Was he a hero of liberty, genocidal dictator or something in between?

Was he a hero of liberty, genocidal dictator or something in between?

Cromwell presided over a period of time in British history that saw a quarter of it's population wiped out and the monarchy de-legitimised and neutered.

Cromwell was a disaster.

You have no fucking home of your own, do you British?

I have heard that Cromwell is greatly popular amongst potato people. Is that true?

I remember learning about him in school.

He is generally seen as a good guy in polish education system.

>monarchy
>good

>People referred to the Merry Monarch, in reference to both the liveliness and hedonism of his court and the general relief at the return to normality after over a decade of rule by Cromwell and the Puritans. Charles's wife, Catherine of Braganza, bore no live children, but Charles acknowledged at least twelve illegitimate children by various mistresses. He was succeeded by his brother James.

No thanks, this is the degenerate that replaced Cromwell's iron but fair rule.

Depends on rather or not you're from Ireland or Northern Ireland.

That´s a bit weird because he was fiercely anti-catholic.

Daily reminder Cromwell let Jews back into England for the first time since king suchandsuch expelled them for coin clipping.

He was a retarded piece of shit.

>supporting mob rule and legitimising factional party politics

Socialist filthy please go.

Henry VIII

It's why Commonwealth coins have grooves.

Correction Edward I

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Better than a decadent aristocracy having degenerate orgies. Supporting monarchy would make sense if they were paragons of virtue. They're not. Even today Charles got cucked, did Diana get hanged? Nope. Not only degenerates but cucks.

>Better than a decadent aristocracy
It really isn't. And you'll always have an aristocracy. At least a monarchy is good for the nation.
>did Diana get hanged?
One day she'll face ju-- oh, right.

>royalty is degenerate
And what of our "honourable" politicians? They are scandalous trash that have not the interests of the State let alone the People at heart. Your so called Republicanism is the reason we are in this mess now.

retard that set the stage for what is modern england

Oh no politicians are hardly honorable, especially not the current ones. However if Cromwell's Commonwealth remained you're more likely to have a militaristic state where the army and the Church keeps decadent in check. A surviving Commonwealth/Protectorate would 100% not have been a "democracy" as we know it.

We were taught, that he was a great military commander, who single-handedly won the war for parliamentarians and that he was a just ruler, who did his best for England. I agree with what i've been taught.

Cromwell was funded by the Jews and is responsible for the bank of England existing.

They funded his genocide of Ireland in exchange for letting them come back. Jews have been committing genocide against whites in the millions constantly since the days of Cromwell.

This is what happens when kikes fund your rise to power.

>muh joos

I bet Sup Forums would tomorrow support fags if jews were against them.

Both, and liberty was a mistake.

He was a filthy traitor

Jewish servant

because supporting decadent papists was a much better choice

Cromwell was a hero who fought against decadent and incompetent royalty and papists.

Finally someone of a right mind.

Great leader and general. Created the first true modern army. Head went a bit west when he got into power...

>that he was a great military commander
He was lucky. He just had more men at any one time, and told them to all do the same thing. The Chevaliers were just too disorganised, wanting to be the heroes.
>and that he was a just ruler, who did his best for England.
Absolute fucking lie. He let the Jews back in and banned Christmas and dancing. That's not best for England, that's the plot of Footloose.

Lmao who gives a shit about some dead white guy

>told them to all do the same thing
Created the first true professional army with an officer corps not based on nobility, but military experience.

>banned Christmas and dancing
Fought against degeneracy

>He let the Jews back in
>muh joos

>banned Christmas and dancing
I'll bite on Christmas and dancing, but he also got rid of a lot of degeneracy. If the Commonwealth remained, while it would have moderated, you would've NEVER seen the decadence you see today.

Source?

So the Roman army. But yes, he was an egalitarian.
>Christmas
>degeneracy
Not sure you really belong here, heretic.

>muh joos
Scientifically speaking, was it not the worst thing to happen to the UK?
>while it would have moderated, you would've NEVER seen the decadence you see today.
You would, but just in different ways. You never noticed that nations which enforce asceticism tend to have people pissed off and fight against it?
Hell, why do you think the shit storm failed? Because no one actually wanted it except for a handful of idiots who fucked off over to the Colonies.

Read about what actually happened at Christmas in those days. It had basically deteriorated into a giant pissup, hookers, and bawdy festival. Like a Saturday night in Manchester. ..

This.

>More generally, it was a period of leisure, of eating and drinking to excess, of dancing and singing, gambling, gaming and stage plays (though modern-style pantomimes did not emerge until the eighteenth century), of drunkenness and sexual immorality, a period when normal rules and self-control did not apply, a period of deliberate inversion and ‘misrule’.

>monarcucks will defend this

sounds like every night in queensland

I know. But that's committing heresy because of a handful of wankers.
Not like it was St Basil's Day or something. The nigger was literally a Kevin Bacon foe.

Oh no. Fun.

Queensland best land.

>Oh no. Fun.
People like you are the reason why we have decadent hedonism today, not Cromwell. Stop acting like a patriot and say what you are - a liberal.

>People like you are the reason why we have decadent hedonism today, not Cromwell.
Nope. Banning things makes people want them more. Prohibition never works.
>Stop acting like a patriot and say what you are - a patriot
FTFY.
But also somewhat of a libertarian.

>Prohibition never works.
It works if its enforced.

