(((Net Neutrality)))

2012
>no Title II
>$7.99 for Netflix instant watch and DVD plan
>unlimited 4G with AT&T for under $70
>50Mbps internet for $29.99
2015
>Title II
>Netflix has packages like cable, with instant watch and DVD plan now being double
>customers are (((grandfathered))) into unlimited data plans, while everyone else has cable-like tiers and shared data plans
>$49.99 for 50Mbps internet
2017
>FCC starts counter signaling Title II
>race to the bottom for unlimited mobile data plan prices
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYBODY WANT THINGS TO BE LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_Communications
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v._FCC_(2014)
cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/3AF8B4D938CDEEA685257C6000532062/$file/11-1355-1474943.pdf
facebook.cvm/choladasvarias/.
youtube.com/watch?v=J7J1o67-Qjo
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

Shills

Reminder to always do the opposite of what (((google))) and (((facebook))) say.

Whoa there, goy. You mean Soros isn't /ourguy/?

MADISON RIVER: In 2005, North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked the voice-over-internet protocol (VOIP) service Vonage. Vonage filed a complaint with the FCC after receiving a slew of customer complaints. The FCC stepped in to sanction Madison River and prevent further blocking, but it lacks the authority to stop this kind of abuse today.

COMCAST: In 2005, the nation’s largest ISP, Comcast, began secretly blocking peer-to-peer technologies that its customers were using over its network. Users of services like BitTorrent and Gnutella were unable to connect to these services. 2007 investigations from the Associated Press, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others confirmed that Comcast was indeed blocking or slowing file-sharing applications without disclosing this fact to its customers.

TELUS: In 2005, Canada’s second-largest telecommunications company, Telus, began blocking access to a server that hosted a website supporting a labor strike against the company. Researchers at Harvard and the University of Toronto found that this action resulted in Telus blocking an additional 766 unrelated sites.

AT&T: From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype and other competing VOIP phone services on the iPhone. The wireless provider wanted to prevent iPhone users from using any application that would allow them to make calls on such “over-the-top” voice services. The Google Voice app received similar treatment from carriers like AT&T when it came on the scene in 2009.

WINDSTREAM: In 2010, Windstream Communications, a DSL provider with more than 1 million customers at the time, copped to hijacking user-search queries made using the Google toolbar within Firefox. Users who believed they had set the browser to the search engine of their choice were redirected to Windstream’s own search portal and results.

MetroPCS: In 2011, MetroPCS, at the time one of the top-five U.S. wireless carriers, announced plans to block streaming video over its 4G network from all sources except YouTube. MetroPCS then threw its weight behind Verizon’s court challenge against the FCC’s 2010 open internet ruling, hoping that rejection of the agency’s authority would allow the company to continue its anti-consumer practices.

PAXFIRE: In 2011, the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that several small ISPs were redirecting search queries via the vendor Paxfire. The ISPs identified in the initial Electronic Frontier Foundation report included Cavalier, Cogent, Frontier, Fuse, DirecPC, RCN and Wide Open West. Paxfire would intercept a person’s search request at Bing and Yahoo and redirect it to another page. By skipping over the search service’s results, the participating ISPs would collect referral fees for delivering users to select websites.

AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet, a mobile-payment system that competed with a similar service called Isis, which all three companies had a stake in developing.

>Soros endorsement

EUROPE: A 2012 report from the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications found that violations of Net Neutrality affected at least one in five users in Europe. The report found that blocked or slowed connections to services like VOIP, peer-to-peer technologies, gaming applications and email were commonplace.

VERIZON: In 2012, the FCC caught Verizon Wireless blocking people from using tethering applications on their phones. Verizon had asked Google to remove 11 free tethering applications from the Android marketplace. These applications allowed users to circumvent Verizon’s $20 tethering fee and turn their smartphones into Wi-Fi hot spots. By blocking those applications, Verizon violated a Net Neutrality pledge it made to the FCC as a condition of the 2008 airwaves auction.

