share and it's not necessarily a monopoly because a competitor can still enter it.
Oh are we citing Wired and Washington Post now?
>nothing more than a business opportunity for large corporations You sir are an anti-capitalist.
Read this fags. FCC is going to usher in a another economic boom. Quit sucking jew tubes and neflix teat on your free starbucks WiFi. Spending money isnt evil its called an economy and we need to bring it back.