>libertarian
yes so a liberal, a classical liberal but still a liberal

Sydney please, no need to be all salty.

NQ fag here

>prohibition
No need for prohibition. Just ridiculous taxes and excises.

/ourguy/

When I was in school polish education was pretty anti-catholic, pro-EU, pro muh equality although it was more subtle than western education.

>Jews funded Irish genocide
uhh I thought Jews were supposed to be the bad guys

You probably would've gotten that eventually. A surviving Commonwealth would still be way better than what we have today.

Nope.

>Overthrew the rightful Monarch
>Murdered white people
>Persecuted Catholics
>Let the Jews back into England
He's bad.

Pope-loving warmongering tyrant. Got what he deserved.

GOD save the King!

First three of them very good things. Last one was minor thing at time, just couple of hundred returned and Cromwell wished they would convert to Christianity.

Oliver Cromwell was a pretty cool bloke. Religious, nationalistic, strong, redpilled on parliament so he made himself king after realising it was a pile of shit.
However, it would have been better if he dropped dead. He invited Jews back unwittingly, not knowing what shit they would bring later.

Holy shit finngols not being white confirmed for not being a meme

Found the protestant WHORE

hitler basically did all of the above and you guys unironically suck his dick constantly
>inb4 hurr joos
he supported zionism and let many jews into very prominent positions, besides I thought the holocaust was fake, right?

How was it getting molested by a worshipper of satan as a child?

>It works if its enforced.
When has that ever worked, though?
>yes so a liberal, a classical liberal but still a liberal
Eh, perhaps, but still a bit too right wing for the full effect.

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You should know better you're Sweden 2.0 after all

>becomes El Presidente
>let's the Jews back in
Pretty clear.

>rightful monarch
>a papist cuck serving Rome

When prohibition of alcohol was enforced, it worked. Weed and that other shit was never a thing up until the 1960s, because again, it was enforced culturally which was subsidized by the government.

>When prohibition of alcohol was enforced, it worked.
Except for all the rum runners, and the speakeasies and so forth.

I think genocidal dictator fits the bill perfectly

t.father liam o'diddler

I like Poland.

Are Irish people white?

A surprisingly great commander for a Brit who started learning how to fight wars in his 40s. Had so many close calls and so many fucks ups on the enemies part that I can genuinely see why he thought God favored his side.

Helped England navigate a period where it easily could have gone the way of the French Revolution or see the real religious fanatics take over. If his son was not so incompetent/he lived another 20 years we would have seen an entirely new political system formed that was a fusion of monarchism and a strong presidential republic.

The man hated Catholics and he hated Traitors, the Irish were both so they got both barrels (and even got hit with a plague to boot). Broke the Irish Spirit so hard it took over 300 years to recover.

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Beautiful painting.

>You have no fucking home of your own, do you British?
How'd you come to that conclusion? What do you even mean by that?

>I think genocidal dictator fits the bill perfectly

Not really effectivly sparred the Scots and English Catholics and really only stepped in when it became clear the Parliament could not function.

Hes like a less ambitious but more heavy handed Napoleon politically.

Based

Cromwell was just a random MP who became fed up with the bullshit of Charles I, wasting money on asinine wars and so on. He was just an average guy - but one the battlefield he was something else. He and his loyal Puritan troops never lost a single battle.

>yfw Australians try to discuss British or Irish history

Still preferable to the plastic paddies of the US

Created the best army in the world.
Crushed the Royalists.
Crushed the Irish.
Crushed the Scottish Covenanters.
All good.

Let the Jews back in.
Went a bit mad as Lord Protector.
Bad.

When people discuss their own history, you mean?

He dissolved the runt parliament or whatever.

There bones sure are

kek

Jewish puppet. Let jews in for their funding and gave families like the Rothschilds the power they needed to cement control over the British Empire. British Empire was basically created to put money in the pockets of Cromwells merchants. Only country with nearly as much jewish influence were the Dutch protestants who were the first European country to adopt paper money and crashed the American economy so that America would also use paper money.

Cromwell wanted to destroy the monarchy, his head should have been left on that spike where its belongs.

No, he didn't. That is a myth. He agreed in principle but the scriveners and goldsmiths of the City of London overruled him. They were fiercely protective of their power and were the real power behind Cromwell and, later, Monk. Dutch jews came in with William III.

>monarchy
>good

nope

Considering what kind of disgusting war mongering catholic loving dictator who was well on the way of running state into bancrupcy The King was can you blame him?

>Fascism
>bad
You're an American

Yes. I mean, only if you want good government, not a (((media))) run plutocracy.

Cromwell let jews into England as long as they didn't practice their religion

He let the Jews back into England, he was a traitor twice over.

Monarchy =/= fascism. Mosley praised Cromwell as the first fascist.

I'd rather the military and church working hand in hand to prevent degeneracy.

>I'd rather the military and church working hand in hand to prevent degeneracy.
Which works best with a monarchy, and a light touch. Repression only breeds contempt.

If the Commonwealth had continued, the colonies would most probably had been populated by catholics instead of puritans in the first place

It really doesn't when most decadence comes from monarchs thinking they're above God. See the Stuarts, the Bourbons, the Romanovs.

>Created the first true modern army
I heard those were the Assyrians desu

>See the Stuarts
They weren't that bad.
But anyway, there will always been bad data points. Doesn't warrant ditching the whole system for it. Especially one so ideal otherwise.