REDPILLS ON NET NEUTRALITY

so your joodar is going off hardcore about net neutrality but you don't know why? let me break it down for you in one sentence....
>net neutrality takes the ability to censor the internet out of the hands of cable and telecommunications companies, and places that ability squarely in the hands of the US government
got it? does that make it clear enough for you? that's why all of these globalists and lefties are pushing for it.

since the internets inception and its proliferation to the masses, IT HAS NOT BEEN CENSORED because big communications companies HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE FREE MARKET!

that's why we have wikileaks. that's why we have infowars. that's why we have Sup Forums. BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BUY INTERNET FROM SOMEBODY WHO TELLS THEM WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT SEE.

the GOVERNMENT does not have to answer to any such market. big brother can do whatever they want and if this policy becomes law then it might not happen today, or tomorrow, but eventually all of the "redpill" websites like this one and ESPECIALLY people publishing content like wikileaks will be GONE! they will be deemed "treasonous", or "an attack on US sovereignty" and the government will censor them.

just believe them! just believe the government! nobody is

remember in october when obama handed off control of our internet to the UN? this is all a part of that same process. in that meeting, he decried a "wild wild west of information" that needed to be literally censored with a "truthiness test" to stop what he deemed as, for example, incorrect opinions about global warming.

youtube.com/watch?v=fR5ZhYjjWEg

that's why all of the "elites" are pushing it. that's why all of the "globalists" are pushing it. that's why plebbits front page is full of special messages and bullshit regarding this issue. it's just another way to enslave you and fuck you over in the long term.

the free market is democratic in that it makes YOU, the CONSUMER, the only one who really has a vote in whether or not information is censored!

NET NEUTRALITY will change ALL of this! it will take the power from YOU the people, an the sniveling liars will do it all in the name of GIVING power to you, the people, under the presumption that you're too STUPID to call them on their BS

the internet and the free flow of information on it IS what allowed Trump to get elected in the face of a coordinated MSM attack against him. THIS WAS A BIG PROBLEM FOR THEM. ONE THEY MUST STEM UNDER THE BANNER OF "NATIONAL SECURITY" AND "FAKE NEWS"! trust them when they say they're doing it all for you guys! it's all for you! they just want to censor those "bad" opinions because they're not true and they will hurt you! it's not because the truth would uncover their corruption and unseat them from their thrones of power! no way! it's not like every regime in history has seeked to control the flow of information and what the people believe through propaganda, censorship and other dishonest tactics!

>and if this policy becomes law
It is law, though.

you are wrong as fuck you fucking retard!

net neutrality has been in effect since 1995.
without it you will be paying "dial-up by-the-hour" fees again.

that is all it would ever amount to.

no

but yes.

net neutrality has been in effect since 1995.
that is a hard fact.

The only way abolishing net neutrality would work in the States if there was another option for an ISP if one of them throttles. However, because of your countries retarded laws it's impossible to allow new ISPs to come up. Thereby, most areas have a monopoly and no other options have only one option.

And whenever a company comes along that tries to establish another option it is me with REEEEEs and screeching from established ISPs. Just look at how much opposition was thrown at Google for trying to improve internet speeds with fiber.

Pic related is what should be happening in the states with competition between the ISPs and market choice. That isn't the case.

even here nobody sees the big picture with this thing :(

scientist without PHD this fucking nigger.

How do we track down these shills and kill them? Anyone got any ideas?

if it has been in effect since 1995 as earlier user states, why have we not seen the government censoring as you say?

The government already can and does censor the internet, and it still would be able to with or with net neutrality. WTF are you libertardians talking about?

the US election started heavy libtard censoring once yasss started losing.

Killing one won't solve anything, some other fuckin Shitheel will rise to power instead

its been in effect in part since 1995 but there's more than just one law, and what they want to do in principle will allow government to ultimately control everything you see. that's why they're all supporting this so vehemently. you think they really want to protect you? you know they don't, you just saw obama TELL you he wants to censor you.

as of right now there's public outcry everywhere over censorship. on a smaller scale, it works on platforms like twitter and facebook, because those platforms have a specific demographic as their main market. but if the government has its way it will continue to move the power its way and it will basically stop allowing you to come to websites like this (seriously, this isn't a god damn conspiracy, you just heard the former president of the US say it to the UN, while he was still in power).

net neutrality is ESSENTIAL to this plan because it puts the governments foot in the door. if there's no net neutrality, there's no future for their plan to censor the internet.

everyone can call me a moron, that's fine, and maybe i spoke a bit out of turn and carelessly when i said "if this principle becomes law" or whatever, i guess you could interpret that as something different than it meant if you wanted to.

nobody seems to understand the play on this one.

