What do you guys think of net neutrality?
When I hear the message that we want ISP's not able to throttle specific websites, that sounds nice in theory, but at the same time, this violates my principles of trying to use as little government force as possible. I like the idea of the net remaining neutral, but I don't like the idea of the government forcing ISP's to do it.
If this is a stupid position, please educate me Sup Forums
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>What do you guys think of net neutrality?
It's a good thing.
It's one of the only things the democrats are 100% right about
second, its better for every business that isn't an isp.
>please educate me Sup Forums
Do you like posting on sites like this one?
In about 5 years, this will be impossible because the local ISP monopoly in your town would've banned access to this site due to racism, sexism, nazism, and all the other isms
Stop making these fucking threads, I'm tired of seeing this garbage there's like 700 threads about this stupid shit already
Before Title II was implemented in 2015 the internet was LITERALLY HITLER.
>2014
>be me
>wanting to sh*tpost on Sup Forums (bad words were a no no)
>call my ISP and ask them to unlock my wifi
>$9.99 has been deducted from your checking account (ISPs had access to your finances back then)
>sit down and put $1 of quarters in my PC to boot it up
>open Firefox
>you are accessing the internet. Proceeding past this point will result in a $4.99 non refundable security deposit. Do you wish to proceed?
>y-yes
>decide to check the news first
>try to go to RT
>do you agree to the $4.99 charge
>yes
>get redirected to MSNBC
>charged $9.99 instead
>hit the back button
>charged another $4.99 for trying to access RT
>redirected back to MSNBC for another $9.99
>read the headlines so I don't get charged $.99 a click
>try to go to Sup Forums
>$12.99 charge for viewing controversial content
>jk, the liberals are blocking it today and I just lost more money
>turn off my PC
>sit down on my couch to watch Netflix
>try to watch Passion of the Christ
>the liberals are blocking it
>SWAT team raids my house for viewing anti-semitic content
Such was life back then. We can't go back to those days.
The governments biggest role is to prevent monopolies and the abuses that could come from that (like throttling)
This. Its pretty much the only liberal talking point I support. Government in this case doing exactly what its supposed to do. Imposing a small set of regulations that insure free market competition. It's honestly one of the few points that if Trump fucks up would turn his base against him and tank support.
I mean, isn't it like all but confirmed for happening?
shill thread
The democrats would still do this just under another name and for other reasons that are more PR friendly.. All it takes is the right amount of money to the right people.
Glad to see my fellow Redditors are educating the rural and suburban retard Nazis on this shithole.
funny how all the jewish left wing companies are shilling NN so hard....
the left hates free speech. when they get in government again, they will fully curtail it. They badly want to shut down our channels of communication.
Hold this L if you white
We shall see, If Trump goes through with it, he shouldn't expect a reelection or the support vs press for example that he has enjoyed up until this point.
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>Facebook
>Twitter
>Amazon
>Reddit
>Google
>Microsoft
Sorry Nazi, these are freedom loving companies who would never use the power of government to shut down political opponents.
>When I hear the message that we want ISP's not able to throttle specific websites, that sounds nice in theory
sounds nice in practice too. getting rid of net neutrality seems like another way to fuck us over.
Only retards who don't understand what net neutrality entails are for net neutrality.
explain it then. it always sounded like a good principle to me.
Getting rid of Net neutrality basically makes the internet into cable T.V.
>$9.99 package for news websites
>$9.99 package for sports websites
>$9.99 package for cooking websites
>$9.99 package for Social media websites
>$9.99 package for etc.
>Interent slow? Another $29.99.
>Sorry, we don't allow Sup Forums, reddit, or tumblr because of racism, sexist, pornography, inciting violence, etc.
Nah, I don't want this shit.
The whole reason I voted for trump was because he was supposed to stop big government spending.
We need to show our support for trump by saying NO to net neutrality.
There's no such thing as net neutrality. Do you really think Jewgle, Jewtube, Kikebook and other big websites haven't been selling your personal information to advertisers? Not only that, but anyone that posted anything on Sup Forums was put on several different watch lists. There is no net neutrality, but that doesn't mean ISPs can charge extra for sites that you visit
This is what alarmed me and didn't make me just default to "fuck yea net neutrality."
I saw the list of companies supporting it, and I suddenly wondered "wait... what am I missing here? Reddit? Netflix?
Am I secretly being fucked over here and missing something?
what about protocols like bitorrent? what about bitcoin? canning net neutrality seems like a bad idea.
it's another way for internet giants to subtly manipulate people's habits
THIS
NO MATTER HOW THE FUCK THEY SELL IT, ITS A POWER GRAB BY THE GOVERNMENT. THEY WILL "REGULATE" IT.
THEY WILL SHUT DOWN SITES ON THE MERE SUSPICION OR ACCUSATION OF COPYRIGHT OR ILLEGAL MATERIALS WITH NO TRIAL.