AT&T: In 2012, AT&T announced that it would disable the FaceTime video-calling app on its customers’ iPhones unless they subscribed to a more expensive text-and-voice plan. AT&T had one goal in mind: separating customers from more of their money by blocking alternatives to AT&T’s own products.

VERIZON: During oral arguments in Verizon v. FCC in 2013, judges asked whether the phone giant would favor some preferred services, content or sites over others if the court overruled the agency’s existing open internet rules. Verizon counsel Helgi Walker had this to say: “I’m authorized to state from my client today that but for these rules we would be exploring those types of arrangements.” Walker’s admission might have gone unnoticed had she not repeated it on at least five separate occasions during arguments.

I'm just gonna shamelessly pasta my own comment form another thread:

It is impossible to reply to these threads as they are filled with comments like this:
>Private companies should be allowed to turn into totalitarian states

One of the founding principals of the Internet is that data packages should flow freely between the nodes in the network. More than anything it is a technical question. When data traffic is discriminated, it would then be impossible to create peer to peer services like Bitcoin or BitTorrent. Why? Because the data packages would possibly be stopped when entering some part of the network.

This would seriously fuck up the Internet because if routers in some part of the network started to discriminate packages, it would in many cases cause discrepancy between the routing tables and the actual throughput in the network.

Without net neutrality, the Internet will gradually become a virtual frequency band and start to look like cable television.

reminder to do the opposite of what VERIZON AND AT&T CEO SAY !

>Without net neutrality, the Internet will gradually become a virtual frequency band and start to look like cable television.
The internet has made a much bigger step in that direction since 2015 than it had in the previous 30 years.
Sure, do what Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter say because your IPS """""""might""""""" take block Sup Forums. Meanwhile, the aforementioned companies censor you and your access to information freely with 0 repercussions.

>The internet has made a much bigger step in that direction since 2015 than it had in the previous 30 years.
This is false. The internet is more than web content. Peoples media habits has not changed how the network operates. We can still use the internet as intended, and build technology on top of it.

>Meanwhile, the aforementioned companies censor you and your access to information freely with 0 repercussions.
This is unrelated. Net neutrality is fundamental for how the Internet function on a technical level. Without it it would be impossible for me to communicate with you. Because in order to do that, our data passes trough several networks, not just the ones we pay for services. The networks in between would not be interesting in allowing our communication to pass trough, because they would rather provide faster access to Netflix and other companies that pay them.

The routing tables in neighboring networks would say that it's OK to send data into these networks, even if they block anything that is not Netflix or Facebook. That way it would eventually become impossible to create services on top of the Internet.

This is the only topic i have ever seen where I hate both those who support it and those who hate it. Just a bunch of cock sucking smug individuals from both sides thinking they know everything. I want option 3 destroy the internet completely it only brought problems to the west. EMP blast whatever you need and rest everything. Welcome to the human race.

Please stop breathing.

(((Net Neutrality)))
>Gives more power to government that censor "bad opinions" e.g. right-wing
>Endorsed by (((Soros))) that pays 10s of millions to censor "bad opinions" e.g. right-wing
>Endorsed by (((Google))) that censors "bad opinions" e.g. right-wing
>Endorsed by (((Facebook))) that censors "bad opinions" e.g. right-wing
>Endorsed by (((Twitter))) that censors "bad opinions" e.g. right-wing

The world is crumbling socially and financially thanks to the internet. Whatever good you draw from it through porn or information is overshadowed by the damage caused giving destructive people a soap box to the world. Nobody talks to anyone face to face anymore. No one values community. Everyone is anti social. If I drove you 300 miles away from your home blindfolded and kicked you out of my car without a phone or money you would die from starvation. Fuck the internet it's brought us nothing but shit and degeneracy.

You people are out of your fucking minds. I'm terrified that I share the planet with such ignorant fucks. Go read what I posted and tell me how any of it is ok.

Calm it edge lord.

Ignore them. They think that Trump can do no wrong and is still pulling 4D chess. They put in no critical thought at all and just parrot whatever they see on Sup Forums. I find it honestly hilarious how easily somebody can subvert this place despite all the shitslinging and claiming shills every 5 seconds.