The internet being title II gives far more power than you realize and is a bad move in response to regional monopolies.

Sauce

Source? As far as I know, CompuServe hourly rates were stamped out by AOL introducing monthly rates which became the go-to model of all dial-up ISPs.

You're the one incable of seeing the big picture.
Why the hell would Sup Forums or any reasonable individual be against net neutrality? The fact remains that most people in the US only have one, maybe two choices in ISPs. You can't just go to a new one. In principle what you're saying is solid, but it's no reality.
The ISPs are in agreement to keep competition to a minimum.
Net neutrality is the only way smaller new businesses can thrive.

If you can't understand this fact you may be retarded.

net neutrality is a principle. he's talking about a law. i guess some of the libtards and morons caught me on a technicality here because of one of the statements i made. there are laws that have been in effect regarding this whole thing for a long time, but it's not the full embodiment of the principle that people like /u/spez on plebbit and the rest of the demoncrats and morons are pushing for here.

where are these leftists who are pro net neutrality?

Look at this shill, LOOK AT HIM!

if you can't understand that despite all of the problems the free market has, putting power over people and information in the hands of the GOVERNMENT is even worse, then you may be retarded

I think this is the real issue. The internet becoming title II allows the FCC to regulate it. That's the key issue here. NN is just Jewish obfuscation.

The internet is not a fucking public utility like power and water. It is not needed to live.

fucking bingo dude

they are right behind you

Net neutrality has been the fucking default position since the 90s you retard. The telecom companies want to take it away, not put it into effect.

White Supremecists flags are always dumb as fuck.

not really, net neutrality is a principle and the law is always evolving and moving toward the side of placing the internet under government jurisdiction. like the above user mentioned, title 2 and all of the bullshit you've been hearing about it for the last few years

Yeah because you're totally not some comcast shill right?

Why shouldn't the Internet be a public utility exactly? We've become too dependant on it not to.

Because it's not a public utility. It's a convenience. It's like saying a personal automobile is now a public utility.

Idk why shouldnt food, healthcare, college, furniture, trips to cabo, cocaine, subscriptions to pornhub be public utility you retarded commie fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!

How the fuck is net neutrality a ploy to get the government to regulate the internet? Do you even know what net neutrality is as a principle? It's that bandwidth is bandwidth, regardless of the site it comes from, and thus telecom companies can't throttle connections to double dip into the consumers/companies pockets.

There's literally no point in arguing with you, you're clearly so wrapped up in "da joos" that you reality has a filter on it for you at this point.

>Man I sure do love getting fucked over by companies instead of letting the government do what I elected them to do

>Why shouldn't the Internet be a public utility exactly? We've become too dependant on it not to.
good god, this is the type of stupid mentality they rely upon. once it's a public utility, which is what i'm talking about here even though some shills have tried to pull some "gotcha" shit with a technicality in the OP, they can REGULATE IT and they can CONTROL IT. now you JUST HEARD the president of the UNITED STATES standing before the UNITED NATIONS and telling you that he intends to censor the information out there. he wants to stop the climate change debate, for example, via a "truthiness test" AKA literal ORWELLIAN MINISTRY OF INFORMATION so it's not a FUCKING CONSPIRACY THEORY it's the FUCKING FACT that that's what's going to happen once government gets its grubby paws on the internet

GOOD BYE Sup Forums, GOOD BYE WIKILEAKS, GOOD BYE INFOWARS, GOOD BYE BREITBART, EVENTUALLY GOOD BYE FOX NEWS!

