Net Neutrality

Ok what the hell is going on? There's so much fucking confusion. I can't tell if it's just an influx of shills after the big Don Jr. nothing burger or that Sup Forums is genuinely split on Net Neutrality. Can someone give pros and cons and why I should be FOR or Against it?
No shills pls

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Honestly?
Net Neutrality = more government control

The first few shillings weren't going successfully, so this year they really amped it up.

A little backstory:
Netflix, which streams a fuckton of data, was overloading internet services, and drowning out regular traffic.
Their provider said "fuck that", and throttled them.
Commie shills are angry that they can't get their superfast internet & movies at the same time.
Net Neutrality will use the government to force all providers to provide the exact same internet service to everyone, regardless of content or context. Internet Communism, really.

Your internet is going to be Molyneuxed and INDIVIDUAL because everyone knows that FREEDOM means you have to pay for shit that once was free.

You came here asking why you should be against it? Well. Net Neutrality is a socialist collectivist (and some how liberal in an extreme sense) thing. Because it basically means that people everywhere have acess to everything. Buuut.. what if.. we could like TAX them... ehm.. I mean make them Voluntairly Pay to visit oh.. say an Indo-Peruvian Carpet Tailoring-trade-for Anime Board online?

Net Neutrality = Gubment control.
No Net Neutrality = Gubment control but now you pay for it lols.

Pay to win fgts.

Would I have to pay money for the same things that I have now? i saw pic related and got really worried.

No.
Anyone with a little technical background knows this is false.

Right now, you can make an account with AWS and not only pay almost nothing, but you'll have full access to the entire internet backbone and their load-balancing services.

If you want to set up your little webserver in your closet, it obviously won't be that fast.

Companies want the most money possible, doing that would give them more money and the only thing that stops them from doing it is net neutrality.

Basic human decency would stop you from doing it but i doubt any big companies have any left seeing how they started doing exactly the same thing with video games a few years ago.

The answer might be no if the more than half of the U.S. population had access to more than one internet provider. As it stands however, there is no competition whatsoever due to backdoor dealings, so companies will raise their prices, charge for specific sites, outright ban every politically dissenting site they can to virtue signal, etc.

I really do not understand why people are in favor of handing the internet over to a cabal of jews that don't even want to hold the pretense that they aren't fucking you over.

How slow or what speed we talking about? And what is AWS I'm not tech savvy aside from some basic networking classes but things like setting up servers confuses me.

its entirely possible

no matter how you cut it or what trick you propose, bottom line is that your data is going through their servers, and 99% of people who use the internet do not have the ability to circumvent it.

do you honestly think your pic is gouing to be a reality?
the only way I can see this happening is if the govt imposes some overarching monopolistic law that had good intentions but too many uniintended consequences
like net neutrality (((regulation)))

Literally none of this is true. Stop sucking jew cock and kys, globalist shill

>the only thing that stops them from doing it is net neutrality.
source?

>I really do not understand why people are in favor of handing the internet over to a cabal of jews that don't even want to hold the pretense that they aren't fucking you over.
I too am against the state adding more red tape.

Source: common fucking sense and basic critical thinking.

>globalist
the entity you are attempting to have do something for you, has enabled globalism on a scale never thought possible

...

ok reddit. your doomsday scenario is not going to happen, unless you are naive enough to let the government spray more "good intentions" on your face

There's a lot of pricing, but here's a full rundown:
aws.amazon.com/pricing/
For example, from what I can see, you can pay $0.09 per gigabyte, for up to 10 Terabytes per month.
That's really fucking cheap.

You forget a fundamental thing about the internet.
It's getting fucking optimized every day.
Pro Net-Neutrality advocates will never be explicit about one thing: what's being throttled.

As a "consumer", your download speed will stay fast and get faster.
"Producers", or what the infographic slyly avoids mentioning, will keep getting their upload speed faster.