How can someone on Sup Forums be so brainwashed by Trump's republicans that they are actually against net neutrality?

It's summer

>Complains about "degeneracy" on the Internet
>Is on a Japanese Hentai board LARPing as an anarchist while on the Internet.
How are people this fucking retarded?

Ye this site is garbage too and we all would be better without it agreed.

But user then how would I complain about niggers and video games I've never played?

>7.99 for Netflix plan
I love how those Jewish fuckers don't even let you be grandfathered in when they raised their prices

Do it in person with your neighbors like they did in the 50's.

Trump literally has gotten ahead against all opposition, I think it's reasonable to side with someone that just can't be stopped.

>complains about kikes
>pays for netflix

holy kek that fucking macro hahaha!

When did we ever side with anyone? Fuck you.

>AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet, a mobile-payment system that competed with a similar service called Isis, which all three companies had a stake in developing.

THE SMOKING GUN

HAhaha OP thinks that prices will go anywhere but up without net neutrality laws. You're so funny. It's amazing seeing people vote against their own interests and this time it being legit. Like wow let's be in favor of paying more money to the jew overlords.

but m-muh free market

>Google
>Facebook
>Twitter
>Amazon
>Microsoft
>Reddit
>Tumblr
>George Soros
>Hillary Clinton

B-but Comcast and Drumpf are literally Hitler!

This is not a political activist forum for the "alt-right". It is an ironic re-branding of our old news board because the incarnation of cuckoldry found it too offensive.

>Private companies should be allowed to tun into totalitarian states
Fuck you too.

Programmers uses to hold the highest status on websites like this. Now look at this place, It has become a fucking shithole for children to play edgy.

How stupid are American liberals when even a bong /gets it/.

...

>Destroy the internet
Says the Amish nerd using the internet

A broken clock can be right twice a day.

Net Neutrality rules have been in effect for two years and literally none of the bullshit you are claiming to have been an issue have become one.


But in 2014 the ISPs were abusing their position in several high profile cases, many of some of which are noted in this very thread.

Why does everyone assume this is a bad thing

It just means getting retards off of the internet since Mom and Dad won't pay Billy's Sup Forums bill

It means no more phone posters too

Less people = Good

And if you're so worried about getting monopolized set up your own dark network

There's Unused Fiber wiring cables under every city

Your assumption that only the people you don't like will definitely be the ones fucked over is based on what exactly?

I for one support the ability to have a VPN and encrypt your connection. The ISPs have been talking about fucking that over and have on several occasions blocked such traffic.

>set up your own dark network
The problem is, you can't do that anymore. Or do you mean that we should start shitposting over long wave radio frequencies?

Soros isn't a broken clock. He is a clock 7 hours ahead.

Yeah you can
You can even set up a company and do that

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_Communications

Assumes I ever heard what they had to say to begin with.

1) You would need permits out the ass in most places
2) No, there is not Dark Fiber in literally every city
3) It is quite illegal to set up competing communications in some cities without a full telecom license

Having our own ISP, doesn't help. As soon as the data leaves onto some other network, it would be blocked. The problem is the large ISP's controlling the backbones.

We are already at that point. Every ISP in the US throttles traffic based on IP blacklists. No net neutrality or non net neutrality doctrine will stop that.

>Without net neutrality, the Internet will gradually become a virtual frequency band and start to look like cable television.

How? The only problem that is being addressed is the usage of high bandwith streaming applications [which was a problem identified 15 years ago (which has a solution in the form of more local storage) and has been dodged since]

If you want anyone to blame this issue falls directly into those who are pushing computing as a service (Microsoft and Amazon). THEY are the ones who are creating the problem and THEY will be the only ones who can fix it if they recognized the instability their models create.

> Every ISP in the US throttles traffic based on IP blacklists. No net neutrality or non net neutrality doctrine will stop that.

In the pre-Trump landscape the FCC (Under Tom Wheeler) was actively going after ISPs that tried any such fuckery in court if it was found out with exceptions made for explicitly malicious/unlawful traffic.