>Do you even know what net neutrality is as a principle? It's that bandwidth is bandwidth, regardless of the site it comes from, and thus telecom companies can't throttle connections to double dip into the consumers/companies pockets.
THIS IS WHAT IT IS IN PRINCIPLE TO YOU. BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS IN PRINCIPLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT? AN EXCUSE FOR THEM TO PRESUME CONTROL OVER THIS VALUABLE INFORMATIONAL RESOURCE AND PLAY UPON YOUR STUPID LIBERAL, TRUSTING MENTALITY TO SUPPRESS INFORMATION THE WAY THEY ALWAYS DO

WTF dudes, I know most of you support Trump (and I used to do it too) but don't be retarded! Thanks to net-neutrality we've got Sup Forums, Can you Imagine what would have happened to this website without net-neutrality if Clinton would win the elections instead? we'd be rather fucked.
Internet must stay free from companies (in terms of domination of contents)

>Internet must stay free from companies (in terms of domination of contents)
and you're saying it needs to be put in the hands of the government to protect us from companies! hahahahhahahaha it's one or the other. take your pick. its the government or the companies. the only difference is that one is governed and kept in line by the FREE MARKET. GOVERNMENT can do whatever the fuck they want to do and once they get control over the internet they don't have to worry about elections anymore since they control all of the info. just like in the 90s and before, the people who won were the people the media TOLD you to vote for

>Sup Forums gives argument based on 'muh free market'
>Reasonable response points out that there is on competition for ISPs in the USA and ISPs regularly get anti-competitive laws put in place
>Sup Forums contrarians btfo yet again
Guaranteed zero responses besides me

>something means x
>but in reality it means the opposite because im retarded and see ghosts even when there are none.

This is why race realism is treated as a joke. Retarded fucking skinheads like you walk around with your arm outstretched spouting off the most asinine bullshit and generally making yourself look stupid. When in reality you are the very untermensche hitler would've gassed. At least keep your mouth quiet so that you can be a good useful idiot when you further our plans.

And your solution to this is to give the government complete control of the internet?

Jesus Christ it's true commies really aren't human

And yet nobody has explained how this law allows the government to censor the internet except for
>muh slippery slope

>>something means x
>>but in reality it means the opposite because im retarded and see ghosts even when there are none.
>This is why race realism is treated as a joke. Retarded fucking skinheads like you walk around with your arm outstretched spouting off the most asinine bullshit and generally making yourself look stupid. When in reality you are the very untermensche hitler would've gassed. At least keep your mouth quiet so that you can be a good useful idiot when you further our plans.

this comment is a joke. you're calling it a"ghost" i provided the video of obama standing before the fucking united nations and declaring it as his intention to censor the internet. what fucking "ghost" is that, you moron?

Dude, I didn't say internet had to be controlled by governments neither..
With Democrats in the power and without net-neutrality, do you think Sup Forums could stay alive?

NN doesn't give the government complete control of the internet.

yeah it is "muh slippery slope", that's right. it's a foot in the door for them. of something is done about this law, they know they will NEVER be able to censor the internet. despite all of the problems that exist with telecom companies, the only real hope for a free and open internet in the future is the free market the people holding providers accountable. that in itself is a pretty difficult task that the population might not (probably won't) be up to, but it's the only hope long term for preserving something that i think has become vital to our democracy and our rights / ability to govern ourselves

but that's the thing, when you talk about net neutrality it's inherently government control over the internet. the rest is just a matter of degrees. you've already let government stick its head in where it doesnt belong. now it's just a short skip and a jump to where they want to be. considering they are blatantly and openly lobbying for such actions in front of television cameras and the "UN", this shouldn't be written off as "muh slippery slope argument". it's here. it's now. this is what the whole "fake news" thing that came about was about and all of the attempted censorship of sites like infowars, even by companies like facebook, that stemmed from all that. government knows once these laws are repealed they will NEVER be able to touch the internet. EVER. THATS why you see all of these powerful people pretending to lobby for your interests on this issue, when on every other issue they're straight up globalist ideologues. it's no fucking different, it's just that this chess move is a little farther out than the average pleb, or even the above average pleb you would find here on pol, is capable of comprehending or predicting

So I'm seeing a trend with republican lawmaking. The idea is
>"this law isn't perfect, it solves one problem but creates another"
>"lets get rid of this law, and at the same time not fix the original problem"
Is that the idea here? Why don't the republicans in congress want to fix the issue of ISP regional monopolies? Have they shown that they care about the issue at all?

>since the internets inception and its proliferation to the masses, IT HAS NOT BEEN CENSORED because big communications companies HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE FREE MARKET!

That's a lie though, Mr. Shill

The internet hasn't been censored because they didn't think to censor it, while running around creating market monopolies everywhere they could.