FREE SPEECH WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST.
TELL ME THIS. IF WE'RE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE EVIL ISP THROTTLING CONNECTIONS, HOW ABOUT WE WAIT UNTIL THEY START DOING IT, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT NEW REGULATIONS TO STOP THEM.
IF ITS NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. YOUR INTERNET WORKS TODAY AS YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO, THEN WHY WOULD YOU GIVE GOV POWER OVER IT AND EXPECT NOTHING TO CHANGE?
THIS, ALONG WITH THE TPP ARE AMONG THE MOST SHILLED LEGISLATION OUT THERE. BOTH ARE BAD FOR THE PEOPLE.
Do we need to spell it out for you or what?
>Netflix
They will literally be the first to be charged with the new rules
"your website streams are so FUCKING BIG that you need to PAY UP BIG MONEY if you want your customer to access your content at the highest speed possibile (still subject to throttling because they will just offer the ISP customers Hulu or some other platform they sell / own that has the highest bandwidth and no data usage".
Netflix would have to foot the bill to their customers, thus destroying their revenue model.
Reddit is there because it's a controversial site that uses lots of bandwidth too and is used by millions of people (so they would get billed by ISPs). The fact that half of the site is Bernie bros /Hill bots who love "internet freedom" and the other half is alt-right memers who are against the Jews like Comcast and AT&T is just a plus for them. They get a free defence force without having to shell any money
yes goyim, corporations are bad. government is good huehuehue
ALL NET NEUTRALITY THREADS ARE SHILL THREADS
u fucking retard. net neutrality is anything but. it will destroy the internet u fool
idgaf how jewish it is.
again, what about bittorrent? what about crypto?
wrong u retard.
>corporations are bad
Corporations in a oligopoly or monopoly will (almost) always be bad.
Back in the day we didn't need the government to enforce free market principles.
What's funny is if you look at the primary opponents
>ATT
>Verizon
>Time Warner
>Comcast
The key leadership roles are filled with a lot more goys than the companies fighting to keep NN.
If an ISP throttles a website and you don't like them doing it, switch your damn ISP. What can't you statist faggots understand about a FREE MARKET.
Government ruins every damn thing they touch, I choose a corporation battling market forces any day.
Kind of hard when the ISP in my area has a monopoly
the reason bittorrent isn't trottled to shit right now is because the data types must all be treated equally by ISPs because of net neutrality principles. if net neutrality gets wiped then you can bet bittorrent traffic will be fucked over immediately. this will also apply to any type of content or any service you can think of.
>switch your damn isp
ha
that's the point i'm trying to make. it's a big deal because it gives the isp way too much control.
...
I know you're joking, but this kind of hyperbole I see when libshits talk about net neutrality is what makes me skeptical
and i'm sure the government can make deals with ISPs faster than it can pass laws, so in a way this gives the government more control too.
gay af.
Most liberals actually oppose net neutrality. Ending it will give them absolute power.
There's jews in both sides, idiot.
Are you fucking high? They aren't doing it now because of ??? So to make sure they don't do it, we have to pass new laws? There is no net neutrality in action right now. Who exactly do you think is "making sure they don't throttle"?
if they aren't going to do it, then what's the harm in keeping net neutrality? the law is already on the books, right?
calm down mate.
there is a law right now that protects customers' rights to use their connection however the heck they like without the ISP charging different rates or blocking/throttling different content/servers. it's known as net neutrality. what do you think net neutrality is if you don't understand this very basic concept?
and they've tried already, remember comcast?
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>uses Amazon to buy Mein Kampf
>uses google to find information on race and intelligence
>uses Microsoft's operating system
>posts Hitler memes on facebook
>links to /r/The_Donald
Fucking CNN fuck off and try to stop making NOTHING BURGERS
CNN IS FAKE NEWS
Well, definitely not as cut and dried as I thought. I thought it would be 90/10'ish
Net neutrality is a good thing. Net neutrality via government intervention isnt.
The correct answer is to get rid of the FCC net neutrality as well as government regulations that create corporate monopolies out of ISPs.
Those who support government intervention net neutrality are either uninformed "neutrality sounds good." Reddit tier propagandists spouting bullshit talking points "without net neutrality the internet is dooooomed!!1!"
Or flat out marxist/statists "government is my friend"
>this violates my principles of trying to use as little government force as possible.
Are you capturing your own rain water? Have a personal nuclear reactor? How's that phone service you started up working out for you?
No they haven't. show me one incident.
Need more answers for accuracy. I'll post the same poll a little later on to get a clearer picture
I can tell you're a retard because you don't know how to write, and don't know how to argue.
>enduring free market
>taking over the market via the FCC
Pick one
SO MUCH THIS. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT.
>uses money to start ISP
>now don't have enough to net neutrality permit
so THATS why internet service providers want net neutrality
here are my thoughts on it
What goverments won't force you, corporations will.