When Tom was replaced with PAJEET it all came tumbling down and the mess we are in now began again where it left off from 2014.

most people who are pro-net neutrality are basement-dwelling cucks surfing Sup Forums using their mom's internet
no wonder they are worried
how will they explain to mommy to get the 18+ option when they haven't even spoken about the birds and the bees with their christ-worshipping mother?

The level of projecting here is off the charts.

>The level of projecting here is off the charts.
is that right

Yes, it is exactly right, let's just put aside all of the content creators and companies that say that NN is important foundation of the current internet. Even Tim Berners-Lee says that what the FCC wants to do is garbage for the world wide web.

Or are you implying that he is a basement dwelling jew too that needs his mom to pay his ISP bill?

oh you're so worried about the "content creators"

You mean myself? Why yes I am, several of the platforms I use could have been snuffed out in their crib if streaming video was not protected by NN. Nice job avoiding the crux of my argument and pushing your logic fallacy though, really adult of you.

of course!
i'm so stupid and you are so correct!
kike
>several of the platforms I use could have been snuffed out
oh you poor retard
>pushing your logic fallacy though
you dumb kike
you're exactly as i said
you're worried you'll have to pay a few shekels more to get access to websites
you moron

The problem is that people aren't being 100% clear on exactly what the bill entails. Does it destroy Net Neutrality, or does it simply clean up the wording? Does it make everything more transparent and honest, or does it require everything to get approval from a moral guardian/ "anti-hate speech" group to not be throttled/censored?

Until those questions are answered, neither the lawmakers nor the bill's opponents are in the right.

So let me sum up your argument:

I am somehow a jew
We should let the ISPs bend us over a barrel and fuck us even if the 1996 Telecom Act gives them tax breaks in exchange for not having to.


Top shelf argument there. Truly one that will be echoed for the ages as well reasoned and fair.

yes
yes
yes
bye

>Until those questions are answered,

PAJEET has made it abundantly clear both during Tom Wheeler's tenure and now his own as head chair that he wants NN dismantled and to go back to the way things were in 2014 sans the FCC suing ISPs that fuck over their customers.

This "Let's give Pajeet the benefit of the doubt" thing is ill informed.

>haha how am i a jew for supporting big gov probing into the internet supported by the likes of soros and other global kikes just so I can watch hentai faster

Gee I just don't know, why don't you look at all these non-jews who happen to support (((net neutrality)))?

Can someone answer this question.

So your point is that ISPs did shitty stuff before the 2015 Net Neutrality law was passed, and that it was the FCC that stopped them when they were doing said shitty stuff.


... so if they were able to stop them BEFORE the 2015 NN law, why do we need it?

Ah, so I am a jew because my interests align with companies whose business interests are hinged upon an open and fair internet?

But the ISPs are not jews for cranking up their prices and blocking traffic like encrypted and VOIP packets? All to fund their third yacht?


I think you really need to stop using an insult you don't fucking understand because it sounds edgy.

>so if they were able to stop them BEFORE the 2015 NN law, why do we need it?

The FCC one of their larger cases against Verizon doing such fuckery. The opinion of the court was that what Verizon was doing was wrong but without set in stone rules of NN and a shift to title 2 they could not in good conscience rule for the FCC.

>AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet, a mobile-payment system that competed with a similar service called Isis, which all three companies had a stake in developing.
telecom companies are isis
also this is grimy as fuck i hate kikes so god damn much

>The opinion of the court was that what Verizon was doing was wrong
Citation needed, do you have a link to the published court decision?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v._FCC_(2014)

>The court suggested possible changes to the FCC's regulations that may be more amenable to their opinion.

cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/3AF8B4D938CDEEA685257C6000532062/$file/11-1355-1474943.pdf

This may shock you but nobody Jews Jews harder than Jews.

Torrent traffic (and porn traffic) is regularly throttled as nobody is trying to defend it in court.

That is where this entire argument is coming from as commercial video streaming does not want to subsidize the traffic of noncommercial.

Digital wallets are grimy as fuck.