Then around 2010 onwards to 2014 they DID start to censor and control what you could see online, and people collectively voted in favor of net neutrality laws to put an end to it. In 2015 the US got net neutrality legislation.

And the internet's been how it was in the beginning since then. You can still visit any website, and the providers can't censor content or deny access.

Net Neutrality has nothing to do with a free market. It doesn't create the market monopolies we see today, and it doesn't influence how they're created either. What Net Neutrality actually does is prevent ISP's from censoring content. And I need to remind people - the ISP's are companies like Time Warner (CNN), and Comcast (MSNBC). Do you really want these people controlling what websites you can and cannot visit?

The market monopoly situation is one which is entirely outside the scope of net neutrality. So if you want to fix the monopolies, repealing net neutrality laws that are currently in place will do NOTHING.

But the liars, like the OP, have a lot to gain by net neutrality being repealed. They're LYING to you about what net neutrality actually does. They're LYING to you about how these market monopolies actually form. The same old tactics by the same old media. Don't let them trick you again.

Food should be a public utitlity dumbfuck. If it weren't we'd be stuck with your cheap unregulated shitty milk.

Wow. You're even more retarded than the guy above. We have net neutrality (which doesn't mean the government controls every aspect you fucking shill) and we have price wars between ISPs for who can be the best. How about breaking the monopolies to allow competition?

Oh, but you have absolutely no response to that do you? Is swear verizon and comcast and these bumblefucks have to be shilling here.

DO YOU SEE THIS PICTURE? THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE STATES BECAUSE OF YOUR MONOPOLIES.

no this is more aptly flipped back around towards democrats who see a problem and then think "letting the government handle it" is the best answer when government is responsible for more mass murder in history by far than any other entity.

In that video he was talking about handing over control to ICANN, literally has nothing to do with Net Neutrality.

I know you're slow and all but jesus christ at least try to use your brain.

I'm talking about the Internet becoming title II you stupid fucks. Read the thread and then post you Reddit newfag faggots. Kill yourselves.

And let me state this again, you stupid fuck.

Your solution to GOVERNMENT CREATED monopolies is to GIVE TOTAL CONTROL TO THE GOVERNMENT.

GREAT LOGIC THERE YOU MOTHER LESS CUNT

PURGE THE COMMIE SCUM

>the GOVERNMENT does not have to answer to any such market. big brother can do whatever they want and if this policy becomes law then it might not happen today, or tomorrow, but eventually all of the "redpill" websites like this one and ESPECIALLY people publishing content like wikileaks will be GONE! they will be deemed "treasonous", or "an attack on US sovereignty" and the government will censor them.
>just believe them! just believe the government!
Ah gotcha! So there really is a need for an "Open Society". Perhaps George Soros isn't that evil after all.

Net Neutrality (e.g. common carrier status) wasn't enforced before 2015, but the ISP's acted as common carriers for beneficial legal reasons (e.g. they are not responsible for the content of the websites they provide access to)

However, that started to change as the ISP's decided they wanted to police and enforce their own idea of what the internet should look like (cable television) and then in 2015 an actual Net Neutrality law was put into place.

So we've been living under Net Neutrality legislation for about two years now, and "effective" Net Neutrality legislation for over a decade. Has the entire internet collapsed during this time? No! It's what makes the internet what it is today.

But CNN (ISP - Time Warner) doesn't like that. CNN doesn't want people accessing Sup Forums. CNN doesn't want people accessing alternative news. Broadcasters don't want people watching Netflix and Youtube instead of Cable Television. They want to repeal Net Neutrality laws so they can start breaking down the internet and controlling what you can and cannot see - just like they already do with cable.

If you really have a bone to pick with market monopolies, net neutrality has NOTHING to do with that.