As a consumer, you're almost never uploading anything. You upload speed will be throttled.
The producers, on the other hand, have terabytes of data to give you, so they need it as fast as possible.


Good one.

>Net Neutrality will use the government to force all providers to provide the exact same internet service to everyone
You really don't know a damn thing about this, do you?

>b-but muh government
In what possible case does not allowing anyone to fuck with internet data fuck you over? Unless there is some part of the regulation I'm unaware of.

By giving corporations control of the government, we are giving the government control of the internet.
Someone slyly said to me that why bother if we're being spied on anyway, I gave the analogy of the fbi looking at you through a keyhole when it comes to them spying on the internet. You wouldn't want to give them the keys to the door?
The whole other side is having to pay extra for something for no reason other than greed. Which, in a capitalistic society isn't necessarily wrong, but since most people can barely afford life right now, it would be a tough sell to the American people, unless you're retarded or something.

Corporations control of the internet*
Typo

Kys, kraut faggot, different flag won't hide you.

>You really don't know a damn thing about this, do you?
You clearly know less.

>people itt are willing to get censored and fucked by corporations because of "muh internet communism"

Reminder if this goes into effect Sup Forums will become inaccessible

What's the point of this? Eventually everything is a buisness in the near future. Net neutrality just slows down the process. Can't wait for shills to get off websites slowly because of this

It does get rid of /r9k/ and tons of Sup Forumstards and shills on this board

thats not what this argument is about, or what people are worried about

People are worried about the fact that companies would have the ability to create fast lanes or even block access to certain sites for a fee

you have to be a pants on head retard to think that they would not be tempted to do this, and probably will if it goes through

bottom line, you NEVER give people in a position of power a tool to limit you, because they WILL abuse it and will never give it up.

You just don't get it

Theyd rather get censored by corporations instead of accepting a government policy that protects their ass because "gommunism"

Well, net neutrality means that they have to treat all traffic the same, doesn't matter if it's coming from youtube or a mongolian basket weaving forum, but without it, they could slow down certain websites, and then ask you to pay to bring them back up to the normal price.

They will of course claim that they will only ask money to speed it up even further, but why would they do that if there's no competition and they can just jew you like i explained before?

Why would the ISPs give a fuck about throttling small websites that don't use hardly any brandwidth and couldn't afford to pay fees anyways? That's not how it worked before net neutrality and it won't afterward. Without net neutrality, the massive companies that use tons of brandwidth will be forced to pay for what they use. People like myself who could give a fuck less about Netflix will pay much much less.

So it's either selected websites package or australia tier speeds for everyone?
Some future.

Unironically, it's the massive influx of redditors.
Every year for as long as Net Neutrality has been a thing, they've had cute "protests" about how the internet is a God-given right.

But it also gets did of everyone else because guess who doesnt want to host a niche board of rightwingers and weaboos

Hint: every fucking isp

the picture you posted depicts how things are today. corporate internet is a multitude faster than residential lines.

so, propaganda like the picture are pure bullshit.

>even Sup Forums woWZERS!!!!
why does the media not know a fucking thing about us?

>build a road
>have a special access lane
>this is supposed to be illegal

Why should this be illegal?

by the way, their provider did not "throttle them" in ways that violated the net neutrality as it was known till then.

They just refused to let them connect more servers for cheap. It has always been industry standard, that you negotiate with parties you connect with. comcast used this freedom to keep netflix out, yeah, but they didn't violate what was known as "net neutrality".
Netflix then redefined what net neutrality means because the traditional NN was not useful to them here.

If there wasn't actual conflict Sup Forums, wouldn't have the quality of always being right. Debating the issue and sizing up each position is how you find the right path.

Right now, we're in the middle of that process.

way to be a cuck
imagine if you will, that your electric company came to you and said they it was going to start monitoring what you use your electricity on and you would not only have to pay for the electricity, but for the right to charge your laptop, or power your computer, as thats an extra fee

Enjoy being ducked and not being able to use your internet for anything because you believe that da fwee mawket is the best solution to everything, cuck

>People are worried about the fact that companies would have the ability to create fast lanes or even block access to certain sites for a fee
And you're an idiot that has no idea how the internet has worked.
It's been like this forever.