Nobody looks good when you look at digital wallets

how did paypal win so hard

shit I image searched that pic and found this page facebook.cvm/choladasvarias/. Ive been laughing my ass off for 30 mins. Who knew spic couldbe this based

It won because ebay was it's daddy and connected at the hip and the brain.

If you use paypal outside of ebay holy shit what the fuck are you doing negro. I would not transact with paypal outside of an auction because of all the assfuckery that comes out of that black box.

>why would we need a more clearly stated law to prevent actions from happening!?

an ISP should be nothing more than a pipeline.

at this point i think it's now time for the average user to sue their ISP for every single virus, because if they're going to regulate the content, they're certainly responsible for what comes through.

holy fucking shit, they should all be in prison

ISP's being able to throttle connections is like the people who built the roads in your town micromanaging how fast you're allowed to drive. It's fucking bullshit

how does one get screwed using paypal? ive heard of them fucking vendors by being seriously consumer friendly.

but i don't see why that would be bad, i like paying with credit cards for the same reason.

they're more willing to charge back than bank/debit cards.

ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS NET NEUTRALITY IS A JEW SHILL
youtube.com/watch?v=J7J1o67-Qjo

Holy fucking shit, this video drops hard fucking redpills.

Net Neutrality is jewish in nature and brainwashes our children.

Enjoy being docile human beings for the rest of your life.

Get fucked niggers

Net Neutrality is inherintly anti-fascist. We need digital fascism to prevent the populace being brainwashed by useless information.

You're the ones LARPing as a """"Crusader"""" and then when someone takes your stupid little internet away you cry like a big stupid baby. Get fucked nigger

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Telcom Companies setting up different Internet Deals. Afterall it is annarcho capitalistic.

Go back to plebbit, niggers

underage detected

stopped the video at the thumbnail, can you summarize your point?

your whole post while very long contributes nothing to the conversation.

>National Bullshevik

Fuck off ISP Jew, go block someone else porn.

>We need digital fascism to prevent the populace being brainwashed by useless information
lol how could you possibly think this would be the outcome in the current year

Netflix wasn't pumping out any original content in 2007, and they weren't being scammed by ISPs back then

This is not about fair use.... its about government control in the future. They will slowly take more and more, shutting down more and more sights. Obama gave up control of the internet and said "There has to be some sort of way we can sort through information that passes some sort of truthiness test."

*ALARMS SCREAMING*

You're livestock if you cant understand that NN is all about control of the internet by the government to censor free speech. FUCKING IDIOTS!

wtf im with booster mobile now

>Google and netflix hog up data
>wants the government to keep allowing them to do it for free

Good riddens on NN

How shitty is your ISP that they can't keep up with Google's bandwidth?

All isps are shitty. But being one who use to work at a cable company, netflix and youtube absolutely sucked to have to deal with. The problem here is that those services want the consumer to fit the bill and not themselves. Which is why we have NN.

tl:dr stop defending google. It makes you look like a shill.

>>Google and netflix hog up data


Both paid their corporate ISPs for said data-usage, and the subscribers of Verizon, Comcast, etc. did the same.

Or do you think your electricity company should charge you extra for using the power you paid for to shitpost on your computer?

>Both paid their corporate ISPs for said data-usage

no they havent. NN exists solely for stopping that. Thats precisely why it was made in the first place: to allow obama's tool aka Google to exist without being censored by the isps.

Damn.... Trump supporters are dumb.

>thinking Im a trump supporter

That was your first mistake, lib shill.

>thinking I am a lib shill
That was a mistake

Who the hell would support the end of net neutrality but a Trump supporter?

Someone who has worked in networking and cable companies.

protip: the first people the cable companies are going to charge for anything is going to be google and co, and not the consumer with that shitty package pic flowing around.

hi, you must be new here.

go fuck yourself

Because niggers used cellphones that they didn't fill 2 year contracts with.. and used wifi hot spots as home internet since niggers and drove the cost threw the fucking ceiling. Oh. And they didn't pay off their 2 year terms so every one got burned. Except Captain snap stamps. Then their was just blatent fraud shit.. stealing phones using crack heads to open lines.

>need permits
>it's illegal

I wonder what the problem is...