The Market Monopolies are bought and paid for by the very ISP's trying to convince you it's a problem with Net Neutrality. It isn't! These ISP's come into towns, cities, and states, bribe representatives and get deals that lock out any competition in their market. That's not a net neutrality problem, it's a too-big-to-fail and corruption problem. We need to break up the monopolies, not let them lie to us about how net neutrality works so they can fuck us over even more.

the problem with what your saying is that peoples ANSWER to censorship isn't the right answer. you're taking the CENSORSHIP power out of the hands of one group that is ultimately accountable to you and putting it in the hands of another that you KNOW want to censor you and has even LESS accountability.

you're making the problem WORSE and then saying "well but look, there is a problem now so we have to do something about it". well sure, you have to do something about it, but you're doing something that just makes it WORSE.

the answer is not to entrust government with the power to control the internet, the answer is to take away government regulations that prevent new businesses and competition from starting up.

then when private entities stop regulating, guess what? the people have another choice and they take their business elsewhere.

considering that your heads of state have already officially stated their intention to censor the internet (one example linked to in OP, obama at UN) this is the ONLY way and the ONLY answer.

LESS GOVERNMENT LESS GOVERNMENT LESS GOVERNMENT, that's always the answer

you piece of shit you communists literally claim "we're going to create a free and open society through massive government regulation which is eventually going to lead to no government" and the irony and stupidity is genuinely fucking lost upon your sad and sorry moronic souls

The United States has the US Constitution in which the right to free speech is very clearly enumerated.

The US Government and the FCC cannot start censoring these websites without violating the first amendment of the US Constitution. If they try to do it, every citizen affected has legal grounds to sue the government and take the case all the way to the supreme court. A recourse that they don't have if the censorship is instead enacted by private corporations colluding together. (e.g. exactly like what we see right now today with the fraud news networks - who again I have to add here, are the same people who own most of the ISP's in the US)

CNN = Time Warner
MSNBC = Comcast

These are the people you're willing to let control the internet? You really think they have YOUR interests in mind? Fuck no they don't.

Not an argument.
>and the irony and stupidity is genuinely fucking lost upon your sad and sorry moronic souls

Humor me.

>In that video he was talking about handing over control to ICANN, literally has nothing to do with Net Neutrality.
no you dumbass, it has literally everything to do with it, that was the president of the united states, speaking before the united nations, stating HIS INTENTION TO LITERALLY CENSOR THE INTERNET OF DISSENTING OPINIONS.

like he was 100% clear about it. straight up. that's not a strawman, not a hyperbole. that's literally what the fuck he said. there is 100% no way for you to gaslight this or pretend "there is no connection" fuckin' shills

>the problem with what your saying is that peoples ANSWER to censorship isn't the right answer. you're taking the CENSORSHIP power out of the hands of one group that is ultimately accountable to you and putting it in the hands of another that you KNOW want to censor you and has even LESS accountability.

Corporations are the ones with less accountability, shill.

The People of the United States have a legal founding document called the US Constitution that lawfully prevents the US Government from enacting censorship. The FCC could not censor websites even if they wanted.

>They want to repeal Net Neutrality laws so they can start breaking down the internet and controlling what you can and cannot see
they can only exert power over their customers though? arguing for the state to have such power is much worse because you wont get a choice. And you are expected to pay for this regulation with taxes

Holy shit, is there no limit to your idiocy? Let me spell it out crystal clear so you can get it through your thick skull.

Net Neutrality does not mean complete government control over the internet. Net Neutrality is fucking necessary until something can be done about the monopolies. Less government interference is a good thing. But since corporations are literally fucking everything up we need this tiny little regulation.

>The US Government and the FCC cannot start censoring these websites without violating the first amendment of the US Constitution.
ok mr child porn poster

wow, just wow. i hope more people follow this comment thread and just marvel at your stupidity. it REALLY genuinely is lost upon you why you can't create NO government through legislation and massively beefing up the government to control every aspect of life and economics? like really? we're really even having this discussion right now? this is a real thing?

Is King Nigger president right now? Didn't think so.

Net Neutrality is the government telling ISPs they can't throttle speeds based on content type. It doesn't set up a data regulation agency in the government; in fact, it does the express opposite.

Literally shatter yourself my man. You're so fucking dumb I'm actually done talking with you.

>Net Neutrality is fucking necessary until something can be done about the monopolies. Less government interference is a good thing. But since corporations are literally fucking everything up we need this tiny little regulation.
so you are recognizing the answer is to end government regulation. SHRINK government and allow competition, which will allow choice, and pander to the free market by not censoring, is the answer. cool. i'm glad we agree!

>Corporations are the ones with less accountability, shill.
Is that why enron is still around? Oh wait no they arent because when they fucked up they couldnt force everyone to pay taxes and keep the charade going

Jesus Christ you must be taking back dicks so far up your ass that they're hitting your brain and causing damage.