You know what? The free market works.
When a company does that, people hate it.
Then another company shows up who doesn't do this, and they get a fucking boom in business.

The OP pic isn't even that accurate in certain regards.

Imagine an era in which Netflix could never exist because Blockbuster bribed your and other ISPs enough to throttle traffic headed in their direction, and we still had to go to brick and mortar stores to rent DVDs (or at the very least pay the same exorbitant rates to rent them digitally.)

Imagine a world in which online retail is a shitshow where you can connect to certain vendors and not others, and prices rise across the board to factor in these bidding wars.

These are the sort of things that can and will happen when net neutrality is not a thing. It stifles competition, progress, and creativity, because most Americans (and indeed much part of the world) have no choice in what internet provider they use and thus there is nothing to stop price gouging and general assholery from service providers.

Who cares? Internet is what lead to the (almost) irreversible downfall of society in the first place.

True. Almost every damn board will be a wasteland except for /biz/ and maybe Sup Forums because they have money

I do agree that Internet isn't a given right, but net neutrality just delays the given chance for corporations to make the internet like TV. It isn't bad, but it is a lot better then literal bums on the internet

They have already priced the internet subscription as high as possible in monopoly regions - so high that further additions wouldn't be paid by the customers. So it probably doesn't change a whole lot.

Every isp worldwide has cdn boxes plugged straight into their cores - thats fast lanes for facebook, google, akamai

Every isp has a transperant cache / proxy so they dont need to load the facebook logo ten trillion times a day

Anti trust against large isps is a far more effective tool than anything else - net neutrality should be an anti trust issue instead of you fuckwits protesting shit you have no understanding of

Literally a Jewish scheme to make more money off the internet that they've already destroyed. That's basically it.
I'll give anyone 6,000,000 years to show me one thing that Jews have improved instead of destroying or just one shred of evidence that shows they aren't the reason we can't have nice things. I'll wait...

What's actually happening.
>build road
>build slow lane
>put everybody in the slow lane except for Mitsubishi cars because Mitsubishi payed you the most, tell them that they can go on the normal lane if they pay your special 50$ fee.

>Then another company shows up who doesn't do this, and they get a fucking boom in business.

I know, its not like companies such as comcast have the congress in its pocket with its army of lobbyist that strangle new isp's from starting up and gaining any power

kys, you say people dont know what they are talking about and then say some retarded ass shit like internet providers play nice.

You do realize that everything will become a monopoly and that we are only slowing down the process to this. It's better for the internet. it makes redditors practically fade away

>Why should this be illegal?
to prevent monopolization by certain websites

>Big companies built the internet

Next you'll tell me that (((Google))) built (((Youtube))). And you're trying to educate people? I hope you're gassed.

(((they))) know they lost control we the jews now. they now have to resort to pretending its what we want to get their way.

Net Neutrality FAQ:
>1. Who supports NN?
Reddit, (((Sup Forums mod team))), Google, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon, Twitter, Snapchat, AirBnb, Spotify, etc. Notice how all of these groups are leftist.

>2. Will anti-NN legislation "bundle" the internet?
No, this is a commonly repeated Jewish lie like "communism works". NN only came into effect in 2015 and there were no bundles before then. If NN is repealed, there will still be no bundles.

>3. Are they going to block/restrict/slow down Sup Forums?
No. They have the technology and legal basis to do this right now, but they aren't doing it. Anti-NN legislation won't change a thing. This is just another Jewish fiction designed to cause panic.

>4. We need to fight for NN or the internet will go into the hands of the evil corporations and Republicans! Keep the internet free and independent!
The internet is already not free. Obama already gave control of the internet to the United Nations in 2016.