Freedom to compete means freedom to limit the freedom of others via competition.
literally copypasted from wikipedia's 2nd paragraph on net neutrality
A widely-cited example of a violation of net neutrality principles was when the Internet service provider Comcast was secretly slowing (a.k.a. "throttling") uploads from peer-to-peer file sharing (P2P) applications by using forged packets.[6] Comcast didn't stop blocking these protocols like BitTorrent until the FCC ordered them to do so.[7] In 2004, The Madison River Communications company was fined $15,000 by the FCC for restricting their customer’s access to Vonage which was rivaling their own services.[8] AT&T was also caught limiting access to FaceTime, so only those users who paid for the new shared data plans could access the application.[9] In April 2017, an attempt to compromise net neutrality in the United States is being considered by the newly appointed FCC chairman, Ajit Varadaraj Pai.[10][11] On May 16, 2017, a process began to roll back Open Internet rules, in place since 2015. This rule-making process includes a public comment period that lasts sixty days: thirty days for public comment and thirty days for the FCC to respond.[12]
Finally, another guy who gets it. net neutrality will 100% end in censorship. That's the one true goal.
digitaltrends.com
citation from the wiki on net neutrality
The solution is just to encourage competition and fiber optics. Net neutrality is foreign to states that have 4 isps.
So what you're saying is...everything was fine and the one company who actually did it was fined by the FCC. AND THEY DIDN'T NEED NET NEUTRALITY TO DO IT.
>digitaltrends.com
Oh wow what do you know? It happened before net neutrality, and was solved without NN, and they were fined and haven't done it again. So tell me again why we need NN so bad? LMFAO
>all caps
Confirmed. Net neutrality is good.
i feel like we have different ideas about what net neutrality is. I think it's about allowing a customer to use their internet connection however they choose without the ISP being able to charge more or limit speed for certain types of internet usage.
Does it mean something else to you?
This. Good shit
Hey commiefornia.
The fact that they've done it in the first place?
Lolwut? How do you think they got fined?
>FREE SPEECH WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST.
>1st amendment isn't being repealed
K.
of course the faggot doesn't respond
>Imposing a small set of regulations that insure free market competition
except netflix is using more bandwidth than any other company and when the infrastructure is 100% saturated this means smaller companies are disadvantaged in the market. liberals say the rich should "pay their fair share" in taxes but not when it comes to actual consumption. in the case of net neutrality netflix is using more, profiting more, and paying the same as much smaller startup companies. if companies are allowed to use 40% of the total national bandwidth (as netflix at peak hours does) while paying the same as everybody else, what does the isp do? they either realize expanding the infrastructure by laying fiber optics etc is not profitable so progress grinds to a halt, or they raise the price on everybody equally thus negating the purpose of net neutrality as the average user is paying more anyway. the real problem with isps is that local governments create local monopolies in exchange for kickbacks from the isp. this kills competition in the market. if government believed in free market competition this would have never been a problem to begin with. please do your homework on this before siding with the government who created the problem in the first place.
>no net neutrality in action
Wrong. A law was passed in 2015. The motion now is to repeal those laws or not.
>all that text
if the isp is getting hurt with high operating costs from excess data use from customers who want to access high bandwidth services, they should increase the price of data used on their connections. isn't it obvious?
>if companies are allowed to use 40% of the total national bandwidth (as netflix at peak hours does) while paying the same as everybody else
in other words, they don't pay the same as everyone else. they pay proportionally more based on the amount of data they use. it's none of the ISP's business what the customer does on their connection as long as they pay for their share of network utilization. this is what net neutrality is, and it's fair for everyone.
I just want to say much thx to the Sup Forums admins for not fucking around with your userbase like plebit idiots have done.
In moments like this you notice the ones that use their power to manipulate their userbase for what ever social justice thingy is going on.
Social networks arent made for propaganda pushed by the owners, every reddit mod should feel ashamed for what they are doing to people that want to use their platform for its intended use.
You don't know what net neutrality is, don't you?
this guy gets it.
Move area?
I tried to go to it but my Free Think package through Time Warner that allows me to participate in polls and studies hasn't kicked in yet.
You don't pay for each additional TV show you fucking Plebbit cretin.
i got carried away. as a network administrator this issue has been a thorn in my side since it began. nobody seems to actually know how the internet works but they all have an opinion.
they're not paying more is the problem. in the US at least netflix only pays to rent the ip addresses they use but the bandwidth is shared evenly. the idea of fastlanes was to make netflix actually pay for the burden they've placed on the system. there's a reason the major companies supporting net neutrality are all streaming services. they're fucking over average users to make a profit and net neutrality is protecting them while they do so.
net neutrality is a government scam, when is the last time the US government did anything to help its own people? it's for the benefit of jew-run companies across the board, retards. and now Sup Forums is defending jews, good job kids.