I'm not talking about NN. I'm talking about the Internet becoming title II you stupid fucking kike shill.

Who do i want tocontrol the internet?
The government who the people voted for and can take out, or a private company that i have no say in whats so ever. Really makes me think.

>The People of the United States have a legal founding document called the US Constitution that lawfully prevents the US Government from enacting censorship
wrong. there's nothing in the first amendment that prevents the government from simply shutting down access to a website like wikileaks or even Sup Forums. it only prevents them from prosecuting websites like wikileaks or Sup Forums. but even that goes out the window once they manage to spin it as "wikileaks and Sup Forums are threats to the united states of america" "treasonous" or "foreign powers interfering with our elections"

>you voted for the FCC chair and co.

God damn you are dumb

Is that supposed to be English? Are you drunk, perhaps? What are you trying to say? And why the fuck are you so sensitive?

>The government who the people voted for and can take out
election fraud shits on that idea

>they can only exert power over their customers though?
That's correct. And they own the market. They run the market through legally enforced monopolies that they have BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. The EVIL MARKET REGULATIONS REEEEE RUINING MUH FREE MARKET REEE shit that you're so angry about, is not being caused by the Government. It is not being caused by the Net Neutrality legislation that currently exists.

It is being caused by the very ISP's trying to convince you to repeal net neutrality "so the free market can take over" e.g. so they can scam suckers like you. Because these ISP's are going from state to state and buying vendor lock-in contracts stipulating 1-2 ISP's in entire states. The market regulations you care so much about are being bought by the corporations themselves.


>arguing for the state to have such power is much worse because you wont get a choice.
If the US Government became so totalitarian that it wouldn't abide by the US constitution any longer, do you REALLY think they'd look at the corporations and just go, "Oh well, we wanted to censor the internet but the corporations control it so we can't, bummer."

Come ON nigger. The CIA practically CONTROLS the mainstream media. If anything, letting the corporations control the internet is exactly how they'd enact government censorship via the back door. E.g. Project Mockingbird.

Only a shill could be this intentionally obtuse.

>They run the market through legally enforced monopolies that they have BOUGHT AND PAID FOR
and your solution is to give the entity that made this possible, even more power?
LOL

if it's a fact, then cite a fucking source

>FCC chair
Put there by Donald Trump. Who i voted for.

He's a paid shill

Has to whore and debase himself for the sake of a few shekels. Look on him with pity, as he's lost his humanity and his agency, and is now more akin to a puppet than a human.

I don't like the FCC chair and I hope Trump replaces him.

If Trump knew how CNN et al plan to silence his online base through repeal of net neutrality and leverage of their market monopolies, he'd have never put the guy in that chair in the first place.

>muh censorship
We have NN now and somehow the government doesn't censor the internet. Meanwhile monopolist ISPs sure as fuck can and would throttle shit like Sup Forums (because normies only care about faceberg and ISP would rather direct their bandwidth to it than random other sites), torrents (because only pirate hackers need them anyway and they're a pain in the ass for ISPs) or VPNs (who cares about pedophile terrorist traffic anyway).

the majority of states have failed
>that wasnt real statism
>this regulation is gonna turn everything around!
>just a few more taxdollars

Been waiting for someone to make a concise post on this. Well done, OP. However, I suggest we drop the memeflags for a bit since the raiding leftists are almost exclusively using them to identify each other. In typical (totally not ironic in any way) liberal "fashion", they're only using white supremacist type flags. (Nazi, Confederate etc)

Yeah, but in the case of Net Neutrality there needs to be something done with the ISP not allowing competition first. The States just isn't ready yet I feel.

so you basically are just recognizing that you have no substance or merit to what you're saying and trying to cover up with ad hominems about my grammatical style, right? k, thanks for playing "try to stump OP", maybe you'll have more luck next time!

no no no. once things are censored there's no more ability for the people to control the government because that's ultimately predicated upon them having information. as obama says in the video, he wants to go back to the days when walter cronkite told america what to believe, and that was IT! NOBODY knew different! there was no internet! just 3 MSM television channels and they all told you the same thing! the same pre-approved narrative! whoever they wanted to win an election WON! so no. your whole fuckin' point here is bunk. YOU do have say in a private company though, WHEN there is competition (we need to deregulate) by not buying their product and taking your money elsewhere and that is a power you have over them that nobody can take away from you!