This place is full of contarians. Guarantee if the leftists were against Net Neutrality, more people here will be for it since they won't want the Jewish controlled telecom companies to have more power.

>Then another company shows up who doesn't do this, and they get a fucking boom in business.

If you don't live in a major city, this is the opposite of how it works. Your town has probably made some stupid fucking agreement with one of the major players who has basically unlimited license to skullfuck you because your alternative is having no internet at all.

It's all (((astroturfing))) shills.
>inb4 free market will stop throttling
What free market? There's usually only one fucking ISP in an area and do you really think the areas with more won't have ISPs (((colluding)))?

And this should be illegal why?

And why should this "monopolization" should be illegal?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System

monopolies are illegal. companies that are big like comcast play a cat and mouse game of not being considered a monopoly

>I do agree that Internet isn't a given right, but net neutrality just delays the given chance for corporations to make the internet like TV.
Jesus christ, they won't make it like TV.
Enacting Net Neutrality laws will.

That's the government, engendering a monopoly.

In a proper free market, you wouldn't have to jump through gov't hoops to build your own ISP.
In today's world, you need to give out so much money, only the big players can afford to play the game.

When every company has the ability to make money by slowing shit down and charge for access, nobody is going to make a business based on the opposite

I except someone like you to care about free speech and expression, but no I guess da fuhwee mahrket is better than not being cucked by your overlords

>Without net neutrality, the massive companies that use tons of brandwidth will be forced to pay for what they use
They already pay for this, it's called their internet bill. Same as you or me.

Get that wallet out fatty

I really hope you're baiting

>giving corporations direct access to influence websites and media won't make things like television
You are the result of inbreeding

>When every company has the ability to make money by slowing shit down and charge for access,
How stupid are you?
Do you know what their business model is?
Selling you fucking internet.

Internet is not like food. You can go without it. If slow it down and make it expensive, people will stop buying it.
This is fucking Econ 101. Have you gone to college?

Netflix doesn't even give a fuck anymore. They print so much money that Net Neutrality would only help their competitors.

They used to defend it and now they are barely on board. As far as I'm concerned, let companies tax the fuck out of Netflix, Amazon, and Google. I don't give a fuck.

The market will correct itself (i.e new companies will spawn to take the place if people give a shit)

Sup Forums poll

strawpoll.me/13420194

I really hope you have an argument.

>NN only came into effect in 2015 and there were no bundles before then. If NN is repealed, there will still be no bundles.
This is one of the main lies of the jewish shills. NN is actually the keeping of the status quo. Without NN, ISPs will, for the first time in history, be given freedom to deny you services as they want. It's allowing ISP censorship.

Enjoy paying an extra $20 a month to be given permission to access Sup Forums.

RON PAUL SAID DONT GIVE THEM POWER OVER THE INTERNET SO FUCK OFF

there is no split on pol about net neutrality. no one wants corporations to have yet more control, especially over the last bastion of true free speech.

ISPs having a monopoly is the problem. If there were more options then net neutrality wouldn't be an issue. As it stands the choice is between corporate greed and government mismanagement.

Stop moving the goal post, i was correcting your analogy not telling you it should be illegal.
I do think it should be illegal though, it's massive fucking jewery, and the first thing that would probably happen is some feminist fundraiser to pay comcast to throttle Sup Forums to the point where it takes 2 hours to load a single thread.

>(i.e new companies will spawn to take the place if people give a shit)
If only.
Google tried.
Turns out, a government sponsored monopoly is pretty tough to beat.

underrated post

OY VEY GOYIM! WHY ARENT YOU SUPPORTING NET NEUTRALITY?

what a retard

Net neutrality is communism and it degrades the quality of the internet.

People who want to watch Netflix or porn or watch twitch all day don't like the idea of paying a subscription, which is why they support net neutrality, because it forces average joe who uses the internet to list stuff on Craigslist every now and then or look up some business on google to pay for the brandwidth usage of some weeboo who lives with his parents and plays World of Warcraft all day.