>Meanwhile monopolist ISPs sure as fuck can and would throttle shit like Sup Forums (because normies only care about faceberg and ISP would rather direct their bandwidth to it than random other sites), torrents (because only pirate hackers need them anyway and they're a pain in the ass for ISPs) or VPNs (who cares about pedophile terrorist traffic anyway).

And this becomes even more obvious once you actually look at who the people involved in these monopolist ISP's are.

I'll point out again, for the sake of it: Time Warner is CNN. Comcast is MSNBC.

We only need to look at what those two fraud news networks do to cable television. We all know damned well that without net neutrality preventing it, they'd be trying to do the exact same thing to the internet. This isn't just a hypothetical anymore, it is past being obvious that these companies and the people who control them, want to completely control online discourse and speech just like they do on cable TV.

>We have NN now and somehow the government doesn't censor the internet
and when we didnt the ISPs didnt censor the internet. also less taxes

Ah yes.

Let's let private companies decide what you see. You can change policy by buying shares.

Have no competitor in your area? Tough. Muh free market.

Well done!
>Now pay x amount for Sup Forums

Net Neutrality is good because Trump said so. I love TRUMP.

Soros supports Net Neutrality. Plus, the government includes with free market too much isn't a good thing.

deregulation has to happen! that's the answer! these rich fucks and bullshit elites like /u/spez, who is the CEO of faggot plebbit, are putting these bullshit messages all over their websites and pushing their shit agenda like they're your friends because THEY DONT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN! they want the power to remain in the hands of the few high profile companies that there are! they want the government controlling EVERYTHING because it works in their interests! and shit, we all know SPEZ is fine with censorship too! THAT is their game!

if you DEREGULATE then all of these companies, which /u/spez may own stock or sit on interlocking boards of directors for, are suddenly VULNERABLE and aren't going to last because someone BETTER is going to come around and knock them out of the water!

but the PLEBS just eat this shit up by the pound. they believe WHATEVER their fuckin' elites tell them, so long as they spin it to pretend that they're looking out for THEIR interests!

Actually, let the burgers be shown what true corrupt corporate government looks like when they start charging extortionate amounts for access to Sup Forums and all those torrents and free porn.

>In B4 BASED gold package.

>Time Warner is CNN. Comcast is MSNBC.
and what makes these guys so bad?
>jews
what has more powerful jews, time warner and comcast or the federal fucking government
>hint: comcast isnt allowed to waco

trump is anti-net neutrality, moron. it's hard to know exactly what trump is going to do with NN, but if he stays true to his usual blueprint for these things, which means mixing scaling back the NN legislation with DEREGULATION of small business and start-ups, then the plan should work perfectly and competition should create a free and open internet without interference from conglomerates OR government!

LARPing fgt go away.

You absolute retard.

The government is you, you absolute MEME.

A private corporate entity that has complete control over the internet would tell you to fuck off as you own no shares in that company.

With no level playing field, it's literally gonna lead to a monopoly that is private and unaccountable as it rapes you whilst you yeall

>Muh govenrment. Free-market hell yeah!

That's incorrect.

First the ISP's didn't do anything because they wanted to be classed as common carriers, and were, though it wasn't enshrined or enforced in law. They BEHAVED as if they were under net neutrality.

Then they started to get uppity. They DID start to censor, block, and restrict access to content.

And the American People got Net Neutrality laws put in place to prevent and stop it.

And for the two years since that happened, we've had the internet continuing on just as it always has. But what shills like you are trying to do is strip these protections away - why?

It doesn't get rid of the market monopolies
It doesn't allow greater competition in the market
It doesn't make any prices lower

In fact, it does the opposite of all this in all cases. You aren't arguing for freedom of the people, you are arguing for the bottom line of corporations that want to control what people can say and think online. The same corporations that are already trying to control what people say and think on cable television. Not even in the "they're similar" but in the "They're the exact same corporations" way.

Shills we are not going to sell the future of humanity down the drain for the sake of a bunch of shitty corporations that want no more than to enslave us.

Get fucked.

>what has more power government that must ensure that all traffic is treated equal or ISPs that could literally do whatever the fuck they want with it?

Here, I'll show you what makes CNN and MSNBC so bad.