Without net neutrality, everyone's internet service cost will go down, and no, you won't get a fucking pop up from Comcast that says you need to pay 49.99 more a month to access twitch, instead Comcast will bill companies like pornhub and twitch and you will see these companies start charging monthly subscriptions to use their websites. These websites will then be forced to start increasing the quality of their service because theyll actually have to start competing with smaller porn or video game streaming companies that use little brandwitdth and don't charge subscription costs subsequently.

Boom, now you see why these massive companies like Reddit and YouTube and Facebook are shilling so fucking hard over this shit right now. Because they have been raking in fucktons of advertising revenue for a long time without having to pay a dime.

do you like having a choice when you buy a certain thing?
a monopoly doesn't give you that option.

You're forgetting that this only works if there is competition. ISPs in Burgerland are a monopoly. If your ISP blocks access to your blacked porn, then you just get another ISP, right? Wrong. There are none. There will be none. ISPs make sure to strike down any possible competition.

You obviously have not finished high school.

>All these government shills.
NN is the reason for shit like data caps.

Oh boy, here we go.
Against.
>Doesn't break up cable monopolies.
>Doesn't eliminate bandwidth or data caps.
>Puts short-sighted restrictions on one of the most powerful technologies in history
>Unclear or ambiguous restrictions on private business owners.

>Turns regulatory authority of the delivery of Internet content over to an unelected bureaucracy
>Everything the bureaucrats touch turns to shit
>See post office

everything you just said is fucking terrible and wrong.

So just to be clear this will only affect American right?
Meaning there'll only be less American posters?

> Net Neutrality = more government control

I was actually on board the Net Neutrality bandwagon several years ago...

...when it was a push for a constitutional amendment.

As soon as the FCC was mentioned, and the mere mention of how the FCC has been the government's censorship arm, it became very clear that Net Neutrality was a psy-op to convince people to vote against their own best interests.

Fucking sheeple.

>cuts the entire country in half with your road through the use of public land and public funding

>want to play by your own rules

here. Now do the world a favor and kill yourself.

>Enacting Net Neutrality laws will
We already have net neutrality and that hasn't happened, shill.
[Citation needed]

People arent going to drop internet when most of their life has revolved around internet

Most of the country revolves around the internet, so you mean to tell me making the only choice pay shittons of money or drop their entire plan?

And even then, what happens to all the websites and speech? Damn, this place is criticising internet freedom pretty badly, lets cut them down

>comcast will suddenly stop fucking their customers in the ass
You must not be subscribed to them.

You're right, they wouldn't need data caps if you had to pay 20$ to have access to ebay.

You know why it came to this though? It's because the ((internet companies)) couldn't ever get enough.

And now it's either all or nothing.

Verizon DID NOT VIOLATE NN when netflix was slow.

Net Neutrality was REDEFINED very recently by NETFLIX to include Netflix welfare.

>the most useful and widespread invention in recent years, which 87% of Americans use every day
>people are just going to stop using it
Electricity isn't like food either. Why don't we just stop all regulations on that too?

This. They're denying the inevitable. It's like they believe everything should be free and be paid by taxes. I can care less if it means Sup Forums dies, but I'd gladly like to see less and less people go on the internet all day. Could fix the problem of our generation maybe

fucking this right here

This. Removing net neutrality has merits IN THEORY, but in practice our government is so in bed with big business that it would make the internet worse for everyone. If fucking Google can't enter the market you know you have a problem.

Damn those data caps

Thank god I can pay extra to access basic shit now! Dog bless Ameriga

ISPs are not a monopoly. Just because your local government engages in cronyism with Comcast doesn't mean there's no competition. Even in areas with only one cable company, there are competing technologies available besides cable. It's not 2007 anymore.

net neu·tral·i·ty
noun
the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites.

FUCK OFF